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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Lyra,&nbsp; thanks for posting that article.&nbsp; We watched a bit of that live earth concert that day and I recall trying to explain to my friends what a sham the whole deal was (is).&nbsp; Nice to see it written so clearly.</p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I&#039;ve always wondered about the &#039;60&#039;s and 70&#039;s.&nbsp; Did these couple of decades of&nbsp; changes didn&#039;t happen because of several specific events.&nbsp; For example, lots of women went into the workforce in the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s.&nbsp; I thought that happened because a lot of women whose mums had worked in the war machine of the 40&#039;s.&nbsp; These&nbsp; working mothers of the 40&#039;s may have valued the power that they had acquired as working women and passed it on to their children.&nbsp; Setting up the idea that women could work, have power, share the experiences and self actualization and sharing those dreams and regrets.&nbsp; </p><p>The same thing with the anti-war movement.&nbsp; I&#039;ve read biographies of WWII vets, and have met Korean Vets.&nbsp; It seems the reality of war, was so different than the fantasy of&nbsp; war.&nbsp; By that I remember my brother, and neighborhood friends playing soldiers, and it seemed fun to them.&nbsp; But reading the stories, hearing the tales, watching Band of Brothers,&nbsp; and the other war movies (and not the idealized movies of the 50&#039;s with all those blockbuster stars), the reality of war is so painful, and heartbreaking.&nbsp; Could it be that these dads, and uncles who survived shared how awful war was with their children as well as the widows, and the caretakers?&nbsp; Would that conciousness show up as anti war protest?</p><p>Then again, was it the literal explosion of mind expanding drugs changing the world of the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s?&nbsp; I know drugs were around in the 1800&#039;s, and every decade since.&nbsp; But it seems to me as I recall, that there appears to have been a correlation between explosive growth of everything, from the agricultural world to space technology and the idea of expanding one&#039;s mind-whether the mind expansion came from drugs or &quot;inner technology&quot; such as meditation.&nbsp; The drugs of the past 20 some odd years doesn&#039;t seem to have the intent to expand as much as amp up the users brain.</p><p>And John Lennon was a spokesman for peace and change.&nbsp; How many kids back then tried meditation because the boys (Beatles) were practicing it?&nbsp; </p><p>Wow, doesn&#039;t the stuff that Lennon got in trouble for back then, seem like a cakewalk compared to the things that happens with media icons today.</p><br /><br /><br /><br /><p>It certainly doesn&#039;t seem as if the superstars of today</p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Was looking for material on John Lennon in the Rense archives and found this new article written by David Icke on 7/16 that was really interesting.&nbsp; Thought it was worth posting.&nbsp; At first I was going to start a new thread for it since it gets into the global warming hoax and the rock stars who are being used to promote the agenda, but since it also talks about John Lennon, I figured it could just go here.&nbsp; </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>David Icke from 7/16/07 Newsletter wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><strong>Icke Blasts Rock Hypocrisy,<br />Warming Hoax<br />David Icke Newsletter<br />7-16-7</strong></p><p><strong>ROCK STARS LAUNCH THE &#039;LIVE CONCERT&#039; CONCERT ...</strong></p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/liveconcert.JPG" alt="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/liveconcert.JPG" /></span></p><br /><p>Hello all ...</p><p>Do you remember the days when &#039;rock stars&#039; were supposed to be rebellious? When they gave the symbolic finger to all that the establishment stood for?</p><p>It seems to me, with the odd exception, that this all died outside the Dakota apartment block in New York on December 8th 1980 when a mind-controlled Mark Chapman shot John Lennon. It was Lennon who said:</p><p>O&quot;ur society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we&#039;re being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I&#039;m liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That&#039;s what&#039;s insane about it.&quot;</p><p>I can&#039;t think of many mainstream rock stars who would say that publicly today - or this:</p><p>&quot;I believe in everything until it&#039;s disproved. So I believe in fairies, the myths, dragons. It all exists, even if it&#039;s in your mind. Who&#039;s to say that dreams and nightmares aren&#039;t as real as the here and now?