[/center]]]>Perhaps some of you guys have worked out a way to respond to - let's say message #1 and #6 in a certain thread - without having to read messages #7 - #212. It would seem rather unpolite to add message #213 without first having read messages #7-#212. What is the best way to proceed? First read all the other messages, in order to be sure that your addition wasn't already covered, with the danger of losing your energy and your enthusiam, being bend into certain directions through the enormous diversity of thought-forms that you need to wade through before you reach #212?
Or...is there a way to respond to #6 or #1 without offending those commenting on it afterwards? Couldn't we devise some rule to deal with these issues? Perhaps this approach is only ethically responsible when a thread hasn't been touched upon for a year? Or perhaps it would be better to start a new topic in which you respond to #1 and #6?
Perhaps this is nothing but a big diversion to tell you that I am playing around with the M-band noise pressure idea that was mentioned by Bruce Moen and cited by feritciva in #1 and the thought-compression experience described by montalk in #6 at
http://home.tiscali.nl/gibbon/exploring … amonds.htm by playing around with imagination.
I would like to hear if there are any other people who have used imagination to explore consciousness realms?
]]>For one, they thought evil was necessary for free will to exist.. and if evil and good were both present at the beginning, naturally good would be able to evolve beyond evil. But this is reversed logic: free will is the only thing necessary, and the *effect* of free will is that evil will always arise.. evil is never a *cause* of free will.
There is so much astral evil of so many different varieties... but remember that they are not the ones in the physical realm orchestrating the conspiracy. If anything they are pawns, fodder, and stepping stones for those evil ones in the physical. The Elohim and the astral evil is all controlled by those physical evil ones who keep on reincarnating who once grown old enough every lifetime have full memory of their reincarnations.
Jehovah's mistake has corrupted Him, and now He is one of the most evil of all. Evil reproduces/replicates much much much faster than good. Their weapons may only extent to fear and intimidation, but through such things, they now, for instance control the nukes... but they would rather not destroy one of infinite parallel feeding grounds.. so let us rise up ourselves and not try to save the whole thing.. because they have the nukes.
They suffer terrible agony, constantly, the physical realm evil ones. That is their source of power (Xeper, it turns out), and they delight in offsetting this agony through being the best evil ever, and boy are they the best at what they do. They do it for immortality. They always say their existence is "barely, barely bearable"... because if they become too happy then they lose their evil and their power and their immortality. In them, evil is an incomprehensibly complex corollary system, perhaps emotionally based like the Elohim. I would be surprised if any of you realize just how evil they are. They suffer in agony constantly, literally more than you can imagine, and they *want* to, because they *love* to hate us, we have it so easy in blissful ignorance (that they orchestrate)... they delight in evil and there is no good in them whatsoever.. literally, there *cannot* be good, because it does not function with their corollary system. They cannot be 0.00000001% good, they are pure evil.
At least, that is the only way they can think of it and not kill themselves!
By day they have to pretend to be our friends... imagine how much they must hate us and lust for revenge and our torture.
]]>"By learning to focus their attention not through the M-band noise, but beyond it. If the curl learns to focus its awareness at a level of consciousness where the M-band noise is attenuated or nonexistent, expansion is much easier. Meditation is an useful, time tested method and the one you're using seems to work pretty well."
This seems like what some of the ancient ways have been trying to teach; to quiet the mind, to reach into a place above the confines of the normal world, to allow the mind to be calmed and focused or expanded. Good stuff!
]]>[/center]]]>http://www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/CryoPreserve.html
Cryonic Preserve
The little group gathered in the exact replica of their former Office. They touched the furniture, looked at each other, and finally they examined their own bodies. They found out that their hands passed through everything. They were not able to hold objects. If they tried to hug each other, they became part of each other or went through each other. Their most intimate and personal thoughts were becoming visible to the group. Nothing could be hidden anymore.
They soon discovered that they were confined to the Office. That fact surprised them because they had achieved "thinking-locomotion" and were able to be in any part of the room as soon as they thought of occupying a place. Sometimes, they concentrated their "group-thinking" on creating and opening doors or windows, but it didn’t work, and eventually they got terribly bored and unhappy being in that building.
Things began to happen when they stood near a certain Wall, which looked like a slab of solid fog. When they gathered near it, the slab would become transparent enough to allow them to view a small part of the outside world. They managed to pierce through that wall but soon found out that their Office stood alone in the middle of an immense Airport. Strange and enormous crafts landed noiselessly nearby. Interminable lines of people undulated towards a high tethering post where smaller crafts were held floating and ready to take off. The waiting lines were continually shortened into single dots that got snapped into the dark, and disappeared along a web of lightning bolts. They wished they could see more, but the Wall had an almost conscious way of thickening itself periodically, and blocking their view.
