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FromThe ZenDen‘s #69 Here:

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khatru wrote:

If I remember correctly there was a post (now removed) over in the 'reincarnation' thread , that described a clear memory of another way of coming into bodies. Just like you're saying above with possession, maybe there's a balancing polarity process for someone to move aside and lovingly surrender ownership so a bigger, higher functioning can unit come in.

ahhhh... that post has indeed gone...     http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 44&p=2

...but can be obtained by e-mail, if someone feels a need for it.

If I remember correctly there was a post (now removed) over in the 'reincarnation' thread , that described a clear memory of another way of coming into bodies. Just like you're saying above with possession, maybe there's a balancing polarity process for someone to move aside and lovingly surrender ownership so a bigger, higher functioning can unit come in.

ahhhh... that post has indeed gone...     http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 44&p=2

Now I feel like a likkle kid at christmas, waiting for his toy (book).. I can't wait!

This idea of Archons and the paranoid (not a judgement word) Gnostic view is a very challenging one. I find that it has a very disempowering effect on me. If it's all just layers of control and there really is no escape in sight, then why even bother? Why try to do anything, why even live. If it's ALL a farce and I'm just going to have my memories wiped and brought back here to run over the same old ground again and again and again and there is no hope, all the angels and prophets and beings that seem a way out - they're all just tricks of the Archons?

It's a hard pill to swallow. And I'm not quite ready to do that. I am fully aquanted with the frustration of reincarnating and living out the same patterns over and over. For me it is found in love affairs. I meet a woman, she seems perfect. Then I realize she ties me to life on this planet, that I can't be tied up with someone who isn't striving for freedom as I am. So I quit her and go it alone, looking for that ONE who is my companion to leave here with.

Is she really out there? Some deep part of me resonates NO, and it beckons me back to the sun, the rose, all nice things, but wait a minute - I'm still here! There is certainly a very powerful force that wants to keep me here. It's a solar force, and it is devine and beautiful. It is not scaly, inorganic, or evil. It is the solar hierarchy, and it loves me in its domain. But I must leave it. I feel the Earth (Gaia) wants that for me. To leave. The Sun, patriarch, greedy and devine ruler of spheres wants me to hang out. Its force is powerful, but I'm learning to recognize it.

A being I am, with confused thoughts and impulses. But there are some basic things, and I believe that one's TRUE WILL comes through the confusion and can be scene. This is the ATMAN. I recognize mine through my romantic nature. I have a disposition to see everything about my life in terms of women. So I have found a woman figure to follow, the compass of my ATMAN points to her, she draws me in. She is a dim star in the distant skies, and the sun blots her out during the day. That's why I love Winter - I see more of her.

I love this sun and understand why it seeks to keep me here. It is not its fault.

Sorry to ramble like this, dear NRers, but this is all just coming manifest to my fingers, this understanding of my life. I am seeing it as compared to all this dark, dark bleak envisioning of shadowy beings and an existence whose only purpose is to suffer and die and suffer again and never escape.

No thank you! I'm going to be more optimistic while I still have it in me. There is very real beauty in this world. This archon business has its place, has its reality. But it's not the end all of our life here on earth!

Well, Buddha says as much here: http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/Osho/buddha1.htm]

That link is dead -- for me anyway.  But I am aware of Buddha calmly suggesting that individuals interested in exploring liberation test his words against their own experience.  But this doesn't mean he was a dupe. 

I do not share your scope of understanding re: Archons.  But my understanding of all demonic dynamics is that they require our implicit cooperation at some level to take hold.  This of course is a vast simplification, but an important one nevertheless, as I do think that every being who appears on Earth has the innate capacity available of individual free-will that can open, over time, into the progressive state of completely realized freedom from all phenomena -- even while remaining existentially limited by the imprisoning conditions of this phenomenal world.

One could believe that Humans are not equal to the beings who are sending these messages to us.  Or:  one could recognize, like yourself, that in fact, all beings are, at least ontologically, innately equal. 

