I like the hot stuff myself... naturally!

PS--I seem to have lost my NR map, where was Wasabi Lane again?

....but I had a rough day yesterday and some possible manipulation going on, which I intend to get to on the wasabi thread.

You too huh?

These mo-fos make Satan look like a Girl Scout Leader.

See ya on Wasabi Lane. :x

Sorry for being so overblown about the military issue/Vietnam, but I had a rough day yesterday and some possible manipulation going on, which I intend to get to on the wasabi thread. Unfortunately, there are so many things, from stores to after-school programs to you-name-it, which can be used to grab kids.

I definately think you're right about the manipulation of time thing.  It's what drives me nuts when I read or see books, articles, movies etc. which feature the traditional mainstream abduction scenarios:   Where people are abducted aboard a flying UFO craft, probed, and put back with "missing time."  It's so cliche, and doesn't match up at ALL with what my personal experience is indicating, or those I've talked to.   I think the version that "they" feed the public is the watered down, disinformation version which leaves out the hypderdimensional aspect of the entire thing, and the fact that the abductors are outside of time.   Either "they" feel the general public is too stupid to understand such "complicated" concepts, or, they're purposely feeding us a false version of how it really goes to steer us far off course and keep us confused.

Regarding my own strange memory of coming home from school and bursting into tears for no reason -  one theory I've contemplated is that maybe I was abducted/programmed on the way home, and then put back exactly where / when I was taken -- so there no missing time.  I arrived home on time, on the nose, with only a residual anxious feeling and no conscious recollection of what may have just happened.   Although my subconsious definately seemed to remember, as it was reacting to something.   It's a good theory I think.

And yes.................king_vima, your account of the underground trams is chilling.   Do you remember anything else??   I was told that there are most definately underground roadways and tram things in California.

King Vima, do you have memories beginning to pop up at random moments as of late?  This particular one sent shivers down my spine. 

Do you think "they" (mind control perp's) have the ability to manipulate time so one does not have the classical missing time scenerio?  Tie this in with all the other bag of tricks and the chess game takes on a whole different meaning. 

Maybe being aware of these unusual occurances/experiences make breaks in the programming lending it either useless or partially ineffective.  Sure hope so. 

Just can't shake this gut feeling that the time manipulaiton thing is going on due to numerous military type dreams I've been experiencing this past year.  Remember at least 6 or so, wonder about the ones that are not remembered....What makes this more than a bit disturbing with these dreams is waking  up with my upper deltoid area sore-like I've received a shot.  This has happened at least 4 times in the past year    UGH!  BTW working out with my arms is not something I partake in either-at least not that isolated muscle area.  Picking tomatoes in the garden doesn't make me sore at all.

It would be interesting to see what commercials/shows/music /words smells seem to trigger us in way's that are just not "us".  Something that feels out of place, oddly different, unusual emotional responses that are totally out of context.

Perhaps many of us may share some of the "same" triggers, it wouldn't be surprising.  Maybe a mimi poll just to see-perhaps to validate what's going on so we don't feel so alone/crazy.

I wonder if any of us have the same

If i truly was ever part of such an experiment, i'm sure that i drove to southern California and entered an underground metro system, probably below a city metro system and rode a single pod high-speed transport to a destination that i cannot remember.

The two memories, one of me driving with my father and being up in some hills and looking down on the city lights of a large city, without my sister or mother. And the memory of the transport station are both very strong and make me shake inside when i think and write about them (shivering like i'm cold, or like when something crazy happens and you have tons of adrenaline pumping through your system and your body feels shaky).  Not only that but both memories give clues that i went on the drive more then once and was at the transport station more then once.

On the drive, i remember asking to go down into the lights (to go to the arcade) and sometimes we would go and other times we "would not have enough time."

At the station, i remember being excited because i remember that riding the transport was fun. I remember waiting around anticipating riding the transport.

From the sound of it, alot of babies were being indoctrinated with mind-programming that weren't related to military family.

I was reading elsewhere on this forum about upcoming movies and 'trigger' phrases that would turn-on mind-control slaves. Now, truly, it seems highly unlikely that i'll watch a movie and be 'triggered' to do something that i would never otherwise do but the fact remains there are some very interesting and intense 'memories' that i have which i would like to understand and know more about.

