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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>u know, we need some exposure to germs etc in order to have a strong immune system. all these antibacterial creams and precautions are actually making the youth weaker and weaker</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[zonabi]]></name>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>morningsun76 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>American who hasn&#039;t been thoroughly vaccinated even if you looked hard for one all day long.&nbsp; And it makes me wonder: is there any way to reverse the effects of these vaccinations once you&#039;ve got them?</p></blockquote></div><p>Here in the UK perhaps 1 or 2 out of every hundred kids are vaccine free but vaccines are not mandatory like in the US, my three kids are non vaccinated.</p><p>i really worry about the kids who do NOT have&nbsp; symtoms after vaccines, ie fever, loose stools, rashes etc&nbsp; as this is the bodies attempt get rid of the vaccine matter.</p><p>The first remedy to think of in never been well since vaccination is the vaccine itself in homeopthic potency, like cures like.<br />DPT, MMR etc in potency can be bought of a decent homeopthic pharmacy<br />Oxygen therapies may help to oxidise any vaccine matter left in the body&nbsp; the safest method probably being the oxygen drops that you add to water and keeping it up for at least several months.</p><p>Mercury, aluminum etc in vaccines?&nbsp; there are protocols to remove these from the body such as magnetic clay, Chlorella and herbal detoxes, see my post in how to remove fluoride from the body in the health section as there is much crossover.</p><p>It seems nanotechnology is going to be used in vaccines.<br /><a href="http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTD015756.html">http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTD015756.html</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Barefoot Doc]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-11-02T16:21:39Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>morningsun76 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I doubt you could find an American who hasn&#039;t been thoroughly vaccinated even if you looked hard for one all day long.&nbsp; And it makes me wonder: is there any way to reverse the effects of these vaccinations once you&#039;ve got them?</p></blockquote></div><p>Being aware of the necessity for detoxing will help clear them from our bodies, to at least a level where we&#039;re far less affected.</p><p>This could be as simple as drinking enough water, eating enough fresh organic fruits and vegs, exercising,&nbsp; and refraining from or cutting down on sugar/junk foods, smoking, drugs, coffee, and alcohol.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jen]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-11-01T20:45:14Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: More on abductions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>morningsun wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I wonder if there&#039;s any further implications to the fact that it was out of uniform and outside your front door just looking in; that&#039;s not typical grey behavior.&nbsp; Maybe it was AWOL.</p></blockquote></div><p>Haha, maybe a initiation test for the Zeta Zeta Zeta fraternity?&nbsp; If it was a gray, or a &quot;pinky-pinky&quot;, then that&#039;s unusual in several ways. It came alone, in full physical form, without its suit, without a full blown ship with lights, without a fourth-density overlay upon the apartment, and moved quickly with a rustling noise. When I think of &quot;gray&quot; I think of semi-etheric cybernetic creatures with suits and black eyes, who show up with all the flashing lights while you are paralyzed. Maybe that&#039;s only one manifestation, when they are &quot;on the job&quot; and all dressed up for action. Perhaps it&#039;s not that strange - I have heard cases of people (mostly kids and teens) seeing reptilians outside their window, or even while outside at night. Upright aligators, scares the hell out of kids. The temporary, solitary, and tangible nature of their showing up is the common factor, here. Perhaps dropping down into full 3D form gives them added maneuverability and observational abilities despite being on borrowed time and energy. Kinda like divers going into the water with a scuba suit and breathing gear to see the fish up close.