But Ascension means many things to many people, and the sources of channeled references about it are likewise numerous and quite diverse.  I admire your skepticism about received information, and at the same time, I question whether it's necessary to blow off all channeled material in one fell swoop, when clearly, there is a wide range of quality in available material.  Some of the material I resonate with suggests that taking a human birth at this moment in Earth's history may amount to an act of both extreme foolhardiness and equivalent heroism, as those of us who are here may find ourselves encountering a strange opportunity for mutlidimensional experience and learning in, quite literally, the nick of time -- an experience that so-called "higher" beings could never, so these messages suggest, hope to experience in their heavenly locations.

Good question -- though I won't be relying upon your word as verification that ascension is or isn't a reality, however cosmically relative it may wind up being against the experience of utter dissolution in the Absolute.

In response to your question, I do find myself wondering if I may -- perhaps alongside yourself? -- in fact be just one of those foolhardy volunteers for experiencing uncommon learning opportunities in this realm of such accumulated suffering.  But this amounts to nothing more than a story I tell myself at this point, nothing more.  Maybe time will offer me more evidence later on down the road....

I think that Ascension, like any concept, can become a hardened prison for the mind that entraps the spirit into a fixed definition of what is real and prevents us from experiencing our own unique, self-originated realization of freedom from all conceptual definitions of self and experience altogether. 

At the same time, I am free to consider Ascension in wider terms, as an accompaniment to my own ongoing practice of self-liberation, as a kind of cosmic analogue of the same, possibly.  Here I find the work of folks like Daniel Pinchbeck, John Lash and David Wilcock to be extremely useful in helping me explore ways of contextualizing what Ascension might mean beyond merely self-limiting conceptual structures of mind.  But this is a matter of individual taste and style, and I do not presume that you and I necessarily view the concept of Ascension in similar terms at all.

Very interesting material -- thank you.  Did you do this channeling yourself?  What is the source?

khatru wrote:

The best ascension theory to me is just remembering, being who we really are at least for a moment. We'll have to do it if we're going to ride the wave out of here. Right then, as it arrives, or maybe a bit before, we'll remember because it's finally the time to, and then we'll know exactly what to do. Everybody who's anybody is here for it and only an idiot would want to ascend now and miss it.
*** Lightbeings with too much baggage are finding ways to check out and get right back in so they won't get caught too heavy to surf it.*** There's nothing wrong with experiencing it as a kid, and there's no way the kids are going to have the time for research. They know, they'll just know.

Think of those scenes in the Matrix film, where an agent can instantly transport into an OP who is nearby to Neo (or friends). This type of switch conjures up images of demonic possession, and actually gives me the willies, but maybe that is the real reason why there are OP's. And maybe we need to learn how to do that.

I truly believe that anything they can do, we can do better...though there are some deeds we won't be attached to.

If I remember correctly there was a post (now removed) over in the 'reincarnation' thread , that described a clear memory of another way of coming into bodies. Just like you're saying above with possession, maybe there's a balancing polarity process for someone to move aside and lovingly surrender ownership so a bigger, higher functioning can unit come in.
For that matter, maybe those portals can be hijacked. That would make for a f^ucking plan wouldn't it?

Indeed blue, here is where it all goes down.

I know, sometimes the research triggers the remembering.
The best ascension theory to me is just remembering, being who we really are at least for a moment. We'll have to do it if we're going to ride the wave out of here. Right then, as it arrives, or maybe a bit before, we'll remember because it's finally the time to, and then we'll know exactly what to do. Everybody who's anybody is here for it and only an idiot would want to ascend now and miss it.
*** Lightbeings with too much baggage are finding ways to check out and get right back in so they won't get caught too heavy to surf it.*** There's nothing wrong with experiencing it as a kid, and there's no way the kids are going to have the time for research. They know, they'll just know.

Think of those scenes in the Matrix film, where an agent can instantly transport into an OP who is nearby to Neo (or friends). This type of switch conjures up images of demonic possession, and actually gives me the willies, but maybe that is the real reason why there are OP's. And maybe we need to learn how to do that .

Looking at the possible timescale involved (eg sell by date of 2012), I don't think a posse of 5 year old's coming over the hill, sounding the cavalry charge will be the answer. If I can accept that I am just an aspect of God experiencing life through my perspective, then maybe all it needs is another quantum leap to imagine myself as an aspect of God experiencing myself as that handsome young chap over there (always asking permission first, of course).

