<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom">
	<title type="html"><![CDATA[Noble Realms — Handbook of the Navigator]]></title>
	<link rel="self" href="https://forum.noblerealms.org/extern.php?action=feed&amp;tid=3652&amp;type=atom" />
	<updated>2006-09-29T18:49:33Z</updated>
	<generator>PunBB</generator>
	<id>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3652</id>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Handbook of the Navigator]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44898#p44898" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s interesting how the path is so unique for each. <br />The truth is everywhere when it can be discerned from &quot;belief&quot;, religion and propaganda.</p><p>For this &quot;inner navigator&quot; to be intuited, contacted, engaged, lived in, there only need be true interest and also some knowledge of what constitutes a dead end, so we are not just spinning wheels with some new conditioned way of looking at things, replacing the old conditioning. <br />WE NEED to know what doesn&#039;t work for our true goals. And that&#039;s described in negative terms. How else can you say it?<br />IT DOES NOT WORK to trust in others words and beliefs, for example, with out making it &quot;your own&quot;</p><p>People good with words and some level of understanding can sell you systems, c.d.&#039;s books, programs etc. PROMISES are enticing.<br />Don&#039;t believe it, if they tell you it will lead to awakening. <br />Only you can do that. no-one else can make it happen for you.<br />as long as you understand this, it&#039;s all good.<br />to begin earnestly is not dependent on anything external. <br />You can do it with or without a teacher or guide.</p><br /><p>To be Awake is to see what is front of us, not holy or unholy...as is.<br />The conditioned, programmed mind we normally use without noticing, sees same and interprets it based on the past or second hand info. <br />awakening is the ability to learn for oneself, moment by moment.<br />to seek meditation techniques and &quot;prana&quot; (of which we are made of anyway) may be a useful stage if one has not done it.<br />discipline=disciple=interest.<br />to admit not knowing and listen.<br />Nobody wants to admit knowing nothing, and everybody wants to be told &quot;how to do it&quot;. But it doesn&#039;t work that way.</p><p>You must eventually through whatever methods, find out for yourself firsthand... for it to be more than an intellectual understanding. (but even this is important to understand what you trying to &quot;achieve&quot; to some extent at first!)</p><p>definitely meditate, but what do you need to know? postures?<br />sit up straight, and listen.<br />not to any one/thing specifically, but inwardly, <br />where the silence is or is not.<br />Get off brain dope of any kind, those systems and c.d.&#039;s that put you in a trance or whatever, more manipulation from &quot;outside&quot;. </p><p>no manipulation, this is the first key. <br />let go and listen to what&#039;s here openly.</p><p>Question, and frame appropriate questions, the simpler the better. <br />If you find one that&#039;s centers on what you hope to find out; <br />for example &quot;Who am i&quot; &quot;what is this&quot; &quot;where am i&quot; etc<br />then stick with it, not mechanically, but with fresh looking.</p><p>question constantly, inwardly, whenever the mind is not engaged.<br />the inner vortex gets stronger with breathing aligning effortlessly with this still questioning mind state.<br />energy rests in lower half of body, the breathing gets more refined as you get more still, until you are almost always in contact with the breath in your belly. <br />Is this technique?&nbsp; it might start that way... but ends up being awareness...no force or pressure...allowing it to be there.</p><p>patience is the other key but comes by itself when interest and discernment are there</p><p>&quot;The way&quot; is simple. <br />Most prefer to believe in a guru, master, book, system, technique. <br />Is technique useful at times? Yes. <br />Does it bring you to awakening? NO!<br />that&#039;s beyond technique and is merely your true Self once revealed to you.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[feedbaxlow]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.noblerealms.org/profile.php?id=1065</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2006-09-29T18:49:33Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44898#p44898</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Handbook of the Navigator]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44893#p44893" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Old Loop seems to have taken (almost hysterical in some quarters) quite a bashing. His criticism was slammed as &quot;destructive&quot;. I thought what he said to be the most constructive thing I have read in a while.</p><p>Don&#039;t ask me to &quot;explain&quot; as it&#039;s simply my opinion. Reason isn&#039;t necessarily the apex of human cognition.</p><p>Spot on Loop.</p><p>Bruce</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[bruce]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.noblerealms.org/profile.php?id=1005</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2006-09-29T15:51:33Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44893#p44893</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Handbook of the Navigator]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44473#p44473" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Millenium---I love the Limbaugh list.</p><p>Trouble is, the dope-o&#039;s who like him will never sit still long enough to read it.</p><p>And, by the way, the president is not the devil, it&#039;s his handlers and supporters.<br />He&#039;s just a pucking fuppet.