They tried listening through the wall and picked up some strange thoughts they couldn’t understand. What were the passengers describing, and how could anyone make sense of thought patterns ranging from soft and sad memories of many "Past-Lives-Reviews", whatever that meant, to a frantic search for an available womb...anywhere...
They also picked up some unflattering comments about their own building. Many passengers objected to having an Office "Construct" standing in the middle of what they called, a very busy "Triage-Station".
The group was growing too big for the Office. Too many friends dropped in and couldn’t leave, and these were followed by a crowd of total strangers. Though they were able to pass through each other, they all began to feel uncomfortably crowded, and communally expressed the wish to leave that Office.
The answer to their wish appeared instantly. An entire section of the "Fog-Wall" became a screen and they read the first message:
All of you chose a "Non-Transitional" Way. Therefore you are here!
After pondering communally on that statement, they realized that they were dead and yet...if this were death...had they ever understood Life?
The rest of the show was humorous. Their Office became a large Garment Factory. Workers were cutting cloth, assembling pieces of material, and sewing them into dresses and men's suits at a frantic pace. Other workers were loading these clothes on pushcarts. Large airships were seen floating in the distance. Behind the Factory, trucks dumped mountains of old clothes to be shredded and recycled in enormous blue bins.
What attracted their attention was something that looked like an enormous red freezer in the middle of the blue bins. Someone had posted warning signs in front of that freezer:
STOP! This is a Cryonic Preserve for worn clothes and old hats!
Ralph started the communal thought going and they all joined in:
"Why would anyone bother to flash-freeze stuff like that?"
At that thought, their entire Office-Construct crumbled and they were free to join the first long line of Passenger-Souls leaving for...somewhere...
malou
Quoted from Matrix-4
"According to available data, at one point Thoth and six other beings who had been on the Earth for some time decided to leave, dropping their bodies and becoming spheres of consciousness; they then merged with the Seed of Life, which we will discuss. The ancient Sumerian records detail this event, but say that itwas two sets of seven beings. They could not apparently leave without leaving a level of consciousness behind, so they created an ovum by linking geometrically,which produced a large cold blue-white flame about four feet high in the middle
of the group. This flame was then put into was called the Halls of Amenti, ancient place built before the Sphinx, more than six million years ago; it is womb shaped and constitutes a dimensional warp in space that lies one overtone in wavelength higher that that of the Earth, and always remains that way. It usually sits just outside the membrane which surrounds Earth at a distance of 440,000 miles. There is evidence that the Halls of Amenti was located on the surface of the Earth on a mountain top during Atlantean times, but in modern times sits about 1,000 miles inside the Earth. According to history, inside the Halls of Amentiis a large pyramid, and inside the pyramid is a room built in the proportions of a Golden Mean rectangle. The flame was placed in this room, where it remains. While all this was happening, other activity was going on in the Sirian (B) system on the third planet, where a family of 16 males and 16 females came to Earth; this was 200,207 years ago according to the records. They went to the Halls of Amenti and manifested from their memory 32 slabs of rose quartz granite about 20 feet long, which they put in a circular pattern with the flame in the middle. Males and females reclined on the slabs and merged with the flame. The result was the creation of several races. The Sumerians detai1 this event in
terms of 'the creators' doing genetic engineering, but they do not mention the Halls of Amenti or the blue flame that was apparently involved in this process."
A parallel,Quoted from the Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean
"EMERALD TABLET II: The Halls of Amenti
Deep in the Earth’s heart lie the Halls of Amenti, far ‘neath the islands of sunken Atlantis, Halls of the Dead and halls of the living, bathed in the fire of the infinite ALL.
Far in a past time, lost in the space time, the Children of Light looked down on the world. See the children of men in their bondage, bound by the force that came from beyond. Knew they that only by freedom from bondage could man ever rise from the Earth to the Sun. Down they descended and created bodies, taking the semblance of men as their own. The masters of everything said after their forming: "We are they who were formed from the space-dust, partaking of life from the infinite ALL; living in the world as children of men, like and yet unlike the children of men."
Then for a dwelling place, far ‘neath the earth crust, blasted great spaces they by their power, spaces apart from the children of men. Surrounded them by forces and power, shielded from harm they the Halls of the Dead.
