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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Kerry schmerry.&nbsp; What a straw man fluke.&nbsp; </p><p>We need Colin Powell.<br />He had the balls and the integrity to stand up to the Neoscums.</p><p>And now we&#039;ve got that doberman pinscher attack dog for Secretary of State.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Tom Paine]]></name>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>&quot;He will be a knight in shining armour.&quot;&nbsp; Kerry,2006? <br />Reflection of a Whatifist:&nbsp; After watching Bill Maher and his interview with John Kerry and his other guests giving the French kissy, kissy to each other at the end of the show. I would guess,(if we assume that the Network and it&#039;s guests are&nbsp; bought and paid for by the NWO) that the new world will be covered in ketchup. <br />What if life is but an amalgamation of existence and it needs our help?<br />Ask not what existence can do for you, but what you can do for it.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Millenium]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-10-08T01:30:21Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Stephen M wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Admittedly, I want to like Chavez and tend to, but I&#039;m certainly open to hearing opposing views and info, especially truth.</p></blockquote></div><p>Beware of false prophets</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Chavez said U.N. headquarters should be moved from New York to an international city &quot;outside the sovereignty of any state,&quot; and noted that some have suggested Jerusalem.</p></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>We the people now claim- this is the case of Venezuela- a new international economic order. But it is also urgent a new international political order.</p></blockquote></div><p>Chavez at the UN in 2005 <a href="http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2005/09/chavez_says_un.html">http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archi … ys_un.html</a></p><p>Incidentally look at the logo at the above site that is promoting Chavez</p><br /><p>So, Chavez wants a new world order, Chavez wants the UN to move to Jerusalem exactly what the PTB want</p><p>David Ben Gurion 1962;<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>All armies will be abolished, and there will be no more wars. In Jerusalem, the United Nations (a truly United Nations) will build a shrine of the Prophets to serve the federated union of all continents; this will be the scene of the Supreme Court of Mankind</p></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>On February 17, 1950, James Paul Warburg confidently declared to the United States Senate: &quot;We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.&quot;</p></blockquote></div><p>There are 2 routes to a New World Order as shown by this quote, by Conquest (Bush style) or by consent (Chavez style} The end result is just the same, they are both working for the same masters. Anyone looking for a world leader to save us from Bush is sadly mistaken.</p><p>As for the Devil comment made by Chavez, its a good ruse to get popular support, but the &quot;Devil&quot; or Antichrist/Leader of the NWO, if/when he does appear will not appear as a fire breathing dragon (Bush), that would be just too obvious. He will be a knight in shining armour, a man of peace to decieve everyone.</p><p>Well I guess this will go down like a lead ballon, but thats my opinion on Chavez</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-10-07T11:38:28Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful Millenium, Beautiful.</p><p>The corporate jesus website is wonderful.</p><p>Thank you!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Tom Paine]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-09-25T21:00:36Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>From:&nbsp; <a href="http://corporatejesus.blogspot.com/">http://corporatejesus.blogspot.com/</a></p><p>&quot;Partial transciption of a presentation on effectively communicating messages to the American electorate given by Saint Karl the Most High and Holy to Operatives of the Yellow Elephant Greenback Brigade. Date not given.</p><br /><br /><p>A recent poll found that a full 85-90% of the American public believes in the existence of god. Over 60% of those believe there is a god watching over them that is going to reward them with eternal life when they die. Rational thought would tell us that this proposition is totally unprovable and ludicrous on its face, yet these people believe it and cling to it with a ferocity that could be described as maniacal. From the poorest classes all the way up to the moneyed elites, people with these beliefs are everywhere. They buy into the economic system that exploits the least powerful for the gain of the few on the premise that they will someday be able to stand on the backs of the poor too. They run the country and control the nation&#039;s purse strings. These people are primed to swallow lies, big lies, huge lies, more lies, and can be motivated easily by appealing to their emotions and bigotry in service of justifying these ideas.</p><br /><br /><p>The truth or actuality (actual reality), is so unappealing to this 60% that <br />they would much rather believe in a comforting lie and profess it true in the face of all evidence to the contrary. Truth is we all die. Truth is no one punishes the most evil among us after they die. Truth is the poor will not find comfort after they are dead. But these ideas are a call for justice in this life and they would force the lazy and ignorant masses to actually work to find a reason for being. Why would they do that? Americans only want what is easy. Don&#039;t make me think. Don&#039;t make me consider. Don&#039;t make me look at it. These people believe that by conforming to a certain brand of groupthink and surrendering their personal responsibility to an authority figure that floats somewhere up in the sky, they are made special, more special that others, more deserving to live than others. Its a pathetic and sad form of wish fulfillment which is actually a detriment to making this world a better place, but it is also a very powerful meme that can be manipulated and tapped for the purposes of winning elections.