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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ayahuasca mentioned something about lack of shamanic history associated with weed.&nbsp; I would wager that your experience with shamanic entheogens is limited to latin america, and as herb is a fairly recent introduction there, it would be surprising to find it used in such a way.&nbsp; It does have a very long history of religious and ecstatic use in its native central/south asia though.&nbsp; For instance Bhang (a milk and weed based drink) is traditionally consumed during many Indian religious festivals (like the Holi holi festival).&nbsp; I don&#039;t know of it being used in a strictly &quot;shamanic&quot; way (to journey to heaven/hell for the purpose of divination or healing, etc) but it definitely has a long history of entheogenic/ecstatic use (I use the word ecstatic literally, not in the colloquial sense of &quot;feels really good&quot;).&nbsp; There is a reason all those himalayan monks collect so much hash.</p><p>I would definitely agree with those on this thread that have said something to the effect of &quot;weed can expand consciousness, but overuse will lead to negative effects.&quot;&nbsp; I used to have deep spiritual experiences when I smoked herb.&nbsp; Unfortunately 13 years of heavy smoking later I don&#039;t get anything close to the effect I used to (and its not just tolerance, if I smoke a lot I just fall asleep now).&nbsp; I have found that the less I smoke it, the more powerful and beneficial the experience is.&nbsp; The same with other psychedelics.&nbsp; </p><p>I think psychedelics also carry risk of increased vulnerability to psychic attack, probably because it places you firmly in the realm in which these forces operate.&nbsp; In other words, the aspect that makes the experience valuable and instructive also makes you more vulnerable.&nbsp; Perhaps the same is true with weed.&nbsp; Being high definitely makes coherent posting more difficult, so perhaps I should quit now while I&#039;m ahead.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The Tim Leary stuff is really interesting and it sounds like another way of describing OPs perhaps with this model?<br />Robert Anton Wilson has taken the Leary model and expanded on it and i think makes it more understandable in this free e book</p><p><a href="http://www.solharvest.com/cclosers/RAWilson-Prometheus.pdf">http://www.solharvest.com/cclosers/RAWi … etheus.pdf</a></p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>StarCat wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If your life is working, and you are happy, and things are going well....all roses and ganja is part of your path and you enjoy it then fine. Its not a problem for &quot; you.&quot;<br />I think some of the counterpoints offered had more to do with people who have seen others greatly damaged by this type of thing and in heavy denial about it. People here on Earth can be very different with different sensitivities and origins in antiquity that we know very little about.<br />Again, all power plant substances open your energy field. Depending on many things that are not properly undetstood, its very easy for some people to then take on all&nbsp; manner of &quot; unnatural &quot; energy attachements.</p></blockquote></div><p>I think that pretty much sums it up.&nbsp; Here are my collected thoughts.</p><p>1.&nbsp; Power plants should be respected, not feared.</p><p>2.&nbsp; The vibration of a particular plant may be more or less harmonious with the vibration of a particular person who may be using that plant, and hence, more useful to some people than to others.</p><p>3.&nbsp; Plants may potentiate the expression of certain personality characteristics, but they do not create them.&nbsp; Therefore, use of a plant may exacerbate a current imbalance, but it is not the source of an imbalance.</p><p>4.&nbsp; Use, or nonuse, of a plant affects the evolution of consciousness only to the nature and degree of intent (or lack thereof) involved.</p><p>OK, now moving on!</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>StarCat wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>&quot;The Post-Larval Must Be Very Cautious in Communicating with Larval Humans</p></blockquote></div><p>This is a fascinating article.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Tim Leary wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In communicating with larvals one must realize that discussions about life, death, philosophic ultimates, child-rearing, sexuality - are highly individualistic. Reactions to these topics are unpredictable, depending on the intimacy and safety of the situation.</p><p>During a philosophic discussion with post-terrestrials, larvals will often get carried away in temporary enthusiasm, confess doubt about their cosmologies, admit ethical relativities and even accept post-larval strivings to leave the planet and escape death.</p><p>Discussing exo-psychology with a yokel is like discussing sexual experiences with a pre-adolescent. SHe just can&#039;t understand the new reality because Hir neural circuits have not been turned-on. And SHe may turn you in for philosophic child-molesting.</p><p>Sooner or later the larval is going to realize that, after the exciting flight conversation, SHe is going to remain grounded. At this point the yokel can become passionately moralistic, attacking the post-terrestrial for being elitist, callous to human suffering, anti-human, escapist, or even diabolical.