Side by side then, placed they other spaces, filled them with Life and with Light from above. Builded they then the Halls of Amenti, that they might dwell eternally there living with life to eternity’s end.
Thirty and two were there of the children, sons of Light who had come among men, seeking to free from the bondage of darkness those who were bound by the force from beyond.
Deep in the Halls of Life grew a flower, flaming, expanding, driving backward the night. Placed in the center, a ray of great potence, Life giving, Light giving, filling with power all who came near it. Placed they around it thrones, two and thirty, places for each of the Children of Light, placed so that they were bathed in the radiance, filled with the Life from the eternal Light. There time after time placed they their first created bodies so that they might be filled with the Spirit of Life. One hundred years out of each thousand must the Life-giving Light flame forth on their bodies. Quickening, awakening the Spirit of Life.
There in the circle from aeon to aeon, sit the Great Masters, living a life not known among men. There in the Halls of Life they lie sleeping; free flows their Soul through the bodies of men. Time after time, while their bodies lie sleeping, incarnate they in the bodies of men. Teaching and guiding onward and upward, out of the darkness into the Light. There in the Hall of Life, filled with their wisdom, known not to the races of man, living forever ‘neath the cold fire of life, sit the Children of Light. Times there are when they awaken, come from the depths to be lights among men, infinite they among finite.
He who by progress has grown from the darkness, lifted himself from the night into light, free is he made of the Halls of Amenti, free of the Flower of Light and of Life. Guided he then, by wisdom and knowledge, passes from man, to the Master of Life. There he may dwell as one with the Masters, free from the bonds of the darkness of night.
Seated within the flower of radiance sit seven Lords from the Space-Time above us, helping and guiding through infinite Wisdom, the pathway through time of the children of men. Mighty and strange, they, veiled with their power, silent, all-knowing, drawing the Life force, different yet one with the children of men. Aye, different, and yet one with the Children of Light.
Custodians and watchers of the force of man’s bondage, ready to loose when the light has been reached. First and most mighty, sits the Veiled Presence, Lord of Lords, the infinite Nine, over the others from each Cosmic cycle, weighing and watching the progress of men.
Under HE, sit the Lords of the Cycles; Three, Four, Five, and Six, Seven, Eight, each with his mission, each with his power, guiding, directing the destiny of man. There sit they, mighty and potent, free of all time and space. Not of this world they, yet akin to it, Elder Brothers they, of the children of men. Judging and weighing, they with their wisdom, watching the progress Light among men.
There before them was I led by the Dweller, watched him blend with ONE from above. Then from HE came forth a voice saying: “Great art thou, Thoth, among children of men. Free henceforth of the Halls of Amenti, Master of Life among children of men. Taste not of death except as thou will it, drink thou of Life to Eternity’s end. Henceforth forever is Life, thine for the taking. Henceforth is Death at the call of thy hand. Dwell here or leave here when thou desireth, free is Amenti to the Sun of man. Take thou up Life in what form thou desireth, Child of the Light that has grown among men. Choose thou thy work, for all souls must labor, never be free from the pathway of Light. One step thou has gained on the long pathway upward, infinite now is the mountain of Light. Each step thou taketh but heightens the mountain; all of thy progress but lengthens the goal. Approach ye ever the infinite Wisdom, ever before thee recedes the goal. Free are ye made now of the Halls of Amenti to walk hand in hand with the Lords of the world, one in one purpose, working together, bringers of Light to the children of men.�
Then from his throne came one of the Masters, taking my hand and leading me onward, through all the Halls of the deep hidden land. Led he me through the Halls of Amenti, showing the mysteries that are known not to man. Through the dark passage, downward he led me into the Hall where sits the dark Death. Vast as space lay the great Hall before me, walled by darkness but yet filled with Light.
Before me arose a great throne of darkness, veiled on it seated a figure of night. Darker than darkness sat the great figure, dark with a darkness not of the night. Before it then paused the Master, speaking The Word that brings about Life, saying: “Oh, master of darkness, guide of the way from Life unto Life, before thee I bring a Sun of the morning. Touch him not ever with the power of night. Call not his flame to the darkness of night. Know him, and see him, one of our brothers, lifted from darkness into the Light. Release thou his flame from its bondage, free let it flame through the darkness of night.�
Raised then the hand of the figure, forth came a flame that grew clear and bright. Rolled back swiftly the curtain of darkness, unveiled the Hall from the darkness of night. Then grew in the great space before me, flame after flame, from the veil of the night. Uncounted millions leaped they before me, some flaming forth as flowers of fire. Others there were that shed a dim radiance, glowing but faintly from out of the night. Some there were that faded swiftly; others that grew from a small spark of light. Each surrounded by its dim veil of darkness, yet flaming with the light that could never be quenched. Coming and going like fireflies in springtime, filled they the space with Light and with Life.
