I commend Charlie on voicing his opinion (even if its four years after 9-11).  I feel it is unfortunate that it co-incides with his wife's legal accusations (who knows, maybe he really is doing these reprehensible acts?).

It all adds to the neverending story of the secret PTB forces ridiculing those who have the courage and guts to speak their mind and views.

All we can do is watch what continues to unfold on these matters.

So uhm, what if we take Goro's method and apply it to Sheen?  I dont get too into Hollywood so maybe someone can give me a rundown of some of Sheen's most popular roles in movies?? 

I'd appreciate that, for speculation purposes if nothing else...

Well, here's the link to Charlie Sheen's info. on www.imdb.com which includes everything he's ever acted in:

http://imdb.com/name/nm0000221/

In his case, in light of the allegations against him, some particulars that stand out:

No Code of Conduct
Loaded Weapon
Beyond the Law
Hot Shots
Shadow Conspiracy
Bad Day on the Block
Loose Women

Then the tagline for the movie "Deadfall", some (supposedly) atrociously bad movie from 1993:

"You wont know who to trust.  What to believe.  Or where to turn."

I think that just about sums up the Charlie Sheen situation, what do you think??   !

Seeing how that 90% of people out there (you know, fully plugged in...) are so into TV, it is of course one of the most popular and effective ways of controlling them.  So yeah Sheen and others like himself have been, are, and will be used to "program" the general populace.  See, through hollywood/TV that plugged-in crowd can be easily programmed to either like or dislike something -- or both, creating polarity which accomplishes the same end.

So just as example, let's say Sheen comes out talking conspiracy, and then is made to look like a complete fool/idiot.  Everyone connects sheen with conspiracy so if Sheen is an idiot then so is anyone who talks about conspiracy.

So let's call him a "tool" for now (i know...)  Now heres the thing -- It may be that sheen is aware *or* unaware of his being a tool.  And further, it may be that even the PTB are unaware of his being a tool.

What I mean is this:  Goro Adachi has talked several times about how Arnold (governator) is fulfilling a role based on his character history in movies.  Goro says Arnie may not even be much aware of it.  So I'm saying people often dont even know what/how they're being used, they just end up playing the role, not necessarily on purpose.

So uhm, what if we take Goro's method and apply it to Sheen?  I dont get too into Hollywood so maybe someone can give me a rundown of some of Sheen's most popular roles in movies?? 

I'd appreciate that, for speculation purposes if nothing else...

Lyara wrote:

Lyara: Whether right or wrong, it is what it is.

Let time tell. I'm not against Sheen being mind controlled - in fact: I (aka BHANG) expect it. BUT - There still is a chance Mr. Sheen is a real human being that thinks for his own (to an extent)...

Bhang..........I'm confused here.   My quote "Whether right or wrong, it is what it is" was specifically regarding those people out there who are guaranteed to go after Charlie Sheen's character, instead of looking at his argument.  We know they're going to do this because people have done it before to others, so it's a predictable reaction......you wouldn't do it, I wouldn't do it, Alex Jones wouldn't do it, but others would, and whether right or wrong, it is what it is.   It's how many people operate....and TPTB knew that.  Anyway, that's what I was actually saying.  That's the correct context of that quote you've chosen to excerpt.   So....I'm confused regarding your response, because the response doesn't seem to mesh at all with what I was saying.   At any rate, I created #24 as a direct result of this.   

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 128#p36128

But as far as this goes:  "I've made mistakes but I'm not an idiot as most of your post seems to speculate...."

If I come across as if speculating that you're an idiot, all I can say is that this is the kind of thing that keeps happening whenever you choose to make a post to me.   I mean, you got my name wrong too.  I'm not Lyara, it's lyra.   That's small potatoes, because the real issue is taking this one small, itty bitty line......out of two long posts........and then generating a response that doesn't even match up at all with the quote.  I mean yeah, it's weird, and frustrating.

But as far as the possibility of Sheen not being mind controlled..............of course.  And I did acknowledge that possibility in my last post:

So I'm not sure what exactly we're going back and forth about at this point if you must know.   I mean, what exactly are we debating?    I've said my view, which you 1/2 agree with.  You've said yours, which I've acknowledged is definitely a possibility.  So.....now what?   I don't know.  This doesn't make any sense.   So, with that, I'm leaving off here.

Let time tell. I'm not against Sheen being mind controlled - in fact: I (aka BHANG) expect it. BUT - There still is a chance Mr. Sheen is a real human being that thinks for his own (to an extent)...