&quot;</p><p>Lennon was a unique man who had understood much about reality and the illusory &#039;freedom&#039; of the &#039;free world&#039;. As he said in his song, Working Class Hero:</p><p>&quot;Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV<br />And you think you&#039;re so clever and classless and free<br />But you&#039;re still f*cking peasants as far as I can see&quot;</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/yokoandlennon.JPG" alt="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/yokoandlennon.JPG" /></span></p><p>Where is Lennon&#039;s like today in the music &#039;industry&#039;? The new &#039;rock rebels&#039; can be found playing at an ever-gathering stream of concerts with &#039;Live&#039; in their name. I am convinced these concerts must be part of a breeding programme, so often do they now appear. They and their stooges-on-stage are dedicated to &#039;saving Africa&#039; or &#039;saving the planet&#039; while serving the very forces of deceit and control that Lennon so memorably identified. The spider has them glued to its web.</p><p>Rockers like &#039;Prince of Darkness&#039; Ozzy Osborne and his wife have joined the club big-time and we have rock &#039;Sirs&#039; like Paul McCartney and 60&#039;s &#039;rebel&#039; Mick Jagger:</p><p>&#039;Will you walk into my parlour?&#039; said the Spider to the Fly, <br />&#039;Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy.&#039;</p><p>A profound expression of the establishment suction machine is the case of the honorary &#039;Sir&#039; Bob Geldof, another royal honour-bearer, and Bono of the band, U2. For me, Bono has always been more lightweight in his presentation of global injustice, but at the time of Live Aid in 1985 Geldof was magnificently outspoken about the system&#039;s built-in bias that blights the lands and lives of billions.</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/sirgeldof.JPG" alt="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/sirgeldof.JPG" /></span></p><p>What has happened to him since the surly became a &#039;Sir&#039;? The construct appears to have vibrated him into line. We now have the sight of Geldof praising Boy Bush for what he has &#039;done&#039; for Africa, and the same with Tony Blair and his successor as Prime Minister, Gordon Brown. Bono called them &#039;the John and Paul of the global development stage&#039; in his bid to be Sycophant of the Year.</p><p>A greater insult to Lennon, though not McCartney, is hard to conceive.</p><p>Blair and Brown are architects of the very rape of Africa and its like that Geldof once so brilliantly articulated. They both supported and instigated finance and action that has led to the death or maiming of more than a million civilians in the former Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq.</p><p>They supported and campaigned for sanctions against Iraq in the 1990s which, even according to United Nations figures, cost the lives of more than half a million children. As with all &#039;Western&#039; governments, their trade and finance policies have devastated countries in Africa.</p><p>Even so, Geldof told the Labour Party Conference that Blair and Brown had helped to change the political landscape by putting Africa at the top of the agenda at the 2005 G-8 summit in Gleneagles, Scotland, when, in reality, Gleneagles was all a show, a sleight of hand to which Geldof, Bono and their &#039;Live-8&#039; rock concert gave essential cover. </p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/bushbono.JPG" alt="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/bushbono.JPG" /></span></p><p>It wasn&#039;t that they meant to, but they became so close to the manipulators they fell for the manipulation. Now Geldof and Bono rightly complain that the promises for Africa made at Gleneagles have not been delivered. Of course not, chaps. They were never meant to be.</p><p>But the Live-8 concert in London before the summit gave the impression of people power at work and the political leaders gave the impression that they succumbed to that pressure when it was just a magic trick with the rock stars of Live-8 used to pedal the deception.</p><p>Rock stars don&#039;t change anything anymore because the system has them by their guitar strings, not least because they walk or strut on the stage in ignorance of the cause they are supposed to be supporting. Anyway, a worldwide audience on live television? Crikey, can&#039;t miss out on all that PR and name-awareness. Think of the record sales. They&#039;re not all like that, but for sure many of them are.