Re: Cathy O'Brien, MKULTRA, Project Monarch -- I HIGHLY recommend reading the following "Cosmic Awareness" channeling, saying that what Cathy O'Brien claims is true, plus lots of great stuff, about the New World Order, etc... Definitely a must-read.

http://archive.tc/?x=669

Interesting read, I just finished perusing it.  It seems from what I've gathered that Cathy has indeed been a victim of MC, no doubt about that, which I did agree with in my earlier posts.   I had been questioning whether she really experienced everything she claims she did (and it seems she very well may have) but most importantly, the role of Mark Phillips in Cathy's life.  He's consistently portrayed as being "former" CIA, and as her rescuer, who was on the lam, de-programming her.   Some food for thought that comes up when you do the research is that:

- Once in, always in.  There's really no such thing as being "former" CIA;

- Phillips may be Cathy's newest programmer. Instead of being "freed," the programmer has only changed hands.  Cathy's odd behavior, noted by those who've met with her and Mark, seems testament to this.  There's a detailed piece about this in the Universal Seduction series.  When I get home later I'll look it up, and possibly see about getting it posted here.  It's always good to have multiple perspectives on a situation.

- Phillips' odd behavior also seems to indicate that things aren't what they seem to be.  Again, I'll provide the material when I get home tonight for some illustration.

- The fact that in the early stages of their escape, nobody killed them, and they were alllowed to start running around the country, flying, driving, staying at hotels, giving speeches and appearing on radio shows without being killed.  What all of this might mean is that Cathy has been "allowed" to be what's considered a controlled leak, which serves a variety of purposes.  Everything from gaining the upperhand on what the public is going to hear, while possibly inserting disinformation into the works to send people scrambling down the wrong path - or get them to look in one particular direction and not another.  And so on. 

Again, I don't doubt that Cathy was abused and mind controlled, but I just had doubted how much of her story is really accurate, and again, the situation with "who is Mark Phillips really?"  I've read other excerpts from the Cosmic Awareness channelling and found it to be one of the more legitimate-sounding channeling sources, (in fact I've even quoted one of their sessions before...) but you never know.  What's weird about this particular session is that the Awareness talk an awful lot like a normal person, even using the casual slang.  They also seemed to hold the mainstream conspiracy view on the subject, agreeing 100% with the O'Brien material, and not mentioning ANY funny stuff that has surrounded the entire situation....which there apparently is a lot of.  So I'm wondering if that particular session may have been colored by the channeler's personal biases and viewpoints which lean in the direction of enthusiastically supporting the Cathy and Mark story as presented.  A higher awareness who's outside of 3rd density and can see a much broader view would certainly have insight that we, the average person, don't.  And all that's really found in that particular material is everything we the general public already have access to.  There's nothing in there that one wouldn't be able to find in the conspiracy literature.   If anything, it only serves to reconfirm what the channeler, and those involved, already knew.    Anyway, my above points are just something to keep in mind.   Be back later with some Universal Seduction excerpts....

http://archive.tc/?x=669

Its all so funny.  Everyone knows Santa did it.  I mean..Christmas...funny old man breaking into everyone's house...giving candy and toys to young children...c'mon it's obvious!

ramblings of a lunatic?

Yeah, pretty much.

Well like I mentioned earlier, three names are used IF the person has three names.  If their birth name is only two, then that's what has to be used.

but what's that healing business about?  ramblings of a lunatic?

http://people.aol.com/people/article/0, … 92,00.html

and about the name thing, mel gibson mentioned that in conspiracy theory except "sirhan sirhan" didn't fit the mold

(just random thoughts that should probably be ignored)

"DNA found on JonBenet Ramsey's body does not match sample DNA from suspect John Mark Karr, Denver, Colorado's KUSA television station reports."

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/2 … omug8.html

Ha!  I knew it.  A couple of days ago when looking at the article in People I knew it wouldn't match.  Some people think he's mind controlled, but I don't think that either.  If he was mind controlled he would have stepped forward 10 years ago.  A mind controlled pawn is somebody who needs to be used at a strategic time, and10 years after the fact - after the mom has died - has no strategy involved.   He's just plain crazy, somebody who was obsessed both with JonBenet and Polly Klaus.   Thanks for the update.   It's a shame though that because JonBenet was white, blonde and blue eyed that the case gets so much attention, versus child murder tragedies of equal caliber that happen every year to brown skinned kids...and which get no media attention at all.   

