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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>oavada wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>not possible...different videos and eyewitness reports validate the fact that the planes hit...its simply not possible so many different videos could be forged...thats taking it too far i think lol</p></blockquote></div><p>you&#039;re right</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Whatever it was or wasn&#039;t it was tactical misdirection for certain. And a massive ritual sacrifice using the three buildings as the three masonic pillars. Than to call it ground zero like we are going back to zero? So much double speak in everything they say as usual.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>From what I remember hearing it wasn&#039;t that the planes themselves were faked, there were planes, but it is the plane itself that was faked, what I mean is that instead of it appearing to be a military plane on CNN like it was as you can see in some personal videos, it instead appeared to be a passenger plane.</p><p>Another thing is that if you watch Loose change 2nd edition final cut there is a part somewhere in the middle that explains how 1 or 2 of the planes later landed at an airport that had been evacuated, the passengers were taken off of the plane into an evacuated building near the landing strip and no one knows what happened to them after that. I have not looked into this anymore than what was on the loose change video.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Agree Captain,&nbsp; NUKE stuff also creates EMP shock wave that do blackout and damage electronic <br />equipment, thermite for sure...</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m an engineer, and it is highly unlikely what you see in WTC collapse footage is a H-Bomb.&nbsp; Nuclear weapons leave radioactive traces, even a pure H-bomb would neutron irradiate enough materials to create radioactive byproducts, that would have been detected all over New York City.&nbsp; As far as the use of 4th density technology to bring this down, I don&#039;t see much point in looking into this when the demolitions can be done with convensional methods.&nbsp; Not saying it didn&#039;t happen, but when a proffessor at BYU says he&#039;s found thermite residue on steel samples, and there is pyroclastic flow seen in the footage is&nbsp; a charectoristic of controlled demolition, why throw in concepts that are so far out there they bring an extra layer of heavy cocepts for those already incredulous of 911 conspircacy claims.&nbsp; </p><p>I talked to a structural engineer a couple of days ago who had once shown me a structural computer analysis of a building in Los Angeles.&nbsp; The model showed the reactoin of the building to an eartquake to be used as evidence in a lawsuit.&nbsp; The video was used to prove that the building did suffer structural damage in the quake, and that their insurance company was liable to pay for the damages to the building.&nbsp; I asked my friend if it was possible to run a simliar structural model of the WTC towers.&nbsp; He said not only could it be done, but it could be done fairly simply on a large computer.&nbsp; Regardless of this fact no such computer analysis was done to match the collapse technique of the towers to the failure methods that FEMA, NIST, and the Society of Civil Engineers claim caused the buildings to collapse.&nbsp; The method they used was to suggest that certain structural linchpins could easily have failed under the heat generated by jet fuel, causing a catostrophic collapse.&nbsp; &nbsp;The investigation ended there.&nbsp; I will make an analogy to this conclusion.&nbsp; Say your friend was murdered coming home from a bar.&nbsp; An investigation found that a certian person who happened to be on the street that night could have been the killer, and that man is then convicted of the murder, with no trail, no conclusive evidence, simply on an unproven claim.&nbsp; </p><p>Lastly I have seen a video of that Janitor that was heralded as hero, and was the last man out of the WTC alive.&nbsp; He claims that there were massive explosions in the basement of the building before the plane hit.&nbsp; On the video &quot;Loose Change 2&quot; there is an audio recording, taken during an office meeting at the time of the attacks, of two explosions, the first from an unknown source, the second explosion being the Plane striking the tower.&nbsp; Now the WTC structure was so robust that you could destroy the central column at the base, and the structural integrity of the outer supports would support the rest of the building.&nbsp; To put it simply you need to cause massive destruction to multiple structural locations on the towers, or the tops of the buildigns would have just fallen off rather then coming down straight through the buildings.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#039;t consider this possibility of scalar waves or other exotic destruction devices except H-bomb theory. </p><p>What is clear in 911truthers movement is that the whole truth has NOT been found yet. People must not stop doing independent research just because many movies are already available, each one confirming the info delivered by the other. What if the 911 movies were merely parroting each other on certain &#039;not so sure nor proven&#039; questions, making them seem as if they had already been solved (thus stopping the quest for truth of many researchers, stuck in false and deluded conclusions). It is a possibility that must be coinsidered. I hope the disinfo that the 911 truth movement disseminates is not that disruptive to our quest for truth... SOTT and LKJ got some good insights, but, speaking frankly, I think they are stuck in a &#039;Palestine-Israel conflict&#039; mindframe. Controversy of Zion is good but far from exhaustive, naturally. Montalk&#039;s questions should motivate further questionning. I&#039;ll meditate on this.