</p></blockquote></div><p>Well Mr. Leary pretty much just explained the basic pattern of my past romantic relationships and confirmed why I&#039;ve pretty much given up on trying to date &quot;yokels&quot;! <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /> Oh sure, they&#039;re all cute and &quot;open-minded&quot; until it comes time to put philosophy to the test.&nbsp; Then it&#039;s back to programming as usual.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Tim Leary wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Look within. Astral travel, passive changing of consciousness will transport us to the promised land.</p></blockquote></div><p>Inner change is not enough.&nbsp; Transformation comes through expressing that change into the external world.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Tim Leary wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Return to nature. Back to the paleolithic! Simplify, avoid technology, stalk the wild asparagus, rely on body wisdom, organic purity, sensory pleasure.</p></blockquote></div><p>Technology is not going away.&nbsp; The trick is to learn how to use technology to support nature, rather than interfere with it.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Tim Leary wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>All is one. The cosmos is a homogenous mist of flavorless cotton-candy. Exo-psychology and neurogenetics are attacked as unnatural, elitist attempts to differentiate the vanilla-pudding unity of simplistic Hinduism, Buddhism, u.s.w.</p></blockquote></div><p>Oneness does not mean sameness.</p><p>Well I guess there&#039;s at least one person who seems to have benefited from the use of psychoactive substances. . .</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If your life is working, and you are happy, and things are going well....all roses and ganja is part of your path and you enjoy it then fine. Its not a problem for &quot; you.&quot;<br />I think some of the counterpoints offered had more to do with people who have seen others greatly damaged by this type of thing and in heavy denial about it. People here on Earth can be very different with different sensitivities and origins in antiquity that we know very little about. <br />Again, all power plant substances open your energy field. Depending on many things that are not properly undetstood, its very easy for some people to then take on all manner of &quot; unnatural &quot; energy attachements.<br />This along with the way it seems to dirty the aura should be a yellow flag to the Energy Warrior on the path.<br />Also it seems to blind people to situations going on in their lives that peers notice as unhealthy in the large.<br />Add to this the negative Egos vehement defense of its appetites with all manner of elaborate and contrived justifications, some of them fantastic.....just like the effects. Interesting.</p><p>AS I said before and I think Robert Monroe would have agreed, you SHOULD enjoy your stay on Earth.<br />If its your thing, then by all means do it up right, but be aware that there is a real dark side to this thing and not only &quot; your mileage may vary &quot; but other people have gotten themselves in major tight spots with it.<br />There is a shadow side that is well active as in most things here.<br />All of this is coming from someone who has been there and back with this thing, so I have first hand experience as well as experience studying people who have made it a way of life and their lives are positively in tatters down the road, and they not only have become great liars about it but have erected all manner of elaborate defense structures within their reality which then severely limits expression.</p><p>The following is an article by Tim Leary which I consider one of his best and one that pertains to this subject.<br />Please take note of what he refers to as &quot; Hedonic Masturbation.&quot;<br />He like a few others has noticed the role DNA plays in all the show.</p><p>&quot;The Post-Larval Must Be Very Cautious in Communicating with Larval Humans</p><p>Exo-psychology holds that the human larval exists in a reality defined by the four survival imprints. Although the brain receives 100 million impulses a second, mundane consciousness is limited to signals which have been conditioned to one of the four imprinted game-boards.</p><p>Unconditioned sensations, the raw swirl of an unfiltered reality, exist as background noise.</p><p>In communicating with larvals the following points must, therefore, be remembered:</p><p>The larval has no interest in you, you do not exist, unless you can hook into Hir limited reality-island, transmit on Hir narrow mind-band, unless your behavior offers meaning in terms of possible benefit or threat to Hir:</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;1. cellular well being<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;2. emotional-hierarchical status<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;3. artifact manipulation game<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;4. socio-sexual security; domestic reassurance</p><p>All larval interactions are instrumental to one of the four survival attitudes. Larvals are comfortably adapted to this limited four-channel communication, scan automatically for the survival meaning of each stimulus and scuttle by each other like ants, each intent on Hir own &quot;reality&quot; - reacting automaticallly to relevant cues from others.</p><p>Larval communication occurs in terms of four systems, some of which are comprehensible to the entire species, some of which are limited to members of the same cultural-imprint group.</p><p>Larvals do not like to receive information unless the facts fit into their 3rd Circuit reality net and immediately reward their emotional status. Democrats were delighted to hear the facts about Nixon, but Republicans were irritated and resistant.