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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Some people react differently to nicotine.&nbsp; I never had a problem quitting, even after smoking for years.&nbsp; It was a little hard not having one with friends at work, but no big deal.&nbsp; Weed, which is supposed to not be nearly as addictive, is far far harder for me to resist.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[limukala]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-15T01:07:13Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Attention meat shoppers...]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I still live at home (21) (quite common in this country) And both my parents smoke about 1-2 packs per day so i&#039;m a really really heavy passive smoker. What is interesting is that i&#039;ve spent long periods of time in &quot;smoke free&quot; enviroment (30 days) and i didnt get any kind of noticable withdrawal symptoms.</p><p>I wonder if passive is really less bad than active. Then again i do have severe breathing problems and allergies but those too are under control after spring is over (right now i feel alot better)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Hkelukka]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-13T22:25:35Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Attention meat shoppers...]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Just as an aside, it&#039;s not difficult to stop consuming addictive substances.&nbsp; What is very, very difficult is getting oneself into the proper mindset to facilitate quitting.&nbsp; I know this from my own personal experience, and I was a heavy smoker.&nbsp; If one doesn&#039;t really want to stop something, it will be impossible for them to stop and vice versa.&nbsp; Belief and state of mind are everything.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Soloflecks]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-13T17:29:57Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I like Hydroponics Strawberries…<br /><a href="http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/nov98/hydro1198.htm">http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/n … ro1198.htm</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Pictus]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-13T09:23:40Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I knew they were doing this with those prepackaged salads, (inflating the bag with nitrogen and carbon dioxide to keep the greens from wilting) but I didn&#039;t know they&#039;d moved on to meat. In the future, this sort of thing is going to be done at the genetic level. In order to grow a good strawberry, for instance, you used to need plenty of sun, water, and--above all--healthy soil. Nowadays the soil is so utterly depleted all it does is keep the plants from falling over. The nutrients that used to come from the minerals, microorganisms, fungi, decaying biological matter, and other natural components of soil have been replaced by a few chemical fertilizers. The nutritional quality and taste of whatever is grown in this dead, chemical-soaked soil is compromised. But genetic engineers may be able to take a strawberry that is grown in such conditions and give it the <em>appearance</em> of healthy, delicious food. The other options (using healthy soil, or even a wider variety of fertilizers) are expensive and would negatively impact the bottom line of the corporate farms. For maximum profit, they need a product that can be grown quickly with minimal nutrient requirements, and it has to look good to the consumer. It doesn&#039;t matter whether the food is good for you, or whether it even tastes that great. As long as the new strawberry looks and tastes &quot;strawberryish&quot;, it&#039;ll sell. The funny thing is that these genetically engineered items are going to probably end up tasting like the artificial flavors people <em>expect</em> them to taste like, such as those contained in &quot;grape&quot; Kool-Aid, &quot;strawberry&quot; Pop-Tarts, &quot;watermelon&quot; Jolly Ranchers, and others. The new strawberry will be huge, bright red, very sweet, Pop-Tart-esque, cheap to produce, and nutritionally worthless. That&#039;s just one plant-based example. I can&#039;t even imagine what kinds of living monstrosities will be produced by genetic engineers trying to create cheap, non-spoiling, bright red meat.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[czyx]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-13T08:51:30Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" />...I think I&#039;ll stick with my Outback favorite Gold Coast Coconut Shrimp with a Caesar Salad...and for sure go for the Chocolate Thunder From Down Under <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /> .</p><p>Thanks Pictus and sinaptix, and Risen and lyra (though your posts are gone), your humor and input are why I have edited my post.</p><p>I am sorry for having sounded like such a nudge. My apologizes all the way around.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Auendove]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-12T10:50:57Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Pictus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>From Outback Steakhouse...</p></blockquote></div><p>and for desert they you can have some of their &quot;Chocolate Thunder From Down Under&quot;</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[sinaptix]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-12T05:25:37Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>From Outback Steakhouse...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Pictus]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-12T03:44:37Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Attention meat shoppers...]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>I wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Well, not that I&#039;m making excuses for myself, but I don&#039;t actually smoke all that much. Most days 2 or 3 a day, some days none at all, and rarely I&#039;ll smoke more than just 2 or 3 a day.</p></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><cite>Lemniscate wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>But you sound JUST like my dad whenever the subject of smoking comes up. <strong>He defends it with a passion, excusing it to the Nth degree, and coming up with all kinds of rationalizations.</strong></p></blockquote></div><p>There was very little &quot;passion,&quot; no &quot;Nth degree,&quot; and no coming up with &quot;all kinds&quot; of rationalizations in my post. It&#039;s actually two short and simple sentences.</p><p>Lemni, the passion is your own. While I feel for the position you&#039;re in with your father, I do believe you&#039;re projecting your issues with your father onto me. Please, at least, take this under consideration, okay?</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Lemniscate wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I will discuss this no further, since I feel it makes you uncomfortable, and I don&#039;t want to do that. I will state that one of the hardest things to deal with in life is trying to help one who doesn&#039;t want to be helped. It&#039;s the most difficult thing about being an empath. Please don&#039;t take this personally. I value you. I just want you to realize that same value within yourself.