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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to update what i said earlier. I said that there was a strange girl in class who was looking at me and then vanished (last post in the 1st page of this topic) I was talking with my teacher and my classmates and not one remebers seeing a girl like that and we even looked over the lists of students and there wasnt a girl like that in the list. So now i&#039;m still going to check the thusday list of students and see if there is a girl there but if not then it was one more strange experience to add to the book <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /> Pwetty girls who look at me intensly and vanish once i look back <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I quite human close relationship, 6 years now.<br />my last was my EX wife OP…<br />I do not see the future, but from my “view&quot;&nbsp; feels like it will be no more.<br />Being alone never is a problem to me, it is not my preferred choice,<br />but it gives-me less problems/worries, “I run from troubles more than<br />evil run from the light&quot; <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /><br />Some people think I am crazy or a “freak monk&quot;&nbsp; or even traumatized <br />by the last relationship, at least they do not think I am gay… <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Greetings,</p><p>&nbsp; Many wonderful replies here this morning.&nbsp; When reading Imhotep 7&#039;s reply to my OP post I realized that in meditation my spiritual guides actually showed me a past life I had with the guy I think is an OP. Thia occurred when I last saw him and&nbsp; he made a point of belittling my yoga and meditation practice-told me and his girlfriend that he valued material possessions above everything else.&nbsp; Perhaps there is an entity that is manipulating him to bring down those around him who are dedicating to breaking free-instead of him being a soulless OP.&nbsp; He was going to a counselor last I heard-so perhaps he does have a conscience.</p><p>Zarg- I don&#039;t think I&#039;m strong enough to pull him out of his state-perhaps it isn&#039;t my karma to do so.&nbsp; Coming from an alcoholic family, I have spent years breaking free of the tendency to help others who don&#039;t want to be helped and have succeeded in doing this! On the other hand if he were to ask for help, I would give it.&nbsp; I only say this because it is very tempting for sensitive/intuitive people to want to help others, esp. ones that don&#039;t really want to be helped.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Zarg wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I&nbsp; usually have no trouble seeing the &#039;heat waves&#039; but am not sure what they mean -- am interested in Marcus&#039; response.&nbsp; </p><p>Marcus -- thanks for your input. I find a lot of people do not have the &#039;heat waves&#039; and sometimes I see them in an empty chair -- but not all empty chairs, and sometimes in places around the bookstore, mall... I wonder if I am about to see something else sitting there that I really don&#039;t want to?!?!?</p></blockquote></div><p>The occasions when I can see these &quot;heat waves&quot; seems to come in periods, which last for a few days or a few weeks.&nbsp; I haven&#039;t really had enough of these occasions to figure a whole lot out about it yet.&nbsp; However the waves certainly seem to give a good indication as to the individual’s personality and emotional state.</p><p>These waves shimmer off an individual from the tip of one shoulder, following the line of the body, up the shoulder over the head and to the tip of the other shoulder.&nbsp; Most often these waves have a flame like quality to them - the waves arc upwards from the body, although some people have weaker waves which are just a plain shimmer.</p><p>What I have noticed is that the intensity and form of these waves is different from person to person.&nbsp; A really old aunt I have, has very gentle but extremely steady waves emanate from her.&nbsp; They only raise a short distance from her, and are fairly faint.&nbsp; She is a gentle lady, and whilst old has a kind and loving thirst for life.</p><p>My Dad has very fiercely burning waves that emanate from him, they extend from one to two feet from his body, however the tips of the waves curve and arc back down towards him - to look at, it appears as though he reabsorbs these waves after forcefully projecting them out.&nbsp; He is a fairly angry man and full of regrets; though he does have a strong drive to constantly be on the go and can rarely sit still for very long. </p><p>So for sure the patterns from these waves vary greatly.&nbsp; I am not sure as of yet if they give any indication as to an individuals soul though.&nbsp; To me it is debatable how much personality = soul.</p><p>As to the other points.&nbsp; Yes, I also see waves from objects or in empty spaces, but it is only on certain objects or spaces...and is very different to the waves that appear from people.&nbsp; I am not sure what this is about - other than maybe it has something to do with an individual’s attachment to that specific object.&nbsp; Or maybe in those spaces there is a ghost image of someone, or maybe even some type of entity.</p><p>Other than that, I can&#039;t really tell you much else.&nbsp; It has been a while since I have last been able to see these things and I am still not sure what triggers the &quot;ability&quot;....