Then spoke a voice, mighty and solemn, saying: “These are lights that are souls among men, growing and fading, existing forever, changing yet living, through death into life. When they have bloomed into flower, reached the zenith of growth in their life, swiftly then send I my veil of darkness, shrouding and changing to new forms of life. Steadily upward throughout the ages, growing, expanding into yet greater flame, lighting the darkness with yet greater power, quenched yet unquenched by the veil of the night. So grows the soul of man ever upward, quenched yet unquenched by the darkness of night.
I, Death, come, and yet I remain not, for life eternal exists in the All; only an obstacle, I in the pathway, quick to be conquered by the infinite light. Awaken, O flame that burns ever inward, flame forth and conquer the veil of the night.�
Then in the midst of the flames in the darkness grew there one that drove forth the night, flaming, expanding, ever brighter, until at last was nothing but Light. Then spoke my guide, the voice of the master: “See your own soul as it grows in the light, free now forever from the Lord of the night.�
Forward he led me through many great spaces filled with the mysteries of the Children of Light; mysteries that man may never yet know of until he, too, is a Sun of the Light. Backward then HE led me into the Light of the Hall of the Light. Knelt I then before the great Masters, Lords of ALL from the cycles above.
Spoke HE then with words of great power saying: “Thou has been made free of the Halls of Amenti. Choose thou thy work among the children of men.�
Then spoke I: “O, great master, let me be a teacher of men, leading them onward and upward until they too, are lights among men; freed from the veil of the night that surrounds them, flaming with light that shall shine among men.�
Spoke to me then the voice: “Go, as ye will. So be it decreed. Master are ye of your destiny, free to take or reject at will. Take ye the power, take ye the wisdom. Shine as a light among the children of men.�
Upward then, led me the Dweller. Dwelt I again among children of men, teaching and showing some of my wisdom; Sun of the Light, a fire among men.
Now again I tread the path downward, seeking the light in the darkness of night. Hold ye and keep ye, preserve my record, guide shall it be to the children of men."
There are some popular and all encompassing memes in the new age that suggest that everything that has taken place was agreed to on some level. Agreeing to this gives the controllers carte blanche. This is a plant.
Quoted From Matrix-4
"All paradigms can be taken as belief systems.. Belief systems structure reality interpretation and affect perception, and have the capacity to generate additional belief systems. They are also very seductive. By adopting a belief system as the total representation of your reality structure you put youself in a position where you maybe manipulated or led to a point where you are manipulating yourself according to an objective not your own (unless it is a knowing, conscious, effort of will to create an Open ended expanding reality structure). So, keep this in mind."
"There is a lot of valuable information in the paradigms included in this book - there is also information that, if combined Into a dosed reality structure, will result in a certain degree of MCP entrapment."
This is one clue as to how channels have gotten people by the pubic hair and led them down the garden path.
]]>The Council of Nine wrote:ANDREW: Yes. And how can they, while they are on this Earth with all its problems? What is it that they can best do in order to return to the source?
Tom: If they would treat all as they have desire to be treated. If they would walk in dignity and permit no one to remove their dignity, and if they would have love for all their fellow humans, and for all those that touch them - for this in turn sends love to us. We ask not that they have a total understanding of us.
ANDREW: Yes. But in essence then, God feeds on this kind of nectar, so to say.
Tom: Yes.
ANDREW: I think that people would love that idea.
Tom: We have the creation, we have created this, but it in truth has created us.
Very interesting quote. The Council of Nine is showing clearly that they are working for the luciferian hierarchy. They ask human beings to act as "good" people, so that the Nine will keep on receiving subtle energy such as "love" (the main religions have been doing this for thousands of years, asking monks, for example, to suppress their sexuality so that they may sent more subtle energy to the egregore of the catholic church). The Nine put themselves above us, "mere mortals", and say that we shouldn't try to understand them. The first few paragraphs are very clear about this -- "Tom" doesn't answer questions and say that we will not understand him anyway...? This is pure mystical bullshit to confuse people. We can clearly feel it was the first tests of channeling, nowadays they are better at hiding their arrogance. 
""The sorcerers' revolution," he continued, "is that they refuse to honor
agreements in which they did not participate."
Very well put.
The following jumps around a bit but I hope it reaches some few at the heart level.
The zone.
