Iam not a christian!
I do study many religions, and I understand that people need to vent their fustrations, because religion can be frustrating. So if that's what u need to do, go ahead.

And finally, somebody admitted, that there is an a race of european looking alien trying to take over this plant.

And also those European looking aliens are called the sons of god! Been here causing trouble for the longest

And I have never seen or heard anybody say I've seen an Asian, African, nor indian looking alien. Its always grays, repitles, insectors, fish like,and europeans.

Now back to religion ! and UFOogly
Ever religion on earth talks about removing this control system, just like the UFO researcher.
Everybody believes in the same principles when it comes to cleaning the earth, and bringing justice to the wicked forces that reside here.
But were the blind religious freak, and the blind ufo researcher,who's but his faith in creatures coming form god knows were differ is,

who or what is going to do this great work!
Now I unstand people, not wanting to have anything to do with religion. Been there done that! Every church  I associated with was phony (the congergation really didn't care one another, they were just being friendly because they were commaned to.

The bottom line is this, who's alien is going to take over the earth? The ufo researchers or the christian alien.
Which alien is on what side  good or evil?
Cause there both are not on the same side and are not working together.

And both are not giving any real information?
Now back in those temples, that you guys call illrelavent! Was the real deal!
They didn't just, tell you about the universe and god, some way, some how, you got to experience it for yourself. (They had proof!) (But your money were your mouth is sorter speak !)
And today neither religion, nor UFO researcher has any hard, undisputible proof!
Ask was said in the jesus paper, when a person walked out the temple in eygpt, they didn't ask for a refund.

Now the founders of the christian religion need to be shot. Because they have purposely block off the path to god, so that the masses would have to go through them. They are hiding some much info it's sad.

Lets look at the Dorgan Trib of africa, who claims to be visited by an fish like alien every 7 years. This alien has giving them knowledge of the solar system, stars, told them where they were form and left peacefully. They never talked about taking over the earth, and freeing people form the matrix.

Why is that ?
You alien comes here and says get rid of your weapons, u don't need them! were going to help you clean up the earth, why for what? What's in it for u? If they have knowledge they want to have they would just give it.

but, slade if you firmly believe that we have none, that only leaves you to be your own ally.

Keep in mind- there will be many paths and forces to lead you the way of self-condemnation. If that is what you desire, chances are that is what you will get.

If you can allow for yourself another option, those perceived prison bars will begin to dissolve.

If this makes sense to you, then stick around.
                                 I wish you well     J

Will that be on pay-per-view, cause it sounds like a pretty entertaining fight

I keep seeing information about these European looking aliens who are surpose to be our friends. They are not our friends, if they were, they would just free us from these so called bad aliens. They have an agenda also, the want to feed off our energy as well! They also want to rule humanity!

Ok, well, after looking at your first post again, I'd like to point some things out. This whole thing is about European-looking aliens - blonde hair/blue eyed alien minions. They feed off our energy, they want to rule humanity, etc. This I will agree with. Since there is a matrix control system imposed on everyone lower in the heirarchy, there is no doubt in my mind that aliens/STS forces have disguised themselves as humans with these specific traits. It makes sense merely on the fact that shallow people assume the integrity of 'beautiful' people much too easily. So - where's the next place you take your argument?

Hmmm... 'Bible says', so in my experience of strictly avoiding fundamentalist Christian beliefs, there's my 'red flag'. '144,444'... Taken either out of context or used in context which is most likely completely contrived anyway. Look, in the event that 144,444 people (no more and no less) are zipped up into 'heaven' to party with Jesus Partymonster Christ, and we are left on Spaceship Earth as farmers/slaves/etc. - "dying would be a stone groove", as Homer Simpson put it nicely. I would rather experience the 5th Density Contemplative Plane as it should be rather than to serve myself and the chosen elite at the expensive of all humanity.

The fact that there are people stupid enough to believe that their European-bred good looks are going to put them at the seat of an individual who's life story has been rewritten and twisted beyond belief... well, you can imagine why I simply do not care about these pitiful people and their overwhelming desire to sit in the V.I.P. while the rest of humanity must learn about infinity, timelessness and the nature of their physicality at a snail's pace.