</p><p>This week came a new low in the concert circus with &#039;Live Earth&#039;, the global manipulation of reality to sell the lie that rising temperature is caused by human activity, thus giving the manipulators the excuse for more taxation, global laws and centralised control to &#039;save the world&#039;. </p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/algoresaveworld.JPG" alt="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/algoresaveworld.JPG" /></span></p><p>The Illuminati front man for this grotesque misrepresentation of &#039;climate change&#039; is the practising Satanist, the so-appropriately named, Al Gore, who was given free-range on worldwide television to deliver the deceit that human-created carbon dioxide threatens our very existence. Gore used 221,000 kilowatt hours of electricity in 2006, 20 times the American national average, but, hey, don&#039;t criticise the High Priest of the Carbon Cult or we&#039;ll dub you a &#039;global warming denier&#039;, you horrible person. </p><p>The official companion publication to Live Earth is the Live Earth Global Warming Survival Handbook written by David Mayer de Rothschild, son of the notorious Sir Evelyn de Rothschild, and tool of the Rothschild dynasty, one of the most central and influential of the Illuminati satanic bloodlines. </p><p>The fact that these concerts at locations across the world took place on July 7th - 7/7 - the same day as the London bombings in 2005 (the week of Live-8) is no coincidence, either. The same force ultimately behind those terrorist attac<br />ks that killed more than 50 people is ultimately behind the global warming con.</p><p>First of all the hypocrisy on display if, as the rock stars believe, carbon dioxide is the culprit. The following are figures estimated by the London Daily Mail:</p><p>* Live Earth&#039;s &#039;carbon footprint&#039; was 34,722 tons (82,122 tons if you include the television audience).</p><p>* The shows generated 1,130 tons of trash, some of which will go into landfills.</p><p>* Many of the stars, through their extensive touring on private jets, have &#039;carbon footprints&#039; up to 200 times higher than that of the average Briton.</p><p>* Performers travelled an estimated 222,623 air miles to take part.</p><p>Matt Bellamy, front man of the rock band Muse, called it &#039;private jets for climate change&#039;, but irony of ironies, while the concert was criticised for its &#039;carbon footprint&#039;, the real point continued to be missed:</p><p>Of course pollution is not a good thing, but it is NOT the cause of global warming - the Shadow People just want us to think it is to trigger all the benefits for them in justifying more central control of the planet.</p><p>Temperatures have been rising because the Sun has been releasing more solar radiation and this can be seen in the corresponding increase in sunspot activity - enormous explosions of energy on the Sun&#039;s surface that can be as big as the Earth, some as big as Jupiter.</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/sunspots.JPG" alt="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/sunspots.JPG" /></span></p><p>Sunspots</p><p>Increased solar radiation has two main effects on the Earth&#039;s temperature. Firstly the obvious one, a &#039;hotter&#039; Sun means a hotter Earth. Secondly, increased solar radiation reduces the amount of so-called cosmic rays reaching the Earth and it is the interaction of cosmic rays and water vapour that form clouds. The fewer clouds, the more heat from the Sun gets through.</p><p>The graphs of sunspot activity, high and low, and cosmic rays, high and low, to the corresponding rise or fall in the temperature on Earth are blatant confirmation of the fundamental relationship between the two.</p><p>For example, sunspot activity rose from long before the Industrial Revolution until 1940 and then fell to 1975 before increasing again from then until now. The Earth&#039;s temperature went up until 1940, fell until 1975, and has been rising ever since.</p><p>In fact, during that period up to 1975 when the temperature was falling there were television documentaries about fears of a new Ice Age!</p><p>Other planets, like Mars, Jupiter and Saturn are experiencing rising temperatures because of the increased solar radiation and how can their climate change be explained by human-generated carbon dioxide??</p><p>When this point was put to global warming &#039;expert&#039; and Live Earth supporter David Mayer de Rothschild, he said that those planets were getting warmer because they were &quot;closer than the Earth to the Sun.&quot; !! I know, I always recommend deep breaths and a cup of sweet tea.</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/solarmap.JPG" alt="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/solarmap.JPG" /></span></p><p>For David&nbsp; Rothschild&#039;s benefit only</p><p>These are the mind-numbing depths to which the global warming &#039;debate&#039; has descended. Ask the stars on the Live Earth stage about global warming and they would just parrot the official line having done no research whatsoever of their own. To have done so would have been to tell Gore and co where to stick it.