We all have our own ideas of reality. Point being thus: I'm half and half on your debate. I do not indorse your claim, nor do I deny it...
I just ask a few questions to get a better perspective.

"Even when you know the answer, you should test your students for the most honest truth."

Lyra, I half agree and half disagree

The whole point of it is the 9/11 truth movement. So why focus on his persoanl life?

As I wrote to another member on my site:

Mr. Sheen's personal affairs are not the issue here.

The issue is the 9/11 truth movement. Period.

We all have had problems with our family and friends. If I said I do not agree with the war in Iraq, would you bring up something I did to my exgirlfriend?

This is a media tactic to take the heat away from the truth. I don't care if Mr.Sheen snorted a pound of coke every day for breakfast, smoked a carton of marlboros and chased it all down with a pint of whiskey while spanking the monkey to pixels... the point is 9/11, not his marriage.

Well, that's nice and all, but, I already talked about this, had you read my entire post you would have seen where I said:

I'm well aware of what you're talking about here Bhang, in both your posts, but, I still don't believe that's entirely what's happening here.  I think it's actually a bit more woo-woo than that.   In my last post I clarified even more what I meant by the woo-woo timing of it all:

I don't think it's a simple case of "Speak out against the Powers That be and there will be hell to pay!" so much as it may be a case of someone being programmed to destroy his personal life, while simultaneousl being programmed to go forward about 9/11 to act as the "celeb spokesperson for the truth!" all in an effort to make sure that his personal life will bite him in the ass and make the entire 9/11 conspiracy movement look stupid.  Right or wrong, people will look at a person's personal life and judge them based on that.......and they will make the unconscious link between "9/11 conspiracy movement" = "unstable mental wackos who hit their wives, have prostitutes killed, stockpile guns and watch kiddie porn!"  I don't do that.  You don't do that.   Alex Jones knows it's a fallacy.   But let's face it........that's what people do. 

I can understand if you disagree with my point of view, but it seems you weren't fully understanding what exactly my point of view even was before disagreeing.   You at least have to fully understand where I'm coming from, before we can agree to disagree.    And maybe it is a simple case of speaking out against TPTB and having hell to pay because of it. But if his wife's accusations are indeed true, and can be proven, then what possessed him to begin acting in such a crazy and incriminating way just prior to him coming forward?  Weird, weird timing.....

The Cautionary Tale of Charlie Sheen..

As a sign of these times, we must travel down the path. The story is set in Hollywood, as so many stories are, involving a man that has become a house hold name. Charlie Sheen. A career, like so many others, marked with the rise and fall of popularity, tabloid scandals, sex drugs and Rock & Roll.

This man, so may call, an average Hollywood citizen, has gone against the grain of American Politics. He has dared to call, with the voice that he has earned in Hollywood, has dared to call our servants in Washington, to do their duty, and to take a second look at the miserable official reports, and shaky evidence given within those reports, detailing the events of and around September 11th, 2001.

At first, the political behemoth turned a blind eye. It's thick skin, so scarred and desensitized to the wailing and gnashing of common folk teeth. Then the national media, in a fit of disobedience took notice. They still called Mr. Sheen a conspiracy theorist, but to the amazement of the Beast, they broadcast information about Building 7, Free fall speed of collapse, ineptitude of hijacker pilots, and cover ups the Beast would rather not be spotlighted.

Suddenly the beast twitches, and Mr. Sheen has a restraining order, prohibiting him from seeing his two daughters. Mr. Sheen has been accused of abusing his estranged wife, and the spotlight is no longer on his words of descent, but on his actions, that may or may not be true.

A cautionary tale, a tale to make you think twice, a tale to warn those that may come out and speak their mind. A tale about disturbing the Beast and facing the consequences of its wraith.

- Jedimaster

The whole point of it is the 9/11 truth movement. So why focus on his persoanl life?

As I wrote to another member on my site:

Nice research, Lyra.  Maligning a person's character (even if there may be lots to malign) is a classic technique for damaging the credibility of a person who may be sharing accurate information.

The Charlie Sheen incident could be a set up from the beginning or it could be damage control.

Yeah, see, what I'm thinking, (and I know this sounds a bit nutty on the surface, but, the timing is just so weird that this theory begs to be considered) but it almost seems that:

A.  Charlie was being programmed by "something", who knows who or what, to be all zealously ("violently") into the conspiracy stuff, and...