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Tom Paine]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.noblerealms.org/profile.php?id=241</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2006-09-20T23:47:29Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44473#p44473</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Handbook of the Navigator]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44439#p44439" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>SiriArc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>loop<br />for<br />a<br />loop</p><p>recieves:</p><p><strong><span style="color: red">zAaargh!ization rating</span></strong> </p><p><a href="http://www.andypope.info/charts/gauge.gif">http://www.andypope.info/charts/gauge.gif</a></p></blockquote></div><p>That is gold. <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /></p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Hildegarde]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.noblerealms.org/profile.php?id=540</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2006-09-20T03:50:45Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44439#p44439</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Handbook of the Navigator]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44416#p44416" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Xenopope wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If one would continue to seek the truth outside of themselves instead of seeking it from within themselves, then they may be doomed to repeat their cycle here until they realize that they themselves ARE the Truth.</p></blockquote></div><p>Now THAT&#039;s a statement!! <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" />&nbsp; </p><p>*prints it out and hangs it over her headboard*</p><p>(reminds me of &quot;The kingdom of God is within you.&quot;)</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Pinkrlyq]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.noblerealms.org/profile.php?id=1008</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2006-09-19T21:20:57Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44416#p44416</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Handbook of the Navigator]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44414#p44414" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>loopforaloop wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>so you think this handbook is here to save your souls? </p><br /><p>its all part of the design to distract you. </p><br /><p>yes, keep talking, keep writing, keep exploiting yourself here. as if its going to bring clearity.</p></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><cite>montalk wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Destructive criticism without a constructive alternative is a waste of time. If you have something constructive to say, loopforaloop, then say it.</p></blockquote></div><p>The implied constructive portion of his message is easily found by reading between the lines and it is: To find the Truth, look within yourself.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>loopforaloop wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>welcome to the prison. i see most of you will return for another stay.</p></blockquote></div><p>His message here is quite profound: If one would continue to seek the truth outside of themselves instead of seeking it from within themselves, then they may be doomed to repeat their cycle here until they realize that they themselves ARE the Truth.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Xenopope]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.noblerealms.org/profile.php?id=177</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2006-09-19T21:10:14Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44414#p44414</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Handbook of the Navigator]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44403#p44403" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Millenium wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Am I wrong, but did your comments about the book download bring out animosity from other posters?&nbsp; Hmmm.....</p></blockquote></div><p>Indeed, you are wrong.&nbsp; You must have missed the fact that the &quot;animosity&quot;&nbsp; you speak of was in reference to this statement from loopforaloop (bolded words my own emphasis):</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>loopforaloop wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>welcome to the prison. <strong>i see most of you will return for another stay.</strong></p></blockquote></div><p>Don&#039;t you just love it when people tell you where you&#039;re going to go after you die?&nbsp; <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /> As if they&#039;re &quot;God&quot; themselves, in the know, with the inside scoop?&nbsp; <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" />&nbsp; Maybe you didn&#039;t see that, but, that was what brought out the &quot;animosity&quot; that you speak of, not loopforloop&#039;s comments about the book download.&nbsp; Just to clarify.</p><p>Also, in looking back over the exchange, you&#039;ll see where montalk said (bolded words my own emphasis):</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>montalk wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Destructive criticism <strong>without a constructive alternative</strong> is a waste of time. If you have something constructive to say, loopforaloop, then say it.</p></blockquote></div><p>The issue being that loopforloop was ripping on something just for the sake of it, <strong>and without offering up any constructive feedback or better alternatives. </strong>&nbsp; Loop&#039;s attitude was one of snobby, all-knowing superiority, while being unwilling to offer up any better ideas.&nbsp; Hence, he got a zAAARRRGH! rating from SiriArc.