Noble Realms — Circumcision

Re: Circumcision

2007-02-13T20:50:10Z

Barefoot Doc....I was wondering if someone who has seasonal allergies if the flower remedies would interact at all?

Re: Circumcision

2007-02-13T15:06:01Z

Free_Your_Mind wrote:

Yes, this does not make sense. Don't plenty of white american circumcised males get aids? Further more, why would "they" want to push this agenda?

We will all be forced to submit to the "Noahide Laws", or thats the idea. These laws are the Jewish Laws for Gentiles, we do not get the full set.

President George H. W. Bush, recalling Joint House Resolution 173, and recalling that the ethical and moral principles of all civilizations come in part from the Seven Noachide Laws, proclaimed April 16, 1989 and April 6, 1989 as "Education Day, U.S.A." Subsequently, Public Law 102-14, formally designated the Lubavitcher Rebbe's birthday as "Education Day, U.S.A.", with Congress recalling that "without these ethical values and principles the edifice of civilization stands in serious peril of returning to chaos", and that "society is profoundly concerned with the recent weakening of these principles that has resulted in crises that beleaguer and threaten the fabric of civilized society".

Its no joke either they are deadly serious, just google "Noahide laws USA"

Re: Circumcision

2006-12-16T17:03:33Z

Thanks Doc! I appreciate the help. And thank you for the link, as well...

Re: Circumcision

2006-12-15T16:44:23Z

Seeking the Truth wrote:

Thanks, Barefoot Doc, for the info on the flower essences. My son is only 5, so it would be hard to help him with a spiritual thing. Can you tell me how often I should administer the flower remedies? Can I just add them to his juice or something?
I've also ordered a set of Universal Harmonizers from the UK (Steve Gamble's site) for myself and my house (I have alot of attachments, but that's a whole 'nother thread!). Do you know anything about these? I was thinking of using them on my son, too, because I think he might have some entity attachments already (because of me--again, a whole other story). So I'm wondering if they would help with the aura weakening near his sexual center from the cutting?? And do you know if I can place the harmonizers on him while he's sleeping or does he have to be awake and give his permission for this? Thanks for any help or suggestions you might have.
Peace,
Debbie

Hi Debbie the dosage for the flower remedies is 7 drops under the tongue morning and night though i would consider putting them in a small amount juice or water if he does not like the taste. Just get him to sip it slowly.

I don't know much about the universal harmonizers and suggest either calling Steve or emailing him, i have spoke to Steve by phone about his articles and we had a chat for about half an hour, so i am sure he could advise you best.

Re: Circumcision

2006-12-15T15:33:20Z

This is a very difficult subject for me. Unfortunately, I didn't "wake up" until a couple years after my son was born. My husband is cut, and every man I've ever been with has been cut, with the exception of one guy. So all my adult life, I am led to believe that this is 'normal' and being uncut is not normal. So when my baby was born, I allowed them to circumcise him--so that he would be 'normal' and more like his daddy. Never did they explain to me the things that could go wrong and they certainly didn't tell me that it was without numbing of some sort. I signed the paper just like the good drone They want us to be, and they took my boy down the hall. I sat in the hospital room listening to babies woller and waited for my son to be brought back. As I sat there waiting, I suddenly heard him start screaming (in pain obviously). I was so upset I almost puked. I just sat there and cried and cried. They brought him back a few minutes later--still crying. They gave him to me and I rocked him and hummed to him while we both cried. I felt absolutely horrible, and now I feel even worse, knowing what I know now--that it's totally unneccesary.
To top it all off, I had problems getting him to nurse and the people at the hospital were not very knowledgable about the fine art of breastfeeding. It was very painful for me. The one and only lactation nurse was not very helpful. I ended up formula feeding him--and very upset about it. She calmed my fears a bit by reminding me that we would still be able to bond while I fed him, even if it was from a bottle.
There are so many things I did wrong when I had my son, it's hard to think about. But I guess the worst thing was the cutting. Just so he could be "normal".... If I had to do it all again, I would have had a home birth with a midwife, he wouldn't have been cut, and I would have just dealt with the immense pain while nursing.