</p><p>--<br />Here&#039;s another forum exchange I found interesting:<br />&nbsp; <a href="http://www.911eyewitness.com/truth/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&amp;file=viewtopic&amp;t=55">http://www.911eyewitness.com/truth/inde … c&amp;t=55</a></p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The truth may be stranger than most realize. Mainstream sources laugh off 9/11 conspiracy theories, but I bet that even the most hardcore 9/11 researchers would laugh off as science fiction the <em>real</em> truth about what happened to those planes and buildings. What forces were responsible? Just neocon/zionist forces and their rogue military operatives? How about secret government factions in possession of fourth density technology?</p><p>I mean, not many conspiracy researchers even consider the possible use of scalar weaponry in all of this. For instance, John Hutchison <a href="http://www.blazelabs.com/f-p-hutch.asp">demonstrated jellifying metals</a> at room temperature using exotic electromagnetic fields - what might a sophisticated controlled version of that do to the integrity of the steel pillars? Questions like these are far out but should considered just in case.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Matt Mariott is disinfo artist, but he got some points right on the money:</p><p>&quot;Why WTC 7 was in script - Terror agenda and ammunition for the Web of Disinformation</p><p>Terror agenda: the eyewitnesses on 9/11; the rest later.</p><p>In the 9/11 script for the general audience, the Pentagon, was the first chapter of the terror agenda, by letting them see without any doubts that it was an inside job.</p><p>But for a small audience, it was WTC7 that was planned as the first chapter in the &quot;terrorize the sheeple&quot; agenda. That audience was the eyewitnesses of the mass slaughter in Lower Manhattan. That&#039;s why the footage of the WTC7 demolition was first kept away from the public by the Web of Disinformation.</p><p>Disinformation: Cover-up of mini-nukes and who did it -&nbsp; Destruction of Israel agenda</p><p>But there are two other reasons related to diversion, i.e. the use of the web of disinformation,&nbsp; to pull WTC7 the classic way - see video &quot;Controlled Demolition Expert and WTC7&quot;.</p><p>The KEY reason is to help cover-up the core cover-up, i.e. that a H-bomb was used to pull both WTC towers.<br />The underlying mind control techniques are suggestion and dissociation:<br />- suggestion: the comparison between a classic demolition, with the visible explosion at the bottom, with what people saw before, the WTC towers with visible explosions at the top, suggests that &quot;planes&quot; caused the WTC collapse, since there was no plane involved in WTC7.<br />- dissociation: the web of disinformation soon started using massively WTC7, since the opposite images of WTC7 (classic demolition) vs. the WTC towers (unprecedented demolition) would prevent people from adding 1&nbsp; + 1, i.e. that in both cases it was a demolition.</p><p>WTC7 was first used as part of the distraction agenda about who did it (&quot;the dancing Israelis did it&quot;) and the &quot;destruction of Israel&quot; agenda (&quot;Jews are evil&quot;), by using the illuminati agent Larry Silverstein, playing the &quot;evil Jew&quot;, divert from the basic cover-up (inside job) and suggesting 9/11 was about real estate, i.e. diverting from the goal of the 9/11 operation:<br />- collect cannon fodder for the ground operations of the Third World War;<br />- terrorize the sheep so that they keep quiet until they are slaughtered in the final showdown of the Third World War.&quot;</p><br /><p>--</p><p><a href="http://glory-of-the-olive.blogspot.com/">http://glory-of-the-olive.blogspot.com/</a></p><p>Glory Of the Olive, the illuminati code for the destruction of Israel and Catholic Church<br />Three types of illuminati agents are working overtime to complete the destruction of Israel agenda: the Vatican; the iranian leadership; and the most important of them all, the Israeli leaders. Because the most efficient agents are always the traitors, acting from within. Explained COMPLETELY FIRST long agoand so far ONLY by the same prophet who decoded the illuminati code for the &quot;Panzer Kardinal&quot; Natzinger, the day before the illuminati &quot;elected&quot; him. <br />Tuesday, September 26, 2006<br />&nbsp; <br />Destruction of Israel - &#039;Glory of the Olive&#039; agenda explained worldwide first and so far only by Matt Marriott<br />&quot;Destruction of Israel&quot; agenda - Main Illuminati agents</p><p>Three types of illuminati agents working overtime to complete the destruction of Israel agenda:<br />- the people in control of the Vatican;<br />- the iranian leadership - they follow the Illuminati agenda, not the agenda of true muslims, which happens to be the same, in this case;<br />- and the most important of all, the Israeli leadership. Because the most efficient agents are always the traitors, acting from within.</p><p>&quot;Glory of the Olive&quot; Keys decoded - Another proof of End Times Reductionism</p><p>Key Facts concerning the Destruction of Israel explained worldwide COMPLETELY FIRST and so far (September 2006) only by Matt Marriott, the Illuminati End Times Prophet:</p><p>1. The illuminati agenda &quot;Destruction of Israel&quot;, now a top priority, code name &quot;Glory of the Olive&quot;. Note: that is ALSO the illuminati code for completing the destruction of the catholic church.</p><p>2. Iranian leaders are illuminati agents, not true muslims.</p><p>3. Israeli leaders are illuminati agents. This means (see fact #1) that their goal is the destruction of Israel.</p><p>The same prophet who decoded the illuminati code for the &quot;Panzer Kardinal&quot; Natzinger, the day before they &quot;elected&quot; him. The first and so far only one to expose the FULL script of 9/11.</p><p>-- <br />Solana makes peace with Mahdi in Teheran: The illuminati script for 6 June 2006 (06/06/06)<br />6 June 2006 - Bush &amp; Solana offer Iran nuclear technology, as predicted by Prophet</p><p>AP, June 6, 2006 - A package of incentives presented Tuesday to Iran includes a provision for the United States to supply Tehran with some nuclear technology....</p><p>The offer was part of a series of rewards offered to Tehran by European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana, according to the diplomats, who were familiar with the proposals and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were disclosing confidential details of the offer.