</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 10:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to everyone who gave advice on improving auric sight... I am compiling a list of suggestions and shall put them to use.</p><p>---</p><p>I Osokin, over the past five years, I have spoken with numerous people who had the same thing happen to them. They meet someone who seems to be custom tailored to their interests, biases, personal history, emotional weaknesses, and desires, though one who turns out to be the perfect vector of attack. Whatever they are, they function as walking decoys -- human versions of those wooden ducks. What sets them apart from regular dysfunctional people is the synchronistic circumstances under which they appear and the sheer strangeness of it all. </p><p>I experienced it for myself back in early 2001 when first starting to research the matrix... through the most bizarre way, a woman from Seattle contacted me about the same things I was researching even though I had not published anywhere what I had found...this person mirrored my thoughts, interests, everything but beneath the surface was emotionally unstable and overall very odd... and did 180 shifts in personality, an emotional roller-coaster even though their emotions seemed artificially exaggerated. This person basically tried to entrain my thoughts and beliefs into a very paranoid, unstable, isolated, and disinformed state. Came at a critical time in my life where the integrity of my future research depended upon my sanity and discernment. My dreams at the time always portrayed this person as an android or robot despite my not having learned of the robot/synthetic/OP phenomenon yet.</p><p>A couple years later I had the opportunity to examine the email exchanges between an acquaintance and a woman whom the Cassiopaeans told him was actually an &quot;FRV robot&quot;... What he described reminded me of the person I mentioned above. So I contacted him and asked to learn more, to which he agreed to supply me the email exchange. And to my creeped out surprise, this woman was identical in personality, emotional instability, methods of operation, and vibe as the one I encountered. It was like they were of common manufacture. </p><p>Since then I have heard from maybe ten others who independently described encountering the same type of individual under similar circumstances with similar results. My best guess is that they are empty beings who are custom programmed to fit your profile and animated by your own projected soul energies. Could very well be an activated organic portal. Or it could be something more specific, like some type of being manufactured hyperdimensionally and inserted into the timeline like bait cast into water. They have an impatient, needy, desperate, soliciting, inconsistent, empty &quot;feel&quot; to them and explode when you resist their game for too long. What you see in them is your own desire, wishful thinking, and emotional projection. They are sent to those who fall for that kind of stuff.</p><p>Closely related is the <a href="http://alienlovebite.com/main.htm">alien lovebite</a> phenomenon, which Sira mentioned. Eve Lorgen wrote a great book on this concerning &quot;alien interference in human love relationships.&quot; Basically, souled people are abducted and programmed to fall madly in love with each other, then one is artificially switched off which leaves the other person in utter agony...aliens then feed off the anguish. I think these are the same aliens responsible for controlling or manufacturing the&nbsp; &nbsp;odd individuals mentioned above. The love bite is different only in that two souled people are used, and that it concerns intimate relationships. The phenomenon I described earlier is not limited to love relationships but extends to student/teacher, savior/victim, researcher/informant dynamics...and the attack vector is so uncannily matched to the target that I doubt they have an independent existence. </p><p>The way to avoid attracting this crap in the first place is to correct any emotional insecurities you have, become more calm, stable, patient, easy going, etc... and less paranoid, irresponsible, easily frazzled, and emotional. Don&#039;t be a sucker. A genuine person may have things in common with you, but they still have independence and uniqueness about them. Be cautious of people who try to sell themselves to you based solely on the tons of synchronistic commonalities they have, especially if beneath the surface they seem unstable or are persistently trying to push something on you that alarms your intuition.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 02:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I went away for 24 hours and the post-replies are great.&nbsp; </p><p>Montalk:&nbsp; &nbsp;occasionally I have trouble seeing the etheric aura (2-3&quot; from body) and as I shared in my other post Types of Auras (General section)<br />I&nbsp; usually have no trouble seeing the &#039;heat waves&#039; but am not sure what they mean -- am interested in Marcus&#039; response.&nbsp; </p><p>I can see auras better if fasting and drinking a lot of water, but if I am tired, forget it. If my energy is up, I can sometimes catch their aura as I walk by, just a glance ... but I have been practicing for about a year.&nbsp; Caffeine actually helps, red meat hurts (stopped that 3-4 years ago). I did not do specific exercises, either. It was just there one day. Most of the time, in my case, the ability is there -- but not via TV or movies. And I agree, the eyes are what I look at 2nd... helps choose one&#039;s friends.