</p><p>Regarding vaccines, Credo is right on. Think of how vaccines have been linked to autism, and autism is an extreme manifestation of the mind being closed off to external stimuli. It could be an accidental overreaction to the same process that would normally be aimed toward cauterizing merely our third eyesight. The necessary vaccine would then be neurologically active in some way. Turns out the DTaP (Diphtheria, Tetanus, &amp; Pertussis ) vaccine is one of the few whose side-effects are largely neurological -- &quot;crying for more than an hour, crying that will not stop no matter how much you comfort the baby, extreme sleepiness, feeling irritable&quot;. This vaccine is also one administered in the most number doses between birth and age 7 - up to five shots. Not sure if there is gene-transfer going on, or whether <a href="http://www.ebmonline.org/cgi/content/full/228/6/660">mercury</a> is the cause, or perhaps nanotechnology slipped into the vaccine. But no doubt, it could be one of a whole spectrum of methods used to keep us from seeing the forbidden. Even my contact lenses are manufactured with a 100% UV filter built in.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[montalk]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-11-01T20:30:04Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>montalk wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just recently I learned that Credo Mutwa says that grays are known as &quot;pinky pinky&quot; by his people because beneath their suits/masks they are pink in color.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes ... I was going to mention that the moment you said it was 4 feet tall and pink, but you already had it.&nbsp; Bingo!&nbsp; Pinky-pinky.&nbsp; &nbsp; I wonder if there&#039;s any further implications to the fact that it was out of uniform and outside your front door just looking in; that&#039;s not typical grey behavior.&nbsp; Maybe it was AWOL. <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" />&nbsp; </p><p>I&#039;ve still got a good amount of the Credo Mutwa video to get through; it&#039;s laborious viewing due to the single camera shot and the sloooow pace, but the information is very good.&nbsp; Credo seems pretty legit to me.&nbsp; As odd as some of his stuff sounds, it does tie in very well with the more &quot;mainstream&quot; UFO literature.</p><p>In my reading today I just confirmed another &quot;hit&quot; by Credo.&nbsp; In &quot;Taken,&quot; one of the subjects experiences an incredible rash over her entire body following one abduction.&nbsp; &nbsp;Her skin then begins to peel off.&nbsp; &nbsp;Well, Credo tells of having experienced the identical symptoms, and he is certain it happened as a direct result of having eaten a bit of flesh from a grey.&nbsp; &nbsp;As he tells the story. this &quot;eating of the god&quot; also resulted in subsequent abduction and ET activity in his life.</p><p>EDIT: And here&#039;s yet another possible hit by Credo that I just thought of.&nbsp; In the David Icke interview, Credo tells how the white people forcibly innoculated / vaccinated many of the tribal people in Africa.&nbsp; He says that the result of these chemicals being injected into his people was that they were blinded to seeing spiritual things -- UFOs and what-not.&nbsp; &nbsp;The ones who avoided the needles could still &quot;see.&quot;&nbsp; Very interesting.&nbsp; Now, just a few weeks ago I was in the company of someone also well-versed in UFO research, and he made an interesting comment.&nbsp; He told of how some people he had heard of had taken photos of strange military aircraft flying overhead (I think here in California).&nbsp; When the pictures were developed, they showed that the aircraft were actually chasing after UFOs!&nbsp; But the people taking the pictures did not SEE the UFOs; the UFOs only showed up in the pictures.&nbsp; I have a feeling this might be directly related to what Credo was talking about.&nbsp; I doubt you could find an American who hasn&#039;t been thoroughly vaccinated even if you looked hard for one all day long.&nbsp; And it makes me wonder: is there any way to reverse the effects of these vaccinations once you&#039;ve got them?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[morningsun76]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-11-01T08:37:48Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ron and morningsun, Thanks for the thoughts, I will relay them to my mom. She will be okay, we talk and anything strange or potentially manipulative happening in her life gets discussed. Back in the early 80s she would wake up with large dark purple bruises on her thighs with puncture marks in the middle. I also recall occasions when a dark brown liquid would leak from her navel, which I read about in David Jacobs&#039; book &quot;Secret Life&quot;. </p><p>The creature I saw in Florida was a four foot tall pink creature that peered in through the frosted glass slats of my front door. I saw it pressed against the glass, a face at doorknob height and a hand, both pinkish in color but indistinct due to the frosting. This happened at 4:45 AM while I was wide awake. Heard it dashing about the private courtyard in front, rustling like leaves in the wind, the sound coming closer. It looked in for maybe 30 seconds until I commanded it to take a hike. It was pitch dark out there, and no chance of it being someone screwing around. My distinct impression is that it was a gray, a very creepy &#039;wrong&#039; vibe, but it was pink not gray in color. Just recently I learned that Credo Mutwa says that grays are known as &quot;pinky pinky&quot; by his people because beneath their suits/masks they are pink in color. Haha, nothing like a nude gray running around outside.