</p><p>Larvals submit themselves to learn new symbols only under special motivational circumstances where the new connections build on and confirm established systems or give promise of future emotional rewards of which the teacher is model.</p><p>Larvals fervently resist new symbols which require a change in their network of associations. This resistance to learning is not psychological; it is neurological and biochemical. New ideas require a change in the wiring of associations and literally cause a &quot;headache.&quot;</p><p>Communicating with a larval involves building onto the net of associations. You must literally wire each new idea to an existing neural connection. Larvals learn almost no new symbol systems after childhood. They simply add on or translate into symbols closely connected to the imprint. This accounts for the fact that it takes at least one generation for a new idea to be understood.</p><p>It is especially important in communicating with larvals to remember that few symbols now exist for post-larval processes.</p><p>You cannot use butterfly language to communicate with caterpillars.</p><p>Circuit 4 language involves domestic-moral and social values. Here we discover that there are great cultural differences. The basic sperm-egg invitations to orgasm are, of course, global, but the semantics of displacement, inhibition and sublimation become subtle. Indeed, the individuality, intimacy, specificity, inconsistency and volatility of value symbols requires the greatest caution on the part of post-larvals communicating with yokels.</p><p>Most larvals live in terror of being seen as sinful or &quot;bad.&quot; Constant reassurance is required to maintain the feeling of being socially approved.</p><p>In communicating with larvals about sexual, philosophic, or ethical matters, one enters very dangerous terrain. It is almost impossible to discuss philosophy with yokels. Hypocrisy, unconscious motivation, irrational paradox, need for approval and fear-of-shame dominate every discussion of philosophy-religion.</p><p>Larvals may be bored by and may tune-out Circuit 3 symbols which do not fit their imprints and conditioned networks. But Circuit 4 moral symbols or behaviors which are sensed as different trigger off responses of passion and even violence. Because of this philosophic sensitivity, yokel humans tend to avoid philosophic discussions.</p><p>This phobia can cause painful reactions when a post-larval attempts to discuss exo-psychology with a mundane.</p><p>The reasons for this philosophic phobia:</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; 1. Yokels are ignorant about where life came from, where it is going and why. They are thus terrified by their mortality. Each larval has accepted a flimsy philosophy of life-and-death which SHe does not really believe. Thus the irritation and panic when this basic hypocrisy is threatened by a scientific discussion about life-origin and life destination.</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &quot;The Lutheran church has always been based on the Bible,&quot; explains Phil Beck, Production Manager of a local paint company and the superintendent of the Church&#039;s Sunday School. &quot;If you start questioning it, where do you stop? If I have to have that much education to sit down and understand Genesis, then why did God let Luther put it in the people&#039;s language? At what point do I throw the whole mad mess out the door?&quot; Time magazine </p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; 2. Yokels are robot-slaves to DNA. They blindly labor to perpetuate the species, to breed, to establish domestic arrangements for rearing young and to transmit cultural survival patterns. Any discussion which threatens to expose or question this robothood is extremely painful. The larval cannot tolerate the insight into uneasy areas of uncertainty.</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; 3. Expression and inhibition of sexual behavior is charged with terror, because orgasm and sperm-egg transfer must be domesticated to provide for stable child rearing.</p><p>In communicating with larvals one must realize that discussions about life, death, philosophic ultimates, child-rearing, sexuality - are highly individualistic. Reactions to these topics are unpredictable, depending on the intimacy and safety of the situation.</p><p>Hypocrisy and violent defensiveness is endemic.</p><p>Post-terrestrials, of course, think of little else except what happens after larval imprints are retracted. They are fascinated by communications with their body, their brain, their DNA.</p><p>Post-larvals emit vibrations which sometimes disturb yokels and other times seduce them into a temporary abandonment of philosophic repressions.</p><p>Post-terrestrials are usually funny, erotic, relativistic and philosophically provocative. Yokels can unconsciously sense the difference in a post-terrestrial. It is therefore advisable to be accurate and sensitive when interacting with larvals.</p><p>One must be careful not to seduce the yokel into betraying too much truth.</p><p>During a philosophic discussion with post-terrestrials, larvals will often get carried away in temporary enthusiasm, confess doubt about their cosmologies, admit ethical relativities and even accept post-larval strivings to leave the planet and escape death.</p><p>The post-terrestrial is urged to act with delicacy to avoid any overt or implied criticism of yokel values. It must be remembered that, to the larval, astronomy and genetics involve 4th Circuit ethical issues, which threaten loss of moral approval.