</p><p>Instead they have added their voices to the insanity that is gathering pace by the hour about the threat of extinction by global warming. I received an email the other day detailing the campaign of a group calling itself &lt;<a href="http://www.avaaz.org/en/about.php">http://www.avaaz.org/en/about.php</a>&gt;Avaaz.org: The World In Action&nbsp; which claims to be active in 125 countries.</p><p>It says that Live Earth reached millions of people, but now they needed to &#039;... get started with the rest of the world&#039;. It wants to &#039;turn the moment into an unstoppable global movement - the climate crisis demands nothing less&#039;. It urges people to pledge their support for their country joining &#039;an international treaty within the next two years that cuts global warming pollution by 90% in developed countries and by more than half worldwide in time for the next generation to inherit a healthy earth&#039;.</p><p>That is straight from the Illuminati wish-list.</p><p>Some sanity is breaking out here and there, though. Scott Armstrong, an international expert on forecasting methods, publicly challenged Gore this week to put his money where his manipulation is. Armstrong faxed and posted his &#039;Global Warming Challenge&#039; to Gore which invited him to bet $10,000 that his alarming temperature predictions are correct over the next ten years. Armstrong would put up $10,000 in support of his contention that Gore is monumentally wrong. He said:</p><p>Gore says there are scientific forecasts that the Earth will become warmer very rapidly. But I have not found a scientific forecast that supports that view. There are forecasts made by scientists, of course, but they are very different from a scientific forecast.</p><p>The only way Armstrong can lose his bet is if the technology exists, as with the HAARP project in the United States, to influence Earth temperature artificially. HAARP, or the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, based in Alaska, targets the ionosphere, the uppermost part of the atmosphere. HAARP certainly has the potential to change the weather; the question is to what extent? </p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/liveearth.JPG" alt="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/liveearth.JPG" /></span></p><p>One of the greatest of ironies in the Live Earth scam is that having &#039;concerted&#039; for Africa several times, the same rock stars and their successors are now campaigning for measures to &#039;save the planet&#039; that will pull up the ladder on Africa and prevent those countries using the technologies of the &#039;West&#039;. But then, contradictions are identified by research and contemplation and little of that seems to go on among the music &#039;intelligentsia&#039; of the private-jet-set.</p><p>Anyway, you can&#039;t be against the global warming establishment in today&#039;s politically-correct music establishment. That would be real bad for your image as a rock star who cares. Any chance of a rock star who thinks and challenges the prevailing propaganda? </p><p>Oh, sorry, forgot. Someone shot him.</p><p><a href="http://www.rense.com/general77/concert.htm">http://www.rense.com/general77/concert.htm</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Anyway, thought that was interesting.&nbsp; &nbsp;Maybe it could go in the G8 thread from long ago as well......</p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Well, finally saw this movie since it just came out on DVD.&nbsp; It was interesting, worth renting for anybody who&#039;s a fan of John Lennon.&nbsp; &nbsp;It&#039;s pretty much exactly an hour and a half, and I think they maybe could have done a little bit more with it, such as expanding on the assassination itself.&nbsp; They play it safe though.&nbsp; Several years ago I saw an interview clip of Sean Lennon blatantly stating that he believed the CIA was behind his dad&#039;s assassination, specifically because his dad had so much power and sway over the public and they couldn&#039;t have that.&nbsp; It&#039;s too much of a threat.&nbsp; So something like that would have been nice to include at the end, a little bit more expansion on the assassination conspiracy instead of just promoting the lie that it was a deranged everyday regular dude acting on his own accord.&nbsp; For an hour and a half they show you just how much Lennon was on the government&#039;s radar, and I guess they hope the viewer will make the connection for themselves.&nbsp; </p><p>There&#039;s no doubt though that Lennon had incredible charisma and smarts, a very quick, clever guy as evidenced in the interview clips throughout.