http://www.boundary.org/articles/timereversed.pdf 

Interesting paper that bridges consciousness and nonlinear time. This effect could probably be cultivated through meditation. It happens all the time in dreams, but dreams are just an active projection of the subconscious. So if meditation reduces the gap between conscious and subconscious, it should likewise make one more attuned to these nonlinear phenomena like precognition.

Now, back to teleportation! 

"The white rabbit" was in regard to a cute comment that Hkelukka made....

I did not intend it as a cheap shot. I am quite bold in telling what I want to say. Passive agressive subtle cheap shots is not my style. I prefer humor to lighten things up. I will tell it like I think it.

I am here because I think this is a great and interesting group of people. I disdain all efforts to silence, collaboratively ignore, or exclude posters whose style is irritating to the group. I can personally not respond to someone--I find a pajorative discussion focussing on any one individual as distasteful. Sooner or later the group could turn on me. I speak now before I become the potential focus of ridicule.  I like to be provocative myself. Isn't this the best group to offer esoteric topics?

From what I know, they go with the clothes.
If you have this capacity, means you transcended the illusion
(took the red pill) so you do not get sick anymore, else if desired.

They who have this capacity also can duplicate its self too.

Since the physical world is governed by laws of nature, and these laws have been determined to include the "uncertainty principle", then teleportation has made the leap from one universe to the other in wholeness and in deterministic style?

So, in the process nuclear theory has gone from a paradoxical nature to a deterministic certainty? I always have to wonder and question people who are certain when it come to religion or spirituality. This is my nature as a healthy human with a stong curiosity.

As a poet and creative being, I can imagine great and marvelous fantasies--and in this realm of imagination I can be more certain, for I create my own delusions and my own pleasures. In this world I too, can transport to the other side and back. I use my poetry as a vehicle into the abyss of the unus mundus.  I can travel anywhere I can imagine, and share the wonderment of the creative imagination--this gives me the joy of being like a kid again.

*the white rabbit fluffs his hair and hops a bit farther down the rabbit hole* towards the truth*

They who have this capacity also can duplicate its self too.

When one teleports: do they go naked?

Then: do they have to run to a department store in the area they teleport to to buy new clothes?

And, let's say the person is not in perfect health: do they come back cured?

What if a lost person report was made while they were gone: how would they explain their story without thought insane?

Maybe teleportation IS insanity? Shouldn't one shoot it by a psychologist before hand, just in case... as one would get a health check-up before traveling?

One last question: Would they not be fearful of passing germs to an unsuspecting other on either end?

"Gee honey, sorry to bring back tuberculosis from my transport to the Congo."

twas cool hearing that you also experience the body-fatness-meditation-inflation thingie as well as the hand-thingie ... and what you were saying about yourself perceiving those experiences as goodstuffs, well me too - it was actually exhilerating the first time i felt that heavy thing happen - i didn't know what was going on, and actually - it threw me off and i lost 'it' quite fast ... anyways - i don't know what it was but for some reason, some creepy things were happening during that time ...

i don't meditate that way anymore, i used to spend 30 - 60 min. every morning and evening meditating  in my room - now i feel like i'm meditating all the time - just being aware - just "keeping with my provided path" (as Montalk was saying) ... well, most of the time - anyways - it stings when i'm "off" (i tried smoking pot again just a little while ago - after 2 years of not having touched the stuff - only to remember very very well why i quit in the first place - yuck !! - & that's just a personal comment, no offense to any pot-smokers out there but all in all - it's dandy-doo-hicky with fins that swims through grins and bins of gin and tin with skin ... and suchness

Yesterday while travelling, I jotted down a few thoughts related to the timeline subject that "came to mind," though I'm not sure from where!

What came to mind while reading what came to your mind was this scene from "Donnie Darko":

You can interpret this different ways, but what interpretation matches my own thoughts on this is that you still have freewill even if your choices are constrained within "God's channel." I think the paradox is that despite this limiting your choice now, in the long run it expands your freewill by offering you more liberating futures. This, as opposed to "do what thou wilt" which lets you choose anything your little inner predator desires and thus creating the temporary illusion freedom when in the long run it just vectors you towards spiritual enslavement.

Sure in the end all roads lead to unity, and so there is ultimately and fundamentally no "wrong" path - however that does not mean all paths are equally direct. Some paths are painful, circuitous, and redundantly long. Different choices have different consequences. Choose what your intuition, discernment, and heart tell you is the wise thing to choose, and you move within the channel carved by your higher self, then things just fall into place magically. Choose something out of ignorance, stubbornness, programming, etc... and things go downhill. Well...up to a certain point...go far enough off the straight and narrow path and you eventually get taken in by the negs as a recruit, then you'll be lavished with material and psychic success.