</p><br /><br /><p>Armed with these lies the target demographic will search for anything that can be used to justify these beliefs, no matter how flimsy or intellectually dishonest (see C.S. Lewis for a prime example of circular reasoning and intellectual dishonesty). To do otherwise would shatter their worldview. Either the ideas fit into the context of their beliefs or they fall by the wayside. The lengths they will go to validate their ideas are not all that surprising if you view religion historically. Torture, murder, slavery, these are the historical tools of religion, yet they profess that they worship love! It&#039;s really the height of farce. And it is a testament the power of the human mind to filter out that which doesn&#039;t justify strongly held irrational beliefs.</p><br /><br /><p>The demographic has been defined and fully taken advantage of by the modern christian televangelist movement. From mailers to the poorest neighborhoods promising Jesus will make folks rich if they just make an offering and believe hard enough, to faith healers that bilk funds from the suffering and sick, to the Foreign Intelligence operatives that use the movement as cover to help forment the global and hemispheric dominance of our economic system, to the denial of evolution and man made climate change, or even personal responsibility for their own obesity, the evidence is everywhere, the demographic is loyal, doesn&#039;t question, believes in the power and infallibility of an authority figure, and most of all, they want to be lead. Lead us, they will scream, not caring whether it is to the slaughterhouse or over a cliff, so long as it pleases the strong leader. There&#039;s a kind of latent homoerotic sadomasochistic flavor to the whole thing that begs to be taken advantage of. And the thing is they keep coming back for more.</p><br /><br /><p>Many of the current techniques are not new. All it takes is an authority figure, a strong abusive father type, even a typical name calling bully, and a loud, loud megaphone. Now repeat the message. Repeat again. Have someone else repeat it. Now write it down. It&#039;s almost true. Wait for the truthful arguments against it to surface. The response to sink the truth doesn&#039;t even need to be valid, just well disseminated, the target demographic will be searching for anything to back up the beliefs, remember these people have already wrapped up the meaning of their lives into the fabric of irrational beliefs. What is one more? Especially if it also makes them special by doing nothing except conforming to the group.</p><br /><br /><p>Let&#039;s look at torture for instance. The classic values expoused by the main religious text of the nation are supposedly about love and helping the poor or sick. In reality, christians love suffering, they worship suffering, but they don&#039;t even realize it. In fact they think it is love. God is love, but if you don&#039;t say the right magic words he&#039;s going to torture you with fire for all eternity after you die. There is a serious disconnect with reality and rationality, and this is what should be exploited. Torture is fine if its not done to a christian, because god is going to torture those other people after they die anyway. Torture is redemptive in their meta-narrative. To use the power of the human mind to decieve itself in justifying irrational beliefs, you must attach your message to those beliefs. And your message should be made to validate that worldview in order to be successfully recieved. The 30% that follow without question and vote, can&#039;t vote for a democrat in good conscience, don&#039;t even mention a third party. You see democrats make god angry, because they question the infallible leader and advocate homosexuality. But they must vote for the republican who steals money and wants to torture and kill people. It&#039;s what god wants. The best thing about it is that these people will die for us. Actually, they already do.</p><br /><br /><p>This October we&#039;ve got a big surpr***[for purposes of National Security the rest of the presentation is has been removed and categorized as Classified]</p><br /><br /><p>End of availible transcript.</p><br /><br /><p>Please continue to conduct all business as usual.&quot;</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Millenium]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-09-25T18:23:44Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Stephen M--thanks for the zmag article.</p><p>With CondomLizzie Rice and Rumpsmelled condemning Chavez, that means he<br />must be a good guy.&nbsp; And if Pat Robertson condemns him, he must be a saint.</p><p>The Republicans and the Democrats are two fingers of the same hand, or should<br />I say two talons from the same CLAW.&nbsp; Both parties are nothing but a <br />dog and pony show.</p><p>Astrologically speaking we&#039;re going to get a repeat of the influences which enabled<br />Latin America to overthrow Spaniard rule.&nbsp; Wonder who they&#039;ll kick out this time?<br />Ha!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Tom Paine]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-09-25T01:47:51Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Will democrats get out of their coma and verbally agree with and support Chavez, in order to make us believe that a democrat govt will be better? Chavez wants to create a new Bank of the South, what will the WBank say about this? Will the WB and the IMF let him do it? In a globalist-democrat ear, this is competition (to be killed), in a neocon-republican ear, this is a declaration of war (to be killed).