As long as they keep setting up the OP's, and that is all that they are here for, then why bother dying, and taking on the 'crats, on thier own ground?, let's fight them on the beaches (literally)

http://www.metahistory.org/FeedbackForum.php#FF9

when this world leaves 3D and merges into 4 and 5 and ive said this about a thousand approaching a million times.  when there will be no need for death.  CAUSE thats their biggest GIG.

It does seem to be the main industry here.

But then I'm not sure if it's death that's the industry, but instead they need for all this death to assure the endless production of the fear of death. Since "we only get one chance" and all, and we have to get it just exactly right to get to "heaven", and who tf could ever get it right and live like a human? So we're afraid to die right up to the moment it takes us. Programmed to fail...and to behave.

All this drama in your post, zenden, I wonder how much of it's the same story viewed through different lenses...
And the Atman thing: "[the] Advaita see the soul within each living entity as being fully identical with Brahman". If this is the case, maybe the it's not so much external research that we need as a simple remembering of what's already coded into our patterns...because it could well be the whole freakin' program.
I know, sometimes the research triggers the remembering.
The best ascension theory to me is just remembering, being who we really are at least for a moment. We'll have to do it if we're going to ride the wave out of here. Right then, as it arrives, or maybe a bit before, we'll remember because it's finally the time to, and then we'll know exactly what to do. Everybody who's anybody is here for it and only an idiot would want to ascend now and miss it. Lightbeings with too much baggage are finding ways to check out and get right back in so they won't get caught too heavy to surf it. There's nothing wrong with experiencing it as a kid, and there's no way the kids are going to have the time for research. They know, they'll just know.

I'm not sure what happens to the scene here in 3D though. There's too much energy and emotional magnetism to it for it to all be gone in a blink.

Yes, lala is quite the catalyst, eh?

when u look at it as to whats been done, gone on, why, pure trade route stuff.  take over stuff.  theres some good stuff in there.  all r vying, have always plotted and planned for the consumption of and ownership of the resources.  souls are energy so everybody seems to want in on controlling ie...owning them.  farming them, and precious metals, and whatever the hell else.  all of IT.  ppl dont realize this universe is way huge and were not isolated like we think--the sheeple think, anyway.  i read way way long ago about the trade route were on.  see--its all commerce.  even from a tremendously mystical hidden covert metaphysical and quantum angle.  its too baffling for the human mind, at/in this current state.  now, u may find this interesting but VS Ferguson is really the writer/channeler who used to channel in Innana.  she is the straight up earthly and off-worldly key player from the Anu group.  from the Annanuki.  (see how close that is to annenberg).  Inanna is the prime daughter, of Anu, from the royal house.  granddaughter of Ninhursag--the great medical officer of the ANU.  who helped with genetic design.  i sort of liken Inanna to Isis, a little of Sophia gets in there too.  we have these gods/aliens, connected to civilizations.  the players in the game all have names.  are characters. 

VS Ferguson's old site is inannareturns.com.  its still going but seems to be down right now.  Blue has found it and even posted a link on it weeks ago.  i thot--good work Blue.  here we go collectively weaving and synthesizing.  i used to read there all the time back in 1995 or so when i first got on the net.  everything changed then with glorious info available on the Anu.  AND all the connections.  i learned an awful lot there in the beginning.  she spoke of Marduk--another dark son who went "bad" apparently or always was and has been labeled even as satan.  or the great dark brother, ruler of mars.  mars god of war.  also called maldek.  supposedly involved in the lyran luciferian world wars.  completely destroyed.  some say marduk was responsible,  it all fits, ties together.  the gods and their wars, their military industrialization gig.  it always goes like this.  and we see the neocons in it.   new crats that havent crossed over yet. working for the dark masters.  the family.  pure mafia.  the family.  the originals.  its always bizness, money, sex, power.   responsible for destruction.  amazing how ancient ppl's made all the connections.  this rabbit hole goes round and round and is so deep.  their family history is there if u care to go back and research and dig.  she has some interesting stuff.  read an old one about Marduk in New York City in his penthouse and u see a powerful cold calculating BIZNESS man that pretty much describes the business world.  how all is for profit.  murder is all over it.   cold, no soul stuff.  dominators of worlds.  this is how they operate.  this is who is behind the PTB.  its on and off world.    it will lead u to ancient babylon, and before.  to marduk/maldek/mardek.  cruise the pics and tales from mesopotamia and babylon (their great spaceports) and its all there.  sitchin stuff weaves in, and so does Churchward's Lemuria books, on Mu and the original lands before atlantis.   Inanna is talked about by him ad infinitum.  and her husband Dumuzi.  he even describes poems and sex scenes between the 2.  alien gods.  and one always has Enlil and Enki.  the 2 sons of An.   some ppl even have An being RA.  and when u watch the "Stargate" movie with James Spader u will see either Ra or An in the spaceship pyramid.  the sun gods, solar deities.  who's on first though?