This particular line well states my position with respect to certain points I have been driving home in this forum for any few on the fringes who may have been on the edge of realization in these matters.
The foreign installation is alive and still kicking in these parts, quite visible always by the written word of willing defenders.....and always seeking to hide behind elaborate and complex structures of a mental nature.
The mental plane is their chief operative zone of activity.
Keep people thinking, thinking, thinking.....lead by imagination to places of powerlessness and excessive structure, excessive mentation divorced from feeling. The trance channels are the newest and most elaborate subterfuge for stirring up and " channeling " energy into the extradimensions. The false intervention always seeks to create a heirarchical external " structure " [control structure] [dark or light] [polarized] to keep people bound up in states of fear that they have been taught don't exist. Thats where the loosh comes from.
There is a third principle which is the unifying force. The Christos.
This is another thing that we have been taught to deny.
Denial was given to us by the Asuras- inorganic beings- Archons. Denial is a control program.
All of the hooks in the new age are designed to trap the attention of the " Mentally polarized ego."
The ego loves shiny toys, glitz, glamour, " artifice."
Feeling, not emotions[a different thing] was supposed to lead the consciousness...not thought first.
Feeling then thought in that order. Most people don't properly understand the difference between feelings and emotions.[ For a good understanding see the collected works of Stuart Wilde.]
We were coerced to turn things round backwards.
Remembering that most things are turned round saves tons of confusion.
Confusion happens when people " THINK " too much.
If you are confused, stop thinking about things. It will stop the confusion cold.
The foreign installation thrives on confusion and language based dialogues, internal and external.....complexity, duplicity, stupidity....lol.
What we see in the world at large is too much structure brought up from the infradimensions and applied to the manifest realms. Its destructive by nature when applied in this manner.
There are now enough aware souls incarnate to understand this on non linguistic levels.
This is part of what was needed to create a new evolution.
A job that some came here to realize in theory.
All of the human kingdom is connected on some level.
Don Juan once told Carlos " Knowledge and language are separate."
Carlos could not really make this jump which later became obvious. He was too much like the old seers and he held onto this to the end.
Part of the knowledge is knowing that we don't have to be bound to this type of reality system for much longer.
There are many defending the old order. They may get to experience yet another version of it. I don't know.
I do know that all attempts to keep the old order going on this timeline are going to fail in a quite unexpected manner. Thats the good news and its a feeling not a thought.
until later
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Some Snips:
I'm one of many who attend to the operation of the Reentry Station
[Said the archonic drug lord]
Is this thing I'm looking at, the tower with the bell shapes at the top, is that the Reentry Station?
I see a cylindrical flow of little bits of yellowish-gold light, all moving together into the bell shape.
They seem to be in some kind of 'dormant' state. Not too much activity going on in them, not much thinking. More like they're asleep and waiting. Why are they like that, and why are they entering the bell shape of the Reentry Station?
This part of the station is called the constriction.......This section seems to be putting the curls under pressure. Why?
Preparation for entry into physical world reality.I'm getting the sense that compression also closes down its conscious awareness of nonphysical reality in general, including awareness of nonphysical aspects of itself.
This week on DreamLand, William Henry noted:
reincarnation or:
Reincarceration
From:
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 839#p35839
Montalk Noted:
Icke wrote:
When I say it's all an illusion and a computer program, I do mean all is an apparent contradiction that the earth and the cosmos was supposed to have been created by a loving God and yet what we call Nature is a bloody battle-ground in which one animal's survival is dependent on another's, often grotesque, demise.
The law of the wild' was not the creation of a loving God or Oneness in awareness of itself. It was a Matrix software program and, without the control of fear, the relationship between animals, and animals and humans, would be very different.
Do you think the Infinite, where you are now, would wish to see anything suffer and live in fear, never mind create a structure in which this happened as a matter of course?' Nature was another holographic projection that was only 'real' because we were conditioned to believe it was.
The voice said the 'laws' of the natural world reflected the state of being of their creator, the force controlling the Matrix. This was a state of fear and desperation to survive ... a trait of the reptilian brain.
_______________________It was just another bloody crime-scene in the wonderful world of Nature. What kind of 'intelligence' creates a natural world in which the survival of one depends on tearing another to pieces? What sick mind would design a global life-cycle in which the participants were in a mode of constant fear - humans as well as the animals? Would a loving God do that? No, but the mind behind the Matrix would, and it has.
*An AM radio cannot perceive an FM Signal
Conception: The ability to Transduce Perception
*A radio signal is Perceived by a Receiver and, through tuned circuits, [ insert ‘belief‘ for the HUman Receiver ] is Conceived into sound.