</p><p>Discussing exo-psychology with a yokel is like discussing sexual experiences with a pre-adolescent. SHe just can&#039;t understand the new reality because Hir neural circuits have not been turned-on. And SHe may turn you in for philosophic child-molesting.</p><p>Sooner or later the larval is going to realize that, after the exciting flight conversation, SHe is going to remain grounded. At this point the yokel can become passionately moralistic, attacking the post-terrestrial for being elitist, callous to human suffering, anti-human, escapist, or even diabolical.</p><p>Immortals must be careful not to wound the sensibilities of mortals.</p><p>In particular, one must be diplomatic in discussing the future evolution of the human species. Larval humans naturally believe that evolution has already reached its highest stage with homo sapiens!</p><p>Circuit 7 discussions which suggest that evolution is just half-completed, that the human species is fetal and not yet born, that many new superior species will evolve from the present gene pool - are especially wounding to yokel hubris.</p><p>Science fiction writers and astronomers have often speculated on the problem of communication between human and interstellar entities. This problem is no longer academic. It is happening. This book is an example.</p><p>Post-terrestrials Must Also Be Cautious In Communicating with Premature Post-larvals</p><p>&quot;The Hippy&quot; and the &quot;Yogi-Body Engineer&quot; represent the first two of twelve post-terrestrial stages, transitional stages of &quot;wingless butterflies,&quot; evolved beyond terrestrial attachments, no longer hooked to mundane symbols. The one-G earth and its survival routines are no longer &quot;real.&quot; The Hippie-Zen adept is no longer reflexively reactive to emotional status cues, is unmotivated for dexterous success and unmoved by the virtue-shame systems by which society domesticates its workers; but has not yet evolved to the mastery of the newly activated circuits. The true post-terrestrial is shame-less.</p><p>The word &quot;Hippy&quot; is a generic term for the first post-larval stages describing those who genetically (Zodiac type) , neurologically (imprint) or historically (hedonic/sub-cultures) get trapped in passive-receptive hedonic life styles. Transcendental masturbation.</p><p>The first post-Hiroshima generation has produced millions of Zen &quot;Hippies&quot; who have evolved from the mundane but do not realize that they are extra-terrestrial.</p><p>The problem is, in part, one of historical linguistics. The only languages, the only symbols provided by primitive psychology for extramundane experiences were &quot;larval religious.&quot; The new reality of the Hippy is symbolized by vague, mystical terms.</p><p>A communication vacuum develops. On the one hand, The Hippy, Yogi and Tantric relaizes that SHe has evolved somehow. On the other hand, the five-brained person, detached from larval symbols, lurches around grasping at any transcendental straw - magic, occultism, chanting, witchcraft, telepathy, guru-ism, mystical Christianity, Hassidism, experimental evangelism, the endless varieties of oriental charlatanism.</p><p>The trap of body-consciousness and sensory consumerism has been well summarized by Federico Fellini:</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &quot;People are losing faith in the future. Our [larval] education, unfortunately, molded us for a life that was always tensed towards a series of achievements - school, military service, a career and, as a grand finale, the encounter with the heavenly father. But now that our tomorrows no longer appear in that optimistic perspective, we are left with a feeling of impotence and fear. People who can no longer believe in a &quot;better tomorrow&quot; logically tend to behave with a desperate egotism. They are preoccupied with protecting, brutally if necessary, those little personal gains, one&#039;s little body, one&#039;s little sensual appetites. To me this is the most dangerous feature of the &#039;70&#039;s&quot;</p><p>Five-brained persons flopping around sporadically detached from mundane imprints, lacking a vocabulary and a methedology for extra-terrestrial movement, falll back on larval concepts of transcendence. Caterpillar fantasies about what post-larval life will be like.</p><p>A warning is in order. Many five-brained Hippies and Yogis are the most vehement opponents of extra-terrestrial evolution. They use three bland sets of criteria to resist practical plans for interstellar migration:</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; Look within. Astral travel, passive changing of consciousness will transport us to the promised land.</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; Return to nature. Back to the paleolithic! Simplify, avoid technology, stalk the wild asparagus, rely on body wisdom, organic purity, sensory pleasure.</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; All is one. The cosmos is a homogenous mist of flavorless cotton-candy. Exo-psychology and neurogenetics are attacked as unnatural, elitist attempts to differentiate the vanilla-pudding unity of simplistic Hinduism, Buddhism, u.s.w.</p><p>Underlying all three of these occult postures is a revulsion against science, technology, evolution and intellectual competence. Implicit in the occultist theory is the assumption that there is nothing left to learn except to rote-memorize some Hindu chants, to rote-recite some glib theosophical dogmas, to quiet the restless inquiring mind.