The head is the physical symbol of the Father or positive creative aspect of the Creator.  It is the primary physical seat of consciousness with the brain and eyes being the two main organs of consciousness in the head, the other sense organs filling in the rest.  The “head” of the Father symbolically creates the physical Mother part of the universe represented by the torso.  The word torso actually derives etymologically from the Greek “thyrsus” which means “stalk/stem of a plant”.

A thought is had in the mind (head) of God.  It resonates in and is "spoken" (the Word) through the throat (5th chakra) which creates the material creation (torso).

The spinal column that connects the upper and lower bodies is the central vertical axis that communicates between the head and the rest of the body.  In the tree of life it would be the middle pillar that connects the upper and lower sephira.  The spinal column is also the symbolic pole upon which the chakras reside as etheric representations of the relation to the seven densities of a particular entity, culminating in the unique readout or general summary of the 7th chakra.

The last centre of materiality and the first centre of consciousness is the heart which is located in the 4th position (out of 7), in between and uniting the upper and lower chakras or densitites/realms of creation.  The heart is the last major centre before the first centre of consciousness that is the throat (unites head and torso).  The neck/throat being directly above the heart acts as a connecting tube between the bodies representing consciousness (head) and matter (torso).   While the throat/5th chakra is the first true centre of consciousness (going up), the heart combines/unites both consciousness and matter which is why it is under the neck but at the top of the torso.

I hope that makes some sense.  This info would be optimized by diagrams but I must make do with text at the moment.  As always, constructive criticism and feedback is always welcome.  Thanks for your time!

I’m not sure why he only mentions it in passing and never describes the correlation between the elements and senses.  I tried to find a suitable explanation to no avail so I decided to give it a go myself...

All of the senses (in the human anyway) are contained on a small scale in the head, and on the large scale as the portions of the whole body mentioned in the previous thread.  As mentioned earlier in this thread the head itself is a micro-body representation of the creator (as are the other 4 bodies of the 2 hands and 2 feet).  So what is the relationship between the senses and the elements?  I came up with this chart to help me explain it to myself, but maybe this will help someone out that has the same curiosity:

Facial Aspect     Sense    Element

                Eyes       Sight           Fire
               Nose       Smell             Air
              Mouth       Taste        Water
                Ears    Hearing         Earth
                Skin       Touch      Akasha

Akasha (AKA Ether) is said to be the elusive 5th element that the 4 elements are generated and contained by.  I figured that the Akasha element is symbolically the skin as it contains and allows for all the other elements within itself. Also, “touch” is able to receive all 3 main elements (through the fourth, Earth) as the sensations of hot/cold and dryness/moisture (air is the mediating factor between fire and water that creates both of these dual states) 

The eyes being the organ of the sight sense are related symbolically to Fire as light comes from fire and is received physically (and some might say projected) by the eyes. 

It seemed to make sense that Air represents the nose and thus relates to smell.  Now, to attempt to understand the symbolic importance of smell to Air (spirit) is something else entirely…

The mouth was obviously water as it is the centre of saliva production and follows in the established elemental pattern of:

Fire (+) [eyes]
Air (= ) [nose]
Water (-) [mouth]
Earth (+= -) [ears]

[BTW, does anyone know of a symbol that represents the combination of the 3 three forces of +/=/-?]

Earth was hard to figure out until I realized that I had already investigated and posted about the connection earlier on this thread (post #4):

Arms are extensions of our intellectual expression (literally extended from just under the 5th chakra/centre), therefore used to “see”, while the legs as previously mentioned connect straight into the lowest chakras and serve as the “standing ground” of the body, allowing one to “hear” the physical world.  The head is the “5th body” (after both arms/legs) of the physical structure and contains all functions within while also being mainly the symbolic expression of the consciousness and essence/personality (facial expression and “readout” of current “status” as microcosmic Creator).

The other interesting observation I had about the ears is that if they are indeed analogous to the Earth element which contains and is the result of the first 3 elements then it’s peculiar that they are located on the side of the head whereas the main 3 are all on the front in the logical progression of +/=/- going from top to bottom.