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/2 … omug8.html

What I wonder is, why do all these patsies almost ALWAYS have their middle name getting said all the time?  John Wilkes Booth.  Lee Harvey Oswald.  John Mark Karr.

Is this another form of media brainwashing or something?  That if they say the name over and over again including the middle name that it'll just sound more "killer-ish" because of this association?

Some years back I read that all serial killers and killers in general are always said with three names, if they have three.  I'm not sure why that is, I believe it had something to do with setting them apart in some way, a form of "programming" the public to view them a certain way exactly as you described.  So yeah, you're definitely not imagining it.   

Spin off topic, but this makes me want to start compiling a list of all the subtle programming techniques that we encounter every day designed to mold and shape how we the public views things. When I stop and think about it, I get very annoyed.   So, I normally try not to think about it too much. 

Well, I'd like to see this happen too, but I honestly don't think it will.  I did my random measuring test last year while working at a hotel that had a TV in the break room going all day long, tuned to CNN, and people were glued to it like moths to a flame.  My random comments said to both males and females, young and old, of all different colors and backgrounds were met with blank stares, or outright furrowed eyebrows, like, Huh??  You're crazy.  What??   I don't get it, I don't see what you're talking about.   So, yeah, I kind of realized then...it's hopeless.   My cynical pessimistic thought born out of frustration was that we're already past the point of no return and those who are capable of waking up would have done so by this point.  So if they haven't yet, then it means they never will, because like you said, it IS a total circus.  How much MORE circus do we need in order to jolt people out of their so-called stupor?   I mean, come on.   So if they haven't woken up yet, and are glued to the TV like hypnotized moths around a flame, then it's too late for them!   My atittude became f*ck 'em.  Don't worrry about them.  It's that whole "Save as many as you can, don't worry about the rest."  I've never had hope though that it was possible for every man, woman and child to wake up in some sort of mass awakening.  It's not possible, not in this reality with the way things are.   Everybody's at different levels, different soul frequencies, some more sentient than others. We're not all playing with the same set of tools, and everybody's going in different directions.  Hence, timeline splits and probable future realities.  A mass awakening as you described that involves *everybody* just can't be in 3D, because it implies then that everybody would have to be on the same level, on the same path, polarized the same way, with the same goal...

Is this another form of media brainwashing or something?  That if they say the name over and over again including the middle name that it'll just sound more "killer-ish" because of this association?

This whole circus is ridiculous.  I'm starting to get more and more convinced that the psychological polarization of people is at or near a critical threshold, where anyone who is capable of waking up from the media's absurdity has already done so, and anyone who hasn't yet never will (in this lifetime at least).  I'm not "there" yet as I don't want to feel like I'm cutting anyone off, but it really feels like it's at the razor's edge now.

It was one thing back when JonBenet was first killed and it was somewhat of a slow news period... but now, after all this time, spending all this coverage on a girl who was killed ten years ago, usurping so MANY other stories going on right now of more large-scale importance.  And it's so blatantly transparent this time... but that's the thing, is it just blatantly transparent to US, people who've already seen through this stierschiesse... or is there by chance, just some small chance, a handful of people out there who previously didn't "get it" who will because of this (like many did with Terry Schiavo in reference to the politicians; I'm talking about a similar wake-up call in reference to the media)?

At my most optimistic I'd like to believe that every man woman and child will hit their wake-up point in this grand Cycle, and that maybe the One's purpose in all this media silliness is to continue to escalate the absurdity until the point when not even the most stubborn and/or knuckleheaded can deny it any more.

My take on it is that the Ramsey family was probably indeed involved with MKULTRA and Project Monarch, and that JonBenet was probably being raised as a mind controlled slave, subjected to heavy trauma, with dissociative identity disorder and the whole thing, and that it's quite possible that she died during a ceremony of ritual abuse gone too far...

I also remember reading that kids raised in families involved with MKULTRA and Project Monarch sometimes are given names or initials that are related to the project... And a few days ago, I took a look at the suspected killer's name, and realized... John Mark Karr... MK... MKULTRA... And someone on a forum mentioned how "brainwashed" he looked, which is what the MKULTRA programming is all about... So, I suspect that John Mark Karr is quite probably another programmed Monarch slave... Whether he's the one who killed her or not, I have no idea... But there seems to be a huge MKULTRA/Monarch connection between the Ramsey family and John Mark Karr...