~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~
Another thing for sure is us humans are getting better at perceiving and conceiving.
Despite all this, I do feel we are very close to a new level of understanding and as we increase are ability to percieve/concieve it is creating a snowball effect.......
Wake me up when we get there.
When YOU Wake Up, That’s what gets YOU There
]]>Zenden mentioned adamic and pre-adamic men. That lead me to some thoughts (thanks Zenden) whether Someone violates freewill or not. Monroe described that Someone created the loosh garden to extract the precious good and the life-forms started to evolve in a similar way as evolution theory tells us. So, mankind is ultimately a product of Someone. There is no freewill outside of Someones universe for that mankind, which consists of pre-adamic men, and therefore no free will violation. Things are different for adamic men, which are not originally seeded on earth and have not graduated from plants and animals. From what he wrote, Monroe did not originate from earth – he calls his home KT-95. I think adamic men are Wanderers that got stuck on earth existence-cycle while incarnating initially to just have a look what it’s all about or to perform a special service here. Preventing them from leaving the cycle is indeed free will violation.
As an artist, I'm reminded of the whole creatiion process where at some point where at some point the creator must declare himself finished and set the creation free to be itself (I have trouble with this myself and end up with many unfinished projects that never reach potential, I'm working on it though). As with the parent-child relationship, the creation cannot totally severe its ties to the creator and will often come back around and teach the creator a thing or two. Perhaps this is part of the process we are experiencing.
Zenden, you said a lot and I think i'm with ya. One thing for sure, we are in for a hell of a show, thats for sure. Sometimes I think I'm better off just diving in head first and soaking up as much experience as possible rather than trying to figure out what's going on as we'll have plenty of time to do that later. I can't help myself though, and though I realize that answers just lead to more questions, it's part of the fun of being here and progress is being made, well if you can make progress in infinity.
Another thing for sure is us humans are getting better at perceiving and conceiving. One of the big problems we are facing is how to communicate this to each other as we still seem to be stuck with verbal communication. With new perceptions and concepts coming to light every day we must use the verbal symbology of systems that are rapidly becoming obsolete because of the new perceptions and concepts, another feedback loop.
In this thread we chose, for the most part, Robert Monroes system and terminology to discuss our ideas as it is a good system in that we are all basically familiar with it and have experienced enough similar to trust it. To expand on the concepts and find another reference point we got into Castaneda, which again is another trusted system of understanding but brings in a whole new set of terminology for concepts that could be the same or related or may not at all to Monroes. At one point I brought in (perhaps clumsily) reptilians into the discussion. As far as I know neither Monroe or Casteneda mentions reptilians by name. I brought them up because they seem to be considered public enemy number one as far as loosh consumers go and I consider them real from personal experience. But again this is a whole 'nuther concept and set of word symbols. Again we're stuck with comparing oranges to apples and pears. There were probably a lot of people who could not get into this thread at at the start because they were unfamiliar with Robert Monroes terminology. I'm thankful I understand it as much as I do as it allowed me to participate in this cool discussion.
So lets take this out further and bring in all the other systems of understanding and knowledge and all the language and symbolism that belongs inside each system whether it be the sciences, religion, occult, whatever. It's a wonder people communicate at all beyond the level of "let's eat" or "time to go to work". And yeah, that is probably by design, Tower of Babel and all that.
Despite all this, I do feel we are very close to a new level of understanding and as we increase are ability to percieve/concieve it is creating a snowball effect that is blurring the veil between 3D and 4D and as we learn more of and overcome fear of 4D the process itself will fill in the blanks. I'm hoping along with that will come the process of non verbal communication that Monroe describes in his journeys. That awareness alone is enough to blow away the communication breakdown mentioned above and expose the whole deception/matrix for what it is. It would also do a lot to lessen the "High Level M-Band Noise" that surrounds us as people would be more careful what they think, ha. Just think, no more headaches, no more bullshit, lots of exotic visitors, sounds like fun.
Wake me up when we get there.
SM
]]>They didn't ask us if we want to give our loosh/energy or not. Maybe I'd prefer to throw it to the garbage, even if this loosh is for universe's good. They screwed the Law of Freewill. So although "lets go and kick some lizzie ass" feels like wrong way to me too, I prefer to be totally free. As said in Vendetta movie.