</p></blockquote></div><p>Lemniscate, you&#039;ve made it impossible not to take it personally. You should&#039;ve stopped after the first sentence, and not further followed with the remainder that makes it impossible not to take it personally.</p><p>While I do think <em>you believe</em> that you have my best interests at heart, and whether or not you&#039;re an empath, you <em>do not</em> know me know me well and complete enough to discern to what extent I actually do value myself...or how well I know who I am, or just how aware I am (a reference to your post to me on the Poll/abduction thread). </p><p>Please know that I am not looking to have any hard feelings between the two of us.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Auendove]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-11T21:30:28Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Auendove, I love you hon&#039;, and you&#039;re important in life. But you sound JUST like my dad whenever the subject of smoking comes up. He defends it with a passion, excusing it to the Nth degree, and coming up with all kinds of rationalizations.</p><p>Limukala is correct, I was referring to orthodox research comparing the chemicals of nicotine, heroin, cocaine, and others. What the researchers stated was the heinous action of nicotine and how it veritably <br />&quot;demonically&quot; (their words) took over the human psyche and physiology. Where the ones addicted to the other chemicals &quot;had a chance&quot;, the ones addicted to nicotine had less of one because of how it interreacted within their system.</p><p>I was compelled to study up on this because my dad almost died from smoking . . . twice.</p><p>I will discuss this no further, since I feel it makes you uncomfortable, and I don&#039;t want to do that. I will state that one of the hardest things to deal with in life is trying to help one who doesn&#039;t want to be helped. It&#039;s the most difficult thing about being an empath. Please don&#039;t take this personally. I value you. I just want you to realize that same value within yourself.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Lemniscate]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-11T15:10:50Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Lemniscate and limukala, thank you both for you input about cigs and addiction. </p><p>I really didn&#039;t mean for the thread to get sidetracked by my &quot;true confession&quot;, I just realized my personal hypocrisy, and wanted to set the record straight.</p><p>It&#039;s true, <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> confession is good for the soul, but it does nothing for the issue of gasing meat...or at least not until the meat/grocer industry (at least some grocers) try some on for size--</p><p>Meat/grocer industry&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;I confess to taking advantage of the consumer and putting their health at risk, for profit.&quot;</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Auendove]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-11T09:39:57Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I think Lemi was referring to a study a while back which rated many addictive substances on many criteria, and then gave a composite rating of addictive potential or some such.&nbsp; Nicotine was only beat my crack and smoked meth, and alcohol slightly beat out heroin, but that was because severity of withdrawal symptoms was only one facet.&nbsp; There were 5 others, but I can only remember one or two, namely social acceptibility (which explains why cigarettes would beat heroin) and ease of addiction (how fast it happens).&nbsp; It all depends on how you look at it, but there is definitely a lot more social support if a heroin addict wants to quit than a smoker, and smokers have a lot more reinforcement around them.&nbsp; I know for my wife the hardest part of quiting was (is) being around smokers at work and not having one on break.&nbsp; I doubt too many ex-junkies have to worry about that.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[limukala]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-11T02:24:36Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Well, not that I&#039;m making excuses for myself, but I don&#039;t actually smoke all that much. Most days 2 or 3 a day, some days none at all, and rarely I&#039;ll smoke more than just 2 or 3 a day.</p><p>For what it&#039;s worth, I thought I&#039;d clarify this. I&#039;m more concerned about myself speaking out of school, than the other issue. That may sound bass ackwards, but it&#039;s true.</p><p>And, I&#039;ve seen both smokers and heroin addicts in withdrawal (I was a Methadone Clinic Addictions Counselor for a half-year)...the heroin/narcotics addict definitely seems to me to have the harder row to hoe. I&#039;m not challenging you, I&#039;m just sharing my up close and personal observations.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Auendove]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-11T00:26:26Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to assist you in bending your leg into an unnatural position, but . . .<br /><a href="http://www.quit-smoking-stop.com/harmful-chemicals-in-cigarettes.html">http://www.quit-smoking-stop.com/harmfu … ettes.html</a></p><p>My dad smokes as well. I&#039;ve tried to talk sense into him, but as I&#039;ve researched &quot;nicotine is harder to kick than heroin&quot;.</p><p>It&#039;s so sad to watch a human being killing themselves. He coughs horrendously and incessantly. It&#039;s gotta come from within, though . . .</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Lemniscate]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-11T00:07:10Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>I wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/yikes.png" width="15" height="15" alt="yikes" /> I&#039;ll tell ya&#039;ll...I don&#039;t care if the CO levels in these packages are within or even far below acceptable standards. I don&#039;t care if there aren&#039;t bioaccumulation issues. I don&#039;t want it coursing through any part of my body.</p></blockquote></div><p><img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" /> <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" /> <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" /> and <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/hmm.png" width="15" height="15" alt="hmm" /></p><p>I was cooking dinner after writing my post, and thinking (uh-oh). I thought about this part I had written, and then thought again. You should have seen me trying to kick myself in the arse <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /> . <em>Because</em> I couldn&#039;t kick myself in the arse I thoroughly gave myself what for. It wasn&#039;t pretty <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /> .</p><p>I raised such rant, and the truth be known--I smoke Marlboro Lights. Big DOH!</p><p>Maybe this is an unnecessary &quot;true confession&quot;, but I couldn&#039;t let it go without owning up to my climbing up on a soap box...like a hypocrite.</p><p>OUCH! </p><p>Ohhhh weeeeell... <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> live and learn.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-06-10T23:49:25Z</updated>
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