B. ....whoever was programming him, might have also been influencing his behavior in his personal life and personal relations, causing him to go completely nutto aggro, and be engaging in illegal and embarrassing/questionable activities, all with the plan to have him come forward with his 9/11 commentary right at the same time that his personal life implodes.

Yes, I know, some would say it sounds nutty, but what are to make of the timing of it all, you know?   And if it seems far fetched that a person could be used in such a callous "pawn-like" way, where their personal lives could be steered and directed like that, as if they're nothing but a puppet on a string, then we have to realize that it happens all the time, every day.  And especially if someone isn't in control of their own self, due to heavy drug use, etc.   It leaves them wide open for anything to get in and take over.  Whether that something be negative entities.......human mind control handlers with an agenda, (or both!) etc. and so on.  Hollyweird stars are especially susceptible to programming and handlers it seems from the research.   Anything is possible.   

And it also might be far fetched to think that something would go to such great lengths to create a pawn like that all in the name of further derailing the growing 9/11 conspiracy movement, (and other movements on a lesser sub note, including anti-vaccines)  but seriously, you never know, right?   As crazy as it all sounds, I just keep coming back to the fact that a well known, high level celebrity actor came forward and loudly started challenging the facts on 9/11......an unusual behavior in itself.....but doing so four and half years after the fact.....and right as his personal life was about to implode from behind the scenes!   

Don't know what to make of it.  But something is suspicious.

The Charlie Sheen incident could be a set up from the beginning or it could be damage control.

My opinion is that The Powers That Be may be trying a little too hard to portray a particular depiction of 9/11/2001.  Trying just a little too hard - in this example and other places with regard to 9/11.  Truth strikes me as effortless, but deception may take lots of work.

Hey Bhang.  I've seen an ad for this movie (Flight 93) - the plane that went down in Pennsylvania on Sep. 11, 2001.   My current opinion is: get ready to be pissed.

We'll see when the movie comes out - but I don't plan on seeing it in the theaters.

it would be interesting to see if Charlie starts to moan about UFO's that would be so inline with everything else.

Well, don't hold your breath, because I doubt he will.   In analyzing what he's said on Alex Jones, as well as what was disclosed about his personality in the document on Smoking Gun, Charlie seems to be the nuts-and-bolts conspiracy guy.   Guns, gas masks, 9/11 as a government plot, coupled with accusations that he has the mentality of "Don't f*** with me or I'll have you taken out."  He's got a nuts and bolts conspiracy personality, not wishy washy New Age personality prone to moaning about something, least of all UFOs.  It's all about reading people. 

And actually, if anything, Charlie would most likely be the guy with a sniper rifle plucking the UFOs off one by one.  But moaning about them?  Nah.  Not his style. 

Well, that something happened, but now that I've read up on it, it seems that this something was the plan all along, rather than something that would spontaneously generate after he came forward regarding the 9/11 conspiracy.

See, the biggest thing I couldn't get over was, "Why now?"  September 11th happened almost five years ago.......and the dude's coming forward....now?  Saying the things that some of us were saying back then?   What took him so long?  Why the wait?  Why now?

Oh, because he didn't have a wife and two kids back then, nor a serious gambling habit, kiddie porn habit, etc. and so on.    In other words, stuff that could become a tangled mess.

And I don't get into all this in a celeb gossip way - it's purely because I was following the Sheen/911 story with interest, and just knew something was going to happen.  Call it intuition, I don't know.   So, I'm talking about all of this due to the REALLY far out, "woo woo" implications of it all, which I'll get to in a second, rather than celeb gossip.

Denise Richards, his wife, is asking for a restraining order on Charlie, and the Smoking Gun has got a copy of the 17 page legal document that she filed in SoCal:

From www.thesmokinggun.com:

Then the document gets into his conspiracy nutto "interests."   And this is what interested me, and I was wondering if this would be included in the doc:

Okay, this is what I'm interested in.

Vaccines being poisionous.........I'm behind that.

9/11 being a conspiracy.....absolutely.   

So at first it might seem that the guy is being set up in order to discredit him.

But not so fast.  It seems to be deeper than that.

