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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Cool. The idea of meeting back up again with your soul group I think is an important theme, in this day and age. Robert Monroe has mentioned that this is one of the reasons we&#039;re here, to unify the souls that comprise the meta-soul that we come from. So in a sense, individually we&#039;re the Maiar and when collected and unified, comprise the power of the Ainur. <br /> Leave no one behind, or you&#039;re going to be waiting.</p>]]></content>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Lord of the Rings]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>So my dad loaned me his soft cover copy of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Tolkien-Bestiary-David-Day/dp/0517120771">A Tolkien Bestiary by David Day</a>.&nbsp; &quot;Wow&quot; is all I can say.&nbsp; Thought I&#039;d share this with you all.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p><strong>AINUR</strong></p><p>In the very beginning there was Eru, the One, who dwelt in the Void, and whose name in Elvish was Ilúvatar.&nbsp; As is told in the “Ainulindalë”, Thoughts came forth from Ilúvatar to which He gave eternal life through the power of the Flame Imperishable.&nbsp; Ilúvatar named these creations Ainur, the “holy ones”.&nbsp; They were the first race and they inhabited the Timeless Halls that Ilúvatar had fashioned for them.</p><p>The Ainur were great spirits and each was given a mighty voice so that he could sing before Ilúvatar for his pleasure.&nbsp; When He had heard each sing, Ilúvatar called them to Him and proposed that they should sing in concert.&nbsp; This was what the tales call the Music of the Ainur, in which great themes were made as individual spirits sought supremacy or harmony according to their nature.&nbsp; Some proved greater than others; some were powerful in goodness, some in evil; yet in the end, though the battle of sound was terrible, the Music was great and beautiful.&nbsp; From this harmony and strife Ilúvatar created a Vision that was a globed light in the Void.&nbsp; With a word and the Flame Imperishable He then made Eä, the “World that Is”; Elves and Men later named it Arda, the Earth.&nbsp; <span style="color: green"><strong>The Music became the Doom of Arda and the fate of every race was bound to it, save that of the late-coming race of Men, whose end nobody but Ilúvatar knew.</strong></span></p></blockquote></div><p>(Reminds me of LipstickMystic&#039;s dream/vision recounted <a href="http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=5040">here in #5</a>).</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>So it was that after Arda was made, some of the Ainur went down into this newly created World, where they were known as the Powers of Arda.&nbsp; Later they were thought by Men to be gods.&nbsp; <span style="color: green"><strong>Those who were good among them were guided by their knowledge of the Will of Ilúvatar, while others strove to fulfill their own ends. </strong></span> Whereas in the Timeless Halls they had been beings of pure spirit, within Arda they were limited in power by choosing to inhabit the bounds of Time and the small space of the World.&nbsp; Further, within Arda they took on separate shapes, each according to his nature and the elements he loved, and, though not bound to a visible form, they most often wore these shapes as garments, and in later Ages they were known to Elves and Men in these forms.</p><p>In the “Valequenta” a part of the long history of the Ainur who inhabited Arda and shaped the World is written.&nbsp; It tells how the kingdoms of Almaren, Utumno and Angband were built in Middle-earth; and how the kingdom of Valinor was made in the Undying Lands of Aman.&nbsp; It speaks also of how the Ainur brought forth Light and the Count of Time, and how there were terrible wars among them that shook Arda; and it gives the names and forms of many of the mightiest of the race.</p><p>In Arda the Elves divided this race into the Valar and the Maiar.&nbsp; Those of the Ainur counted among the Valar are: Manwë, the Wind King; Varda, Queen of the Stars; Ulmo, Lord of the Waters; Nienna, the Weeper; Aulë, the Smith; Yavanna, Giver of Fruits; Oromë, Lord of the Forest; Vána, the Youthful; Mandos, Keeper of the Dead; Vairë, the Weaver; Lórien, Master of Dreams; Estë, the Healer; Tulkas, the Wrestler; Nessa, the Dancer; and Melkor, later named Morgoth the Dark Enemy.</p><p>Many of the Ainur were counted among the Maiar, but only a few are named in the histories that have come down to Men: Eönwë, Herald of Manwë; Ilmarë, Maid of Varda; Ossë, of the Waves; Uinen, of the Calm Seas; Melian, Queen of the Sindar; Airen, the Sun; Tilion, the Moon; Sauron, the Sorcerer; Gothmog, Lord of the Balrogs; and Olórin (Gandalf), Radagast and Curinír (Saruman) – the Wizards.&nbsp; In the histories of Middle-earth there also appear others who may have been Maiar: Thuringwethil, the Vampire; Ungoliant, the Spider; Draugluin, the Werewolf; Goldberry, the River-daughter; and Iarwain Ben-adar (Tom Bombadil).</p><p><strong><span style="color: green">As has been said, only some of the Ainur went down to Arda.&nbsp; A greater part has always lived in the Timeless Halls, but it has been foretold that at the World’s End the Valar and Maiar shall rejoin their kindred, and among those who return will also be the Eruhíni, the Children of Ilúvatar, who come forth upon Arda.&nbsp; Once again there shall be Great Music: this shall be mightier than the first.&nbsp; It shall be unflawed, filled with wisdom and sadness, and beautiful beyond compare.</span></strong></p></blockquote></div><p>Also, more on Tom Bombadil here, for anyone interested:</p><p><a href="http://www.mi.imati.cnr.it/~marco/Who_is_Tom_Bombadil.htm">Who is Tom Bombadil?