On the subject of homosexuality and circumcision, I don't really see a correlation. Not to say that I'm a whore or anything, but I've been with my fair share of men throughout my adulthood and only one was not cut. Obviously the others were not gay or they would not have been with women (unless they were just in the closet or something). Though I don't think that was the case. And they didn't seem like the rapist kind either. A few of them were overly sexed-up, but I thought all guys were like that

Thanks, Barefoot Doc, for the info on the flower essences. My son is only 5, so it would be hard to help him with a spiritual thing. Can you tell me how often I should administer the flower remedies? Can I just add them to his juice or something?

I've also ordered a set of Universal Harmonizers from the UK (Steve Gamble's site) for myself and my house (I have alot of attachments, but that's a whole 'nother thread!). Do you know anything about these? I was thinking of using them on my son, too, because I think he might have some entity attachments already (because of me--again, a whole other story). So I'm wondering if they would help with the aura weakening near his sexual center from the cutting?? And do you know if I can place the harmonizers on him while he's sleeping or does he have to be awake and give his permission for this? Thanks for any help or suggestions you might have.

Peace,
Debbie

Re: Circumcision

2006-12-14T23:00:43Z

Yes, this does not make sense. Don't plenty of white american circumcised males get aids? Further more, why would "they" want to push this agenda?

Re: Circumcision

2006-12-14T17:24:35Z

On the BBC news yesterday, now they calling for circumcision to prevent aids.
Although this is aimed at Africans i wonder how long before here in the UK and Europe where circumcision is very rare Doctors will be offering this to baby boys as "preventative measure"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/827835.stm

Re: Circumcision

2006-10-29T20:51:14Z

from http://health.yahoo.com/news/168226 :

Yahoo! Health News wrote:

Testosterone Tumbling in American Males
FRIDAY, Oct. 27 (HealthDay News) -- The testosterone-fueled American male may be losing his punch.
Over the past two decades, levels of the sex hormone in U.S. men have been falling steadily, a new study finds.
For example, average total testosterone levels in men aged 65 to 69 fell from 503 nanograms/decileter (ng/dL) in 1988 to 423 ng/dL in 2003.
The reasons for this trend are unclear, said researchers at the New England Research Institutes in Waterdown, Mass. They noted that neither aging nor certain other health factors, such as smoking or obesity, can fully explain the decline.
"Male serum testosterone levels appear to vary by generation, even after age is taken into account," study lead author Thomas G. Travison said in a prepared statement.
Testosterone is the primary male sex hormone and plays an important role in maintaining bone and muscle mass. Low testosterone levels have been linked to health problems, including lowered libido and diabetes.
It's normal for men's testosterone levels to peak in their late 20s and then start to gradually decline, experts say. But this study found that overall testosterone levels are lower than they were 20 years ago.
"In 1988, men who were 50 years and older had higher serum testosterone concentrations than did comparable 50-year-old men in 1996. This suggests that some factor other than age may be contributing to the observed declines in testosterone over time," Travison said.
He and his colleagues analyzed blood samples -- along with health and other information -- from about 1,500 men in the greater Boston area who took part in the Massachusetts Male Aging Study. That study collected data in 1987-89, 1995-97, and 2002-04.
"This analysis deals with men who were born between 1915 and 1945, but our baseline data were not obtained until the late 1980s, when the elder subjects were about 70 years old, and the youngest about 45," Travison said.
"Events occurring in earlier decades could certainly help explain our results, if their effects persisted into recent years," he noted.
The findings were published in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism.
More information
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Re: Circumcision

2006-10-07T20:34:45Z

T-Ren wrote:

AHHHH,
For all the Angst against circumcision, to ban it is to take away choice and free will, you may not like the decisions other people make - welcome to the land of TPTB.
In my opinion you can't compare Female genital mutilation to male circumcision, 1) the area cut is much larger on females, 2) it is sewn up so the clitoris is covered therefore no pleasure with sex/intercourse and 3) the vaginal opening is smaller than normal and doesn't get lubricated the same so there is immense pain with penetration.