</p><p>The three stages of the neurosomatic circuit - 13. Hippy, 14. Yogi, 15. Tantric - are body-oriented and involve a deliberate symbol-stupidity. It is understandable that the five-brained person reacts against the insectoid-cyborg materialism of larval technology, the scientism that produces plastic consumerism, military-industrialism, assembly-line anonomie, and polluted over-population. But the rejection of scientific inquiry becomes a know-nothing smugness. Occultists become long-haired rednecks.</p><p>The evidence from astronomy, bio-chemistry, genetics, nuclear-physics, defines the true frontier of philosophy and religion. Scientific American is more &quot;far-out&quot; than any occult magazine, the Periodic Table of Elements more prophetic than the Tarot deck. The nucleus of the atom is a realm more mysterious and omnicient than any theological fantasy. The cosmology of an expanding-universe-riddled-with-Black-Holes more bizarre than the eschatologies of Dante, Homer and Ramayana.</p><p>Despite this noble rejection of the artificial, the Hippie-Yogi-Tantric establishment is an entrenched, self-indulgent block to evolution - a transitional stage preparatory to planetary migration.</p><p>We see the limitations of neurosomatic contelligence most clearly in the teachings of don Juan. Castaneda&#039;s warrior-sorcerers are admirable in their dignified, humorous, disciplined attempts to retract social imprints. Don Juan has worked out an accurate, metaphorical neurologic. He precisely defines the larval-imprint reality-island (tonal) and the direct experience of the nagual.</p><p>But don Juan&#039;s philosophy is pessimistic: &quot;There are no survivors on this earth.&quot; It fails to evolve to Stage 15 neurosomatic linkage: &quot;And then I was alone,&quot; is the bleak conclusion.</p><p>The first post-Hiroshima generation was truly a lost generation. Liberated from yokel imprints but with no place to go beyond body geography. The cynicism and malaise of the 1970&#039;s is the result of this disillusion.</p><p>For these reasons the exo-psychologist must speak with caution in communicating with the members of the &quot;Woodstock&quot; generation. They have imprinted their bodies but are too old and set in their ways (at age 25-35) [when this was written] to receive the neurophysical signals for extra-terrestrial migration.</p><p>. . .</p><p>This [information] is not for Every Body. The human species is now at a point of genetic fission. Assume that ninety-three percent of the species is going to adapt to life on the planet. Ecology is the seductive dinosaur science that will lead most of the post-human species to conform to terrestrial conditions, become reasonably comfortable, passive, robot-conditioned cyborg insectoids directed by centralized (ABC, NBC, CIA, CNN, MAO, KGB) broadcasting systems. For terrestrial readers this manual outlines the neurological steps necessary to adapt harmoniously to hedonic, five-brained cyborg existence.</p><p>This transmission flashes a different signal for the seven percent who we assume are DNA-designed to attain biological immortality, leave the womb-planet, become galactic citizens and fuse with superior interstellar entities.</p><p>This manual is not designed for conventional author-reader games.</p><p>It is a signal for mutation.</p><p>A test of intelligence.<br />A scan for personal power.&quot;</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If the govt&#039;s against it then I&#039;m for it!&nbsp; Did you hear the FDA recently lie and say there&#039;s no evidence of MJ&#039;s health benefits?&nbsp; Fockin&#039; bastards.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>thr33tim3 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Cannabis (aka Marijuana, a sedative, change in perception, colors and sounds more distinct, time distorted. This drug is not used much in Monarch Programming because it IMPEDES mind control.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes!&nbsp; This is why I think this plant is a positive force overall, despite some of its negative effects in some circumstances.&nbsp; It heightens certain awarenesses (for some) and these can range from groovy sensory input to paranoia about your surroundings, possibly enhanced by negative entities.&nbsp; I&#039;ve experienced plenty of both, and I wonder how awake I would be now if I had never touched the stuff.</p><p>And I also agree about its control and distribution for profit.&nbsp; I&#039;ve seen it up close and of course it gets more and more disgusting as you go up the chain.&nbsp; Good people are debased and forced to do disgusting things like in any control paradigm.&nbsp; This should be the number one argument for legalization regardless of how one feels about the effects of the plant.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-05-11T18:12:58Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>In Fritz Springmeier &amp; Cisco Wheeler&#039;s book The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave, there is a chapter on the drugs known to be used in mind control programming. It had this to say about the ganga:</p><p>Cannabis (aka Marijuana, a sedative, change in perception, colors and sounds more distinct, time distorted. This drug is not used much in Monarch Programming because it IMPEDES mind control. It has been experimented with in combination with other drugs as an interrogation tool. The CIA listed it as being used in MK-Ultra, but it served as an experimental drug rather for programming.)</p><p>This is something I have also heard from other sources, that mind control slaves are forbidden/limited from using MJ as it actually helps rebuild memory connections within the brain. Cathy O&#039;Brien made a statement to this effect in one of her lectures on the Trance Formation video. The criminalization of marijuana may have a lot more to do with its free-ing effects on the minds of victims of mind control than anything else.