Within the other 17 pages of the document is very detailed (and believable) account of this guy's completely mentally unstable behavior.  Violence, threatening to kill her................not necessarily denying that he had the prostitute killed who sold her story to the National Enquirer last year. (I hadn't heard about that....but apparently she turned up dead after her story was published.)  Denise had reason to believe he was behind it, after all the times he threatened to have her killed, telling her things like "You're f*cking with the wrong guy" and "You don't know who you're dealing with..." etc.  When Denise point blank asked him if he had the prostitute killed, he would only say "No comment."  So, yeah.  !   I mean, you read the document and you seriously feel sorry for this woman.  Bad, bad situation for any woman to be in.

And after reading the entire thing, what I concluded was that it almost seemed to me that his coming forward now about 9/11 was done deliberately to coincide with his life having a meltdown in a very serious way.  These are serious claims she's making about him, it's not like, Oh, we're incompatible and the relationship's not working, I want a divorce.  No, it's the guy can't lay of the drugs, gambling, prostitutes and kiddie porn, in between verbally abusing her and threatening to have her killed every week.   It just seems to me that "something" wanted him to come forward, seeming like he was going to be the celeb spokesperson for the 9/11 Conspiracy movement....spearheading a campaign movement of sorts.......only to be made to look like a complete nut job.   

I mean, do you see what I'm getting at here?

I know that it sounds so far fetched, but this is what I'm seeing.  And I knew it last month when this story first broke with Charlie going on Alex Jones.   Charlie didn't just wake up one morning and "decide" to go on the Alex Jones radio show.  Hello.   Celebs don't just do that!  Come on now.   If it seems too good to be true, then it usually is.

So yeah, it's totally eye rollingly transparent what's going on here.   Take a guy who's completely mentally unstable, and choose him to be the celeb spokesperson for the 9/11 conspiracy movement.  And time it so that when he goes forward, he does it right as his personal life is imploding and some very incriminating and embarrassing accusations are going to go public.  Denise Richards has the proof to back up her claims as noted in the legal document.  It's not just some crazed wife making up wild tales.   So, things are not looking good for Charlie.

See, Charlie could have come forward, oh, say 4 or 5 years ago.  When the public needed to hear this the most.  And when his personal reputation was only moderately in shambles.   Now his whole life has totally imploded in a very bad way.   Bad timing!

But, that was obviously somebody's plan. 

Alex Jones has talked about how dragging Charlie's personal life into the debate is of course, completely irrelevant, and it's also a fallacy of debate.  Don't tear down Charlie's 9/11 argument by taking on his personal life.   That's what's known as a Straw Man.  Huge blunder in debate.

And while that's all very true and well and good, the fact is, Charlie's life WILL be scrutinized, regardless of whether it's relevant or not.  That's just what people are going to do.   You can complain about it, point it out, scoff at it.......but it doesn't change the fact that people will still do it.  Whether right or wrong, it is what it is.   And something knew that, and that's why I have my theory that all of this was planned.   The timing is impeccable.   And they, whoever "they" are, decided to kill several birds with one stone as well.  It's not just 9/11.  It's the vaccines issue too, which is mentioned several times throughout the document.   Charlie couldn't just argue the facts about vaccines.  Nope.  He had to get all crazed and violent about it, to the point where their children's pediatrician "fired" them and refused to be their doctor because of his temper and phone threats.    So what is that going to do for helping the anti-vaccine movement?   People will of course focus on his negative violent behavior, and attempt to discredit anybody who supports the anti-vaccine movement as being crazy.   And this isn't "slippery slope" theorizing, this is based on the way it goes out there in the world.

This is why these movements get labeled as crazy.   It's because too many people involved in them act like crazies. 

But, that's the plan.  So we really shouldn't be suprised.  "Nothing to see here folks, move it along..."

(ps.....I logged back onto the 'net just so I could add this....I don't want to sound like I'm all emotionally caught up in this, because I'm not.   Even if it sounds like I'm choosing sides and/or even "judging" Charlie Sheen, I'm not.  In fact, when I read through the document at Smoking Gun, the first conclusion I had was to sit back and think "Wow.  That dude has some major negative entity attachments going on."  Negs especially attach to those who are hard core drug users, and he fits the profile.  So it's in my belief that his compulsions and addictions aren't even entirely his own and his behavior is being manipulated by something else.  After reading through it all I concluded that he's not the sole pilot behind the wheel.)

The greatest danger facing our world has been the planet's best kept secret...until now.
For centuries we've been watching the skies, when we should have been watching our backs.

He's heavily influenced by his movie characters it seems... uhm... or??

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11 … on_cnn.htm