Easiest way to contact your "darkside" is to drive in a big/crowded city especially in rush hour

Really, come and try it in Istanbul. "Hey, this is MY way, MY turn, get out of the way, hooonk hoonkk"

Ferit

   That was good feritciva, I like it!    It's so true though!!!   It's what I've been using to try to temper my temper lately!    Anytime somebody drives like an...an.....um, is challenged in the driving skills department, I've been training myself NOT to feel hostile and to remain calm and unfazed.   It's the best tool one can use to work on their dark side!   

Really, come and try it in Istanbul. "Hey, this is MY way, MY turn, get out of the way, hooonk hoonkk"

Ferit

Go for it!

Well awwwlrightie then I will, but I'm going to go ahead and start a new thread (tomorrow), just in case others aren't all the way finished with this one.  As well for the sake of the proper topic name.

Perhaps in full-blown 4d, a negative thought IS a negative action.

Well from what I have learnt in regards to 4D, your thoughts ARE your environment. YCYOR = You create your own reality, becomes a fundamental principle. As opposed to 3D where you must maintain 'effort', I believe that 'variable physicality' empowers the etheric-body to manifest directly.

I realize that my initial response to wandering1 was in regards to the "shadow self". I can see now that I was confused initially. They are indeed two different topics. This thread started out more of "calling up the Devil" etc, etc.

I think that the Shadow Self is most apt to get us when we deny it.  I can imagine it always watching and lurking, perhaps like a Gollum, looking for the most opportune time to take over.

And then the Shadow does take over, and later a person might say "I did that, but it wasn't really me.  I don't know what came over me.  I wasn't myself."

I think that if we only imagine that we can only act in "good" ways then that can serve as a repression. 

Also, in 3d, there can be a difference between "just thinking" about something and actually doing it.

Perhaps as 4d approaches and "bleeds-through", it will be more possible for people to be telepathic and sense what others are thinking.

Perhaps in full-blown 4d, a negative thought IS a negative action.

Yes, I'm clarified. Thank you.

Sooo... is this the wrong thread to discuss the integration of the Shadow Self because you guys are talking about the dark side? 

Is anyone even interested in discussing the Shadow Self?  Has anybody else integrated their Shadow Self?

Snicker! Snort! I don't want to spill my guts if my personal observations of the ins and outs of integrating as much are going to be a boring and uneventful read.   LOL! ...self preservation was one of the positive aspects of integrating the Shadow Self, or at least for me it was.

Mostly, I don't want to turn the thread from its original purpose.

I was aware of such differences a few months ago and continue to be aware of them today.

Personally, I was in a "Let's give this a try" frame of mind and I was consciously trying to contact STS (service-to-self entities).

I see integrating the individual shadow as something different, but posssibly it does have some relationship with understanding STS.

I wanted to give some background as to why I wanted to contact STS (dark side), and show that I was not doing it simply for the "hell of it".

Maybe that will help to clarify.

This question is for anybody who cares to respond.  I ask as much because I want to make sure I'm on the same "page" with everybody else before I go spilling my personal guts here.

When the "dark side" is referred to is this in a general sense?  Or are y'all talking about the "Shawdow Self"?

Maybe my question seems a bit naive, or even persnickety, but I think there's a big difference... especially if we're talking about becoming "whole".

I haven't really delved into the Gurdjieff material. So far, only lightly. What you speak of in regards to what they tend to not focus on is what I have noticed as well. But then again, I have always kept in mind the C's comments on seeking knowledge through ALL the apples instead of focusing on one (accepting limitation). I find Osho, when transcribing Patanjali's sutras, to be very much the missing link to the "rooting oneself with the "real-self", the thinker".

One should never follow one teaching, for it is limited to one perspective. If you follow and cross-reference many teachings, you tend to absorb fragments from each and mold your own self, liberated and original.

Has anyone here experienced the consequences of trying to contact the grays or lizzies? As I mentioned in another post, once I was naive enough to ask the grays for a sign that they were real...that opened the door and they barged right in, abducting me that same night and giving me a hairline scar on my upper right forehead. Apparently, once they're in they are very stubborn guests to leave.