Does anybody know of any other avenues besides military where a person could find themselves the victim of mind control programming?   The military is the big one that's always mentioned, but I wonder if there are other avenues we're overlooking, other groups and organizations where programming is done?

I used to love the feeling of spinning. I would spin as fast as i possible could then fall down and just enjoy the feeling. Spinning makes me sick now.

As far as military, my grandfather was in Vietnam as an engineer mechanic for airplanes and choppers. I know my mother, as a child, moved around alot as a result of my grandfather being in the military. She has lived in about 45 states. But no one in my immediate family has been in the military.

Do you have any sort of a connection to something that would involve mind control programs?   Such as the military?    Was anybody in your close, immediate family in the military either before you were born or when you were a child?   That's always a good place to start looking I think.   Not sure of any other type of mind control programs that was / is outside of the military black ops programs, so I can't offer up any other suggestions of where to begin to look. 

I had cool dreams too as a kid, really vivid, and I had a knack for lucid dreaming.  Sometimes I would "spin" into my dreams, where my mind would feel like it was spinning like a whirlpool, and my dream would slowly fade in.  First I'd hear the sound, then the visual would kick in.   If I didn't like the sound of it I could even change the dream, like changing the t.v. station!!!!    This is very similar to what you describe doing in your post.   For me, it started during that same time period I wrote about in my 2 previous posts.  (roughly age 4 and 5 years old.)   So, go figure.   I don't know how I was able to do that.   I've never been able to do it again as an adult.

As far as the sex thing goes, a lot of kids experiment and mess around and have interest in the opposite sex (or even same sex, or hell, even both! haha)   before puberty.   It's a myth that people have no hormones or sex thoughts before puberty kicks in.   Your behavior, from what you described, doesn't sound abnormal to me.   Puberty just reaaaaaaaaaaally amps up the hormonal volume, but kids definately play around and have feelings before that time.

Of course there is a lot more to the the memories. There are other memories and 'feelings' or intuition about things that i could not convey very well through writing.

The hardest question to confront is: "Was i ever part of a mind-manipulation or mind-control program?"  It still seems hard to believe or accept even though in the back of my mind i know i believe that such programs exist and that i may have some expereinces with such programs.

About a year ago when i came to the realization that i couldn't remember most of my childhood (at all), i actively started trying to remember. At one point while have a discussion with some friends about dreams, i remembered that when i was a kid i had very vivid and lucid dreams (i think i posted about these dreams once before on this forum). I remember actually learning how to fly through a re-occuring dream where i was trying to get to a swimming pool that was surrounded by a extremely tall fence with no door. So i would run at the fence and jump as high as i could onto the fence then climb the rest and go swimming. This being a re-occuring dream, each time i had the dream i would jump a little higher and higher, until eventually one day when i jumped at the fence i flew right over it and ended up flying around the neiborhood and then eventually splashed down into the water from very high up.

I remember having the ability to rewind, fast-forward and pause my dreams and even re-do a situation that didn't turn out good (in my dream). And ESP has always been pretty strong in my family and both me and my sister have good ESP.  Perhaps i was selected for mind-manipulation program as a child because our family is intelligent, with good ESP and i had a knack for lucid dreaming. If i was being monitored, perhaps that is why i no longer dream and why so much of my childhood seems blank.

One other thing that may coincide with my mind-manipulation theory and that i've just recently been thinking about is, why i'm so sexually agressive. I have always been a pretty sexually agressive person. I remember being interested in females and sex long before i even went through puberty as a child. And now i wonder why i would even have such desires so young.  Of course their could be the probability that i or we (my sister and i) were molested as children, but i don't think that's the case. I've never had any 'memory' that would indicate this type of abuse, nor has my sister ever made any mention or otherwise indicated that she was ever abused in this way. When our parents first broke up, my father got really depressed and beat-up me and my sister a couple of times pretty good, but that's quite a bit different then molestation.

If i ever was part of a mind-manipulation expirement when i was young, then i believe that i am still be monitored. If none of it's true (which i hope it isn't), then i guess i'm just paranoid and a little dilusional which somehow seems a little better then having been mind-programed or something along those lines.