<br />Just a thought.<br /> Tim</p>]]></content>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pot Smoking and Other Spiritual Hazards]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Greetings, interesting post. The one thing that has not been mentioned, is the unfairness involved with marijuana. Even though it is a simple plant, it is an expensive, illegal one at that. So there is an active agenda that is both preventing, and allowing people to smoke marijuana. Growers that are able to manifest large grow rooms, easily grow pounds of marijuana that is sold for very high prices. This is where marijuana is contributed to evil powers. It is evil, that a simple, healing plant, should be put through such a process. This should be a plant, that if anyone was interested, they could easily grow in their own garden. And use their own plants to their own moderation, at will. Instead, we have a limited system, that prevents people from doing such, and only large growers are the ones who are able to grow at all. So, I can state that it is evil, that a simple plant can be sold for very costly prices, and then the smokers who are again, only wanting to briefly heal themselves, have to pay that price. I honestly think that it could have positive qualities, though I think the first thing that would need to change, is that it was a legal plant. People would not question it so frequently if it was something that was legal, in fact, we can all state that it would probobaly have become some sort of &#039;herbal shaman blend,&#039; sold for about half the price it is, at boutique health food stores if it was legal. Look at how simple herbs like ginseng are put into everything! But no one ever pays hundreds of dollars a pound for ginseng! </p><p>Even classifying this herb with other drugs, does limit it entirely. I remember being a school girl who was told about mind expanding drugs. Most of those drugs were made in labs, by people with an even more deceptive agenda, than probobaly those wealthy pot growers. It would be exciting, to live in a space where you could explore the region and find healing plants and smoke them in such a way. Or cook them in such a way. Many documents have been written about the healing properties of this herb, though it has always been held at a distance to the general public.&nbsp; I personally believe that this is why people have so much hesitation about using it. Why would one want to knowingly pay anything for any sort of mind altering experience, when we already have a mind? Right? But then again, people use mind altering drugs all of the time, and Satanists drink the blood of dying humans, and that gets them excited. So I do think that the potential to influence the mind, (postive or negatively) can be made by a choice. And you can make that choice and then decide what to do after that. </p><p>Peace! Tracy</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[thr33tim3]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-05-11T03:36:42Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pot Smoking and Other Spiritual Hazards]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>uuummmm,aah</p><p>....does anybody uummmmmm........er ,does anyone here (growfff....hock a noogie)<br />......uuuuhhhhmmmmmmmm&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;DOES anyone over here&nbsp; ummm&nbsp; haveum...a blade???</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[holotropic]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-04-19T16:03:55Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Ayahuasca wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It sounds a lot more interesting than most religions, to me anyway, but I&#039;m not really drawn to it. There&#039;s still quite a lot of dogma and belief there.</p><p><a href="http://www.csp.org/nicholas/face.html">http://www.csp.org/nicholas/face.html</a> is an interesting article.</p></blockquote></div><p>Thanks, an interesting article indeed ! </p><p>I am neither drawn to it, though it could be a way of getting into contact with ayahuasca...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pocketable-L]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-04-17T10:23:19Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pot Smoking and Other Spiritual Hazards]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>z3n3rg wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There seems to be some agenda coming from 4d (I suspect) that is getting those of a spiritual orientation to focus on 4d as the heaven to look to.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, absolutely, and I am excited to see others pointing this out.&nbsp; All of this focus on &quot;getting to 4D&quot; is just another layer of control.&nbsp; &nbsp;We are already in 4D!&nbsp; <strong>We exist in all dimensions simultaneously</strong>.&nbsp; &nbsp;Now I do think there is a major opportunity coming up for us to be able to function <em>with full consciousness</em> in multidimensional reality. . but it is not a destination.</p><p>And even if it were. . . 4D isn&#039;t really all that great of a place to be.&nbsp; In fact, post &quot;transition&quot; I think there are a lot more opportunities for the negs to consolidate control while the masses are celebrating their &quot;newfound freedom&quot;.</p><p>My oversoul exists <em>right now</em> in 6D.&nbsp; I do not need to &quot;evolve&quot; or to become it.&nbsp; Now, keeping my physical body relatively clear of toxins, neuromodulators, &quot;heavy&quot; foods, and the like, may absolutely assist me in becoming conscious of my oversoul while using this body.&nbsp; This I will not argue.