</p><p>The 3:00-3:30AM window sounds right for your standard abductions to begin, returns by 4:30-5:30. I am usually still up by then. This probably changes by an hour with daylights savings being on or off. </p><p>I also noticed for the past year or two that for us at least, neg/alien phenomena tend to happen a day or two prior to a new moon. Perhaps if the new moon increases portal activity or thins the veils, it would also increase UFO sightings...will have to check what research has been done on moon phases and UFO sightings, might relate to what you saw, morningsun.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-11-01T08:18:42Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Montalk,</p><p>I saw a strange fast moving light on the horizon late last night, probably around 1AM.&nbsp; I do not think it was a shooting star as they usually burn out quickly, this one seemed to move at a extremely high but constant rate of speed and was visible to me for maybe 5-7 seconds.&nbsp; &nbsp; Also, I received an e-mail today from another member of this forum who lives somewhat close to me, and this individual reported also having had a &quot;sighting&quot; last night.&nbsp; I&#039;m not yet sure of the details on that one.</p><p>I just started re-reading Turner&#039;s &quot;Taken&quot; and one of the first case studies involved an abductee female who had experienced an E.T. &quot;pulling&quot; which caused serious back problems.&nbsp; I forget if it was the same case, but the 3:00AM - 3:30 AM window was also mentioned early on in the book.&nbsp; It does sound like your mom may have had some sort of abduction.&nbsp; I&#039;m sorry for her suffering; thankfully she&#039;s fortunate enough to have some knowledgable people to talk to about it. </p><p>What was the creature you once saw in Florida?&nbsp; A business client of mine grew up in the Pensacola / Gulf Breeze area and once saw what he is dead certain was a miniature Tyrannasaurus Rex dinosaur in the back yard of his childhood home. </p><p>New moon will be November 2, 0124 UTC.&nbsp; <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&amp;start=2&amp;q=http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonPhase.html&amp;e=912">U.S. Naval Observatory moonphase page</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[morningsun76]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-11-01T07:34:34Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear about your mom&#039;s suffering montalk.&nbsp; It is great she can share her experience with you . . . and you understand.&nbsp; </p><p>NR has opened the dimensions of communication between so many souls.</p><p>The Archangel Michael can offer protection.&nbsp; Sending a prayer for your mom&#039;s pain.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[RonD]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-11-01T06:43:02Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Received this email from my mom today. She&#039;s not fantasy prone, nor is her dog Perry.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Hey, I had a very strenge phenominal experience last night (early this morning).</p><p>At 3 am Perry suddenly jumped out of my bed and was very unsettled. He rushed to the hallway between bed rooms and woke me up. He did not bark but it seems like he saw something outside the bedroom. I sat up on my bed and asked him what is it. For a few minutes 2-3(?) he came rushing to my bed and was so scared that he went straight under the covers and stayed there. I sat on the bed looking around with my eyes and saw nothing, so i went back to sleep. At that time it was 3.05 am or so. I felt sort of restless, then I had this weird dream..........I dreamt about this young man, good looking young man, wearing black suit and white shirt, but he felt like Satan and was seducing me into moving in to this house with the kids. The room was sort of small and the eviroment was very uncomfortable and creepy. He then locked us in the room and we sensed that he was going to torture us or kill us, we were panicking and we were trying to find a way to escape but we can&#039;t, there was no way