PDF copy of Cathy O'Brien's book, Trance Formation of America: http://www.filelodge.com/files/room38/1 … merica.pdf

Okay.............for starters............and I hate to be the one to keep pointing this out, and I'm not trying to defend the Ramseys, because I don't know them, and for all I know, they were guilty.  But...people's reasoning for why they suspect the Ramseys of being involved in Satantic ritual child abuse are flimsy, at best.   Again, they may very well be guilty, but all I'm saying is for people to look a bit closer at their "reasoning" and their sources for how they're drawing their conclusions.  Not just with this, but with ALL of our conspiracy/alternative research.   

In reading your post for example, your reasoning for why you believe this is because:

1.  John Mark Karr happens to have an "M" and a "K" in his initials, (but also a J, but nevermind that...) which Hey!  Links up to "MK" Ultra.

2.  He looks brainwashed.  (He doesn't look brainwashed to me, but, he does look demonically creepy.  In fact I've found it impossible to look at his picture for longer than about 3 seconds at a time.  I have to look away.  It makes my solar plexus area clench up.)   Looking brainwashed is kind of subjective, but if I had to pick what the brainwashed look is, I'd say, look at the actress Katie Holmes.  But, that's just speculation on my part.  ;)  And I digress.   

3.  Because of what Cathy O'Brien said. 

If you were trying to present a case to a jury, that would NOT hold up!  :D

Then there's the matter of the fact you're citing the Monarch program.   I would do a little more research into that one.  Because while MK Ultra apparently was real, Monarch supposedly was not.  There are so many layers upon layers of deception going on in the world of alternative conspiracy and mind control research that you can't just automatically trust and believe what you read.   Monarch was supposedly a "red herring" used to confuse people.  Gunther Russbacher wrote about that in fact, and says that "Monarch" is almost used as a measuring gauge of sorts by "TPTB" to keep track of who's real, and who's either lying, delusional, or spouting disinfo. programming.   But who knows....maybe he's lying too, although he's not the only one saying it.  But hey, maybe they're all lying then!  :D  Seriously, who knows.  It's a crazy line of research, with everybody pointing fingers and accusing everybody else of lying.

And while Cathy O'Brien is apparently the real deal as far as mind control goes, again, the situation with her and Mark Phillips is questionable at best, and it's quite possible - and highly likely - that not all the things happened to her that she believes happened to her.  I've read her book, as well as reports from people who've had bewildering and baffling encounters with Cathy and Mark, so basically both sides of the story.  And I was left thinking Yeah, things are not what they appear to be with Cathy and Mark, and for that reason, they're not a book/source that I myself would ever go around citing as proof or evidence of anything.  Something seems a little off there.   It just seems that anytime a story pops up that maybe has some ties into mind control or ritual abuse, Cathy O'Brien is sure to pipe up and claim that she was connected to it all in some way and has the inside scoop.  And who knows - maybe she was.  But I remain a bit skeptical at this point and don't just automatically believe everything that comes out of her and Mark's mouth. 

Anyway, just some feedback.  My gut instinct tells me based on various things I've read - and not alternative conspiracy/mind control sources actually, but rather, mainstream sources -  that yes, the Ramseys were not the shiny happy polished people that they would have liked the world to believe they were.  All rich fancy pants people creep me out though and are suspicious to me.  Truly.   People don't just get to that level of society without having something negative going on I don't think, and some serious skeletons in their closets, imo.  Nice people typically finish last in 3D.  That's the way it's set up.  Dark people have demonic protection and rise up the ranks and achieve richness, living in these creepy, soulless estates and mansion houses with five car garages, driving around in their yachts and fancy boats, dressing up their kids like dolls and posing for fake plastered smile family Christmas card pictures and attending fakey fakey soirees.  (see "Eyes Wide Shut" !)   All I can say to that whole deal is "eek!" and that I'd rather be poor, thank you!  ;)   So I hear ya about why your intuition is leading you to conclude what you're concluding, because I feel the same way.  But my only advise is to look closer at the sources you're citing - Monarch, Cathy O'Brien, and so on.  May not be too reliable or trustworthy.

"The mind control that is going on in America and the world (Sadam Husain - pronography/drugs/control/torture - connections with the One World Order) involves the very elite, prominent families such as the Jonbenet Ramsey family according to Cathy O'Brien, mind control sex slave of "Trance Formation of America" at www.trance-formation.com  who stated that John Ramsey was a friend to Cathy's father who gained wealth by pornography and "selling" his children into the MKUltra Mind Control program."