The skin removed equals 15+ square inches, because the foreskin is a double-sided skin "tube", not "flap of skin" as most would believe. Perhaps the wounds on a female are more severe from lack of actual medical implements, but the surface area removed from the penis is definitely MORE. Less surface area=less pleasure receptors...

While some females are sewn up, doctors use soldering-iron like devices to cauterize the skin together on the penis. While I can't say which is more "barbaric", the point is these things are being done to un-willing victims!*

*the only exception being willing patients, plenty of online boards dedicated to such rediculous self-mutilation, as they promote the same illogical reasons, "all girls like circumcised guys, etc."

Just because they call it a "religious practice", coming of age ritual, doesnt justify what is happening. These people have to hold down their own children so they don't run away.

The bottom line is: With proper education, no one would put themselves through this! That is WHY they do it to babies, and KIDS who are being forced upon these "rituals", who do the same thing to THEIR kids!

Re: Circumcision

2006-10-07T16:00:20Z

AHHHH,

So somebody reads for themselves.

I take to the circumcision of the heart as to being more important. esp since Jesus' time since he fullfilled the law - he took care of the external obligations so we can have more freedom for the internal changes to take place.

The Jews(Talmudic/Zionistic Jews that is) wanted to force everybody to circumcision for the outer appearance appeal, Jesus spoke against this - he was more concerned with the inner happenings, that "evil" Paul from his legalistic background didn't force circumcision on Gentiles. He too got that it's your heart, soul, Spirit that matter no the outer aspects.

For all the Angst against circumcision, to ban it is to take away choice and free will, you may not like the decisions other people make - welcome to the land of TPTB.

In my opinion you can't compare Female genital mutilation to male circumcision, 1) the area cut is much larger on females, 2) it is sewn up so the clitoris is covered therefore no pleasure with sex/intercourse and 3) the vaginal opening is smaller than normal and doesn't get lubricated the same so there is immense pain with penetration.

Also my problem with trying to abolish something(though I would like to see war abolished, as well as female genital mutilation and I think male circumcision is unnecessary) is there is always something to take its place, there is binding of the feet, there is a tribe in South America where the dads "teach" their daughters about sex before they get married...ie they have sex with them, they actually promote incest...and I am sure there are a host of others world wide.

I'll concern myself with raising my family and trying to have an impact on my immediate area where ever that may be. I'll leave the rest of the world to those that want it.

Re: Circumcision

2006-10-07T10:35:09Z

An interesting subject, got me thinking, since the practice is part of Judaism and presumably carried forward into Christianity from Judaism, then there must be some Biblical reason for circumcision. Now most people, like myself would just take this for granted without actually checking for themselves. Thanks to sites like this one you can quickly check this out for yourself.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/ … -6915.html

Circumcision occurs once in the OT
Circumcise occurs 6 times in the OT

Gen 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

So OK this one does appear to say cut your foreskin off, but the next occurence;

Deu 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Well that would be quite difficult to actually do

Deu 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Again it does not seem to be literal.

So the whole practice seems to be based on taking one verse literally, whilst ignoring others which clearly can not be taken literally. Also the original Hebrew word which is translated to circumcision may not necessarily mean what we take circumcision to mean today.

Re: Circumcision

2006-09-27T23:00:22Z

Wow.. what a large disscusion..well i think nobody here have mention a very important thing, maybe im wrong and it has been mentioned.. Well the question of the smegma.. the white odorous substance that the penis release and become trapped into the skin..the circumcised people dont acumulate that...well one of the reasons of circumcision was to avoid this secretions cause they were "dirty".. well the smegma has antibiotic propeties..sexual hormones...lubricates...and i think i have read that has anticonception propierties..but it was demonized...remember your nice mother...take off the skin and clean it well...the smegma protect against venereal ilness...So... other argument against circumcision,,,im happy that catholic spanish dont circuncidate their childs;) at least one good thing...