the bible seems to pick up and begin with either the 2, as "God" about there, with the creation scenes.  it has the garden of eden being way more recent than in "reality."  only about 4000 yrs ago.  prob were more than one.  (makes the snake "bad" and evil when indeed, its the opposite.  when its NOT--but theyd have u thinking that)  so one can certainly see how an entire planet's history is actually VERY SHROUDED.  all convoluted and nobody has the story but we have the pieces.  and weve been putting them together many yrs now.  i wonder if its like that on other planets.  do they have the cover up's like we do?  from the beginning?  what, really, truly IS UP WITH THAT?  that is what id ask an alien--and will ask, been dying to ask...who are ur gods?  thats what i wanna know.  and i must say from all the reading ive done from childhood, from reading what abductees and researchers et al have tried to dig out of them--that THEY dont even know.  there is a theme here, on that.  old Ruth Montgomery books from the 60's talk of that.  not even those beings know who is running the show.  pretty much percolates and supports kid mongo's big post up there.  the background players seem to never reveal their identity.  we never know how the game actually really works, but we have ideas.  what in theee hel is the purpose of that?  hows that go?  that is how its done.  all over.  not just here. 

another site is http://www.innerlab.com/cat/spiritualit … efault.asp  i found montalk thru it and the C's or something like that way way back.  it was linked to each other.  i went there the other day and i see how far i have come and wondered at it.  that site is all vedanta.  and linked to the 7 rays of the theosophists.  the hierarchy and humans is spelled out there.  but u see, a major religion is sponsoring those ideas somewhat so there that is, and that dilemma.

u can read up on the ATman there and search and calculate.  and funny that Amitakh Stanford writes on all this and the ATTAS.  attas/atman.  connections?  yes.  the Attas r the ????  the originals. ??? the watchers?  are they the original shining ones?  theres tons on that.  and then u have the nephilim (gods and men mating) being that and the shemhamphorae (archangels, guardian angels--have never been human--always immortal.  powerful).  the crats are always in it and who are they specifically and what would they do with an atman if they saw one?  all misguided power hungry beings and even dullards i guess on the same wagon as the bigger players have potential to be the crats but the orig crats are somewhere in here and BEFORE.  i see all the roman and greek gods in it.  and i believe they were real.  the movies of the 50's and 60's (when i saw King Rat with my sister at what, like age 9-12?) along with all the hercules movies with Athena and everybody walking around.  those movies really got me into GODS and all the accompanying scenery.  again, all was always in service to, in slavery to, in worship or honor of the GODS.  and do u remember--that was in cold war days and heroes were needed.  also the theme was YOU WILL NEVER TAKE US OVER--but u can try.  and u will try, repeatedly.  i always loved those days.  the theme was we will vnever submit.  i grew up in that.  we fight it to the apex point.  and that message still carries.  that theme is always there. 