&nbsp; One big thing that I came away with after watching this movie was the whole Vietnam war protest movement, of which John Lennon was a major player in.&nbsp; But there have been war protests throughout the Iraq debacle, including marches on Washington, and a couple of big name activists, such as Cindy Sheehan, some Hollywood celebs and the whole &quot;Not in My Name&quot; petition, but it still seems like nothing compared to what they did back in Vietnam, where they had people like Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman, and actual songs, and protests on a constant basis.&nbsp; I think people have just given up at this point.&nbsp; I know I feel like I have, like, what&#039;s the point, the stuff running the show here has gotten so huge, so out of control that there&#039;s no stopping it.&nbsp; They flagrantly stole the elections and have been in office for almost 8 years with no chance of impeachment, otherwise it would have already happened, and they&#039;ve wreaked havoc on the world and killed countless people.&nbsp; But I was watching this documentary wishing we had that same fighting spirit as they had back then.&nbsp; The whole time period was an explosion though, because they also had the civil rights movement mixed in, with Martin Luther King, the Black Panthers (Bobby Seale is interviewed for this movie as well) etc.&nbsp; Just a huge explosive time period from all angles.&nbsp; Right now there&#039;s nothing going on, it&#039;s just Iraq happening in the background as the public goes about its life on autopilot.&nbsp; So that&#039;s probably a big reason for the lack of fiery protest on a constant basis. </p><p>Anyway, just my thoughts after watching this movie last night....</p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Athenais, <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Perhaps our differences of opinion lie in the degree in which Tavistock controlled them. Truth beknown there may have been at least a handful of other bands in ramp up mode during 1956-60. I would also contend that the Beatles were well aware of the would be successors who could be readily brought in if they balked or failed in their mission. I may well be throwing the baby out with the bath water here , but the overall magnitude of this ruse forces me to attribute 99% of their success to social engineering. At 14 when they broke up I was emotionally wrecked. I did believe that they were going to change the world and bought into it all. I see them for what they really were now, four talented guys {hordes of those} , seasoned in the bars, broke, addicted to various opiates and thus easy pickins for the selling off of their artistic integrity.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Athenais wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>McCartney didn&#039;t want to play the game either, that&#039;s why he was replaced with a double.</p></blockquote></div><p>I think that&#039;s one conspiracy too far for me. I&#039;m not convinced Paul was replaced at all. I&#039;ve read most of the websites about this, seen the photographs, and studied the supposed &#039;clues&#039;, so I&#039;m quite familiar with this conspiracy theory. However, I still don&#039;t buy it. </p><p>I just don&#039;t think it would have been a risk worth taking for TPTB and I can&#039;t see what good purpose would have been served by it. He was only a popstar at the end of the day. Given that hundreds of people must have known Paul, this could so easily have been exposed, and I just don&#039;t buy that someone could suddenly pretend to be one of the most famous people in the world, and pull it off - no matter how close the physical resemblance might have been. There&#039;s a heck of a lot more to accurately impersonating a person than just looking like them.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>ShineOn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Athenais,<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; While I do agree with most of what you said the notion that the Beatles emerged naturally unfortunately is doubtful. They were a key cog in the Aquarian conspriacy, brought about to drive teens from parents and facillitate expanded recreational drug use. They absolutely reek of Tavistock manipulation. From their guttersnipe days in Hamburg they get pressure washed and buffed to a new acceptable image to work their way onto the American music scene.Even their much publicized arrival in New York was a staged event ,with the core of the adorning fans being actually a very small group of New York city catholic high school girls being bused over for the photo op. I do consider them to be among the greatest change agents this world has ever known. They were a modern day trojan horse., appealling on the outside with a very dangerous working core on the inside.