Also, it may be off the mark to say that staying within "God's channel" means giving up freewill while doing anything you want means employing it. Rather, it seems to be more about choosing which of two dual streams to align yourself with - your higher self or your lower ego self, the divine framework of the matrix illusion. Because the idea of "doing anything you want" as some philosophical justification for moral relativism fails to address what it is exactly that does the wanting, maybe it's not even the real YOU. What is loss of freedom other than a constriction upon what is wanted, meaning that the matrix is liberation to the predator because that is what it wants while also slavery to the higher self because that is not what the higher self wants.

So anyway, my point is that...

...is not necessarily a principle that would deny freewill provided you understand what exactly is predetermined. Think of being tutored - maybe the curriculum is predetermined but the way it manifests as an educational experience may shift depending on your progress, your needs, your choices. Or think of a pear seed destined to become a pear tree, yet the shape it takes, its rate of growth, whether it bears fruit or withers, that is not predestined.

Whatever the case, somehow there needs to be a simultaneous realization that freewill is important yet there is also some intelligent force carving out the path of least resistance towards spiritual success in our lives. At the same time, there could also be an intelligent force carving out a system of detours to ensnare your soul. There is a difference between being divinely inspired with a positive impulse and choosing how to carry it out, and being told or programmed by aliens or whatever that you must do certain things at certain times. Practically speaking, the best we can do is choose in accordance with our intuition, discernment, and heart.

That's a cool pic, Pictus. Did you take it?

Not me, Boli did.
http://boli.deviantart.com/

i think you're referring to my meditation experience

At least from my experience, feelings of heaviness, lightness and expansion are totally normal - especially when you're successfully turning your awareness inward.

I don't think those sensations were in your head. I'm not sure about developing "super-powers," but who knows! Maybe we're all developing some kind of "super-power" these days?? But, just to ease your mind, many times during meditation my body feels like it weighs 800 lbs, or it feels like I've expanded to fill the entire room. Other times, my hands feel as large as baseball gloves (I love that one.) Sounds similar to your experiences, and I believe this is quite normal. I've never interpreted the sensations themselves as negative, always positive. I think of it as the life force, or chi, expanding (similar to Chi movement during quigong or acupuncture.) Honestly, I don't think the sensations themselves are ominous, BUT I don't know if there was something *else* in addition to those sensations that you were picking up? And, I've never had black helicopters flying above my house, so...!

oceanchild, you may or may not find this useful for your own practice, but one thing I find necessary before meditation is to *state* with no-nonsense intent, who and what I want hanging around - because when we go into an altered state, our etheric body expands, the chakras open (whatever lingo you want to use) and "stuff" can attach. Personally, the whole "love & light" incantation doesn't cut it, at least for me. Lots of malevolent energies can disguise themselves as the sensation of love or light, quite effectively. You could say that's their expertise. I like to get really specific and state my intentions out loud, making it very clear with specific language that only the highest evolved sources of Light (and there are a few other things I add relative to my own personal belief system) can work with me.

I TOTALLY agree that using one system of meditation is limiting. Going into meditation fresh, and just watching what comes up and how it plays out is so much more fun. Otherwise, it becomes a bore.

BTW, i think being able to put yourself in a state of meditation wherein you are physically *feeling* changes may be one of the first steps toward teleporting. Hypothetically speaking, wouldn't we need to feel physical sensations in order to guide the process? Who knows...

about what Pictus was saying:

i've read my fair share of books by Krishnamurti and books by people who were friends with K or knew him and shared their bios and experiences with Krishnamurti ...

i remember in a dialogue where K was talking to someone - he mentioned that he'd met someone in India who showed K in front of his own eyes how he could levetate - supposedly the real thing, not Criss Angel styles ... the same guy also was able to go invisible - he also had the ability to make plants grow super quick, from seed to green, in like a matter of minutes or something ... K said the guy showed him these things in front of his own eyes - and this guy was able to do all this stuff through practised meditation and yoga-stuff - but this guy K had met said he would trade all this 'trinquets' for "Nirvana" - that bliss state ... (K was a bliss-head - his personal journals are crazy to read where some of that comes through)

then in another account - where someone who was a close friend of K was recalling in his book a conversation he had with K - where he was asking K about flying, i think, and other superpowers and how that stuff works - and K said something to the effect that he had "the key to all that" but wasn't interested ...

interesting reading Visavis' account of what happened during meditation -- i myself during the later days of meditation practise started having something strange occurences happen -- i've mentioned this on here before but i'll put it out there again since it relates -- after about a year and half of meditation - towards the latter part of that time - i started more frequenty experiencing this sensation of 'heaviness' ... it was a very strange gravitational effect thing -- when it happened during meditation, it would originate from my gut and gradually take to my entire body - and then it would feel like my body had expanded into the space all around me (i.e., the room and beyond) i hadn't read anything about this sort of thing anywhere - so i'm not sure if it was something my mind created due to previous influence - there was also very strong sensation in my hands where it felt like something was going on in the palms of my hands - very pronounced sensation - i don't really know what was going on when this was happening -- but i have a feeling that i was attracting unwanted attention when this happened -- helicopters showing up above our townhouse at one point, the feeling of other beings hanging around and bugging me - especially during nights after which this heavy-sensation thing would happen during meditation ... of course there's also the possibility that this stuff may have all been in my head (hah) ... but in the end - i stopped the meditation ... was it possible i was developing some sort of "super-power" or causing some craziness in the matrix ? who knows ... but it was getting freaky - that's for sure ...

i wanted to share this (i know i'm a little all over the place with this reply and how it relates to teleportation - please forgive - but i think there's some cohesiveness to it all in some way) ... this quote is on meditation (quote from K, **of course**) but i think it's really interesting to say the least ...

http://books.google.com/books?id=RoOaly … fO3bbwfARc

Question: What system of meditation should I follow?