Zenden mentioned adamic and pre-adamic men. That lead me to some thoughts (thanks Zenden) whether Someone violates freewill or not. Monroe described that Someone created the loosh garden to extract the precious good and the life-forms started to evolve in a similar way as evolution theory tells us. So, mankind is ultimately a product of Someone. There is no freewill outside of Someones universe for that mankind, which consists of pre-adamic men, and therefore no free will violation. Things are different for adamic men, which are not originally seeded on earth and have not graduated from plants and animals. From what he wrote, Monroe did not originate from earth – he calls his home KT-95. I think adamic men are Wanderers that got stuck on earth existence-cycle while incarnating initially to just have a look what it’s all about or to perform a special service here. Preventing them from leaving the cycle is indeed free will violation.
]]>i read recently that the mark--and it ties in with Cain, Tubal-Cain, the south of France, the north of scotland, the Kennites, as another researcher said on here last couple of wks; tie ins with adamic man, preAdamic Man, Adam-Kadmon, (hmmmm? Atom/atom!) organic portals/OP's, minions, and geez, ALL THAT and more, and how that ties in with loosh and loosh production, and the times we're in. i am doing something i am finishing or something like that from long long long LONG ago. hey--and i know u may be thinkin, and u will get a kick outta this--so u know what an "old soul" is...hehehe? a slow learner. DUH. i guess that's me when i really think about it, or admit it, i think/feel. (i know i'm a nine, anyway, and thank god that's over. last trip here i am truly hoping). i read the mark of cain = jealousy. i read "jealousy of all humans"....hmmm all over again. u wouldn't believe where i read/get this stuff too, from EVERY KIND OF source u can imagine, including when i began to trace my own bloodlines, blew me away. then i tie it in and that in and go back and forth and read more, anything and everything cross-references itself (yeah--i have alot of time on my hands). is this what is missing and taken back or gotten or farmed or searched for /desired? by/of loosh? is this what they want? need? are human emotions (the whole grey thing/hybrid thing and that's why i say grey and not gray with an a) as close as they r gonna get? to/from loosh? or what? how to then protect from it or know more--i will settle for KNOW MORE. i sense the need to know or find out more, and i love this stuff anyway. is this gonna entail certain DNA activation? or is it one and the same or OF it? dont know but wanna find out. i feel it is going to be needed, and rather sooner than later.
i loved what u both said--especially u saying i'd rather throw it in the garbage and/or flush it than unwillingly surrender it so---YEP YEP YEP--definitely a freewill nonpermission exercise. or is this really really efficient? i think the universe is efficient, is that the deal? one energy exchange for another? quickly, quietly, oh so quietly, like molecules doin their thing, physics being what they ARE. since i have read they think all the resources here and us belong to them, then we pay the rent this way? ok. who made u guys then and just who is the landlord? i wanna bitch about conditions then...
agree too, doesn't make me wanna kick alien lizard vs human-alien lizard butt with Earl, anymore. and i say that on purpose. i am more careful with that now and think i understand more, lately. cuz, see, i did AT ONE TIME, then i moved on from that thru my research. that's why i say BROTHERS as well, they are genetically related to us, some of us more than others, and therein lies the rub. that kept bringing me back--that's why i think the or "the battle" is about that. there is something going on with that. throw in how cells have memory, they have intelligence, how electro-magnetics, hell, how radionics can shed light on that and how PLAIN and SIMPLE KNOWINGNESS relates in here and has LIGHT, it's own memory/container/worlds/physics, how this is connected. i think the mystery schools were on to this and ALOT more OF IT. there's alot of "IT's" --yes, indeed. reaching states of wisdom and knowingness. yet not alot want to or can or seek that out, but its a way of being and a natural course of things for some (alushe was talking similarly lately i think).