out. Then i was in this bathroom, small, and there was this lady who inserted a needle in my mouth like trying to pry my mouth open. It did not hurt. I just don&#039;t understand what is going on. Then i felt something choking me and my throat was filled with mucus. I was gagging and making noises and choking, I can hear myself snoring or some sort, loud!! Then I woke up and the time was 3.55am i was puzzled because it seems like I was missing time. I then had a terrible headache and my whole body was feeling so restless and my lower back was very painful. Prior to that dream I was ok. So I tossed and turn and went back to sleep with a terrible headache, backache and mucus-throat that I tried to clear by coughing, but nothing.</p><p>This morning, I sat on the kitchen table and asked S___ to give me a little massge because my neck and upper back was hurting. I thought it must be stress tension, so I pulled my hair up and S___ asked &quot;what happen to your neck mommy?&quot;... I said &quot;what happened?&quot;, she said &quot;you got this big red mark on your center upper neck by the hair line.&quot; I was shocked. Then A___ and&nbsp; M___ looked at it and they were shocked. It was a size like a quater in the center of my upper neck and some small red mark size like penny around it. Around the quarter size red mark you can see some hair was removed, it was like a bald white spot surrounding the red mark, looks like a hickie. I then realised that maybe something did happened last night at 3 am.</p><p>I am still feeling uncomfortable, my neck and my lower back and my head is hurting. A strange kind of headache. But my lower back hurts bad and I have not had a neckache for a very long time.</p></blockquote></div><p>Who knows... sounds like a possible abduction to me - part etheric, part physical, with either a screen memory or dream-memory of the actual event. </p><p>Last night was kinda strange for me as well...the cat was going bonkers, and when I went out onto the patio at 3AM to take the garbage out, I saw something quickly dash away into the woods, making a rustling sound identical to that creature I once encountered in Florida who pressed itself up against my front door. From what little I saw last night, it was too large to be a rodent, yet sounded too light and quickfooted to be a deer. It didn&#039;t have the vibes of an animal, which creeped me out...I ran back inside to grab the spotlight to shine into the woods, but saw and heard nothing.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-11-01T06:26:58Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: More on abductions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I think abductions occur on an etheric level.&nbsp; I&#039;ve certainly had my own experiences, but nothing I can 100% say that aliens are involved.&nbsp; I think it may be a step into the spirit world.&nbsp; I have come to associate sleep paralysis with stepping into the borders of this realm.&nbsp; A couple other things that lead me to this conclusion is that I know that, when drifting off to sleep, strange thought processes start making sense to me, and during this type of thinking, I&#039;ve seen a horse head and a snake, both seemingly very real, manifesting in reality before me, but I knew they were not real because I shook myself awake and checked to make for certain.&nbsp; What we&#039;re experiencing has to deal with spiritual realities, I think.</p><p>Not to mention the belief that our minds can influence reality, manifesting marks, objects, or probes, etc.&nbsp; Has this been delved into?</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>&quot;They simply feel better because of what they believe&quot;... ????&nbsp; Reeeeally? </p><p>This researcher should&#039;ve spoken to more than 50 abductees... thinking/knowing I&#039;ve been abducted has NEVER made me feel better about anything.</p></blockquote></div><p>Auendove, I can sort of see where this woman&#039;s thinking is coming from.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know if everyone that has abductions is fantasy prone, but, whenever I see the abductions being claimed by somebody that is more dramatic than is common, I realize that artistic license has probably been taken with the truth.&nbsp; Also, the feeling that you belong to a very select group, or having something real to explain bad feelings or experiences, even if it is undesirably, is comforting, in a way.&nbsp; In this way, we solidify our problems, even if it&#039;s mere projection, and are more able to work with these feelings, or at least have a point of reference.&nbsp; The thing is, people start latching onto the outward realities and neglect the inner realities.&nbsp; It becomes a distraction to what is important.