</p></blockquote></div><p>Their talent and appeal was natural.&nbsp; I believe it was their soul purpose to bring light to the world through music.&nbsp; They were born for that purpose.&nbsp; Even the Tavistock think tanks can&#039;t manufacture musical genius out of nowhere.&nbsp; They look for people who already have it, and manipulate it to their own purposes.&nbsp; The Beatles were targeted from the beginning by intelligence forces who wanted to use them as tools for cultural change.&nbsp; I don&#039;t understand why you think you are disagreeing with me on this.&nbsp; </p><p>Some people have gone so far as to say that John and Paul&#039;s songwriting was induced by hypnosis or electronic manipulation.&nbsp; I could agree that it was influenced, but certainly not created by external manipulation.&nbsp; I also don&#039;t think that the reaction people had to them was manufactured in the slightest.&nbsp; It was harnessed and amplified by staged events, yes.</p><p>Some of Faul&#039;s first interviews after taking over Paul&#039;s identity were to announce to the press that he had taken LSD.&nbsp; The agenda there is pretty obvious...</p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Athenais,<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; While I do agree with most of what you said the notion that the Beatles emerged naturally unfortunately is doubtful. They were a key cog in the Aquarian conspriacy, brought about to drive teens from parents and facillitate expanded recreational drug use. They absolutely reek of Tavistock manipulation. From their guttersnipe days in Hamburg they get pressure washed and buffed to a new acceptable image to work their way onto the American music scene.Even their much publicized arrival in New York was a staged event ,with the core of the adorning fans being actually a very small group of New York city catholic high school girls being bused over for the photo op. I do consider them to be among the greatest change agents this world has ever known. They were a modern day trojan horse., appealling on the outside with a very dangerous working core on the inside.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>McCartney didn&#039;t want to play the game either, that&#039;s why he was replaced with a double.&nbsp; It&#039;s the replacement who was knighted for serving the monarchy, because he is a &quot;monarch&quot; slave.&nbsp; </p><p>The real James Paul McCartney was as much of a rebel as John, that&#039;s why they got on so well.&nbsp; Paul never would have sold out the way his replacement did.&nbsp; In those last months before he was replaced you can see that he was really angry, he was sick of what he was having to live with.&nbsp; On the butcher album cover they were all sending a strong message and Paul especially looks so angry in those photos.&nbsp; Look at the songs they were writing.&nbsp; Paul was saying &quot;I wanna be a paperback writer&quot; in other words, get me out of this job I&#039;m doing.&nbsp; John was saying &quot;Help!&quot; and it doesn&#039;t get any more direct than that.&nbsp; They were in deep shit even then, and they couldn&#039;t come right out and say what was happening.&nbsp; They just tried every way possible to get the message across, in the songs, in the album covers.&nbsp; But no one took them seriously, and a lot of people still don&#039;t, because they are too caught up in their fantasies about what the Beatles meant to them.</p><p>Considering what they have done with Paul&#039;s image and persona, how they have corrupted it, it&#039;s natural that anyone would have a negative view of him...it just makes me really ill that people don&#039;t understand that the real Paul was NOT like that.&nbsp; They have made Paul McCartney into a caricature, and it&#039;s not right.&nbsp; As far as I understand it, John and George both died for that, they were basically sacrificed just to keep the lie going.&nbsp; And the whole point of it from the beginning was control, because they ALL had the potential to influence people in positive ways.&nbsp; The Beatles were just too charismatic, and the music was so joyful.&nbsp; People acted like it was the second coming.&nbsp; They all lined up, people in wheelchairs, blind people, sick people, asking if one of the boys could just put their hands on them, because they believed they could be healed.&nbsp; No musical group before or since has ever had such an intense impact on people, and it was entirely natural, it was not manufactured in any way...but the powers that be took note of what was happening and decided to go ahead and allow them to become famous, so they could twist it all around for evil purposes.