Something else I noticed is that the sum of all the openings of the head equals 7 (2 eyes + 2 ears + 2 nostrils + 1 mouth).

To sum it up, the head represents the macrocosmic Creator mind that creates the body (the universe).  That being said, it can be seen that in the whole picture of the body the head only represents the intellectual or firey aspect of the "Body of God" that is the microcosmic intelligent and sentient "meat-puppet" that we are in 3D.  Because it is also a complete body unto itself the head contains all the elements that later govern the rest of the body. When considered only as a single part of a larger whole (the total body) it primarily expresses the element of Fire, but as a body in and of itself it expresses all 5 elements.  This is an example of the holgraphic inheritance of the "All" of the Creator in every aspect of its Creation, or the Infinite in the finite.

As always, these ideas are a work in progress and by no means set in stone.  At best they are only a symbolic "understanding" of higher principles of Creation that ultimately remain truly unknowable to those in this realm of awareness.  I look forward to any relevant input.  Thanks for your time!

Keep it "real" and stay awake!

L/L,
Poffo

Here is my spin on it….So we have from top to bottom:

The head is Fire (+) – the eyes are organs for “light” which is the illuminating aspect of fire.  The brain as the organ of consciousness and mind is positive or electric.

The chest is Air (= ) – the lungs and heart control the animating force of air and neutralize the functions of the head and abdomen

The abdomen is Water (-) – the centre of the processing, reuptake, and removal of water. 

Then there is the Earth element which is slightly more mysterious.  Bardon basically cites the function of the Earth element in the body as being the total meat-suit that we know and love, the vehicle for our journey through time and space.  This makes sense as Earth is said to contain and interact with the 3 main elements, but I think we can take it a step further…

While he doesn’t mention it specifically, I think it can be logically deduced that the “place” of the symbolic form of the Earth element in the structure of the human body fits directly under the location of the Water element(abdomen) and exists as the physical counterpart of the 1st or Root chakra in the location of the lower pelvis (anus).  It girds the 3 (+/=/-) above it as the foundation of the body which is held by the legs.  The legs represent our bipedal connection (with freed up hands for manipulation/creation) to the earth and are the natural extension of the material consciousness of the root chakra, literally connecting us with Earth.

As the 1st chakra/centre relates to 1st density which is the realm of the confluence and cohesion of matter and bodies (physical things) in general it makes sense that Bardon explained its (Earth element’s) manifestation as the body itself (allowing for the interaction of Fire/Air/Water), but I think this idea can be merged with one that portrays the physical symbol of the good old digestive “end of the line” as the physical representation of the metaphysical Root chakra.  It is literally where the matter that you have consumed is processed and returned back to the Earth as fertilizer.  Though, with the modern Western diet I’m sure our fecal matter would at this point intoxify instead of nourish the Earth  

As I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread, the throat centre or 5th chakra being the location of the lower intellectual centre and speech has a direct relation to the “3 foods” of the 4th Way system.  Actually, I’ve just realized as I’m typing this that there are indeed 4 foods and they correspond to the respective elements.

The 3 foods are air, food, and impressions while water is the 4th (unmentioned by Gurdjieff). Impressions are processed mentally as Fire, air and water are obvious, while physical food is related to Earth.  The eyes and other senses take in impressions, the nose takes in air, and the mouth takes in water and food.  These are all located from the middle of the head down towards the throat.  All of the “foods” are initially processed in this.   They are all digested in some form with impressions being the “highest” and physical food being the “lowest” in terms of density or “hardness”.

While all of this is just a working theory, it’s the best I can figure out at this point.  Any constructive criticism and/or suggestions are very welcome and appreciated!

http://www.zianet.com/earth/essay4.htm

ok Poffo, this is the link for the tail quote. i'm kinda new to posting so i don't know how to quote with names in it yet.

don't have time for a long post, but i will say, i'd love to meet the guy at your work. a picture even....hmmmmmm....

and Pictus, it sounds like that tingling feeling is right on. i tried connecting all those points and you're SO right on about that!!  thanks for the clue, but don't laugh too hard, my wife is in some of those pictures!! 

peace all

BTW, I have a constant tingling in the middle of both palms
(a bit stronger on the left) and a bit in the middle of both feet
soles, the tingling in the 3 eye is also +- constant too and this
all 5 tingling points have some kind of tingle synchronism between them.

so the main idea of the thread dealing with the reflexology of the macro/micro systems of the body sounds to me about as solid as it gets.  the symmetries are there joint for joint and i've read enough of the acupunture/meridian stuff to support that idea.