<br />...</p><p>NYT, June 6, 2006 - European diplomats and a senior Bush administration official said the offer was going to include a commitment to support Iran&#039;s plan for a nuclear energy program for civilian use; this was to include building light-water reactors...</p><p>The most compelling item, though, may be the American offer announced last week to end its nearly three-decade policy against direct talks with Iran and to join in the negotiations over Iran&#039;s nuclear program. Washington has also offered to waive trade sanctions against Iran to allow the purchase of American agricultural appliances and the sale of Boeing aircraft parts, along with aircraft and parts from Airbus, according to government officials.</p><p>The United States and Europe also agreed to back Iran&#039;s membership in the World Trade Organization.</p><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/06/world/middleeast/06cnd-iran.html?_r=1&amp;hp&amp;ei=5094">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/06/world … mp;ei=5094</a></p><p>--- Explained long ago by Illuminati End Times Prophet:</p><p>Iranian leadership totally under illuminati control<br /><a href="http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=25387">http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/show … hp?t=25387</a></p><p>It&#039;s Official - NATO will let Iran get the atomic bomb and nuclear weapons -BREAKING... NOT<br /><a href="http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/t37040-its-official-nato-will-let-iran-get-the-atomic-bomb-nuclear-weapons-breaking-not.html">http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/t370 … g-not.html</a></p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The bombs in the WTC.<br /><a href="http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/military.htm">www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/military.htm</a><br /><a href="http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/soldier2.htm">www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/soldier2.htm</a></p><br /><p>---<br />911 eyewitness - Intense heat and bright flashes indicatenuclear explosions<br /><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4731051210315608217">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 0315608217</a><br />----</p><p>The Development of Bomb Technology Related to the 9/11 Operation<br />These outlines of developments in military bomb technology have been written to give the layman some idea, why bomb technology has developed into what it is. </p><p>A hollow charge made possible a small charge to make a hole in armour plate was invented in Switzerland in 1937. A cutting charge, used in the WTC in tens of thousands of pieces, was an evolunary model of the principles of a hollow charge from 1950&#039;s. </p><p>A Claymore threw steel balls towards the enemy, but was otherwise harmless even from 5 meters distance, was developed in the USA approximately in 1960. </p><p>A flank mine is able to direct a narrow pressure wave through AFV flanks from a distance of 20 meters and was more developed in Finland around 1970. Due to efficiency causes, growing part of military explosives deploy improvements utilizing directed explosion energy. </p><p>By controlling several layers of the explosion fronts the size of a nuclear bomb has been minimized during the 1960&#039;s (fission – implosion). After that, the control of explosion force in nuclear explosions was developed. Too strong an explosion is sometimes unusable, for example when the enemy have broken too close to friendly cities. </p><p>While looking for a bomb with a small size and a strong effect, a pure hydrogen bomb was an obvious solution. When no atomic device is needed for igniting, the size of the hydrogen bomb gets even smaller and the yield (effect) can be set within a wide range, for example between from 1 to 100. This succeeded in the 1980&#039;s, as well as the neutron bomb, which kills only living things and leaves most material untouched. </p><p>The former Soviet Union is said to have had more than 500 command centers durable for a small nuke. That led into the developing of different types of bunker busters. A working solution is a nuclear missile that directs 96% of its yield into a thin, all penetrating heat+blast wave forward, tunneling hundreds of meters downwards into solid rock. This type of a hydrogen bomb was developed somewhere in the early 1990&#039;s. Nowadays, both the yield and the direction of the destructive force of a small tactical hydrogen bomb can be somewhat controlled. The amount of fusion-able materials control the yield (effect) and the shape of the charge as well as the initiation arrangements impress the direction of the explosion wave.</p><br /><p>----</p><p>Observations Suggesting the Use of Small Hydrogen Bombs<br /><a href="http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/soldier4.htm">http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/soldier4.htm</a><br />1) The concrete pulverized into fine dust, 70…300 micron particles (just this could take more energy than the total gravitational energy available). See Gehue plates 6 and 7</p><p>2) Very energetic – hot – dust after the explosions. (Demolition charges would produce white clouds of dust, which would not move much, and a gravity-driven collapse would produce much less and more coarse dust.) </p><p>3) Brown shades of color seen in the air – these are produced by nuclear reactions of a thermonuclear device. The reactions use (gamma radiation caused by free neutrons, N2, O2, H2O &gt; nitrid acid, NO2, NO3). These clouds soon get their usual white color after some minutes as the heat and fast movement of the clouds cease becoming ordinary clouds with some water. </p><p>Note: many of the pictures taken regarding the WTC Towers and the clouds seem to have been developed too blue, killing shades of brown. (This may have been an attempt to suppress the evidence.) Also there was supposed to be 200 000+ gallons of water on the roof of each tower – this water was spilled into stairwells etc, but was later all converted into water vapour reducing the brown color. </p><p>4) Superheated steel objects, disintegrating into steel vapour. Molten