&nbsp; It&#039;s also likely that they had tabs on John long before he even wrote his first song, so maybe they planted the idea in him that he had to be bigger than Jesus or Elvis to be worth something just so he would have the drive to push himself to the top.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=53393#p53393</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Also, I have to agree with treehugger, people&#039;s faces do change,&nbsp; but I wouldn&#039;t think their bone structure would change....</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: The U.S. vs. John Lennon]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=53392#p53392</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Here&#039;s a thought....What is it called when a scientist constructs a face starting from the skull, then adds the skin and hair to completion to find out who a person is?? Now, what if someone did the same, in reverse, digitally, with the two photos of lennon? Deconstructs the face...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: The U.S. vs. John Lennon]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=53384#p53384</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the premise that John was &#039;eliminated&#039; because of his <strong>potential</strong>. I grew up in the era of the Beatles and absorbed everything about them as individuals and their music. There was something very special about Lennon, and my own spirit felt a congruency with him from day&nbsp; one. He&#039;s a natural born rebel! A healthy thing. Unlike McCartney, Lennon didn&#039;t want to play anyone else&#039;s game. (Although I think Yoko may have derailed him, but you never know what goes on between two people... I just didn&#039;t like her.) But John did have tremendous charisma and the guts to speak his mind. He was very intelligent and as evidenced in many of his songs, was way ahead of his time as a thinker. Given the huge influence that the Beatles had on a powerful generation, its not difficult to see why the PTB may have not wanted to risk what he may inspired in the culture. &#039;Sir&#039; Paul McCartney on the other hand, played the game and was rewarded appropriately with his title of &#039;knighthood&#039; by the queen. Mick Jagger too, interestingly. They both played the parts of the script they were handed, however contrastingly. But I see John as someone that would not play to the script of anyone. He was&nbsp; just too indendent and the Truth mattered to him. </p><p>Interesting, yes, that this film comes out now. There seems to be alot of info coming out unrestrained these days. My own feeling is that there is a lot going on in the invisible world. (psychic warfare) I think the status quo is crumbling, and in its death throes, and may take the earth and its inhabitants down with it, but there something much better that will eventually arise out of it. I say, &#039;let it come&#039;, because the insanity of this world is harder to take with each passing day. Still, we are here for a reason. One cannot stop the evolution of consciousness. It&#039;s simply time for it to happen. I highly reccommend the reading of Michael St. Clair&#039;s phenomenal book, &quot;The Zen of the Stars&#039; for gaining a deeper perspective on the times we are living in. Just reading the book will change you. It has me.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52713#p52713</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Wow, kudos from Zenden. I&#039;ll walk with a little lighter step for the rest of the day!....I look forward to your lunar guided followup. It probably could have stood on it&#039;s own as a thread as opposed to being tacked onto this one. I just wouldn&#039;t want your further insights getting lost in an older thread. This forum is generally good for one small amazement daily and today is no exception. Thanks !</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: The U.S. vs. John Lennon]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52710#p52710</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>My dear ShineOn.&nbsp; OH MY GOD.&nbsp; and, i had to get out the mop.&nbsp; and start cleaning and &quot;analogging&quot; and almost croaked when u showed this website.&nbsp; im in utter belief/and utter disbelief at the same time.&nbsp; i cannot fathom how i have not seen this website/blog until now.&nbsp; the gratitude i have for this is unreal.&nbsp; it has almost all my cross-pollinated hypotheses in here.&nbsp; and i went on and read and have bookmarked it, as it draws into so many of the deals/associations with so many of the concepts i have perused and digested, as we all have, that will lead us into/thru whats &quot;aboard.&quot;&nbsp; much of the studying i have done has lead me to this.&nbsp; particularly...