&nbsp; <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" />&nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>However, by including this comment:</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Millenium wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I hope in a free and open forum there is plenty of room for the optimist, pessimist,conventionalist, idealist, and cynic.&nbsp; It is so good to question and it&#039;s so good to see your post....</p></blockquote></div><p>...you&#039;re not-so-subtly implying that the animosity was based on lack of tolerance for questioning and dissenting opinion.&nbsp; That&#039;s manipulative, and it misses the point entirely of what actually happened here.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[lyra]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.noblerealms.org/profile.php?id=23</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2006-09-19T19:34:24Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44403#p44403</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Handbook of the Navigator]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44385#p44385" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Siriarc, I did.:)</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[treehugger]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.noblerealms.org/profile.php?id=874</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2006-09-19T15:37:37Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44385#p44385</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Handbook of the Navigator]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44373#p44373" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>loop<br />for<br />a<br />loop</p><p>recieves:</p><p><strong><span style="color: red">zAaargh!ization rating</span></strong> </p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.andypope.info/charts/gauge.gif" alt="http://www.andypope.info/charts/gauge.gif" /></span> </p><p>_____________</p><br /><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f40/i_alone_love_u/tree_hugger.jpg" alt="http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f40/i_alone_love_u/tree_hugger.jpg" /></span> </p><br /><p>Look closer at #<strong><span style="color: green">13</span></strong></p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[SiriArc]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.noblerealms.org/profile.php?id=555</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2006-09-19T06:15:12Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44373#p44373</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Handbook of the Navigator]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44359#p44359" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Lono wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I couldn&#039;t have said it better myself, so I&#039;ll just say, &quot;yeah-- what she said!&quot;</p></blockquote></div><p>(except I had a typo in there....I typed &quot;enacting&quot; when I meant &quot;exacting.&quot;&nbsp; hyper fingers typing too fast! <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /> haha )</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[lyra]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.noblerealms.org/profile.php?id=23</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2006-09-19T02:28:19Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44359#p44359</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Handbook of the Navigator]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44358#p44358" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>lyra wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>loopforaloop wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>welcome to the prison. i see most of you will return for another stay.</p></blockquote></div><p>...........even worse are those who set themselves up as Gods, enacting judgment on their fellow man, confidently proclaiming who&#039;s going where after they die.&nbsp; <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" />&nbsp; &quot;Insider&quot; wannabe, anybody?&nbsp; &nbsp;<img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" />&nbsp; &nbsp;You know, the religious fundamentalists also go around judging everybody around them, talking about who&#039;s going to be &quot;saved&quot; and who isn&#039;t, who&#039;s going to be &quot;raptured&quot; and who won&#039;t, who&#039;s going to &quot;heaven&quot; and who&#039;s going to &quot;hell.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp;So, you&#039;ve just put yourself in the same boat as the very people and attitudes of the &quot;prison planet&quot; that you&#039;re attempting to criticize.&nbsp; Guess you didn&#039;t notice that absurd contradiction <em>before</em> you went ahead and hit the &quot;Send&quot; button.</p></blockquote></div><p>I couldn&#039;t have said it better myself, so I&#039;ll just say, &quot;yeah-- what she said!&quot;</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Lono]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.noblerealms.org/profile.php?id=988</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2006-09-19T02:00:50Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44358#p44358</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Handbook of the Navigator]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44346#p44346" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>loopforaloop wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>welcome to the prison. i see most of you will return for another stay.</p></blockquote></div><p>...........even worse are those who set themselves up as Gods, exacting judgment on their fellow man, confidently proclaiming who&#039;s going where after they die.&nbsp; <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" />&nbsp; &quot;Insider&quot; wannabe, anybody?