ponds of steel were found in the elevator shafts. There were lots of burned cars in the parking areas of the towers. The fire department did not announce until 12/19/2001 that the fires under the WTC rubble have been distinguished (more than 3 months after the incident). For more, see (Gehue plate 8)</p><p> location F C name <br />A 1341 727 WTC7 <br />B 1034 557 WTC7 <br />C 1161 627 WTC1 <br />D 963 517 WTC1 <br />E 819 437 WTC3 <br />F 801 427 WTC2 <br />G 1377 747 WTC2 <br />H 1017 547 WTC4 </p><br /><p>The thermal survey of the WTC 9/16/2001 (NASA /US Geological Survey). Despite of fire department having cooled the rubble, aluminium would still be melting in some sites 5 days after the incident. </p><p>5) Elevated values of tritium in this area, but not elsewhere in New York. The University of California found elevated values on 9/13/2001 and 9/21/2001 within bounds of the WTC. They found them harmless for health. In pure hydrogen bomb isotopes of hydrogen are fused (D + T &gt; n + a + 17.6 MeV). </p><p>6) An EMP-type phenomenon blacked out cellular phones at the moment when the first (southern) tower started to &#039;fall down&#039;, at the exact moment when a small thermonuclear bomb was detonated. Even in electronic cameras and videos a strange afterglow was seen in the late phase of the &#039;collapse&#039; of both of the towers. See Gehue plate 5</p><p>7) A wave of pressure was witnessed in the root of the tower at the moment when the so-called collapse was progressing just about two hundred meters and nothing had fallen down to earth. The blast wave turned over for example a photographer and a fireman close to the entrance, who was taking photos of the dust cloud. The burst of the dust cloud on the root of the tower was photographed as well. In the image at the left below is what probably was the explosion of WTC 6. The Customs building was deliberately exploded for some reason - it was not damaged because of the falling girders as they had not yet reached the roof of WTC 7 when the photo was taken. A couple of seconds later the clouds of the explosion were already partly above the roof of WTC 7, which was too energetical to be caused by usual blasting agents. This suggests it was the second hydrogen bomb in the WTC block. The first hydrogen bomb is discharging upwards (pulverized concrete) exactly in the picture, and the steel structures vaporized by the bomb are already falling down 100 meters (approx. 328 ft.) farther down. The mass of cloud, caused by vaporized steel, is seen in the center of the picture and even more clearly in the picture at the right. </p><p>&nbsp; </p><p>8) In the cellar, out of all the 47 ultra strong steel pillars, the steel was melted completely at the length of more than 20 meters (approx. 65 ft). Even cars were melted and burned in the cellar. The pillars were far too thick for thermite, which some have suggested. An explosion of a thermonuclear bomb explains the phenomenon well. </p><p>9) Steel columns and pillars were ejected in the surroundings of the building. In the beginning of the so-called collapse, exists no such energy exists that could throw steel pillars outwards from 60 to 175 meters (approx. from 170 to 574 ft.) from trunk. Not even cutting charges can do that. Instead, the blast wave from a nuclear bomb is capable to do that. </p><br /><br /><p>===</p><br /><p>View of a Military Expert: Why the Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed<br /><a href="http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/soldier5.htm">www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/soldier5.htm</a> (check site for pictures) <br />The airplanes did not a have true effect on the destruction of towers; they were needed to give an excuse for odd Orwellian wars at the same time when the USA is turned into a police nation, like the German Third Reich, to some extent. The towers took the impacts of crushing Boeing 767&#039;s. The towers were originally built to take impacts of Boeing 707&#039;s, which are approximately of the same size and was widely used in the 1970&#039;s. </p><p>Fires that kindled from the fuel in the planes were too shortlasting and weak to be able to severely damage the structure of the skyscrapers. Even in the extreme situation, the heat from a kerosene fire cannot threat the durability of a steel trunk. With the temperature of carbohydrate fires that reaches only 825°C (approx. 1517°F) steel weakens at 800°C (approx. 1470°F) and melts at 1585°C (approx. 2890°F). In the skyscrapers of the WTC the surroundings were not at all ideal as there were far too many steel columns and they led heat away from the burning area. WTC 1 burned for 102 minutes and WTC 2 for 56 minutes only. A fire burning much longer, from 10 to 20 hours, could slowly increase the burning temperature down to perhaps 1100°C (approx. 2010°F). Provided there is more substance to burn, such a fire will damage concrete and irons, but not severely heavy steel constructions. </p> <br /><br /><p>In mid-February in Madrid, the Windsor Tower (see above) burned for over 20 hours, which led to a fire stronger and hotter than that in the WTC, but even the collapses of the Windsor Tower caused by the very strong and long-enduring fire were minimal and limited to the upper floors. If either of the WTC tower had started to collapse because of fires the collapse would have been limited to only a few of the floors and then stopped. </p><p>The impossibility of a gravitational collapse is closer seen in other documents. A collapse would produce large pieces, and does not explain reports of fine dust from concrete, huge amounts of dust and pieces of steel ejected outwards.