</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>.... or opened the stargate? The different terminology disguises the same experience (or being-ness) which Lennon, either quite naturally or with the help of drugs, was well acquainted with. Such exalted consciousness- which is not the same thing as sainthood- is also described in the Grail lore: indeed, it is the Holy Grail. Thus, as noted above, we are able to do much more than merely tangentially associate Lennon with this occult myth; for Lennon was bloodline, a part of the Grail Family itself. It has been said of the Grail Family that &#039;From the Devil they come, and to the Devil they will return&#039;- and there was certainly much darkness in the Lennon psyche which he failed to fully master.&nbsp; This, however, is a trait for which the bloodline are famed, for in them the polarities meet and are reconciled.</p></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Isn&#039;t it this- the delightful perversity with which all bloodline are familiar- which explains Lennon&#039;s flirtation with the Dark Ones, alongside his imaginations of a world of peace and brotherly love?</p></blockquote></div><p>the big post im gonna do comes in here and ive been researching and gathering to show it. and its got great info and will explain so much, if anyone&#039;s buying.&nbsp; the new full moon happens after 12 noon today, and then tomorrow says to be a good day for occult writings/musings. so will wait, for the hell of it.&nbsp; theres alot to it and im excited. it blends so much with what is/can be found.&nbsp; that term &#039;occult&#039; really upset my father&#039;s lawyer, when i accused him of it and flashed my mason ring at him to screw him up, when it really only means HIDDEN.&nbsp; so much is revealing and coming out into play.&nbsp; we have seen/felt so much be revealed.&nbsp; one new breakthru i had is that i realized less than 48 hrs ago, that WE ARE the DOORWAYS.&nbsp; we are the / become the exit/sidedoors.&nbsp; we ARE the actual portals themselves.&nbsp; WE go IN to do it.&nbsp; and the OUT is IN/thru to get&#039;er done. its a refined notion of the concept of remembering who we are and the notion of seeking.&nbsp; the telomeres are firing, along with the tachyons, and we become and are doing it now, the way thru, from IN.&nbsp; not even an exit nor a &#039;fix&#039;, as SiriArc and others have said all along.&nbsp; but a transfiguration and a transmutation. and even those 2 are different concepts.&nbsp; the 2 become 3 and not one.&nbsp; as in 3 and not &quot;one&quot; and thats a key.&nbsp; it does make a &quot;new&quot; human, as it makes a new heaven.&nbsp; u gotta have one for the other.&nbsp; AHA.&nbsp; </p><p>apparently, that 3 idea , is big -- a big one.&nbsp; and i will back that up and show.&nbsp; soul and spirit, and self.&nbsp; == 3&nbsp; finally conjoined in the &quot;new human&quot; which will be automatic.&nbsp; just gotta be aware and pay attention.&nbsp; its what we have been doing and BE-ing all along.&nbsp; as in/an en-LIGHT-en-END BE-ing.&nbsp; im really gettin it.&nbsp; and will show u guys, if buying.&nbsp; and its very tasty and sweet and good.&nbsp; and rather cheap, and simple.&nbsp; i say cheap, as i can say that now, after all these years, and scars, and spiritual depression, and anger, and then laugh, cuz u gotta.&nbsp; &nbsp;see, now it is simple.&nbsp; but we had to come this far and get here. in the now to see it and re-claim it, easily.&nbsp; as in &quot;cost-effective&quot;.&nbsp; thats what i mean.&nbsp; we can just let go of the prices paid to see, and after all, nothing else to do whilst getting &quot;there&#039; as we had to &#039;live&#039; anyway.&nbsp; something to do on the planet...LIVE in order to SEE and FEEL.&nbsp; a by-product of it, so as expected.&nbsp; no problem, we made it this far.&nbsp; so will read on and be so damn pleased with this.&nbsp; alot is very much in GRATITUDE which is another deal, apparently quite necessary.&nbsp; we can go with that, and will.&nbsp; its a culmination of DNA, Blood, the sun, gnosis, sophia, mirror self, and the shadow, along with recapitulation, and of course, the meat of remembering, and allowing.&nbsp; the galactic wave we hop on board with. already have.&nbsp; its getting really good.&nbsp; </p><p>thanks so much for that website and ppl can check out as its massively got great info. the connections and ties are phenomenal.&nbsp; im very busy reading and cleaning and will get going more later.&nbsp; a total thanks to u Shine.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>We can&#039;t let a Lennon thread die....now can we? Here&#039;s a great piece on Lennon with some very interesting angles.</p><br /><p><a href="http://ben-fairhall.blogspot.com/2006/11/above-us-only-sky.html">http://ben-fairhall.blogspot.com/2006/1 … y-sky.html</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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