&nbsp; &nbsp;<img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" />&nbsp; &nbsp;You know, the religious fundamentalists also go around judging everybody around them, talking about who&#039;s going to be &quot;saved&quot; and who isn&#039;t, who&#039;s going to be &quot;raptured&quot; and who won&#039;t, who&#039;s going to &quot;heaven&quot; and who&#039;s going to &quot;hell.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp;So, you&#039;ve just put yourself in the same boat as the very people and attitudes of the &quot;prison planet&quot; that you&#039;re attempting to criticize.&nbsp; Guess you didn&#039;t notice that absurd contradiction <em>before</em> you went ahead and hit the &quot;Send&quot; button.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[lyra]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.noblerealms.org/profile.php?id=23</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2006-09-18T22:48:45Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44346#p44346</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Handbook of the Navigator]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44342#p44342" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>tenetnosce wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>OK I finished reading this book.&nbsp; Great find, and thanks for sharing!</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>montalk wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There&#039;s an interesting chapter in there on duality vs non-duality, basically about how on the grandest scale things are non-dual but incorrectly applying that idea here in this dualistic illusion is a trap. There is an excellent metaphor relating spiritual humans and non-spiritual humans to the white and red blood cells of the body. The point made regarding the idea of Darkness (which is like a virus) is &quot;What would happen if your white blood cells sat down and did nothing under the idea that all is happening as it&#039;s supposed to be? You would die.&quot; (Worded better in the book). Or the way I see it, everything does happen as it should as long as this includes you doing as you should, which involves making righteous choices and acting on them.</p></blockquote></div><p>I think this is a critical piece of the work and highlights the necessary balance between <em>resisting</em> and <em>allowing</em>.&nbsp; It&#039;s worth reading this chapter, if nothing else.</p><p>*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; *</p><p>I am still contemplating developing the sixth sense as a means to awakening, in contrast to experiencing the sixth sense as a result of awakening.</p><p>My heart sank a little as I was approaching the end of the book and realized that Eric was not going to reveal his techniques for meditation and gathering prana, named as the two prerequisites for awakening. . . unless I missed them somewhere.</p><p>Also I thought it was a bit strange that he never quite makes it back to how to communicate with &quot;The Navigator&quot;.&nbsp; O.K. so there is a higher dimensional aspect of ourselves that we can communicate with to receive guidance in our lives.&nbsp; .&nbsp; . nothing really new there.&nbsp; </p><p>I kept thinking Eric was going to explain how to strengthen this connection, other than simply becoming aware that it exists.&nbsp; He also makes no mention of learning how to properly interpret data coming in from the sixth sense.&nbsp; I&#039;ve found that misperception can occur with this sense, as with all the others, which makes it vulnerable to manipulation.&nbsp; This necessitates discernment.</p><p>Again, is there something I missed? Anyone find it?</p></blockquote></div><p>To answer your question...NO, you have to buy his tapes or join the Institute.<br />I too had read this a while ago and was disappointed when I realized he was not going to reveal the meditation techniques. I do recieve e-mails at least every couple weeks with offers for marked down prices on his meditation cds. I think its on sale for $49 right now. I just hate it when they get you hooked and then get to the most crucial point of it all and then say....sorry but you have to buy the rest. But thats just my feeling on that. Otherwise, I really thought it was great material.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[treehugger]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.noblerealms.org/profile.php?id=874</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2006-09-18T22:21:11Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44342#p44342</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Handbook of the Navigator]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44339#p44339" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Destructive criticism without a constructive alternative is a waste of time. If you have something constructive to say, loopforaloop, then say it.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[montalk]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.noblerealms.org/profile.php?id=2</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2006-09-18T21:33:25Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44339#p44339</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Handbook of the Navigator]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44338#p44338" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>so you think this handbook is here to save your souls? </p><br /><p>its all part of the design to distract you. </p><br /><p>yes, keep talking, keep writing, keep exploiting yourself here. as if its going to bring clearity.</p><p>your thoughts, those thoughts of others that you read and apply, those pictures of colorful chakras and buddhist or gods, ect....they all in return bring you further away from that which you strive to come closer to. </p><br /><p>welcome to the prison. i see most of you will return for another stay.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[loopforaloop]]></name>
			</author>
			<updated>2006-09-18T21:21:58Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=44338#p44338</id>
		</entry>
</feed>