Re: Circumcision

2006-09-27T08:13:29Z

When OP-rah opened her show on female genital mutilation, she said "Unlike male circumcision...." thereby setting the tone for the entire show that it's OK to mutilate a male.

I think they play on the fact that most tribes who do this are using "un-clean", dirty and "primitive" tools, like peices of glass, scissors etc, so that male circumcision in hospitals is viewed from a far less "barbaric" standpoint.

It's more like a hygenic "procedure"...

f*ck, I hate how we use euphamisms in this country.

Re: Circumcision

2006-09-26T15:37:30Z

Free_Your_Mind wrote:

http://www.oprah.com/health/beauty/heal … ents.jhtml
Oprah is practically proud to say that this product contains elements of foreskins. Bottom of page...
"Dr. Wexler also mentioned a new product that boosts collagen production and can rejuvenate skin called TNS Recovery Complex. TNS is comprised from six natural human growth factors found in normal healthy skin. Dr. Wexler told us the factors are engineered from human foreskin!"
Notice, natural human growth factors found in normal healthy skin. in direct reference to foreskin.
something is terribly wrong with this country...

OMG i am gobsmacked about the dissasociation going on in daily lives and as for that sanctimonious purvayor of mass dumbing down and the lowest common denominator trash TV Oprah.......well i should have guessed.

Re: Circumcision

2006-09-26T11:26:59Z

Because of the tremendous profits involved, doctors are incouraged to NOT use anesthetic, which makes the recycled foreskin useless to the bio-engineers (and perhaps untasty to those bloodsucking reptilians?). Something could be said about the mentality of the circumcisers themselves. There was a story about a mother who gave birth to a very deformed baby, with an estimated lifespan of a month, give or take. Even though this child was doomed to die, the doctors still put him through the unecessary and truamatic circumcision. Either these Dr's have been cut themselves, are addicted to the god-like power they have over the baby, and the manipulation of the parents trust that the DR knows what he is doing. All of the above, and more?

It has been observed how many medical graduates will fight over who gets to do the next circumcision, but when it comes to the care or treatment of other patients they will have minimal interest, if any, and will fight over who doesn't have to do it

tillibullu wrote:

In an industrialized society with all our sophisticated devices for keeping things hygenic, there's just no need to circumcise boys.

To me, it's not so much a question of technological cleanliness, as it is of common sense and regular care. I believe we have been sold the "medical" reasons for circumcision to cover up why they really do this. And even the medical/hygenic reasons are a joke.

For instance when I crashed the first day on my motorcycle all I ended up with was a few scrapes and a bloody knee (I even rode it back home the extra hour up the mountain!), but my mother insisted we go to the ER for possible stitches, clean up, x-rays etc. much to my objection. We waited 3+ hours, for the doctors to do nothing but over-inject my wound with a supposed "pain-killer" which did nothing (and hurt more then the actual crash!) while they scrubbed the knee with disinfectant and a plastic comb-like brush. It healed slowly which I suspect was due to the shots they gave me, and the way they handled it while trying to "clean" it. And I didn't need stitches which the x-ray confirmed, while adding to the expense bill. (and a few minutes off my life, lol)

Anyways, the point is I could have personally cared for this wound 10x better then how I was treated at a "professional establishment", with the "best" in technological health care. I was a walking meat-bag with an injury (and money!) to these people .

When it comes to keeping the foreskin clean, plain water is the answer. Soap is not needed, NOR recommended. And for people in third world countries or tribal villages where clean water may not be readily accessible, good ol' saliva is enough to clean themselves. I find it ironic I could probably keep better care of a foreskin then some who have them!

We have been lied too about our own bodies and how they work, and how we should take care of them. And they accomplished this in a very short generational period.