Krishnamurti: At the beginning of your practise, you have both the beginning and the ending of that practise; that is, what you begin with is also what you end up with; the beginning is the end. If I practise, if I copy, I will end up as an imitator, as a machine repeating. If my mind is only capable of repeating, practicing day after day a certain method, following a certain system, at the end my mind is still copying, immitating, repeating. Surely this is obvious, is this not? Therefore at the beginning, I have set the course which the mind shall follow; if I do not understand at the beginning, I shall not understand at the end. That is the obvious truth.
     So, I have discovered that the end is at the beginning. systems through promises, through pleasure, rewards, punishments, make the mind mechanical, stupid, drunk. And at the beginning there is no freedom, and therefore there is no freedom at the end. The beginning matters enormously. 

                                                                          Madras, 12th Public Talk, 10th February, 1952

the other really interesting thing in this thread is the idea of the future - possibilities and doors that open depending on what we're doing now --- don't have much to say about that except: no doubt !!

WoW, what a freedom!
I almost envy that…

“Scotty, beam me up" 

As the flow of thought got to the bit about "predetermined destiny" I became concerned that maybe I was channeling a negative source; that idea seemed wrong and odd to me.  As I stopped the flow of writing at that point I had a couple of distinct clickings inside my head a few seconds apart, and then one or two more within the next couple of minutes.    So I think something interesting happened there, but I'm not sure what exactly the clickings might represent.  Was it a result of my stopping the flow of a channel, or maybe some other force intervening to stop it?   I'm not sure.  Anyway it fits with the timeline theme currently being discussed in this thread so I thought I'd post it here.

First, just a little story about how my interest (and belief) in teleportation began... I tuned into teleportation about four years ago after an intense experience while meditating. I had a *flash* -- a very clear visual, almost like watching a movie -- of "arriving" in a third-world country. Literally, appearing in the middle of a dirt road.  I knew that I hadn't driven or flown and that I'd be staying for a few hours TO HELP, then "leaving" to go back home. I had no suitcase, no money, no nothing, just the clothes on my back (incidentally, it was a robe!) It's difficult to describe the impact of a vision like this. It was strong, clear, powerful and truly beyond my realm of awareness at the time. I certainly was NOT thinking about teleportation. I will never forget this experience. The images/feelings are burned into my brain, that's how I know it wasn't a mediative flight of fancy. There was gravity to what I saw, and oddly enough, I've held tight to this experience. It's become one of two major touchstones when I think about the future "I'm going to choose."

So, after this experience, I started tuning into all things related to teleportation, and came across drips and drabs of different modern-day teleportation experiences (not monks in Tibet, but average everyday people.) The common theme of several of the stories was people teleporting spontaneously, meaning they were not controling when and where - although they often ended up exactly where they needed to be. Overtime, I started to believe it was entirely possible, and I began to wonder if there wasn't some kind of energetic shifting on the planet that would eventually fine-tune the average person's frequency to enable more control of teleportation. I also began to envision that there'd be *groups* of people, coming together in the future, learning how to teleport together - groups with integrity - because I distinctly remember (from my *flash*) that MOTIVE had a lot to do with the ability. The selfless desire to HELP was an important part of the teleportation experience. And, it made me wonder if that meant, people who were NOT aligned with the right "forces" so to speak (whether they be "light" OR "dark") would have a more difficult time teleporting - i.e. your average Joe just trying to get to Jamaica for a quick getaway. Sort of a natural selection process. Of course, this is just pure unadulterated conjecture! But, it kinda vibes with the idea of consciously tuning into particular quantum wave/timeline wherein teleportation is easier to access than on other quantum timelines, you know?

I need to go read Montalk's article and pick up the Dr. G book... but I'd really like to come back to this quantum wave idea (and the five futures.)

What if our choices are propelling us in and out of different timelines and we don't even realize when we're crossing the boundaries? Just drives home how critical it is to maintain vigilant awareness at all times and really focus on where you want to go and why. I know this has been discussed on NR before in other threads.

P.S. About 6 years ago, before I ever knew about ANY of this timeline stuff, I started writing a novel, just for my own silly enjoyment, about a group of time travelers who travel back to change events and manipulate our future. I was recently re-reading what i'd written and it's positively eery how much the information i've discovered in the past few years jives with my own "fictional" ideas. Creepy cool.