</p><p>Destruction of the towers by explosions is clear according to the photographs and reports of the eye witnesses. In the picture below, a range of cutting charges have just exploded in the down left sector and a typical white cloud is formed outwards from the wall. Down right, explosions are seen as well. Even a flame is seen. </p><br /><br /><p>In video tapes taken of the so-called collapses of the WTC, more explosions of these cutting charges can be seen. The explosions advance quickly, with a gap of a couple of floors, cutting the strong steel pillars in the outer wall. The explosions are timed so that it appears that the tower collapses occur in the same timing as in a gravitational collapse. The explosions are not completely synchronized in timing, probably a few charges are triggered by radio, and other charges explode out of the impulses of one of these charges (infrared, pressure wave). </p><p>More challenging problems to the demolition men, however, were the central cores of the buildings and the 47 steel pillars more robust than the ones on the outer rounds. The pillars of the central cores were made of steel even 100 + 100 mm thick, thicker than the side armours of a battle tank. Cutting those, even with explosives, is extremely difficult. One would need to surround the whole pillars, every single pillar on every floor intended to get blasted, with powerful cutting charges. These charges would have needed to be placed in such a way that the users of the skyscrapers could not notice these preparations. </p><p>As seen in the following pictures, the cores of the towers were not distracted by thousands of powerful cutting charges but by a modern thermonuclear explosive, a small hydrogen bomb. In the picture below, a hydrogen bomb explosion, the bomb having been placed in the cellar and directed to the core, has reached the roof of the tower and the upper parts of the outer walls. On its way up the waves of fire pressure partially penetrated about 100 floors of concrete and steel. Over ten million degrees of heat caused by a hydrogen bomb sublimised all water within the concrete in a moment. Water exploded extremely quickly into 1000-fold volume and totally pulverized the concrete. Even people and computers that were in the buildings disappeared turning into heat and light. That is why almost nothing of them was found in the ruins. </p><p>Burning radiation is absorbed in steel so quickly that steel heats up immediately over its melting point 1585°C (approx. 2890°F) and above its boiling point around 3000 C (approx. 5430°F). In the pictures down below, super hot groups of steel pillars and columns, torn from wall by pressure wave, are sublimized. They immediately turn into a vaporized form, binding heat as quickly as possible. Bursts upwards, even visible in the picture below, are not possible for a gravitational collapse or for cutting charges which are used horizontally. </p><br /><br /><br /><p>Storax Sedan 104 Kt shallow underground </p><p>In the upper picture the explosion is in theory 100 times stronger than in the picture below, but in practice the difference is only four times due to the capability of direction of the small hydrogen bomb. </p> <br /><br /> <br /><br /><p>In the picture at the right, the brown shades caused by a hydrogen bomb are seen, while the top of the tower that is already collapsing is breaking down and the posture straightens up as the hydrogen bomb pulverized the core and it lost all its resistance. The piles point the blasts of the cutting charges. (Gehue plate 12) </p><br /><br /> <br /><br /><p> Steel pillars are turned into dust. <br />Extremely hot, sublimating pieces are not created with many methods.</p><br /><p>For comparison, pictures of subterranean nuclear explosions where the explosion is blasting onto surface and into the air: </p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;Ess1.2 Kt</p><br /><p>&nbsp; <br />WTC 2<br /> Banberry 10 Kt underground</p><br /><p>Radioactivity in air creates shades of brown. (The subterranean nuke in the picture on the right is 10 times stronger than the small nuke on the left.) This is the reason why the FBI did not search the crime scene. Ground zeros of nuclear weapons are a health risk and belong to the FEMA.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Writings of a Finnish military expert</p> <br /><br /><p>The 9/11 Operation: A Summary</p><p>The 9/11 operation consisted of at least the following:</p><p>Military exercises by the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) with 22 imaginarily hijacked planes on 9/11/2001, before and simultaneously with the &#039;real&#039; hijackings. Some of the defense interceptors flew to Alaska, as far as possible from the cities that were being attacked.</p><p>The &#039;hijackings&#039; of four civil aircraft and the substitution of all of the planes that really were used on the real flights to remote-controlled ones. It is certain that an operation this complex and heavy in the preparations of the demolitions is not left to be handled by arabs with carpeting knives. Plissken-Valentine or Pearl are well-assumed estimations on how the aircraft operation was performed. Since the part of airplanes hijacked and flown into buildings was critical to the real aims of the operation there must have been a couple of reserve planes for the USAF Boeing 767&#039;s and the Global Hawk. Alternatively, the Boeing 757 shot down in Pennsylvania might have been a remote- controlled reserve plane like those.</p><p>The booking of seats on certain flights was artificially kept low; those coast-to-coast flights were booked by 20% instead of the usual 75% in order to minimize deaths, which could cause problems. If the flights were real, the passengers on them had to die (or at least disappear). Two of the flights were probably nothing but fictious, real only on radar screens, which minimized the amount of passengers to be murdered.</p><p>There was use of put options with airline stocks and with the re-assurance companies related (American Airlines, United Airlines, Allianz, Munchener Re, Schweizer Re, AXA…). Furthermore, the assurance values of the WTC were doubled in July 2001.</p><p>The camouflaging of six remote-controlled aircraft in order to make them look like Boeing 767&#039;s or 757&#039;s. The four planes probably were 2x USAF 767 tankers, a Global Hawk in Pentagon and a &#039;real&#039; 757 in Pennsylvania.</p><p>False tracks leading to &#039;terrorists&#039; using young moslem looking persons, who take aviation classes in Southern USA and party at night clubs, were created.</p><p>The demolition preparations of the wing of the Pentagon that was under reparation. This was supposed to collapse a horseshoe-shaped area of the building, which would seem to be caused by the crash of a Boeing 757 after the Global Hawk attack. This partly failed. There is photographic evidence of a small plane before the actual collapse of the wing of the Pentagon. The structures did not collapse until firefighters sprayed lots of water on the ceiling of the building.