</a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2007-05-16T20:22:08Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Lord of the Rings]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If you like Lord of the Rings, you just might like this comical animated video series &quot;edward the less&quot; created by the MST3K guys, on the Sci-Fi website. <a href="http://www.scifi.com/edwardtheless/">Here</a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2007-05-14T02:47:23Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Graycat101 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The point in time he chooses to begin the journey is his eleventy - first birthday party. ( 1:11 ?? )</p></blockquote></div><p>Bullseye!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2007-05-13T21:52:51Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I have always enjoyed these books. Even from the opening chapters, all kinds of parrallels/ metaphors/ symbology etc can be drawn....</p><p> Bilbo has been putting off a journey that he knows/feels he must undertake.<br /> He is reluctant to &quot; let go &quot; of his familiar surroundings/ possessions/ relationships etc.<br /> The point in time he chooses to begin the journey is his eleventy - first birthday party. ( 1:11 ?? )<br /> The&nbsp; event is highlighted by the fantastic fireworks display. Lights, colours, images never before witnessed.....realistic visions ( the dragon etc )<br /> Already viewed by the majority of his community as eccentric/ weird/ non- conformist, Bilbo disappears from the &quot; flock &quot; and pursues his own path regardless of the shocked crowd and the ensuing gossip....</p><p> So on and so forth....</p> <br /><p> Aside from all that it&#039;s a plain old fashioned good read.....</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Graycat101]]></name>
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			<updated>2007-05-12T14:55:45Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I like your <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BAmenor">Númenórean</a> analogy, MM.&nbsp; Makes sense.&nbsp; I was thinking along the same lines when their story was first introduced and then I realized that that’s what you were talking about.&nbsp; I’ll have to ponder that one some more as well as Montalk’s reference.&nbsp; That’s a good one, as obscure as it is to me.&nbsp; And btw, I was totally enthralled with the story of Tinuveil and Beren (and the way it seems to foreshadow Aragorn and Arwen’s fate(?)).&nbsp; </p><p>I can’t get over how prolific the poetry and history is!&nbsp; As good as the movies were there’s just no way that they could have done the books justice.&nbsp; And the really sad thing about having seen them first is that I can’t get a true picture of the characters in my mind.&nbsp; I keep seeing the actors, which is a real bummer.</p><p><a href="http://home.agh.edu.pl/~szymon/Tolkien/?fn=14">Frodo’s Song in Bree</a> made me giggle once I caught on.&nbsp; Who knew that little ditty had it’s origins in the Shire?&nbsp; <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" />&nbsp; I was a little slow on the uptake on that one…LOL.&nbsp; And speaking of little-known origins, when Sam (I think) said “handsome is as handsome does” I just about fell off the couch.&nbsp; I thought that phrase was from Forrest Gump!&nbsp; I was shocked to discover that they ripped it off!&nbsp; Shocked I tell you!&nbsp; And another thing about Bree; the whole time they were there I was half-expecting <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Deschain">Roland of Gilead</a> to come strolling in at some point (hmmm… <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilead_%28disambiguation%29">Gilead</a>… <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil-Galad">Gil-Galad</a>…note to self…more to ponder).</p><p>I also spent a lot of time in Rivendell at “Many Meetings” and in “The Council of Elrond”.&nbsp; I didn’t want to leave!&nbsp; You know, I keep trying to read this all from a “scholarly” perspective but then I go and get all caught up in the story.&nbsp; I give up now.&nbsp; Maybe I’ll have more luck next time around.&nbsp; </p><p>And oh ya!&nbsp; I forgot to say earlier that those are great quotes, wandering1!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2007-05-11T22:20:35Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Lord of the Rings]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The trilogy is stuffed with archetypes, and being archetypes I&#039;m sure we all know various people that would be expressions of those. I did some further reading on Tom Bombadil and he was meant by Tolkien to be an unexplained enigma. My guess is that the essential archetype of that character relates to our inner godspark, that higher spirit or Real Self that existed before all &quot;this&quot; (our current reality)&nbsp; came into existence after the Fall. In scandinavian mythology he reminds me of Vainamoinen:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>In Finnish mythology Väinämöinen was a wise old magician, the son of the primal goddess Ilmatar. He is the hero of the Finnish epic the &#039;Kalevala&#039;.</p><p>In many stories Väinämöinen was the central figure at the birth of the world.</p><p>First mention of Väinämöinen in literature is from a list of Tavastian gods by Michael Agricola in 1551. He and other writers described Väinämöinen as the god of chants, songs and poetry.</p><p>He was the &#039;eternal sage&#039;, who exerts order over chaos and established the land of Kaleva, that so many of the events in Kalevala revolve around. His search for a wife brings the land of Kaleva into, at first friendly, but later hostile contact with its dark and threatening neighbour in the north, Pohjola. This conflict culminates in the creation and theft of the Sampo, a magical artifact made by Ilmarinen.