&nbsp; (Maybe aliens, or your fears or whatever, do this sort of thing to distract you from a truth you are approaching?)</p><p>I thought I should clarify about the whole abduction being positive angle.&nbsp; By select few, I mean that there is a feeling of being special, in some regard.&nbsp; These people that have been abducted know a truth that is secret and not widely known.&nbsp; They have been selected by these demi-god like beings for some purpose.&nbsp; These beings are proof of another life, a different realm, that most can&#039;t or don&#039;t perceive.&nbsp; They have a seperation from other people, a feeling of difference.&nbsp; The abductions are proof why they are different.&nbsp; There isn&#039;t really any shame associated with abductions, either, that I know of, other than most people don&#039;t understand and would consider you a kook.&nbsp; Contrast with sexual abuse, where it&#039;s not something to excitedly talk about with other people who have been abused, to a group of people that have been abducted.&nbsp; You don&#039;t really want to talk about abuse in the same way as one wants to talk about abductions.&nbsp; If your uncle was abducting you and doing all these things that the aliens are doing to you, you wouldn&#039;t be talking about it near as much.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Haven]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-10-26T22:39:45Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: More on abductions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don&#039;t think people should waste their time writing her hate mails and getting all riled up and offended.&nbsp; &nbsp;If someone knows 100%, beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are being abducted, (whether it be by aliens, military, or whatever) then they don&#039;t have to defend anything.&nbsp; &nbsp;Because that&#039;s what it really boils down to when you pick it apart....these people are getting all upset because they feel defensive about their predicament.&nbsp; &nbsp;This woman puts out a book saying &quot;Your abductions are just natural sleep paralysis, false memories, or real sexual abuse transposed onto &#039;aliens&#039;...&quot;&nbsp; and the abductees can&#039;t handle someone saying that.&nbsp; &nbsp;They want support and validation.&nbsp; They have a position to defend.&nbsp; &nbsp;This woman contradicting alien abductions in general as a whole gets taken as a individual personal attack by the abductees who feel they personally are being dismissed.&nbsp; &nbsp;&quot;I know this is real!!&nbsp; How dare you say otherwise!&nbsp; (waaa!)&nbsp; I&#039;m not a liar!&nbsp; I&#039;m not crazy!&nbsp; &nbsp;I&#039;m not seeking attention!!&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp;I can understand that, we all do that in regards to some subject that pushes our personal buttons or riles up our ego.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>But if you know you&#039;re an abductee, and are up to your ears in personal proof, then it doesn&#039;t matter what anybody else believes or thinks they &quot;know.&quot;&nbsp; Especially a total stranger.&nbsp; &nbsp;Know your own truth and be secure in that.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[lyra]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-10-26T21:59:35Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Get a load of this--</p><br /><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p><strong>Alien abduction claims explained</strong></p><p><em>Sleep paralysis, false memories involved</em></p><p>By William J. Cromie <br />Harvard News Office </p><br /><p>Many of the people who believe they have been abducted by aliens are bombarding Susan Clancy with hate e-mails and phone calls. The Harvard researcher, who has spent five years listening to the stories of some 50 abductees, has described her (and their) experiences in a new book to be published in October. </p><p>Clancy, 36, likes most of these people. &quot;They are definitely not crazy,&quot; she says. But they do have &quot;a tendency to fantasize and to hold unusual beliefs and ideas. They believe not only in alien abductions, but also in things like UFOs, ESP, astrology, tarot, channeling, auras, and crystal therapy. They also have in common a rash of disturbing experiences for which they are seeking an explanation. For them, alien abduction is the best fit.&quot; </p><p>As you might guess, the people behind all that hate mail and the phone calls don&#039;t buy that. They were there, she wasn&#039;t, they insist. </p><p>In her book, &quot;Abducted: How People Come to Believe They Were Kidnapped by Aliens,&quot; to be published by the Harvard University Press, Clancy describes a typical reaction. &quot;Can you believe the nerve of that girl (Clancy),&quot; one abductee says. &quot;She comes to me, like, &#039;Oh, I believe you&#039;ve been abducted! Let me interview you to learn more.... Oh, what really happened [she says] is sleep paralysis.