</p><p>The demolition preparations of the WTC towers and WTC 7 so that it was possible to make them collapse completely. Also the positioning of an electronic homing device in the towers and in Pentagon in order to ensure the accurate hits of the remote-controlled aircraft. Extra napalm for dramatizing the effects of hits of airliners. The WTC buildings could have been exploded down to earth in same way even completely without the airplanes.</p><p>Ordering, preparing and transportation of the charges for the demolition of the WTC. Solely for the steel pillars of the outer circle 40 x 240 charges were needed, let&#039;s say 10 000 cutting charges each weighing 50 lbs for each tower. For WTC 7 at least 4000 charges were needed. Also at least one small thermonuclear bomb for each of these three buildings.</p><p>The locating of critical targets for the conspiracy in the WTC towers. For example, there was a lot of evidence of world-wide economic crimes. The FBI was in WTC 1 in the floors from 22 to 24. (It has been said that one case was the case against Mobil Oil and James Giffen on illegal oil swaps between Iran and Kazakhstan and the evidence in the investigation of gold price fixing stemming from charges brought against Alan Greenspan, Morgan &amp; Company, Goldman Sachs.) It is possible that some targets were attacked because of the unique opportunity exploitable where the human bodies and all evidence of the crimes automatically disappeared when a hydrogen bomb exploded. Explosions heard from the towers before the commencing of the &#039;collapse&#039; may have been related to these attacks. There is a reason for the huge explosion in the customs building, as well.</p><br /><p>THE DEMOLITION OPERATION OF THE WTC TOWERS</p><p>1) One needs to find out the right size and the dimensions of suitable cutting charges and then order 24 000 pieces. One must as well order fitting detonators (detonators were needed a lot more). Fitting detonators usually already exist in stores of military forces (or the CIA). Time of delivery is several months in any case. All detonators must be equipped with some kind of safety mechanism, which will be removed by a radio signal at the final moment.</p><p>2) After this, the cutting charges are installed in the selected rooms that are not in use. Some of these rooms may as well serve as temporary storages for charges needed elsewhere. After this the apartment is renovated and circulated to the clients in the WTC. One man continuously assembles maybe 5 cutting charges per hour. With 10 assemblers 350 charges are installed a day. As surplus transportations of supplies, renovators and guards. Maybe about 20 people more were needed (5 of them know what is going on, 15 do not). For the installation of the charges this operation takes at least four months with 30 men. Considering step 1), six months are probably needed. The amount of personnel could not have been increased, but probably decreased, if more time was available.</p><p>3) To some of the chosen apartments, no one had access. That is why on the weekend on 9/8/2001 and 9/9/2001 it is announced, that floors up from the 40th floor are being equipped with cables and no normal employee has access to the working area there. The installations of explosives are completed and at the same time at least in the charged areas listening devices are set to find out a possible premature discovery of the plan. If someone finds charges the guards are soon on the scene and will deal the situation in one way or another.</p><p>4) One completes the area of secret service in WTC 7 so that its demolition operation can be carried out. A military flight beacon is placed there (planes are homing to it from far away). Remote controls for air planes and radio transmitters to be capable of blowing up at least one third of the cutting charges are placed. At this location, the ability to eavesdrop any area of the WTC, for example by a laserbeam, aimed to a selected window, probably already existed.</p><p>5) A radio beacon helping the final approach is placed in targeted apartments in the WTC towers. Close to these, remote controlled napalm explosives are placed as well, in order to draw the interest from the planes to fires. The higher in the towers the planes are targeted, the less there will be deaths. (Real terrorists would do exactly the opposite.) Evacuation from lower floors should be possible through the staircases. The target is to create a new reason for odd wars and fascistic laws, not to kill as many Americans as possible. &#039;A new Pearl Harbor&#039;, meaning the death of about 3000 citizens is probably the desired loss of lives.</p><p>6) The attack plans are made so that they can be executed during the chaos, for example in the offices of the investigations of the economic crimes by the FBI. (The attackers had already their own men infiltrated in these facilities.) Also in WTC 6 (customs) either a small nuke or a very strong bomb is blown out (which one, depends on whether there was melted steel ponds in the cellar of WTC 6.) An explosion, of course, hides the loss of any supplies (A nuclear explosion covers up murders, as well.)</p><p>7) In the morning of 9/11 the operations are performed after a timetable in which seconds are important. From the command post facilities the actions in towers are monitored. To hide the true nature of the operation, there was probably an agent on call in both towers, who could silence the people finding out too much. (The agent probably did not know what was going to happen.)</p><p>It is not likely that all the people, who knew about the demolition charges in the WTC, or those who installed the remote controls of the aircraft or did some camouflage paintings for drones are still are alive and capable of telling about their acts, which changed the world.</p><p>8) The mini-nukes are transported to the cellar floors in elevators. After that the elevators are locked down, guarded and monitored - no service repairman will be allowed near these elevators. The thermonuclear device used in WTC 7 was different, its yield was set lower and it was directed in a way better suitable for that building.