</p><p>Marcus -- thanks for your input. I find a lot of people do not have the &#039;heat waves&#039; and sometimes I see them in an empty chair -- but not all empty chairs, and sometimes in places around the bookstore, mall... I wonder if I am about to see something else sitting there that I really don&#039;t want to?!?!?</p><p>Treehugger -- thanks for the info -- What happened to the lizard when the car drove off... Did he get in it? </p><p>I&#039;m going to see if any of those suggestions to improve auric sight would enhance whatever I&#039;m doing... would like to see the colors farther out from the body... but maybe not if it means finding out that the &#039;heat waves&#039; are actually entities attached to people, or sitting in chairs.... gotta rethink that. </p><p>Sira -- I&#039;ll say it before Montalk does: there is excellent info on OPs on the <a href="http://www.montalk.net">www.montalk.net</a> website -- a 2-part article (Matrix Agents under Matrix tab), also while there see the article on Human Simulacra -- covers more than OPs (home page, blue side bar -- scroll down).&nbsp; </p><p>IOsokin -- you perfectly described the OP behaviour -- they mirror the target.&nbsp; Maybe &#039;stalk&#039; is a better word.<br />As I read your post, and you decribed her, what came to mind (before you said it) was an insect. I assume you are no longer seeing her? Let it be known thru your intention in the subtle realm that you will not play that game, wish her well, and ask for the Light to send you who/what you want. Sometimes the negs will send you their best before you get the real thing. Persist. As I said in todays&#039; post (New Age and MCS Undone -- in this General forum) you can set your intention, &#039;fill the box&#039;, keep at it, and expect it to happen FOR you, not TO you.</p><p>Sira (again) -- I am reading the posts sequentially, and my suggestion for the OP issue is that a souled person can act like an OP, but you can pull them out of it, work with them... OPs do not respond to love and care... They have nothing to respond with -- see Montalk&#039;s response earlier in this thread (Synthetic People), they have no self. </p><p>Get someone who sees auras and see if your potential OP has an aura... or practice this yourself. Sit them against a semi-dim wall, like in a restaurant, look at their forehead, defocus your eyes and pay attention to what&#039;s above/around their head -- don&#039;t look directly at the area above their head, just &#039;observe&#039; it with your peripheral vision.&nbsp; If you see nothing, test it on other people -- they&#039;re not all OPs. <br />And we don&#039;t want to label someone an OP if they are just a dense human.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 01:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d like to know more about Organic Portals-because it is very tempting to classify certain individuals as OPs-kind of like after one reads a book on psychology, they tend to want to classify people according to various psychological types.&nbsp; &nbsp;I would love to typecast an individual I know as an OP: obsessed with sex and money.&nbsp; I have watched him mutate from a friend into someone who is going through life quite robotically.&nbsp; Is this an OP or someone who has been taken over by something else.&nbsp; Can a souled individual become an OP through programming?&nbsp; I&#039;d like to know before I write this person off as an OP.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 22:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>check out the book &#039;Alien Love Bite&#039; which there is a link to on the Montalk site.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>One technique to enhance auric perception is to take a bright orange piece of paper and cut a disc about two to three inches in diameter.&nbsp; Put the disc on a wall at eye level and look at it until you see an aura around the disc.&nbsp; Apparently it is a Buddhist yantra technique although I haven&#039;t come across it in books.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 16:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Montalk,<br />Interesting you should ask about what can be done to enhance your auric sight.&nbsp; &nbsp;You reminded me of an experiment I did once, after reading the book &quot;Change almost anything in 21 days&quot; by Ruth Fishel.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>I had used affirmation&#039;s in the past to enhance my clairvoyance and but in this book they recommend writing down the affirmation&#039;s to better impress your subconscious mind.&nbsp; &nbsp;So I tried it with &quot;I am now profoundly clairvoyant&quot;.&nbsp; &nbsp;I wrote this down at least 10 times a day for 21 days.&nbsp; &nbsp;During this time I had some spontaneous clairvoyance flashes, even before I reached the 21 day mark, and did prove that writing it down works wonders.&nbsp; </p><p>This would probably also work with seeing aura&#039;s, you could write something like &quot;I now have the profound ability to see aura&#039;s&quot; or &quot;My auric sight has increased to profound level&#039;s&quot; or some such wording.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>Being a veggetarian is also a big thing, from what I read, to develop our psychic abilities, which I&#039;m sure you probably already know about that.&nbsp; &nbsp;I ran into an angel book where the angels gave the author the adivice of drinking alot of pineapple juice, since this juice in particular, according to them, help&#039;s develp our inner vision. </p><p>And the last thing that would probably enhance your vision is using a beaded string of lapis beads around your neck.