I should note that in my dream, there was a massive sense of predestination, i.e everything ever has been thought out, from what time you eat to what movements the atoms in your body make. Thats why the weird filmlike qualities of my dream, i.e events that contained similarities to movies, was weird, i felt as if the films had been influenced in some way (definitely not me influenced by the films hehe )

I did note that in hindusm, krishna means "great black one" or something to that extent, and thats all there is lol, nothing, blackness, but theres something.. its very odd

i spoke with god, but its hard to explain just 'how' you speak with god, its almost as if your knocked out, there is no sense of anything, time, space, emotion, anything, there isnt even a sense of thought, but its thought, thats why its so hard to remember, its like being in a coma, theres nothing but there is this sense of "being" of existing.

*falls on floor* I think I may _actually_ know what you're talking about. I've FELT this before. And Salvia Divinorum showed me the way. When I returned (or re-created) I knew that. I FELT that I had just returned from NOWHERE. I knew that I come from nothing. (the nothing which, apparently, is absolute potential/pure thought alone)

Um, if most of what we talk about here is shit, why would you expect any sort of respectful or helpful response?   Way to make an entrance, bro -- not!

He DID make an entrance!! My God, did you not read anything else of what he wrote? How anyone could focus solely on that one stupid 's' word is beyone me . . . Stop limiting yourselves!! BTW he was right much of what people talk about here IS shit! Totally meaningless IMHO. But so what!? Christ Lord. It really pains me to see people throw the baby out over one persons simple opinion. And the reason why he would expect a response would be because he understands people's capability and willingness to see past such minutia in search of real content.

Unbelievable. I've never had a dream where I did anything as intense as this. So you think this was necessary in order to prove yourself somehow?

Ok was any of this lucid? Did you know you were dreaming? I'm wondering whether you somehow knew that jumping off the cliff would send you somewhere else?

Oh my god okay at this point you are seriously starting to freak me out. That is an insane piece of dream there. I mean I know that I 'knew' about subliminal programming but I've never recieved confirmation like that. Reminds me of my 'Concert Incident' dream posted here - post #11.

This would certainly serve as confirmation for me as to the reality of subliminal messages being sent to the real you - your mind essence or your soul/spirit/conciousness. And would also add to the argument for the 'matrix' spanning further than this physical reality as it would seem proof that an effort to control indeed reaches farther than the physical.

The greatest "thinker" of our time (imho) called it: "passive awareness", but to do this is a rare event and very great "act".

It was because of the prior incident where the greater demon killed everybody else, but i just didnt do anything, i just prayed and worshipped my god, and then i realised that the greatest demon of all is fear, and i jumped, so perhaps it was that submission that caused my passing to stage 3. I suppose the ultimate fear is "the void' the unknown, death, the end and as is evident death is something we have no control over, no choice it is thoroughly predecided and out of our control.

Hah come to think of it, funny thought

The first stage fightng the demons, is life
the second stage, the crevasse, the greater demon, is death
the third stage, the temple the absolute blackness, is god

There would be your holy trinity

God, Life, Death, What else is there? Creation, Destruction, Absolute

Creation     God   Destruction
Destruction God   Creation

Or, to say it best..

Creation, Destruction, Absolution.

Right under our noses... Right under our noses the answers are!

As for weapon of chosen, no it wasnt personal choice thats something i MUST stress, it ultimately is NOT down to us. We can go a lot of the way fighting our demons, but the greatest demon will devour ALL of us unless god stops it, that would be your "divine intervention"

Natural mystic, there was no collective meaning.. well there was. It was a test, it was quite a hefty test thats all it was a trial of my own inner strength, By collective meaning i mean that this is something we ALL eventually go through, i havent noticed any particular change in myself except a bit of a burden released because all the changes were out of my conscious perspective if you will. They were my higher consciousnesses perspective not mine. And no we dont create all the "shadows" but we create 99.9 percent of them. As for ourselves taking us to god, it is, but its also gods will, but we also have to be worthy.

See there were 3 distinct phases

Fighting in the arena.. this was on a lesser plane and that allowed me to transcend to the next phase.

Phase two, the mesoamerican ruins i spoke of and the encounter with the greater demon, this is a shadow NOT created by us. not at all, it embodies our fears etc but it isnt made by us, its made for the simple purpose of stopping people getting to step 3.

How i got to step three i dont know, i was just allowed to take the dagger out, it wasnt as though i had done anything particularly special, it was more "i will allow you to pass" of course its not that simple and i still had to avoid the demon to get to the dagger to take it out. Then the demon was under my control.