I'm not trying to put down your initial argument against the Aryan-looking alien imposters, I'm just pointing out the fact that you shouldn't reinforce your statements with the Bible and Jesus because, generally speaking, disagree if you will, we are the wrong crowd.

I know about European-looking aliens, Asian-looking aliens, Indian-looking aliens, and all kinds of people up and down that are manipulated by alien, or more specifically speaking, STS influence and force. People won't have to accept European-looking aliens as their leaders, they will have to deal with the throes of fascist rule... Whether or not an alien is on the public address system saying that STS is where it's at isn't important. It could be a human saying the same thing. The whole issue lies within the establishment of STS as a rule and the abolishment of STO from the will of humanity. Bottom line, your warning about the Aryan-looking aliens should be met with the same warning for any other group of people. Or better yet, try excessive capitalist markets and militaristic industries. They aren't specifically Aryan elitist aristocrats, but they pose the same threat to our integrity as loving, conscious, self-less human beings.

Just semantics here, so I'll make this brief, but the Greys do not have a spiritual home. They were forged out of genetic manipulation that renders them with out a spirit. They simply possess a hive-mind mentality and work to fulfill their creators' dirty work. They are at home where ever the STS ET's designate because that's all there is to them. Like montalk said, if you're going to be touting the alien agenda, read the sources that are pushing it.

Actually, this 'battle' that you speak of is referenced in many sources that serve as the foundations for belief in ET/alien influence and presence in the galaxy. I'm pretty sure the UFO community is influential in this respect as many people now are drawn to this "final battle" argument while looking for material regarding UFO activity.

However, in your later posts in this thread, you insist that this is a battle between Good and Evil and people are going to be made "spiritually perfect." Let's not cloud this ominous warning with more subjective reasoning/disinformation.

The final battles, like all battles for what they are really worth, are battles fought within. There isn't an army full of black-leather clad reptilians with chainsaws and shotguns vs. a cotton-clad rebel faction armed with crystals and holy handgrenades... Okay, there may be a military-industrial complex looking to face off with fundamentalist sects that could set off global chaos, but in the end the real battle is the pursuit of self-aggrandizement and futile material possession versus the realization of the value of selflessness and the ability to resist temptations of physicality and material wealth.

"All there is, is lessons." Have you heard that one?

So, why is Jesus so important then? Why should I buy a new book claiming that someone - finally - knows - the TRUTH! HALLELUJAH! - just exactly what went down 2,000 years ago when it is totally irrelevant to what is happening now? Also, what does the author, after writing "Holy Blood Holy Grail," have to do to outsell Dan Brown? Print what seems like a logical argument -  that Jesus didn't have mutant powers - that's an easy tale to sell. Whether its worth the money you pay for to read it, versus exercising your cognitive functions for yourself and still having 20 bucks to blow on a nice vegetarian dinner and an ice cream cone... now that's the real question for you to decide.

Still all irrelevant though, unless if you have a hard-on for history. Egypt couldn't save itself, so why are we reading these stories for their factual value?

Souls learn, though. Souls with a mission have learned great amounts in all their lifetimes. Souls of both STS and STO alignment have learned a great deal in seeking to attain the embellishment of their high ideals. It might seem, rather, that STS forces are better suited for this physical environment, this 3rd density, but part of the "final battle" you are so ancy about is the fact that the playing field will be evened out, and balance will be sought by this Earth...

As far as I'm concerned, one can join the bandwagon, that is - pick up an automatic rifle, kill some "terrorists", retire back at the homeland with a job something akin to a lawyer or politician, snort coke, raise kids, keep homosexuals from ruining the sanctity your marriage, and join the perpetual rat race that is the STS Wheel of Fortune....

or realize the futility of the matrix control system, the brainwashing, the Hollywood production value mind programming, and the prison that fear and anticipation of Armeggeddon brings to one's self... and become a channel for some real positivity.