</p><p>However, I will say that I neither find it necessary nor desireable right now to be conscious of my oversoul in every moment of every day.&nbsp; If at some point I do change my mind, my behavior will change accordingly.&nbsp; I will also say that, should the situation arise that I really need to be in contact with my oversoul, it will happen regardless of how much muck happens to be floating around in my body at that particular moment, cause after all, <strong>I am not my body</strong>.</p><p>But the fact that a part of me, actually <em>most</em> of me, already exists somewhere outside of 3D is proof in and of itself that somehow, someway, I am going to &quot;make it&quot; beyond this body.&nbsp; I cannot fail, and neither can you.&nbsp; Smoking pot isn&#039;t going to stop me.&nbsp; Neither are cigarettes, meat, alcohol, or having lots and lots of sex for that matter.</p><p>When you are learning how to write in grade school, it&#039;s important that you form your letters correctly, dot your i&#039;s, and cross your t&#039;s.&nbsp; By the time you&#039;ve got a graduate degree under your belt, those things aren&#039;t really so important anymore.</p><p>I too, am not going to speak for anybody else, but I will say this about myself.&nbsp; Ain&#039;t no little puff of smoke going to stop me from anything. . . and no, I don&#039;t need that puff of smoke to do anything either.&nbsp; I probably could stop eating and live a lot longer too, but I don&#039;t really care to test that theory out yet because, well, I like food.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[tenetnosce]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-04-16T21:40:12Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pot Smoking and Other Spiritual Hazards]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>tenetnosce wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>We&#039;re already &quot;there&quot;.&nbsp; That&#039;s why saying something like &quot;smoking pot permanently damages your etheric&quot;&nbsp; makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.</p></blockquote></div><p>Now, I may be completely wrong.&nbsp; I&#039;m ready to face that with evidence to the contrary.&nbsp; Until then, this is how I see it.</p><p>The etheric is not the soul.&nbsp; It&#039;s energy.&nbsp; But it&#039;s still physical.&nbsp; There seems to be some agenda coming from 4d (I suspect) that is getting those of a spiritual orientation to focus on 4d as the heaven to look to.&nbsp; Which is still concentrating on the physical just the next level of it.&nbsp; Further, it might give those already in 4d, status of &quot;masters&quot; or &quot;gods&quot; in the eyes of us poor little physical creatures.&nbsp; That&#039;s one of my main concerns with new-age.&nbsp; It&#039;s just a replacement of concentration from one physical realm to another.&nbsp; Don&#039;t get me wrong.&nbsp; You won&#039;t find too many instances where I&#039;m going to even mention it much less hold it against anyone that may be concentrating on that.&nbsp; That&#039;s all their choice.&nbsp; However, it is my duty/responsibility to mention it when &quot;asking&quot; is taking place.&nbsp; That&#039;s the whole STO thing.&nbsp; Although I can&#039;t really say with all certainty, I do consider the participation in a forum such as this as &quot;asking&quot;.</p><p>All that being said there is something else I think should be addressed.&nbsp; It doesn&#039;t matter what you do to your etheric.&nbsp; It&#039;s created by the soul&#039;s interaction with the 3d body.&nbsp; The thing is energy, it&#039;s physical and can be healed quite easily.&nbsp; It&#039;s the same with these physical bodies.&nbsp; The only reason we are all not super-healthy people is because we have 3d/4d morons controlling things right now.&nbsp; It would be quite easy to cure every disease mankind has ever known.&nbsp; There&#039;s no control in that though.&nbsp; In 4d it will be just as easy to have a super-healthy etheric body.&nbsp; We&#039;ll heal each other or use technology.&nbsp; No big deal.&nbsp; It&#039;s not the bodies that are important.&nbsp; It&#039;s the lessons.</p><p>If you are living from your soul, that is, seeking out lessons and concentrating on learning, then anything that no longer fits with your path will be dropped when it&#039;s time to drop it.</p><p>If weed is being used as an temporary escape from being stuck in excrutiating slavery then I see nothing wrong with that use.&nbsp; It&#039;s all a matter of choice.&nbsp; Certainly, I&#039;ll smoke and watch a movie to esacape.&nbsp; But I&#039;ll also smoke and go off into a bunch of spiritual related questions of discovery.&nbsp; I&#039;ve had quite a few epiphanies while using the substance.&nbsp; So, it makes it a bit easier.&nbsp; The fact of the matter is, either I&#039;m here in 3d to see my choice (STO or STS) or I&#039;m here to wake up to what I already know in order to assist others that may ask.&nbsp; I either belong here as part my lessons or I&#039;m here on a mission.&nbsp; Giving what I know about myself I&#039;m leaning heavy to the latter.&nbsp; Therefore, whatever helps me wake up and achieve my mission is within the realm of what I&#039;m going to do.&nbsp; And I&#039;ll tear my etheric from limb to limb if it helps me achieve my mission.</p><p>Now, that&#039;s where I&#039;m coming from.&nbsp; I can&#039;t pretend to know where anyone else is coming from.&nbsp; That is for their discovery.&nbsp; So I will not judge if someone is concentrating on the physical or the etheric.&nbsp; Well, I&#039;ll do my best not to.&nbsp; If I do, that&#039;s something I need to work on.&nbsp; Anyway, I won&#039;t judge others based on what they do with their bodies either.