Like i say after suceeding "i asked the demon monster why could i pull it out, and he said he could not tell me, but i looked at the dagger and it had enscripted on it "only those chosen"" In other words.. Your either allowed or you aint.

Then i passed onto phase 3 which was the temple sort of thing, it was dark and bright at the same time, it was there and it was not, my friend.. he was there but he wasnt a "part of it" it was like i was in the temple and i was the temple but the temple wasnt really there, and there wasnt actually anything at all it was like simultanious different realities condensed down to one absolute nothingness, one great black void. My friend was only brought on because of the whole exhorcism thing where he started spouting loads of infomercians and crazy crap.

Now the thing is its not so much we are "controlled" by infomercials and things on the tv, its just theres so much perversion and irrelevance out there that affects our subconscious and well its abit like AB said "crowd his state of mind" and its this crowding that leads to confusion which leads to the production of perverted thoughts, which leads to demons.

Thing is, i also now am aware of what speaking in tongues really means, its a subconscious bodily reaction where someone sticks out their tongue without realising it, you watch the tv, you watch peoples mouths, theres LOADs of people who do it, i dont really understand the relevance of it but i think its like an expression of the subconscious perversion, i.e they do it without realising it so its uncontrolled and subconscious.. very strange and a bit frightening i must admit it would appear its a bad habit thats picked up from others, much like the 'devil' symbol embraced by todays metal culture, its just a bad habit, wheras the devil sign is more a conscious decision the tongues thing is completely subliminal and subconscious.

OP's well ops dont exist really, not to the extent your talking about, neither do reptilians, that just stems from the whole "clouding" of our subconscious being, no doubt the reptilian thing is because of the tongue thing "as a serpent does" and i mean if you look at the bible its a serpent that caused the first "sin", so its almost like the tongue thing is a sign of "sin".

As for OP, well an op is just one of those people, one and the same, still human, its just very perverted subconsciously which makes them completely non-spiritual, like i said my friend wasnt interested in the spiritually divine because he was more interested in advertisements, get me?

Its all us, always been us, we are the responsible ones, we are the perverted demons we fear so much.

My teacher always says "they are just dreams" (and she's very psychologically hip!) but that's her, i have found that i get what i put into understanding them, from looking at what the dream is trying to tell me, or what can be learned, very often my dreams are prophetic but this seems more symbolic... only you will know from what resonates and how, while awakening to the meanings. The other thing i've noticed is that "feelings" in dreams are almost always misleading, the upper layers reacting to the dream imagery.
First of all let me say i can relate to the subconscious context, by your own admition: demonic energy. BTW, I don't buy any external STS  control  (we are STS anyway or we wouldn't be here) in dreams, that is the separated mind of fear that must label and separate and blame something, someone, anyone to feel safe and strengthened in the illusory self entity ... ironically its effect is the reverse and paranoia making...that's the way fear works...it creates the exact situation that we are trying to avoid and strengthens it's hold.

You have to find what the symbols mean to you, they are often archtypes in common but you will know by the feeling in your gut when you hit upon it. it will be clear as the peices fall together over the next few days.

i have also have had the instictive feeling of "war" in response to demons, that is the typical response, to "fight them" and in some respects it's true that perhaps we do need some resolve to deal with out baser instincts and predatory substrata...however as evidenced in your dream, the greater truth is that fighting is hopeless..." you didnt run, didn't fight" , since that would only quicken your demise, you used the only strategy left..."pure" graitude...for the lesson or the  the proximity to death/life/moment of truth... and the cavern is signifigant... "the void?"= all of this in front of us which is hidden to us in it's true nature, and to keep you from it would be his success your defeat. That you jumped off the cliff and died is interesting too...We must all jump off the cliff, i suppose we can't remain in "safety" or indicision forever, but must do something and dying is the best thingy ou can do in life, while being reborn as true Self, and impervious to fear. 
I'm not sure what "the chosen" weapon means, but perhaps the most important tools are "your choice" and all of this is a test to see what you will do in the given conflict with the demonic/power side of yourself. The rest is pretty obvious...incidently it's common not to remember what transpires when you talk to god...might in some way be cause it is so pure no trace is left in the brain...instantaneous, not storable because at that moment you are not separate from "the one". (might be romantic notion...lol)
Interesting about the demon "weak in the leg area" and big teeth  (the better to eat you with my dear!) haha peace

I wouldnt say it was a ride on all the universe has to offer, i think it was just spiritual guidance, but not from any angels or anything like that, this was a message quite literally from the divine, i mean i spoke with god, but its hard to explain just 'how' you speak with god, its almost as if your knocked out, there is no sense of anything, time, space, emotion, anything, there isnt even a sense of thought, but its thought, thats why its so hard to remember, its like being in a coma, theres nothing but there is this sense of "being" of existing.