Either way, one would ultimately tipping the scale in the direction of balance... Mother Earth could grow heavy in a short amount of time with STS waste and do some sommersaults to get her systems back in line, or one could fight-the-fight-that's-not-worth-actually-physically-fighting and just 'be excellent to one another.'

There's no need to look deeper into the shrouded texts that have been pushed onto mankind with such violence and misery in the process. The sheer importance of living in the moment to the best of your ability is enough dedication to the principles and values behind the heart of humanity.

Anyway... keep searching and reading and figuring things out. Don't hesitate to double check with others. Becareful of your sources. Don't buy into anything, just believe it or not. Take what you will from information and know that the choices you make are what is most important, not the choices that you convince others to make to your credit.

I REALLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS WERE TRYING SAY IN YOUR LAST POST!
I ALSO DON'T THINK YOU UNDERSTANDWERE IAM TRYING TO GO WITH THIS ALSO SO WITH THAT IN MIND TRY TO KEEP UP

This is what I've been told about the 144,444
1.They get a personnel invite by a hyper-D being.
2.If they accept the invitation, they cannot begout at the last momment. If you say yes your in.
3.You must be born into the religion, you cannot get a invite if you have been converted to christianity.  So if you were part of a eastern religion and converted to the west you will not be invited to join the 144,444(Red flag)
4. Any person who was a christian that was born before Jesus does not get an invite. So Moses, David and others -no invites, will have to live on earth, be resurrected again.
5.The remaining others who are part of the 144,444, are all residing in NewYork at the watchtower society, for the most.ALL ARE EUROPEAN! (RED FLAG)
I found something very strang in their literature!
This christian sect, even has a rebutile, for people of color, it says " If some one says, the bible is whities book, as in white people! The person is to respond; well these are the people god has choosen for his purpose.

( Interesting! whities Book! they could not use the word European or even All American lol! And they went out of their way to show that to my AfroAmerican friend, even through he made no racial comments at all. )
Also

( Baptist, Catholics, and others do not have this belief) I've studied all of them! 

AND ONCE AGAIN THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TAUGHT!  YOU WANTED TO KNOW, I TOLD YOU, DON'T JUMP DOWN MY THROAT!

Also

The stories on the website I posted, that talk about the Eygptian, Moses, King Daid, etc. are diffirent form bible stories, they are more believe able. They don't talk about theses people as if they were supernatural. 
Thats why I read the many versions of these stories, so I can get a since of what is fact and what is myth.

There is a book called the Jesus Paper's, that's out in book stores now. It talks about Jesus in a whole new light;and not ask the supernatural being that cured the sick, but as a political activist who was setup by local militants for not obeying their instructions and caring out his mission.
It talk about jesus being in the Eygptian temples and learning form the teachers their.

ALSO

People haven't evolved in our short history!  Man is no smarter now, then he was 5,000. Were no better or worse, morally also. The pyrimids we still don't know how they were built, and those people built them with out mordern technology.  We still have wars! People are still greedy, lustful, etc. same shit thosands of years ago.

With that in mind, if you read diffirent versions of christian stories, you begin to here the same themes! Piece it together! And say, I can see a human being doing this,  and whats unbelieveble dis regard it.
The reason i keep going back to Eygpt, Ethopia, Cush, and Nubia is because if they were all considered to be one emprire, who or what, broke it up! 
And put lighter skinned people in power, then adventurely put Rome in Power, and Rome is still in power to this day!

Here's that theme again, Take power form darker skinned people, impower white/European, so when the blond hair, blue eyed, hyper-D being comes to seize power and rule earth, people will already accept it.

THAT IS MY ARGUMENT!
STOP TIP TOEING AROUND IT!

NO MATER WHAT FORM I GO TO, NOBODY WILL TAKE ON THAT ANALAYSIS!
 
The reason I say read this story by this religion, and compare it with the women in  Karla Turner's case study, and it the same shit all over again! Greys, reptoids, and blond/Blue european looking Aliens!
There are also some christian themes in her case studies,and according to what i've been taught, they should not be there.
They did not get any great knowledge form these blond/blue aliens also, they were  treated like lab rats. So why are they here ?