Ok, cool, so I'm not crazy!  I think....

Just wondering where you found this and if you could possible provide the link...

I believe that Robert Bruce supports this idea in his NEW (New Energy Ways) system of energy body manipulation/stimulation, in regards to minor chakras on palms/soles. 

Quick clarification.....Are you saying that there are a pair of minor chakras in EACH palm/sole, or that there is a pair for the pair of hands/feet?

Thanks for the links. I'll check 'em out when I'm done my 3 day workweek.  Working 12 hr. shifts doesn't provide much time for forum reading/replying between work and sleep

This is definately a part of the modern western paradigm, whereas 150 years ago you were a freak if you didn't have at least some type of facial hair.  There's a guy at work that has a really big beard, bald on top with a ring of long hair on the sides.  He looks like a neanderthal type from afar, with a really distant look in his eyes.  I had to work with him one day and found out that he is actually quite conscious of the control system, at least in the material sense with the rule of corporations and such.  He's a really nice guy person to person but has an overriding distain for the company and all of its rules and procedures.  Looking the way he does in modern society is definately a way to be visibly rebellious to the standard cleancut look, especially featured in the ruling class of the corporate world (management, white collar workers).

I had thought of something like this before when contemplating the beard question.  Also, Baron wrote before about the possible importance of it being located in the region of the 5th chakra/lower intellectual centre (where else could it be really?).  If hair, besides the aspect of warmth, is considered as an extension of the sensory organ of skin (hair standing up from fear/excitement), it may be related to the positive/active role of the masculine energy/aspect of the universe as a symbolic extension of the skin in that area.  Pre-pubescent children, regardless of physical gender, basically only exhibit their future post-pubescant physical potential development through the difference in genitals and unusable reproductive system, and the genitals at that point are only for the function of waste removal.  They are almost androgynous until the physical differentiation of puberty into adulthood.  If the masculine aspect of the universe is 1 (penis/active/consciousness) and the feminine is 0 (vagina/passive/matter), and the 1 represents the unity of consciousness going into the contained void of unrealized potential of the 0, it would follow that girls become rounded (0) and boys become more angular (1) in puberty.  Males grow beards in this time period, perhaps as a symbolic expression of the "consciousness" or intellectual function of creation, the masculine aspect, while females become more rounded and fertile (beautiful/attractive), the feminine aspect.  The combination of both forces resulting in the impregnation of the material world with consciousness.  The beard is an exclusive trait of the neck and face (throat - mouth) where the intellectual expression happens (in conjunction with arms/hands just below neck).

I apologize in advance if this offended anyone as that wasn't the point.  While I am male, I am quite far from being a "man's man" and would be glad to explain my position in more detail.

I agree.  Although, as far as the animal and tribalistic aspect of our physical self goes it does seem valid to have the beard as an identifying feature, especially considering that men as a general rule are the hunters/warriors in that setup, though there are always exceptions.

I appreciate your participation in the thread pulsar.  It's kind of my baby on this forum   It's definately not for everyone, but I think some people may get something out of it and perhaps make a contribution to help refine these ideas.

While I see that you are in a place of confusion and uncertainty regarding the "STS/pod people" topics, I hardly think they are WAY over your head, but probably just resting a few centimetres above it   While I am no authority on these subjects, I am a lifelong student of observation regarding my fellow "humans" and would be glad to help you with anything you're having difficulty with.  Send me an email if you want.  My inbox is always open, he he.

first i want to thank Poffo for starting this thread, as it contains some stimulating and "hair"-raising ideas. (heh...he...)

so the main idea of the thread dealing with the reflexology of the macro/micro systems of the body sounds to me about as solid as it gets.  the symmetries are there joint for joint and i've read enough of the acupunture/meridian stuff to support that idea.

this is just something i found that sounds reasonable concerning the tail chakra subject. it certainly sounds plausible to me, esp. the point about strong emotions flowing down the central channel and finding expression through the movement of the tail. anyone with a cat will def. see the connections here and even dogs, horses, and the annoyed swatting of most larger four-leggers will provide substantive proofs in the direction.