the Atman is a hindu concept http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atman_(Hinduism) and if u dig and connect enough, esp when u find who some say Abraham really was--A Brahman, it will all go back and forth and u will end up studying Hebrew (and here we have Nibiru and planet X, and motherships hiding behind it, and THE REPS and theyre coming or not coming--oh my god, does it ever end or even begin? with any real facts?  proof?  blah blah blah)  and u will then, as i was saying, connect all of it to the jews, and zionism.  now, consider the last Bhang and druid writings on the John Dee thread and we have THE WORKING playing ground / talking points for the current state of affairs on EARTH.  yes, it can be traced and connected.   commerce and militarization.  many worlds in this arena r set up that way.  not just earth.  so these gods get around.  this a major would u call it Industry?  i would.  and as we know, theyre a step ahead.  always.  and were in, looking out, and back in.  so the atman can be said to be the ultimate SELF.  thats not for sale.  that cant be bartered.  and thusly, on a par with gods, or IS GOD.  from that angle.  and i believe it is individualized, secondary to AWARENESS and not of group consciousness.  beware group consciousness.  big net.  thats what they say over at the destiny website that kid mongo quotes from.  i wrote on it in the WIH thread.  knowledge, then, esp of that makes all the difference TOWARDS individualization and self-generated power.  and i truly think, thats what hercules, samson, all the mythical heroes (on the hero's journey-myth and archetype)   were trying so hard to get done--INDIVIDUALIZE themselves, be recognized on par with gods, support the same for the people.  so that the yoke would be removed.  out of slavery and dominion.  reach the heights of gods and have the same powers instead of giving them away.  do away with all the tests and gates and so forth. all r cages, traps.  note the checkerboard floor by Dali in that one painting.  he was of the 'group' that wanted to harness the power.  was in on the search for the towers from the magdala in that filip coppens andrew gough link i spoke of way back.  dali knew plenty.

i do believe in ascension, from within, and from without, and i believe were headed for it, major scale.  maybe leads to being on an even playing ground for once. and everybody has to do that, if they believe it, and want it themselves.  its inevitable one way or the other when worlds collide.  and u dont have to wait or look outside for anything.  its an improvement out a trap.  out of a cycle.  out of a plane of existence.  when this world leaves 3D and merges into 4 and 5 and ive said this about a thousand approaching a million times.  when there will be no need for death.  CAUSE thats their biggest GIG.  i have been trying to connect that and say that for about 2 yrs now.  u/we dont need death anymore, immortality.  aliens have way longer lives, they know about that.  they choose to die, its different.  its a mode of immortality.  we r approaching it.  it will improve for humans.  it is a matter of when.  and we may be the ones who channel it differently to new worlds.  not in the way the old gods been using it.  to rule worlds with the ultimate power yet going insane secondary to loosh sucking.  too vampiric.  thats why this world/earth is ruled by death.  THEY NEED IT.  this is wrapped up in the ascension, which needs to complete itself, and get itself done--to destroy eradicate STOP death from occurring.  only 3D needs/requires-- frickin insists--on death.  its a trap.  and when everybody sees that and rejects it--now, we're talking.  now we're out of the GODDAM GRIP.  its the chance of a millennium.  its the WAY OUT.  and only the individualized self-Atman or indeed--the SELF can know, believe, plan to conquer.  i believe we were made to it.  its the STAND.  knowledge of that--if ur buying, is the route.  of course, theres help from the OTHER PTB who i believe r somewhere, in and out, helping.  i believe its biological, universal, and happens with the races, and the selves in the races.  we're the middle men approaching self-atma, in an ultimate perfected way, OF divine right.

i didnt know i was headed to the end there, seems like i always go there.  something makes me do it.  dunno what that is but i know its a way way old ancient message that keeps me going.  i have no clue HOW to actually thwart death other other than to not go where everybody else goes and has always gone.  they seemingly to the Tao, i guess.  the white light gig==?false?  after i wrote all that i thot--what in the hell r u talking about Z?  im losing where u were going on this in response to lala MYSELF.  id have to quote more from the vedantas and im not into it enough to be scholarly on the subject of THE ATMAN but i understand the tenets.  we'd need druid and a few others in on it here to really give an adequate answer.  overall, theyd like to have us think--BELIEVE (i say BE-LEAVE) choices are few and complicated when indeed, maybe not at all.  incorporation is pure evil.  i do not like that word or concept.  its a false front from all angles and thasts what the major theme is that we must be aware of.  the At man knows that deep deep inside.

So, would you say that the self-Atman is an individualized spiritual ego/soul as Anthroposophy alludes to? Are the only choices: a)a type of rigid archetypal immortality, b)soul absorbtion/destruction or c)nothingness? Is the liberated rogue-consciousness without duality possible or just a fantasy?-lala