There's the real mystery- who are these extra 444?   hmmmmmmm...

I was not aiming to begin a discussion about what was/ was not left out, etc.
I was just posing a few of those questions to illustrate why I was eventually led away from it.

One of my challenges lying ahead now is how to un-convert my best friend of 20+ years.

He has a difficult time seeing it as the trap that it is, I won't meddle too much or too long at one time.

He will occasionally shoot back with the "that's not you saying that, it's the demons" routine, when I propose
other ways of thinking.

I did that shit myself, now I feel like an idiot for doing it.

It's really only been in the last 2-3 years that I have been diligently trying to deprogram myself. What's really funny here is the fact that I was not raised to be of any one belief,
and a chain of events led me down the God path, I chose it myself.

My first 20 years I was a devout atheist, some would have called me a Satanist, if for no other reason than my denunciation of faith, and music I listened to, Iron Maiden, Slayer, Danzig, Death, etc..

I knew what the lyrics were about.
But I honestly don't believe they ever bled in, until I let them, Again, my fckup.

I am of the attitude as of now, that it is ALL discernment, you control your own auric barometer. 

That's probably not the best way I can describe it, but ehhhh.......

Deep within, we all do know what is right and wrong, and I believe we could get away with using the concepts of good and evil only for reference, as in, NO one is purely evil, and no one all good.

Beyond that we may be shooting ourselves in the foot.

                                                              J

"you will only get an Apocalyptic headache!"

well said.

I was actually surfing the channels last nite, stumbled on Jack Van Impe.

I haven't watched or followed him for a long time, so I thought, what the hell, let's see what he has to say about current stuff.

Well, after about 5 minutes of listening to him and his wife talk about the "foiled terror plot" and how thankful they were that God intervened, and how precariously balanced we are in these "endtimes"
I had more than my fill.

I was like HOLY...............CRAP!! I used to actually listen to this guy? I was stunned how fast the negativity got to me. I guess I didn't see it that way at all before..... I was held captive in that trance for quite a long time.

I'm finding out many of us have been down that road.......
                                                            J

In my personal quest, ye olde Bible stories and Good and Evil with a capital 'G' and 'E', respectively, play no role in my perception of what 'reality' is on Spaceship Earth, and what reality is definitely not.

Also, discussing theories on what was put into the Bible is all fine and what not if you're looking for casual conversation but, for real, that junk has been rewritten and edited into complete nonsensical trash - Its relevancy... to ANYTHING... is purely subjective.

No Bible-peddling please. 144,000, what?

Well according to christian documents, Moses is said to have wrote the old testament.
Genesis, Exodus, all the way up to Numbers. Peter and some other apostles wote the new testament and I forgot who else. But yes all of the bible material is surposed to be channeled from Jehovah, at least that's what I'VE been taught.

But the stories in the bible were all taken from Egypt. Theses were real Eyptian rulers, that the bible has made into mythical type beings.
There is a muesum in london that holds King David's burial artifacts. If you saw theses artifacts you would swear that it was Eygptian. But the bible writiers have went out of their way to seperate David, Moses, and Jesus from Eygpt.
Jesus himself also went back to the Eygptian pyramids temple , to learn form the teachers there, but that is not talk about in christianity.

There was some sort of knowledge in those temples that theses hyper D creatures were afraid of, this why Eygpt was moved out of power and the orignial people who use to live there, were all forced out.
If you have time, go to google or yahoo and type in the gospel according to Eygpt.

http://www.domainofman.com/ankhemmaat/david.html

What happened to the Apocrypha?

What parts did get left out or "edited"?

It seems very possible that the entire scenario could be a very complex mechanism for herding us gullible 3D humans in one direction, for loosh harvesting among oher things.

There are just too many holes, and inconsistencies, my psyche wants to go both ways here. I cannot discount the whole book. But I do not believe it is the be-all-end-all either. Some would call me a fence-sitter, I tend to think I am pretty neutral.