</p><p>9) The explosions have been timed so that 99.9% of people around will look at the top of towers, and perhaps two seconds later the small thermonuclear bomb is exploded in the cellar of the south tower, and again two seconds later another very powerful charge in the WTC 6 customs building while nobody is looking that way. There are also the continuous explosions of the thousands of cutting charges tearing the south tower down at the speed of gravity-driven free fall.</p><p>10) The demolition of either of the WTC towers took at least half a year to prepare, including installation of 10 000 cutting charges and the delivery of a thermonuclear device at the last moment. The demolition of those ultra strong steel pillars in the central core using cutting charges only is not possible without waking up unwanted attention. These charges must be in touch of the steel pillars, and there is not enough enclosed space in the central core to hide these biggest possible charges.</p><p>11) The demolition operation is finished by destroying WTC 7 using a nuke and completely destroying the op center with its equipment. Concrete evidence like the military flight beacon and the remote control devices for cutting charges and napalm as well as the recordings of eavesdropping devices regarding events within the towers vapourize and vanish without a trace.</p><br /><br /><p>SIDE MARKINGS</p><p>Most of the media is controlled by people related to the attack and tell misleading stories only, as if crushing of the airliners or a weak fire could have caused the &#039;collapse&#039; of the towers. The true attackers are the ones with strong and vigorous broadcasting around their false version of the events which is very different to what really happened.</p><p>Until these days, no single newspaper, magazine nor a national tv channel in the western nations have taken a critical view on the so-called truth, according to which the planes and fires caused the WTC towers to collapse. The destruction of WTC 7, which has no explanation at all, is bypassed without any comments. A huge bomb, explosed in WTC 6 is also bypassed as a non-existing event.</p><p>Some things, like the sharply-drawn pictures of the closest seismographs may have been falsified. A Specialist in demolitions, V. Romero, may have been forced to change his original statement. The hoax is completed by Osama Bin Laden, who as a CIA agent &#039;confesses&#039; to have ordered the airliner strikes. The Bin Laden hoax and the suicidal arabs construct a net of lies that catches the most of the mankind.</p><p>Laymen have no experience in observing differences in collapses, controlled demolitions and underground nuclear demolitions. Even the destruction of heavy steel constructions or a typical fire damage are far away from their field of experience. These towers were build to take the impacts of hitting Boeing 707&#039;s, comparable to Boeing 767&#039;s, taking into account the fires caused by the aviation fuel. And the buildings did survive well all that.</p><p>The knowledge of relevant advances regarding weapon technology is even rarer. Many of those who are up to date are bound by strict commitment of loyality – that is vigorously looked after. In some cases, they get executed (an &#039;accident&#039; occurs).</p><p>The author of this text feels as his duty to spread mainly the advanced knowledge in explosives from a military point of view in public discussion as it is obvious that lacking this information the events observed around 9/11 cannot be explained.</p><p>The photographs attached in this non-profit distribution are for securing volatile, important evidence on 9/11 for discussion and education. Author hereby grants full permission to reproduce the drawing &#039;The Bombs in the WTC&#039; and his writings. You are encouraged to mail, publish and mass produce these documents or your enhanced versions of them.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Evidence of advanced fusion devices at the WTC: </p><p>1. Pulverization of 99% of concrete into ultra fine dust as recorded by official studies. Concrete dust was created instantly throughout the towers when the fusion device million degree heat rapidly expanded water vapour 1000-fold in the concrete floors. </p><p>2. Superheated steels ablating (vaporizing continuously as they fall) as seen in video clips of the towers collapsing. This requires uniform temperatures roughly twice that of thermite. Conventional demolition or explosive charges (thermate, rdx, hdx etc.) cannot transfer heath so rapidly that the steel goes above it&#039;s boiling temperature. </p><p>3. 22 ton outer wall steel sections ejected 200 meters into the winter garden. Cutting charges cannot eject heavy steels and throwing charges cannot provide the energy required without heavy, solid surface mounts. </p><p>4. 330 ton section of outer wall columns ripping off side of tower. Cutting charges cannot eject heavy steels linked together and throwing charges cannot provide the energy required without very heavy, solid surfaces to mount those charges. </p><p>5. Molten ponds of steel at the bottom of elevator shafts (WTC1, WTC2, WTC7). Massive heath loads have been present at the lower parts of these high-rise buildings. As one of the witnesses after seeing the flow of metals declared: &quot;no one will be found alive&quot;. </p><p>6. The spire behaviour (stands for 20-30 seconds, evaporates and goes down, steel dust remains in the air where the spire was). The spire did not stand because it lost its durability when the joints vaporized. </p><p>7. Sharp spikes in seismograph readings (Richter 2.1 and 2.3) occurred at the beginning of collapse for both towers. Short duration and high power indicate an explosive event. </p><p>8. A press weighting 50 tons disappeared from a basement floor of Twin Towers and was never recovered from debris. Not possible with collapses or controlled demolitions. The press was vaporized or melted totally. </p><p>9. Bone dust cloud around the WTC. This was found not until spring 2006 from the Deutsche Bank building. (In excess of 700 human remains found on the roof