**Poffo--since you've mentioned the fourth way already, i will also note on the topic of tales that in gurdjieff's work, "beelzebub's tales to his grandson" that the titular protagonist in a very comical way reveals certain emotions through the description of his tail throughout the story-telling. very interesting that one so initiated in the esoteric schools would see himself(?) as having a tail....**

next, on the subject of the minor chakra points on the feet. i will add my small bit of knowledge here as well. the palms of the hands and the soles of the feet contain symmetrical chakras of minor energy transfer compared to those situated along the central channel. in each pair, one of the chakras will spiral energy outward and the other will suck energy into the arms and flow to rest of the system. this transversal energy system can supplement meditation practices by placing the hands palm down on the knees and allowing the current to circle through the heart chakra, blending energies contained and maintained in energetic fields other than the central channel.

NEAT TRICK!!
this is something anyone can try and see what you think! one of my movement teachers showed me this when i didn't understand this concept at first. so, one can actually SEE THE PALM CHAKRA after you have had sufficient prana/chi flow or even at rest if your whole system flows sufficiently clear. just open your hand and splay the fingers out so that you feel a sucking feeling in the center of your palm. well, it's more like a cupping of the palm, but as long as you feel a sucking in the palm and energy coming out the back of your hand, you should see on the palm (using third-eye, soft-focus) a circle of discoloration sometimes whiter, sometimes redder. whatever the color though, i was personally blown away at how i could actually manifest an outward change in my energy system!!!

now let's talk about the whole hair thing.  first a couple of articles you might find worth a look-see:

http://www.popmatters.com/columns/thomson/060321.shtml
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ … i_72272587
very helpful: http://www.answers.com/topic/beard

so that should hit pretty much all the symbolism of facial hair throughout the ages.  but i will say here on a personal note, i would have to say that beards for me usually have the significance of a hermit or anti-societal person. rebellion and barbarism. now, this leads me to think about how men only became the bearers of this particular stigma.  perhaps, this reflects a fundamental dichotomy between the energies of man and woman. a man with a beard has the advantage of intimidating younger males certainly, and garnering more respect from other males with less facial hair. this would contribute early on to tribes and factions splitting apart and perhaps men with more "wild" ideas could use the beard to pull other males with him and start a new, possibly more advanced, society. of course the women, following the men for their usefulness as hunters and as partners would have no use for this biological indicator of age/rank/development since the female energy--as opposed to the males' loner/fragmenting vibe--consists of a more cohesive, drawing together type energy which a family/tribal framework depends on to a great degree.

there is also that more darwin-ish linear evolution slant that women have no beards cause when tribes would fight, the males needed a way to identify the females so they could take them and breed with them. naturally, the hairier women would be mistaken more often for males and thus killed. hence some kind of weening out of the hairy females of homo sapiens over thousands of years.     bullocks.

anywho, just thought i'd chime in on one of the few threads that i actually seem to have something to contribute! i find most of the other ones terrribly complicated for me. i mean who really knows about all this STS/pod people stuff? way over my head

cheers!

Possibly some importance of non-living organic material growing out of the 5th chakra area of the throat/mouth area..
With this in mind, is it "wrong" to shave it off?

Not sure about what that importance would be, but it's interesting that body hair in general for men and women really picks up with puberty.  Does pubic hair have something to do with reproduction.  Remember I'm talking about symbolic meaning here, not the actual physiological reasoning behind it.  Do other animal bodies have similar functions or is it associated only with the human animal?