Reminds me of an episode of Samurai Jack....

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I've been downloading and watching that Cartoon!  I love it.  It's fun and contains symbolism too.  Although I don't know which episode you speak of.  I guess I'll find out soon enough.

Syth, sorry for not commenting more on your topic and focusing on one word

I read your dream, and it was very intresting and have a few questions.

What part of your dream contained a collective meaning?

As for the whole demon subject, we may create our "shadows", but I don't think we create all the negative STS beings in the world.  We can allow those being to operate within our reality, or choose not to.  And wouldn't it be ourselves that makes the journey to "god"?  Instead of someone else taking us?  Or am I misinterpreting your comment?

When i talked to god, saw god, was with god.. i cant explain it i was told something i cant remember but i have the feeling my higher self remembers, it was important and i also had this feeling that not many people had done that and succeeded before.

I agree we are spiritual and the divine is the divine, we are creations thats all we are, and most of the time we worship other creations or the divines work be it "positive" or "negative" without actually worshipping the divine.

Yes i agree dreams are illusions but this WASNT an illusion, thats the point im trying to get across it WASNT a dream as such, it just.. wasnt the same at all, it was more like i was summoned, literally by my own will to conquer my demons. And you can say that demons are this and that, but they are frightening, you cant imagine the terror you are.

Lucerferic seducers, Well let me point out one thing, the greater demon that guarded the sword, that was lucifer, that was the boss demon, he is the "light bringer" in other words he "brings you to the light" he takes you to god if your worthy.

Jesus, Christ, Etc.. From what i learned yes it is absolutely our higher selves the whole christian view is false, its more to do with our natures, its a description of our purer being.

Wrong, lucerferic seducers and jesus christ dont want us to believe we are gods, We want to believe we are gods when we arent. Thats all it is.

This is a punishment we inflicted upon ourselves, we create our demons. This is a learning phase, perhaps a relearning phase, god put us here against part of our will (higher self agrees, lower self doesnt)

The really freaky thing in my dream was the dude spouting infomercials like he was possesed.. now that was f-cked up and the whole thing with it being a film designed by the glowing pyramid with the eye, which DOESNT relate to the illuminati, adopted symbol sure but its actually represents god. In other words it was kind of like "god made this movie".. yes i learnt a lot from my dream, and i also found out im rather cool and can jump around with a chainsaw hacking demons to bits i have to say its pretty damn fun!

Yes we can have memories of past lives in dreams, but most important is to ask ourselves: what does this tell me about myself now? what must I understand? what does it teach me about myself? the most important aspects of a past life is not what we did and what we experienced outwardly (like how we died) but what does the memory tell my about myself as a reincarnating human being, what was my inner personality and what dio I have to change consciously (i.e. imperfections)? We recognize the reincarnation of someone not by outer events in a past life but by inner hidden traits that come back in this life as a new faculty. For example, someone was an inquisitive warrior in his past life, now he is sharp-tongued. By the way, a long time separates two lives. I believe most books about reincarnation are flawed by atavistic clairvoyance, that which gives visions that are not necessarily memories of ours but memories of others, kept in the Akasha chronicles.

Let's come back to dreams. Personally, I don't trust dream visions or experiences as being able to give direct access to knowledge. I prefer to investigate objects which i experience in a wide-awake consciousness, so I can be sure they exists (we cannot say the same about the stuff that dreams are made of). Dreams are distorded perceptions. Clear day-light consciousness gives clear perception if we can avoid being too subjective, visionary or lost in our own illusions of self-importance.

I don't think we are divine, we are SPIRITUAL. The Divine is divine, and lower than that is the spiritual world. We come from the spiritual. To create the world and man, the Divine, that is too light and perfect to mingle with the imperfect material world, used intermediary Spirits (Elohim, Jehovah, etc.). Our own inner self correlates with the Being of all beings (Christ= Ich in German I+CH(rist) ; Jesus= "Je suis"; YHVH= "I am the I am"), is spiritually identical to the Christic emanation of the Divine. Both Jesus-Christ and Lucifer tell us that we are 'gods', however we must understand it correctly. In the past, 'gods' meant all spiritual beings, even elementals! So we must be careful. we are not gods, we are not even close to the perfection of God. Luciferic seducers want us to believe that we are already so perfect that we ought never to come back on earth and reincarnate anymore. This is simply not true.

Best,

Druid