and from air vents). See <a href="http://www.911citizenswatch.org/print.php?sid=906">http://www.911citizenswatch.org/print.php?sid=906</a> </p><p>10. Fires took 100 days to extinguish despite continuous spraying of water. Thermate would burn out totally and then cool down much faster, just in a few days. This long cooling time means the total heath load being absorbed into the steels of the WTC was massive, far in excess anything found in collapses or typical controlled demolitions. </p><p>11. Brown shades of color in the air due nuclear radiation forming NO2, NO3 and nitric acid. TV and documentary footage changed the color balance to blue to disguise this fact indicating complicity in the coverup. </p><p>12. Elevated Tritium values measured in the WTC area but not elsewhere in New York. Official studies stated that 8 EXIT signs from two commercial Boeing jets were responsible. The tritium in those EXIT signs is insufficient to explain the measurements (very little tritium is available for measuring after evaporation into air as hydrogen and as tritiated water vapour. This can provide conclusive proof of fusion devices and therefore US/Israeli military involvement. </p><p>13. Pyroclastic flow observed in the concrete-based clouds. Only found with volcanic eruptions and nuclear detonations. The explosion squibs cool down just a few milliseconds after the explosion or after having reached some 10 meters in the air. Pyroclastic flow will not mix with other clouds meaning very serious heath in those clouds not possible with the conventional demolition or explosive charges. The pyroclastic clouds were cooling down at the WTC but this process took some 30 seconds. See <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1381525012075538113">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 2075538113</a> </p><p>14. Huge expanding dust clouds 5 times the volume of the building indicating extreme levels of heat generated far in excess of traditional demolition explosives. </p><p>15. Rubble height was some 10% of the original instead of 33% expected in a traditional demolition. Fusion device removal of underground central steel framework allowed upper framework to fall into this empty space and reduce the rubble height. </p><p>16. No survivors found, except some firefighters in one corner pocket in the rubble who looked up to see blue sky above them instead of being crushed by collapsing debris. Upward fusion flashlight-like beam of destruction missed this pocket but removed debris above those lucky firemen. </p><p>17. 14 rescue dogs and some rescue workers died far too soon afterward to be attributed to asbestos or dust toxins (respiratory problems due to alpha and tritium particles created by fusion are far more toxic) </p><p>18. Record concentrations of near-atomic size metal particles found in dust studies due to ablated steel. Only possible with vaporized (boiling) steels. </p><p>19. Decontamination procedure used at Ground Zero (hi-pressure water spraying) for all steel removed from site. Water spraying contains fusion radioactivity. </p><p>20. No bodies, furniture or computers found in the rubble, but intact sheets of paper covered the streets with fine dust. Items with significant mass absorbed fusion energy (neutrons, x-rays) and were vaporized while paper did not. Paper and powder theory. </p><p>21. 200 000 gallon sprinkler water tanks on the roofs of WTC1 and WTC2, but no water in the ruins. Heat of fusion devices vaporized large reservoirs of water. </p><p>22. Reports of cars exploding around the WTC and many burned out wrecks could be seen that had not been hit by debris. Fusion energy (heath radiation and the neutrons) caused cars to ignite and burn far from WTC site. </p><p>23. Wide area electrical outage, repairs took over 3 months. Fusion devices cause EM pulse with Compton scattering. See German engineers help the USA plate 5. <a href="http://home.debitel.net/user/andreas.bunkahle/defaulte.htm">http://home.debitel.net/user/andreas.bu … faulte.htm</a> </p><p>24. EM pulse was recorded by broadcast cameras with high quality electronic circuitry. This occurred at the same time as the seismic peaks recorded by Lamont Doherty during the beginning of the collapse. This is due to the Compton Effect and resulted in a large area power outage at the WTC. </p><p>Source: <a href="http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/evidence.htm">http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/evidence.htm</a></p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Sure the planes don&#039;t have anything to do with the collapse. <br />but there&#039;s something I want to point out: notice how the demolition of WT7 is neat and clean. Now look at the big explosions that started the collapse of the WTC towers. (I&#039;m not talking about the explosions that blew when the planes hit the towers ; I&#039;m talking about the explosions immediately at the&nbsp; beginning of the collapse). Also you can notice on certain pictures smoke coming out of the first floor: What the?? Thermite byproduct?</p><p>There is another plausible theory: the H-bomb that pulverised the tops of the WTC when they collapsed. It doesn&#039;t imply that thermite wasn&#039;t used, it just points out to the fact that thermite cuts trough steel but couldn&#039;t cause the big explosions at the tops of the WTC towers (exploisions whih errily look like H-bomb in Hiroshima - not Nagasaki. you must make the difference between A- bomb (atom bomb) and H-Bomb, hydrogen bomb ; they&#039;re both nukes but an h-bomb is not atomic).</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Here&#039;s an article by Kaminski putting forward reasons why planes might not have hit the WTC.</p><p><a href="http://www.rudemacedon.ca/kaminski/04/0430-hologram.html">http://www.rudemacedon.ca/kaminski/04/0 … ogram.html</a></p><p>Bruce</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I remember John Kaminski saying pertinent and thought-provoking things about 9/11 but I can&#039;t remember where. You&#039;ll have to look.</p><p><a href="http://www.rudemacedon.ca/kaminski/kam-index.html">http://www.rudemacedon.ca/kaminski/kam-index.html</a></p><p>Bruce</p>]]></content>
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