Another thing I noticed is that having hatred or spite toward the dark side also invites it in...as if by psychically hitting them you get close enough for them to hit right back. That's why the "love your enemy" is a smarter thing to do.

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That's good advice, though there is one caution:

Structuring the 3D self is like tilling the soil. If you stop there, then only weeds will grow. In other words, although tilling is necessary - and thus self-observation, balancing your shadow side, stalking your programmed reactions to button pushing events, and quieting the internal energy-wasting chatter are all good starts - these are not sufficient to actually grow a good crop. You also need the seed, sunlight, and water.

For some reason, Fourth Way (Gurdjieff) interpretations of "the Work" leave out these last several ingredients and focus almost exclusively on the "tilling."  There's almost nothing about planting the seed (locating the silent observer within you, the Real Self that comprises the heart of your soul) or watering it (aligning your thoughts with the Real Self, with the principles of intuition, wisdom, and discernment) or having sufficient sunlight (raising your emotional vibration to align with the Real Self, with the frequencies of love, compassion, and understanding).

Since we're discussing progress and protection, notice that STS forces fear those with knowledge (because it makes them less predictable) and are repelled by higher frequency emotional energies, so the logical equation would be:

Higher Frequency + Awareness = Protection

Since protection comes from strength, and growing means becoming stronger, another logical equation would be:

Striving toward Higher Frequency + Seeking Awareness = Progress

If you leave out the first term in these equations, as some interpretations of "the Work" do, then protection and progress will suffer.

To summarize, besides being aware and structuring your 3D self, be sure to also locate the Real Self within and think/feel/act in accordance with its calling, which is how you raise your frequencies and thus catalyze your progress and reinforce protection.

My words are "are you f**king crazy???

Hehe, what's funny is that I was actually thinking that in my head when reading the initial post.

wandering1, if by any chance you opened pandoras box and it ever appears in physical form to you, TICKLE it in the arm-pits and below the navel. Maybe you can transmute it into an angel by making it laugh hysterically?

A few months ago, I was reading about the idea that we need to integrate both our light and dark sides in order to develop.

Seems to me you  either misunderstood what was offered or perhaps read something which was itself misinformation.  However, not knowing at all what you were reading it's hard to make a definitive comment.

That said ... my understanding of our dark side is OUR dark side ... not "The" dark.  In other words,  until you can bring to the light your own shadow, pissy, pusing, pathetic side and all it's pieces which can often appear quite cute, comforting and cosy (and are not) - you cannot fully develop.

Each of us has a dark side, a shadow side and to me - the MAJOR part of the work is to dredge up this dark monster, of mine,  piece by bitter piece.  But it is MY monster ... created by me through the years, eons etc. 

And because it is dark, it resonates with "THE" dark side but good grief Charlie Brown ... I wouldn't ask "THE" dark to help me bring up my dark side in order to transmute it.

"THE" dark wants nothing more than to overwhelm you completely so that you are nothing but the dark.

And on this planet, in this realm, it ain't that hard to do. 

I agree with Lyra and Blackbox but with less polite words.  My words are "are you f**king crazy???
<grin>

A healthy fear of shapeshifters, magick, black wizards etc., has served me well ... as a Scorpio the dark is very intriquing but it can also kill ya ... I try to give it a wide berth.

WR,
Christine B.

"I don't know...the one I feed the most?"

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I think after being inspired into a spiritual-route, the M-O-S-T important thing is to start "the Work". Reading Castaneda, Osho, Gurdjieff (+ his many side-kicks), and learning self-observation, self-stalking, and learning the art of 'cessation of the mind', disrupting 'internal-dialogue' and enslaving the mind (intellectual center) to its proper place below your higher-centers. Once this is done, you need not fear any negs, for your 3D self will be structured.

Well at least this is what I feel to say to you wandering1. Once you really put your effort into it, your true wisdom which accompanies your interest in such resonating materials will come out and flourish. Once the STO-dog in you is fatter than the other dog, you won't be vulnerable (without a fight). The dog represents a vibration, and once you feed it enough, your vibration rises to a high peak. Negs attack you through the other dog, but if you keep that dog weak, they really wont even bother with you anymore. They have many other weak people to feed off.

I don't mean to preach.