&nbsp; Only the individual can judge if something is beneficial to their spiritual quest.&nbsp; If injecting heroin is beneficial then by god here&#039;s a clean needle, have at it.&nbsp; If the level of hell achieved from heroin is needed to wake up to life, then who am I to attempt to persuade another from that experience?&nbsp; That is my stance.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[z3n3rg]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-04-16T00:36:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pot Smoking and Other Spiritual Hazards]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Ayahuasca wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think it was Alan Watts who, although a proponent of psychedelic usage, said&nbsp; &quot;When you&#039;ve got the message, hang up the phone.&quot; Well I definitely felt I&#039;d got the message, at least from mushrooms anyway.</p><p>I think the reason why Stuart singles out marijuana as opposed to other harmful things like McDonalds, Taco Bell, Mountain Dew and tap water etc, is that no one ever claims they&#039;re using those other things for spiritual purposes.</p></blockquote></div><p>Good points and well-taken.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[tenetnosce]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-04-15T22:35:19Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>lyra wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>pokerboy101381 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I dunno....sounds like everyone here needs to take a few tokes.</p></blockquote></div><p>Why? There&#039;s no fighting or negativity going on.&nbsp; There&#039;s a discussion.</p><p>That usually makes people uncomfortable.&nbsp; Too many people want things to be light and breezy, skimming the surface, airy fairy.&nbsp; I&#039;m not a surface skimmer.&nbsp; !&nbsp; Already several people have commented on things, seeming nervous or uncomfortable.&nbsp; This is absolutely nothing compared to some true arguments that have gone on.&nbsp; This is just conversation.&nbsp; I can totally envision if we were all in the same room together, loafing around on lounge chairs having a lively conversation, everybody interjecting with their ideas and opinions and personal experiences and stories.&nbsp; &nbsp;Meanwhile, zr3x3g gets up and sticks a disc in the CD player and in the background we here Afroman, and then I add &quot;Let&#039;s Go Smoke Some Pot&quot; to the mix, tenetnosce has got his beer...you show up with the bong.&nbsp; <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" />&nbsp; Good times!&nbsp; Come on. </p><p>At least....that&#039;s how I see it.&nbsp; !&nbsp; haha</p></blockquote></div><p>. . . and Montalk&#039;s down in the basement fastidiously working on his latest science project. . </p><p>&quot;Dude!&nbsp; Put the subspace resonance-adjusted gravity modulator down already and come have a beer!&quot;</p><p>&quot;Hold on!&nbsp; I&#039;m just running a few more tests. . . and I don&#039;t drink beer it makes you heavy!&quot;</p><p>[Everybody laughs]</p><p>&quot;That&#039;s it!&nbsp; I&#039;m coming down there with the bong then.&quot;</p><p>&quot;Oh no you&#039;re not!&quot;</p><p>[Goes to get up from the chair, but realizes that his body suddenly weighs 6 tons]</p><p>&quot;What the f*ck?!&quot;</p><p>&quot;See I told ya so!&quot;</p><p>[Lyra giggles and shakes her head]</p><p>&quot;Not funny man!&quot;</p><p><img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[tenetnosce]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-04-15T20:02:42Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pot Smoking and Other Spiritual Hazards]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>z3n3rg wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You guys are funny.&nbsp; My soul was laughing it&#039;s ass off.&nbsp; That is until it started coughing up a lung.&nbsp; Nothing nastier than soul lung butter.&nbsp; My soul was like, look what you done to me.&nbsp; Now, I&#039;ll never become a soul.&nbsp; Wait...er...um...what were we talking about.&nbsp; Crap, now my short-term soul-memory is on the fritz.&nbsp; I&#039;m like the only soul walking around heaven looking over it&#039;s shoulder wondering if the angel cops will notice my soul-eyes are red.&nbsp; I need some 5d visine.&nbsp; Alright Alright, straighten up here comes God.&nbsp; Whew.&nbsp; That was close.&nbsp; Good thing this smoke blends in with the clouds.</p><p>All seriousness aside, smoking weed for 14 years as often as I could afford it has made me uber-paranoid.&nbsp; I have the overwhelming feeling that the whole world is out to help me.&nbsp; I just can&#039;t get rid the feeling.&nbsp; It&#039;s like everything is teaching me stuff.&nbsp; I&#039;m constantly in fear of learning new things around every corner.&nbsp; Why oh why did I smoke so much weed?!&nbsp; If only someone had told me that drugs were bad.&nbsp; If only there were some government, book writers, or anyone that would have told me.&nbsp; Why didn&#039;t anyone care enough to try to save me from myself?&nbsp; Now, I&#039;m doomed.&nbsp; Doomed, I tell you!</p></blockquote></div><p><img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /> That&#039;s hilarious!&nbsp; And you bring up a very good point.&nbsp; </p><p>We&#039;re already &quot;there&quot;.&nbsp; That&#039;s why saying something like &quot;smoking pot permanently damages your etheric&quot;&nbsp; makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[tenetnosce]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-04-15T19:53:36Z</updated>
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