Although I doubt any "wrongness" associated with shaving, I have questioned why men choose to go clean shaven, essentially making themselves resemble pre-pubescent boys, even as old men.  I guess it depends on social standards/expectations and has a lot to do with the preferences of the women that they seek.  In a society based increasingly more on sex, and one where body hair is considered dirty, it would make sense for men to feel compelled to not grow a beard.  It's getting to the point where because of media influence there are women who can only date guys with no chest hair.  The reverse exists where men have a phobia of female armpit and leg hair.....funny how we can be so disgusted with natural features.  Reminds me of the circumcision debate and the minor role that female preference can play in that, where due to social conditioning and acceptance of abnormal practices, there are women that prefer a man being cut and view uncircumcised penises as abnormal.  Now I'm just going off toic, he he....

As far as beards go, I want to know it's symbolic relevance because it may help shed some light on the differences and ultimately similarities between the feminine and masculine aspects of creation.

Hmmmm, well I read somewhere that.......he he, actually I have no idea!

I believe that this is true based on my research thus far and logic.  Makes sense to me considering the symbolic relevance of the legs and feet in the microcosmic body.  I may get into this further in a future thread on grounding and the energy body, when I have time to compile my research.

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I know this may be a weird topic here folks, but I think there is much to be learned from understanding the very symbolic nature of our being in 3D.  I appreciate any input and am happy to help people see the body differently if I can.  Thanks for your time and attention.

BTW, I do not know for how long there will be hair in my head...

I read that cats have a chakra on the tips of their tails...maybe that's true.

I read somewhere that our feet have some minor chakra or energy point 
used to ground us, but it is not much active/developed  in the actual man.
I think it is true as be bare foot over the grass helps the energy exchange
like in the sun gazing(very first sun rays in the morning) or shaman stuff. 

I do not know, maybe to make man even uglier than it is already...
BTW, very interesting theories you have!

I've got a question and I need an answer or I fear I may perish in the uncertainty!

Lately I've been contemplating the symbolic relevance of facial hair on men and the lack of it on women.  I have no theories as of yet but am totally open to anyone elses if they have one.

Back when my paradigm contained much more evolutionary materialist slant I had considered that a beard, especially with the colour change of mid-age would be nature's way of identification or a type of branding because of the variations in colour difference and growth patterns....perhaps related to telling other tribes apart or something.  I don't think I buy that anymore and now that I have taken to seeing all things symbolically, a material reflection and manifestation of the higher logos, this question has been nagging me.  It may seem very unimportant in the long run and when compared to other lines of research but I believe that it helps a great deal to understand the symbols that we are faced with everyday as part of our genetic makeup and expression.  I love exploring higher concepts but at the same time I think it is necessary (for me anyway) to understand the material world and its expressions while I'm here.  Thanks for your time!

Another thing that came to mind - the tails of animals. I read that cats have a chakra on the tips of their tails...maybe that's true.

You got me thinking....about tails, is it possible that the tail represents a sort of grounding cord as it is primarily used for balance?  Almost like the remnant of plant life (roots) carried over to the animal.  More interesting is that the human design is without a fully formed tail, perhaps symbolizing our need to learn to balance on earth without that animalized aid because of our increase in responsibility with increased awareness.

About the tail chakra thing, perhaps it would be like an extension of the root chakra......or the tail chakra thing is just new age crapola, who knows? I should ask St. Germain at the next Ascended Masters Convention....if he actually shows up this time!

There's something I forgot to add to the topic...

The function of digestion and the placement of the two holes involved.  I see a symbolic relationship between the act of physically eating food starting with the mouth and ending up in the toilet (or whatever your preference of placement is) and "digesting" outer concepts.  Our lower intellectual centre/5th chakra is said to reside in the throat/neck region.  Because of the closeness of the physical mouth to the throat and it's inherent connection, it would make sense to me that the act of eating is symbolic of digesting ideas.  They start in their pure or prepared form and through the various digestive stages, one ends up extracting the nutrients, aka beneficial/useful ideas, and ends up with a pile of shit or unwanted materials at the literal end of the process to be expelled back to the earth for recycling, in the region of the 1st chakra, that of material reality.  On a side note, it's also interesting that air, the other form of "food" in the fourth way system involves the mouth as well, though more appropriately controlled by the nose. 

I may be completely off my rocker, but just throwing out some observations to bounce off others or to possibly add to personal understanding if possible.  I also find it's nice to be able to get personal developing ideas out in physical form and memory for future refining.