</p><p>Defeated, Väinämöinen goes to the shores of the sea, where he sings for himself a boat of copper, with which he sails away from the mortal realms. In his final words, he promises that there shall be a time when he shall return, when his crafts and might shall once again be needed.</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Lord of the Rings]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Haha that&#039;s awesome lilmama. I really have to reread the LOTR, I liked it so much, and read it so quickly, that I missed a great deal. I never thought of montalk being Tom Bombadil, but in a cool way that makes alot of sense. <br /> The elves seem to be the aliens, wherein Middle Earth they are somewhat revered to be &quot;closer to the Gods&quot;. Alot of the human kingdoms on Middle Earth drew a great deal of their culture from the elves (like the Numenorians or however you spell it). They liked the elves so much that they wanted to sail to the lands of the Gods to steal the burden of immortality, which us silly mortals viewed as a gift. They became obsessed with death, the preservation of the body, and this fear of what awaited them (and to a great extent, US) when this crude shell comes falling apart drove them insane. This was their true downfall, envy founded upon ignorance and the fear of not knowing. <br /> So when their civilization (which I think one could compare to Atlantis) went beyond their power, and desired more, they tried sailing to the lands of the Gods (which would be the equivilant of the Atlantean civilization seeking out extra-terrestrial aid), to gain the prize of immortality (advanced technology). But, before things could truly go out of control, and the balance offset, the Gods said (I&#039;m paraphrasing here) &quot;Screw that. A mortal life is a gift, immortality is a burden. You do not TRULY want that burden.&quot; Mother Earth or God, in the Atlantean context, would be something like &quot;Screw that. I will not allow you to sell yourselves into slavery to the reptilians&quot;&nbsp; And all the ships that were sailing towards the lands of the Gods were sunk by a giant whirlpool sucking them into the depths of the sea, and Numenor destroyed. In other words, the deluge.<br /> Whether or not this was the act of a benevolent or malevolent God is perhaps the greatest question. Would YOU want immortality? Would you allow your children to sell themselves into bondage?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2007-04-26T17:36:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Lord of the Rings]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Inspired by…</p><p><a href="http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=4935">http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=4935</a></p><p>…I decided it was about time I got around to reading these books, especially since mine have done nothing but adorn my bookshelf for what has to be at least a decade.&nbsp; So I blew the dust off The Fellowship this weekend and am I ever glad I did!&nbsp; I haven’t read any Tolkien since we studied The Hobbit in junior high.&nbsp; More’s the pity!</p><p>Anyway, while they were in The House of Tom Bombadil I wondered who/what he might represent and *blam!* it hits me, like DUH!&nbsp; So I have to ask…is it just me, or does ol’ Tom remind anyone here of a common acquaintance?&nbsp; A certain forum-keeper-upper, perhaps?&nbsp; It made me laugh it’s so obvious, same name and everything.&nbsp; Craziness!&nbsp; </p><p>And Goldberry?&nbsp; Anyone care to guess who she might be?&nbsp; She keeps Tom company, gives one plenty of food (for thought?) and comes from The Old Forest.&nbsp; I can’t decide between Lyra or LipstickMystic.&nbsp; Coulg be either / or, I guess.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2007-04-25T20:41:17Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Lord of the Rings]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve read it before, but not with my full attention, so I&#039;m going to read it again soon!</p><p>It&#039;s pretty symbolic too.&nbsp; Those quotations tell it all.</p><p>The &#039;smallest&#039; character in the book carried the heaviest burden and changed the course of history (contrary to popular belief of &quot;What can I do?&quot; - we can do anything we put our minds too and impact the world in many ways)</p><p>And of course &quot;the all seeing eye&quot; is the bad guy.</p><p>I remember a good post about this in the movie thread.</p><p><a href="http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=17841#p17841">http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 841#p17841</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Natural Mystic]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-08-11T14:57:01Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[The Lord of the Rings]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I love the Lord of the Rings trilogy.&nbsp; I&#039;ve read it several times.&nbsp; I was also impressed by the movie versions.</p><p>Here are some quotes from J.R.R. Tolkien on Middle Earth and The Lord of the Rings:</p><p>&quot;Every writer making a secondary world wishes in some measure to be a real maker, or hopes that he is drawing on reality: hopes that the peculiar quality of this secondary world (if not all the details) are derived from Reality, or are flowing into it.&quot;</p><p>&quot;Middle-earth is our world. I have (of course) placed the action in a purely imaginary (though not wholly impossible) period of antiquity, in which the shape of the continental masses was different.&quot;</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-08-11T07:30:29Z</updated>
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