also--about SNAKES--done alot on that too and really resonate the most with them symbolically--the meaning and symbol of them. even the caduceus, how it relates and back to the "shining ones/ the old ones" lots of lots of "forbidden knowledge"--why was it forbidden? and on the devil at the doorway of rennes la chateau--the head demon Asmodeus--"this place is terrible"... does he mean the earth? or the chapel there, or that metaphysical place of "secrets/mystery/knowing?" beware what ur doing to find out--beware of what ur looking for. in a nutshell, have alot of respect for the snake==hidden knowledge, arcane knowledge. it's another symbol of foreboding but as we all know--they dont go around bugging people, they mind their own business and only strike back when they sense harm, especially indignant harm and i am no snake expert that's for sure, yet their venom heals. it does alot of beneficial things, and for that matter, so does lizard spit and venom. theyre actually quite vulnerable, soft underbelly. alot of bark and yes, nasty biting, protection though, for themselves. that's one favorite part. the "they" have used the sign of the snake for centuries as BBBAAADDD when in actuality, that is not the case. it's to keep one away from knowing more--scare tactic. the fears projected out all over the place, all the time and what u and stephen m said which was so prolific--thats what we are pissed about. the f----n TACTICS. there is no doubt about the prison, none at all. it can be taken metaphorically and literally, yes. and ur right, man, somebody's supposed to come out a winner in light vs dark. as u said, he said, that was neat--there's not room for both so how about a co-mingling of both? that's what i am getting at, tying in with the grand experiment thing that everybody from all planets is supposedly watching, and the deal with "it's never been done before"....and how a few have "done this before" so theyve been sent here to do clean up/activation again, they know how and "u will know when it's time and all that" and wanderers, and walk-in's. and activation again, but in a "good" way, and this time everybody gets out ALIVE!!! wow. u take the body with ya (merkaba, light body, crystalline body, soul essence, all of 'em). is this the real message behind the rising from thre grave deal with jesus (and the end scene only if u want to...from mel gibson's P of C)? is that the secret? or is that obvious? or what? ascension, with all it's coming up soon symptoms? vs the rapture? ok then--who's goin and who is not? making the cut? pay ur way in/out with good deeds, that was another thread too. i think we can surmise everybody's goin somewhere, according to their vibration, i think opterra was saying that, and there will be worlds for those stuck, those that require lower vibratory states, where they r comfortable. wheat from the chaff? again the mark? is it vibratory? in the DNA? can ur belief system make it so, create it? wow. we certainly know what monroe has seen and experienced.
and then i made the connection, maybe, typing this, maybe the loosh is there, from us so we cant hurt them, as everytime we strike out at them, if we WERE to, we "hurt" ouselves. eating our loosh gets in them, in their DNA, the coded vibratory patterns, all those musings tied in. we take them WITH US when we go and it's a "new creation" which as u know, the universe is good for--except this time its REALLY NEW. it's never been done before. even tho everything else has supposedly been created somewhere else, by otherness, except this. maybe. as in "there's nothing new under the sun" except for this. so then, i love this, lots of people read scifi to get a thrill. a lift, it's fun, all the adjectives, and it;s REALLY really going on all around us, we are SCIFI. oh MAN oh man.
yet, so many times it's a catch-22 all the time. this planet is full of those. i asked an old astronomer/seer that many many years ago--so why r things like that here, Berniece? and she says well, it's very 3D here honey, it's a base planet, whaddaya want from 3D? nothing can ever be any lower here than YOU ARE....oh my god. (i actually was asking her why i had such a putrid boyfriend at the time) and that was in 1976. wow. i am truly trying to find out how this is gonna work out but it will never be as we/i expect i guess. we may be in some for some mind blowing yet gallant surprises. hey i am totally game for all of it. came here to see this one play out and thank my deceased parents all the time--for bringing us in to see this. will end again with WOW.
]]>I have a relative (let's say S, first word of her name) who saw a fascinating dream recently. She told the dream to me without realizing what she said and I was amazed while listening. S sees a big snake in her house and gets afraid. She says I was there and she tells me about the snake. I go to the garden where the snake is gone and look at there. I remain calm and silent so she gets worried. Then she hears a motor noise and looks at the road, sees a kind of jeep coming. There's a man with some uniform on the wheel. She runs to the road stops the vehicle and asks the man to come and look at the garden. She asks "please take a look and tell me if this is dangerous". The man seems very busy and annoyed about the distraction but he gets off and comes to the garden, where I stand. Then he startles when he looks at the garden and says "yes sure they are dangerous, they are here to invade". S thinks "what did he mean saying 'they'?" and looks at the garden for the first time; there are 9 big snakes (one of the points that amazed me about the dream. Council of 9?) there and a lot of little young snakes.
The man gets angry to see them after getting surprised for a moment and enters to the garden, holds one of the big snakes and tears the snake's head. He seems very powerful. "They should not be here, keep them out" he says and quickly leaves.
S was so influenced about this dream. She says there are many very interesting and meaningless (for her) details about the man, his eyeglasses, uniform and even a kind of wireless he holds. He seems very busy and have an important task to do. She said "I really wonder who he is" (as she doesn't know anybody like him in her daily life) to me. I grinned and said "probably you saw an officer from Federation Fleet". She asked "what do you mean" but received no answer from me.
How could I tell her "somewhat you've made a fascinating astral journey in your dream to see our environment's situation and even encountered an officer". They think I'm a sane and ordinary citizen 