Something about giving away personal power, signing over control to an unseen hand, bothers me.

I'll use an example, you've probably heard "God helps those who helps themselves"

My immediate question is, OK, where does my "control"end, and His begin?

If things are not going the way I think they should be, is that because I did not do enough/pray enough, or because He did not find my request worthy of His assistance, or do I just sit here and wait for a sign?

Like montalk stated so very well "Parking and waiting for the exit is a contradiction"

Ok, so now if I am "too" pro-active then I have in fact sold a small portion of my faith, taken it from God's hand and now am selfishly using it wihout asking His approval?

These are the things that just feel to me like an "either-or", an impossible decision foisted upon mankind, who really does not have the wisdom to make these decisions or ponder these truths without asking for guidance.

And how is it I know who is "helping" at any given moment, you'd think a believer would just automatically know these things, that was/is not the case for me.

Maybe it is a lack of faith, but a lack of faith in what?

Or whom?

All I have to go on is the heart's logic, until I see Him myself, these questions remain for me.

Excellent discussion by the way, slade.

keep em comin'                       J

I heard or read somewhere "religion does not teach you to be a good person, it teaches you how to >pretend< to be a good person".

...And excellent points, guys.

That is a very true statement that I learned by experience! Goodness has to be in you nobody can teach you to be a good person.

To everybody I am not a christian, I am not here to convert anybody to that religion.

I ve read Allies of humanity, I've read chistian documents, in fact 144,444 thosand is a percise number.  They got names and pictures of the remaining people who are to go to heaven which are all European. That's a red flag!

Also the dates given in the Allies book, concerning the milatary, and the signing  of a treaty with the aliens; are not far off form bible dates,  given to which the evil forces were forced out of there dwelling place. (Tht's not an accident)

Also the spirtual knowledge you guys speak about is not something new! It was developed in Eygpt centuries ago. The eyptian's were a very advanced society in both spiritual matters and technology, something other worldly moved them out of power.

If these allies were so concerned about teaching use spiritually. Why did they move the eygptians out of power who were highy advanced in spiritual matters?   And today why are they only contacting European decent peoople today, and giving them this spiritual knowledge and trying to pretend that it's new?

Do you think these allies are going to come here, defeat our enemies and leave peacefully? Don't be foolish! You can't get something for nothing that is universial law!

They are hiding, both sides are hiding for us, because they are both positioning themselves for the take over. ( I think that what the goveronment knows) Read Karla Turner material, Her women's case over. There is an interesting story about a women  and her family being abducted by so called good forces, then the millatary pops up the next day, asking were are they hiding!

I love the line "if you choose not to decide- you still have made a choice"

There seems to be some real wisdom in that song.

"kindness that can kill" I think sums up what many people do- go way out of their way to "seem nice" when in reality they are putting up a facade.
Their hearts are not really in it.

I'm not saying this is always the case, but I heard or read somewhere "religion does not teach you to be a good person, it teaches you how to >pretend< to be a good person".

...And excellent points, guys.

You want to know who the real anti-Christ is? The collective shadow-self of humanity. Yes, there will be more than 144 000 people who will learn to uphold this side of themselves to the Light, but the change comes from within. So in a sense, no one or thing can "save" us, because only we have the power "to emancipate ourselves from mental slavery", only we have the power to free our minds, in the words of Bob Marley. There may be great changes in the coming years, but the change must first come from within inside. Do you see life as a prison, or as a place of infinite learning potential? A cell or a station wagon? A sloth or a donkey? A place full of sorrow, or a place full of hope?

Wow.  Couldn't have said it better.  Great post.

About the anti-Christ.  That makes much more sense!  It's always been around, which also means that the Christ-consciousness has always been around, waiting, and waiting for us to be it. 

Hmmmm, and Bob Marley!  His lyrics are so amazing and it's only been in the past two years that I've come to understand his deeper meaning connected with all-that-is and the current world events of the PTB.  Another who understands our 'reality'.

"None but ourselves can free our minds"