As I said, I doubt it. But perhaps I could be convinced? To quote a possum:

"It's possible, it's possible!"

And thanks to Auendove and Saracen mentioning miso, I bought some miso paste as well...didn't know it comes fresh in the refrigerated section. It sure beats ramen. mmmm. miso.

Lemme know what to bring over...

Well... I am partial to things that are green and alive Sisterella. Blossoms work well for me too.  You'll be in FL soon?  We'll plan a Green Tea party.

Ahem, now back to Kefir...

Kefir is known very well here and people think it's originated from Eastern Asia from old Turkish tribes who came to Anatolia as raiders around 1000 AD. There is another version of it here known as "ayran". Just mix kefir with more water & salt and drink it cold. A great salty drink with meals.

Thank you feritciva, I have some saltwater kefir "cooking" right now. I normally ingest what most people would consider excessive amounts anyway so this is something I should enjoy immensely...:)

Montalk, if probiotics  appeal to you, you might want to try MIso. There's a link in my mixed bag post in the links section. It's a fermented soy product that has been shown to combat radiation sickness. I'd love to send some to iraq to counteract all that depleted uranium. People in oriental countries drink miso soup in the morning instead of coffee. The "buzz" is similar but not as "peaky" and longer lasting. Good stuff, comes in many different varieties.

Even McDonalds had ayran in their menus here, because when they first came here in 80's they found out that ayran is asked very much instead of cola.

Both kefir and ayran is very good probiotics as you mentioned, kefir also known and used as anti-allergic here in Turkey.

Where did you get your kefir starter grains?

We get ours from http://www.celtic-seasalt.com/ It's distributed by a place called Body Ecology at http://bodyecologydiet.com/pages_new/re … kefir.html

I find the manna story to be not only possible but so far I've been unable to find a flaw with that reasoning. The question then becomes "was there a comet during the exodus?" I think there's enough evidence to point to that as being a distinct possibility so......why not? :=)

I can check my copy of the C's transcripts but I'm pretty certain they said at one point not to allow living things inside a pyramid that Laura was thinking of constructing.

Where did you get your kefir starter grains? Kefir sounds like a superior probiotics supplement. In reading that website, I find it interesting that real kefir requires some portion of a previous batch to make, and that no one has been able to create it from scratch - meaning combining the constituent bacteria and yeasts in a lab does not result in the same stuff. So modern real kefir has a direct linearge to ancient kefir.

So if a new batch requires some of a previous batch, then where did the original batch come from? The website proposes some common myths/theories, one being that kefir originally was a gift from Allah, another suggesting it started with manna.

Velikovsky's theory is that manna was a form of hydrocarbon that fell from a passing comet thousands of years ago (during the biblical time of the Exodus). Hydrocarbons can come in many forms, including sugars. It's what sustained the surivivors of the comet passage after all food sources were wiped out.  Well, comets are suspected of harboring viruses and bacteria, so perhaps this could be true...sugary substances from the sky carried with them the specific bacteria which then formed the first kefir starter culture. Another possibility is that kefir began as just some naturally fermented milk and generations of propagation by people helped this evolve into a non-replicable robust batch of lifeforms.

Probiotics are good to take anyway, and kefir milk seems to have more varities and concentrations of flora than normal probiotic supplements. So it seems to me that kefir would be rich with etheric energy from all the microorganisms in it, more so than yoghurt for example which has fewer and strains at lower concentrations. More etheric energy would mean greater vitality and longevity in those who ingest it. Wonder what would happen if you cultured it inside a pyramid...

It's basically a cultured milk product like yogurt. I tastes like thin sour cream and would make a great salad dressing.

Two parts I find especially interesting are the idea that kefir may have originated from "manna" falling into milk and the practice of mixing various herbs in with it to strengthen their effectiveness. I'm currently experimenting with my asthma/allergy mix, veil piercing mix, and cardio mix. If you add honey to the kefir it tastes like you're drinking a cheesecake.....mmmmm.....

Experiments are underway to see if the kefir culture will take hold with the honey added BEFORE it's cultured. Hope the antibiotic properties of the honey don't stop the culture.  We'll see I guess.