&#039; Riiight! How the - - does she know? Did it happen to her? There was something in the room that night! I was spinning. I blacked out ... it was terrifying.... I wasn&#039;t sleeping. I was taken. I was violated, ripped apart - literally, figuratively, metaphorically, whatever you want to call it. Does she know what that&#039;s like?&quot; </p><br /><p><strong>Paralyzing dreams</strong></p><p>Abduction stories are strikingly similar. Victims wake up and find themselves paralyzed, unable to move or cry out for help. They see flashing lights and hear buzzing sounds. Electric sensations zing through their bodies, which may rise up in levitation. Aliens with wrap-around eyes, gray or green skin, lacking hair or noses, approach. The abductee&#039;s heart pounds violently. There&#039;s lots of probing in the alien ship. Instruments are inserted in their noses, navels, or other orifices. It&#039;s painful. Sometimes sexual intercourse occurs. </p><p>Then it&#039;s over, after seconds or minutes. The intruders vanish. Victims are back in their own beds and can move again. </p><p>Clancy, Richard McNally, a professor of psychology at Harvard, and other researchers tie such horrifying happenings to sleep paralysis, a condition where the usual separation between sleep and wakefulness gets out of synchronization. </p><p>When you dream, you are paralyzed. It&#039;s a natural adaptation to prevent people from lashing out, jumping out of bed, walking into doors or windows, and otherwise injuring themselves. But it&#039;s possible to wake up while still paralyzed. </p><p>&quot;We can find ourselves hallucinating sights, sounds, and bodily sensations,&quot; Clancy says. &quot;They seem real but they&#039;re actually the product of our imagination.&quot; One researcher describes it as &quot;dreaming with your eyes wide open.&quot; </p><p>Bizarre effects aside, sleep paralysis is as normal as hiccups. It&#039;s not a sign of mental illness. About 25 percent of people around the world have experienced it, and about 5 percent get the whole show of sight, sound, tactile hallucinations, and abduction. </p><p>Some of these people become completely absorbed by what happened and seek an explanation of it. That can lead them into a grab bag of different techniques well known to those with a rich fantasy life and a distaste for scientific explanations. </p><p>Such techniques include hypnosis, guided imagery, regression, and relaxation therapies. &quot;These all work in roughly the same way,&quot; Clancy comments. &quot;The therapist lulls the abductee into a suggestive state, in which normal reality constraints are relaxed, and then asks the person to vividly image things that might have happened.&quot; Or might not have happened. </p><p>Hypnosis, she says, &quot;is a bad way to refresh your memories. Not only that, it renders you susceptible to creating memories of things that never happened, things that were suggested to you or that you just imagined. If you (or your therapist) have pre-existing beliefs or expectations, you&#039;re liable to recall experiences that fit with these beliefs, rather than events that actually happened.&quot; </p><br /><p><strong>False memories</strong></p><p>Clancy knows all about false memories; they got her into studying abductees in the first place. When she arrived at Harvard to work on a Ph.D. in 1996, she was fascinated by the political, legal, and social impacts of people who suddenly recovered memories of childhood sexual abuse. Using standard laboratory tests, she found that women who reported recovering such memories were more likely to remember things that never happened than women who always remembered such abuse. </p><p>That result, however, does not prove whether or not the woman with recovered memories had actually been sexually abused. Clancy then got the idea that she could get a better scientific grip on false memories by studying people who recovered memories of events that could not, in her mind, have possibly happened, i.e., being abducted by aliens. </p><p>&quot;Boy, was I naïve,&quot; she says in retrospect. &quot;You can&#039;t disprove alien abductions. All you can do is show that evidence is insufficient to justify the belief, and try to understand why people have those beliefs.