&nbsp; &nbsp;I&#039;ve had spontaneous telepathic occurances happen to me with a string of lapis on, I would imagine if you focus on aura&#039;s that would probably be enhanced too.</p><br /><p>J.P.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Zarg, the Hudson Valley in upstate NY is known for its ufos.&nbsp; The Ashokan Resevoir, is the water supply for NYC, and people see ufos out there a lot.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Zarg, your Tuscon incident reminded me of one I had back in 1981. My husband was in the Air Force at the time, and we were stationed on Guam.&nbsp; My husband was showing me around some old unused portions of the base, like the old flight lines from WW2 that were no longer in use. I noticed a huge monitor lizard, which are common there. they are about 3 to 4&#039;. It was by an old abandoned dump, so we pulled over to watch the lizard.&nbsp; A shiny black sedan pulled up over where the lizard was, across the street from us near the old dumpsite. Two pasty white men in black suits and sunglasses got out of the car, and looked at us, stood there and conversed for a few minutes and got back in the car and drove away. Back then, we didnt really think too much of it, we just thought it was kind of silly for two guys to be in suits out in the boonies where we were, also, they were so white in complexion and we were on a tropical island in the middle of the pacific.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Montalk, it seems to vary a lot depending on the degree of mental activity that is going on.&nbsp; When my mind is peaceful for a prolonged period (as in days and weeks) - I begin to see shimmering emanating from people.&nbsp; It is almost like the heat waves that you can see raising from a car on a hot day.&nbsp; The shimmering varies from person to person, and seems to give an indication of their personality type.</p><p>However when my mind has become full of lots of junk; trivial stuff, day-to-day concerns (i.e. when I become too entrenched in the physical world) then this ability completely disappears.</p><p>I have also found that drinking lots of water - instead of sweet drinks (too much glucose) - helps a lot with keeping the mind calm.&nbsp; Further, daft as it may sound, cluttered environments such as messy rooms seem to have a negative affect as well.&nbsp; I suspect this has something to do with&nbsp; such mess often being a result of a some form of emotion (laziness, boredom etc.) this is especially true if it is mess I have created myself.</p><p>Mostly though - as I said above - it seems to pivot on the amount of mental activity I have going on; which in turn is affected by many other things.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I have a fairly good aura sight, but my fear is not letting it become fully developed at the moment so i can answer some questions.</p><p>Mood effects strongly, think of it as another muscle and what effects muscle performance. Long exposure to EM field usually decreases the ability, i&#039;ve heard vegeterians have a better ability, tho if this is caused by diet or if the diet and the ability are caused by a high spirituality is another matter. Aura sight is easy to develope if you just relax and let your eyes do the work.</p><p>Old people have a more faint glow as they have a fainter voice as opposed to young people. Or for example. if the young people were in the book store to pick up chicks then their physical aura would be enhanced as opposed to the old people who were seeking knowledge would ofcourse have a less prenounced physical aura.</p><p>There are atlest 7 possibly 9 and likely more levels of the aura. One closest to the skin is the physical aura and beyond that the aura levels expand and get of higher vibrations and thus harder to see. So even a person that has no visible aura to someone who sees only the first 3 levels could have a magnificent aura on the 4th and higher levels. That would still be a health problem but it is possible. I would recommend Barbara ann brennan &#039;s book hands of light for your basic information about healings and auras. There are some things that i believe are inaccurate but it is mostly fairly accurate.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick question - those of you who can see auras, even if only shimmering or a faint white glow, does your ability to see them vary with any important factors like diet, sleep, mental state, mood, etc...? I know the technique, but was wondering if anything beyond practicing can help. Also wonder if UV blocking contact lenses interfere.</p><p>Tonight I was people-watching while out grabbing a snack and browsing the book store. Most all of the younger kids had &quot;something&quot; emitting from them, while the ones I couldn&#039;t get a read on were two or three guys in their forties, which I wasn&#039;t certain was just my poor auric sight or their lack of an aura. Currently, I get a more reliable read looking into someone&#039;s eyes than gazing for what is supposed to be their aura, but I&#039;m working on improving the latter. </p><p>Any of you ponder what exactly you would do if you had the absolute ability to see who was what? Out in public I would merely look around with amusement and let people be whatever they are. But when it comes to important friends and associates, I would scan and keep my distance from those that are bad news.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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