From http://mormon.citymax.com/LDSMKUltra.html

My take on it is that the Ramsey family was probably indeed involved with MKULTRA and Project Monarch, and that JonBenet was probably being raised as a mind controlled slave, subjected to heavy trauma, with dissociative identity disorder and the whole thing, and that it's quite possible that she died during a ceremony of ritual abuse gone too far...

I also remember reading that kids raised in families involved with MKULTRA and Project Monarch sometimes are given names or initials that are related to the project... And a few days ago, I took a look at the suspected killer's name, and realized... John Mark Karr... MK... MKULTRA... And someone on a forum mentioned how "brainwashed" he looked, which is what the MKULTRA programming is all about... So, I suspect that John Mark Karr is quite probably another programmed Monarch slave... Whether he's the one who killed her or not, I have no idea... But there seems to be a huge MKULTRA/Monarch connection between the Ramsey family and John Mark Karr...

PDF copy of Cathy O'Brien's book, Trance Formation of America: http://www.filelodge.com/files/room38/1 … merica.pdf

PH

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DENVER -- Psychic Dorothy Allison believed she knew what JonBenet's killer looked like and provided a sketch to the Ramsey family, based on her visions.

The Ramsey family Web site published the sketch, asking the public, "Have you seen this man? This man may have been in the Boulder area in December 1996."

The sketch was also given to Boulder police, who continued to insist that nobody outside the family was likely involved in the crime.

A comparison of the sketch side-by-side with that of a picture of suspect John Karr appears to show remarkable resemblance.

Allison originally came up with the sketch during a 1998 appearance on the nationally syndicated Leeza Gibbons Show. Allison died a year later.

The Ramsey family Web site at www.ramseyfamily.com was used to publish press releases as well as ads and flyers the Ramseys sent out in search for their daughter's killer in the spring and fall of 1997. One of the flyers contained the sketch given by Allison. The Ramsey family let the domain name of the Web site expire in 2004.

Four years before JonBenet's death, Allison assisted El Paso County investigators in the investigation of the slaying of Heather Dawn Church.

''In 30 years, I've never had accurate information from a psychic,'' a veteran law enforcement officer told The Denver Post in 1995. ''But the information by Dorothy Allison was right on the money.''

Robert Browne was later arrested and convicted in the killing of Church. Last month he admitted killing as many as 49 people across the United States.

In another strange twist in the Ramsey case, the man who originally arrested Brown in the Church slaying joined the investigation team looking into the slaying of JonBenet. He said he always believed an intruder was responsible for the crime.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9695462/detail.html#

They can't be serious.  On top of everything else, we are just expected to sit back and swallow this all over again??  I can practically HEAR them deciding which minion to toss on their sacrificial altar.

...can't be Lee Harvey...used the Hell out of that guy already...how 'bout Mark David Cha...no, he's busy right now...lets see...uh...oh right...let's use John Mark Karr...sure...that's got a nice ring to it...they'll all sleep a little easier tonight...

GAWD!!!  Anyone else wondering if Vegas will start taking odds on how long it is before this guy gets knocked off?

Lest we forget, an innocent little SIX year old girl DIED, likely in a state of terror, at somebody's hand (the operative word there being "Innocent").  And at Christmastime, no less.  How sick is that?

Another Princess Lost, with Justice for None.

*stops ranting and goes to cool off somewhere*

Which of course is the reason for so much being covered up.   They also mentioned the deep fears by the ones in control about all the things that could be exposed by the JonBenet case in particular.   

When I saw this new revelation on TV about this guy in Thailand the first thing that went through my mind was "patsy"...meaning they need a fall-guy to make sure this case is closed once and for all.

It makes sense at this point to put it all to rest. 

It does make you wonder where this would all lead if we could investigate it without anyone interferring.   

PH

"...Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, told KGO-TV in California that she does not believe her former husband killed JonBenet because he was with her in Alabama at the time, The Associated Press reported." 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/17/ramse … index.html

".... Lara Karr of Petaluma, who divorced Karr in 2001, told KGO-TV in San Francisco that he often spent time reading up on the cases of Ramsey and Petaluma resident Polly Klaas, who was abducted and slain in 1993.

His father told The Denver Post that while Karr was in college as an adult, a professor encouraged him to write a book about the Ramsey case after being impressed with a school paper.

"He researched everything he could about her," Wexford Karr said."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/17/ramse … index.html

Looks like another case of "Nothing is what it seems to be."   Sounds more like somebody who was obsessed with JonBenet and wants the publicity of being the killer, or else who has deluded himself into thinking he was the klller.

Final verdict:  Wackadoodle!   (judge hammer slams down.)   Next!