&quot; </p><p>On the way to doing this, she, McNally, and their colleagues made some tantalizing discoveries. Measurements of sweating, heart rate, and brain waves showed that those claiming to be abductees show the same symptoms of post-traumatic stress syndrome as combat veterans. The researchers did not, however, conclude that the abductees had experienced combat-type trauma. Rather, they believe, it is the emotional significance of a memory, whether it is true or not, that causes sweaty hands and rapid heartbeats. </p><p>Earlier this year, Clancy and McNally reported on another study that found those who recalled childhood sexual abuse or abduction by aliens experience higher rates of sleep paralysis than those who do not make such claims. Strikingly, the first group also scored high on underlying traits of fantasy proneness, paranormal interests and experiences, and inability to relate socially to others. </p><p>Add to this mixture a recurring interest in aliens expressed in books, in movies, and on television, as well as true discoveries of more than 150 planets orbiting other stars in our galaxy. Overwhelmed by this hurricane of sleep paralysis, false memories, and fantasy, some people seek explanations and succor in ghosts, reincarnations, and multiple personalities. Others find that alien abductions provide answers and peace of mind, says Clancy. </p><p>&quot;It probably doesn&#039;t matter much to the abductees whether they are right or wrong,&quot; she comments. &quot;They simply feel better because of what they believe.&quot; </p><p>Clancy is finished with space abduction studies. She now works in Central America, teaching, continuing research on trauma and memories, and writing a book on recovered memories of childhood sexual abuse. You can bet that book will bring another high wave of hate mail.</p></blockquote></div><p>&quot;They simply feel better because of what they believe&quot;... ????&nbsp; Reeeeally? <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" /></p><p>This researcher should&#039;ve spoken to more than 50 abductees... thinking/knowing I&#039;ve been abducted has NEVER made me feel better about anything.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Haha I know... well not exactly the same time but close. Freaky.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2004-07-08T03:38:57Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Seeker!&nbsp; We just posted our posts at the same exact time!&nbsp; <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Auendove--</p><p>Just to clarify, I was only referring to hallucinations in the context of sleep paralysis, as in hypnopompic visions. I don&#039;t think hallucinations are a characteristic of abductions otherwise, although I suppose cover memories may be applied to the abductee to hide the event from their consciousness. I was stating however that during the particular occurance I described, the hallucinations felt &#039;real.&#039;</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Auendove wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>can you imagine the bopping in the nose you&#039;d be giving them if you weren&#039;t paralyzed?</p></blockquote></div><p>Well like Montalk said the etheric body is still &#039;in operation&#039; during sleep paralysis and only the physical body is paralyzed. So I really was fighting these guys off (there were 2 of them in my field of vision) with my etheric arms. After about 10 seconds of struggle I woke up fully, very disoriented, and feeling as though I had just come from another realm. Abduction attempt? All signs point to yes!</p><p>As for paranoia, I am probably one of the least paranoid people you&#039;ll ever talk to. Since paranoia is a form of fear, I try never to give into it. I never worry if I&#039;m abducted or not, because aside from knowledge and awareness, there&#039;s nothing I can do about it. So 99% of the time it never even crosses my mind. All I can do is become aware of any programming 4D forces are doing to me and try to undo it. I also don&#039;t worry about Matrix &#039;agents.&#039; I&#039;ve never witnessed anyone following me or staring at me for strange reasons, but if they ever want to, they can do it for however long they feel like! That may sound strange, but if it doesn&#039;t limit my free will, then I don&#039;t really care who&#039;s doing what.</p><p>Anyway, back on topic. I can also sometimes &#039;feel&#039; when my dreams may be a cover for an abduction. I have noticed some dreams in particular where the dreams themselves are very vivid and my body (in the dream) feels very sluggish and heavy. I have considered that these may be the effects of being in a 4D realm, while being kept in the dream state as the goons are tinkering with me. These types of dreams are very distinct and are very uncomfortable experiences. It just feels &#039;icky,&#039; which makes me think these may be covers for soul abductions. I haven&#039;t found any method to avoiding these yet, but they&#039;ve only happened 2 or 3 times so far.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2004-07-08T03:17:10Z</updated>
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