</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-09-25T01:25:28Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Could&#039;nt get the translator to work properly on the blog pages and when I did the google search for &quot;Chavez and farc&quot; it came up with a lot of accusations from right wing sources but not a lot of facts. Admittedly, I want to like Chavez and tend to, but I&#039;m certainly open to hearing opposing views and info, especially truth. He is definitely playing within the system and as the system itself is corrupt, that alone adds an element of distrust as I&#039;ve always been disapointed&nbsp; each time I put my trust in a system player, so it would not surprise me too much to be disappointed with Chavez as well and perhaps he&#039;s but a lure to go down the same road of thinking there is hope and then getting trounced upon, then feeling totally foolish for taking the bait.</p><p>That being said, from what I&#039;ve come across so far, his deeds and words make him a pretty stand-up guy. I admire his courage and think he&#039;s done a lot to raise awareness about the very system he&#039;s performing his role in.</p><p>SM</p><p>-Here&#039;s an article/interview (from an addmitedly left-leaning source), if he is indeed true to his words, I&#039;ll keep filling up at CITGO&nbsp; at least.</p><p><a href="http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=45&amp;ItemID=11035">http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle … emID=11035</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Stephen M]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-09-25T01:14:58Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>What is happening in Latin America, Lula, Chaves, Fidel...<br /><a href="http://notalatina.blogspot.com/">http://notalatina.blogspot.com/</a></p><p>See this <a href="http://notalatina.blogspot.com/2005_07_03_notalatina_archive.html">http://notalatina.blogspot.com/2005_07_ … chive.html</a><br />It is +- what Lula is doing in Brazil...</p><p>To translate<br /><a href="http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn">http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn</a><br />or<br /><a href="http://www.worldlingo.com/en/websites/url_translator.html">http://www.worldlingo.com/en/websites/u … lator.html</a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-09-24T23:19:58Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Millenium wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I&quot;m pretty sure that in Bush&#039;s speech, he called Chavez &quot;a treehugger.&quot;</p></blockquote></div><p>HEYYYYY!</p><p>Actually, at this point, Im more worried about what the stupid pope said. Talk about stirring up a big pot of trouble.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-09-24T22:10:29Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Pinkrlyq wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>&quot;My God&#039;s gonna kick your God&#039;s ASS&quot;, and in small print, &quot;and then we&#039;ll split up the money and oil MY way&quot;.&nbsp; </p><p>*gets off her soapbox and runs away yelling, &quot;Beam me up, Scottie!&quot;*</p></blockquote></div><p>paradoxical truth:</p><p>truth = 1<br />not truth &lt;1</p><p>A,B = variables correlated to subconscious/conscious </p><p>Truth A + God A<br />----------------------&nbsp; =1<br />Truth B + (God B-1)</p><p>1+1=1</p><br /><br /><br /><p>Note: most of the world leaders are sociopaths. the upper 5% in societies lean towards sociopathy. <span style="color: blueviolet"> &quot;V&quot; </span> </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p><span style="color: blueviolet"> &quot;In this world of grand illusion and greed, the jerk rides high upon a Palomino steed, the pauper on the dream&quot;<br />~~carefulcarpenter </span></p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[titmouse_]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-09-24T22:00:27Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&quot;m pretty sure that in Bush&#039;s speech, he called Chavez &quot;a treehugger.&quot;</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Millenium]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-09-24T21:55:09Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Pictus, thank you for your perspective on Chavez. <br />It&#039;s unfortunate that in order for a person to get into power in their society and for<br />their voice to be heard, that they have to have the support of some of the unsavory<br />elements of that society.&nbsp; Just look at our (village idiot) for example.</p><p>And millenium, thank you for the text of Chavez&#039;s speech. </p><p>I was just glad to see Chavez call attention to the (drugstore) cowboy who thinks<br />he should run the world.&nbsp; It&#039;s a case of pointing out that the &quot;Emperor&quot; has no<br />clothes.&nbsp; Or like intervening on a family of alcoholics who are in denial about the<br />elephant living in their living room.</p><p>Too bad the only voices that are being heard are from bad guys.&nbsp; </p><p>If all this world drama is here for our entertainment, I think I&#039;ve already seen this<br />movie.&nbsp; And it sucks.<br />__________________________________________________________________</p><p>Bumper Sticker:&nbsp; &nbsp; LIES&nbsp; GREED&nbsp; HATE&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The Republican way</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Tom Paine]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-09-24T03:33:27Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>A pit of vipers I say!<br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.wachadoo.com/forum/files/lindquist_775.jpg" alt="http://www.wachadoo.com/forum/files/lindquist_775.jpg" /></span></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Bhang]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-09-23T00:21:54Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I am very well informed about the happenings here at my country.<br />Also know many people from bottom to high on the society, this came<br />from friendship and family ties.</p><p>If you want to get more info on that stuff just use google or yahoo<br />and search for the words&nbsp; <strong>hugo chavez FARC</strong> and may include<br /><strong>Lula PCC</strong>, do not limit the search for English language only.</p><p>Bush, Lula + Chavez sucks!<br />They are the same shit but on opposed sides...</p><p>Their side is not ours!!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-09-22T23:59:13Z</updated>
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