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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Alienation]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=31069#p31069</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>dreamosis wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A friend wrote to me today that alienation probably began with domestication.&nbsp; I think I agree ... Where does domestication begin?</p></blockquote></div><p>I&#039;m not sure whether domestication = alienation, but I&#039;d venture a guess that alienation begins right around the time that you forget about the Spirit, and start taking yourself too seriously.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 05:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Alienation]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=31061#p31061</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Capitan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>We also live in an alien nation, where many of us are foreign to this realm.&nbsp; It is much easier now to become a hermit then in the past.&nbsp; I shut myself up for weeks...</p></blockquote></div><p>I &quot;got&quot; a cat last November, and having a cat around has super-highlighted the issue of my own domestication and patterns of solitude.&nbsp; </p><p>From the beginning I decided I wanted a &quot;wild&quot; cat: he would be indoor/outdoor (though he&#039;s not exactly free to come and go since I don&#039;t have a cat-door), he would keep his claws, he would keep his balls, I&#039;ll let him eat birds--on my back porch--if he ever catches one, and I haven&#039;t taken him for an immunization yet.&nbsp; I&#039;m considering the rabies vaccination, but I wonder how many cases of cat rabies there really are.&nbsp; I&#039;m the Humane Society&#039;s worst nightmare.&nbsp; </p><p>Anyway, my point is is he loves being outside, hates to be alone, and acts out if he&#039;s either indoors for too long or alone for too long.&nbsp; And observing that has made me question my own emotional gradient regarding those two issues, domestication and solitude.</p><p>A friend wrote to me today that alienation probably began with domestication.&nbsp; I think I agree.&nbsp; But what is domestication?&nbsp; Are we domesticating the earth and ourselves when we first build shelter?&nbsp; I think not because there are plenty of animal species who build shelters--even elaborate shelters, and yet aren&#039;t considered to be apart from nature like humans are.&nbsp; Where does domestication begin?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (dreamosis)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 02:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Alienation]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=31057#p31057</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>We also live in an alien nation, where many of us are foreign to this realm.&nbsp; It is much easier now to become a hermit then in the past.&nbsp; I shut myself up for weeks barely going out for social contact.&nbsp; You have the internet, video games, TV.&nbsp; I have lived in fear of people for so long, now I need to try and break out.&nbsp; </p><p>Good topic.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Capitan)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 00:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Alienation]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=31039#p31039</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yup we&#039;re learning to not-trust ourselves because we all think we&#039;re evil, IMO I believe most of this is very subjective though. Boundries are meant to be broken because there really are none.</p><p>I want to get back to the subjective part though because I believe there is a very important aspect to it. I think that the reason why this alienation exists is because; by getting to know other people we are getting to know ourselves more. Think about it.... while at the same time we&#039;re getting to know that person they&#039;re also reflecting a little bit of us back while also refelcting all of the &#039;other people&#039; that they have met before. <br />To be honest, and even psycology or sociology determines this that we are really nobody. We are all reflections of ourselves. And to be honest I think we are all afraid of &quot;our-selves&quot;.&nbsp; &nbsp;Just to go a little deeper in thought, I think ALL of us are in essense love but evil fears love.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (E3mpirical1)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 07:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Alienation]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=31027#p31027</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>It seems obvious to me that our civilization fosters alienation.&nbsp; </p><p>The car is insulating.&nbsp; Literally.&nbsp; It physically separates you from warmth or wind or cold and the experience of being outside.&nbsp; </p><p>Housing is separative.&nbsp; We live mostly in single-family units or alone.</p><p>Movie theatres, in the last ten years I&#039;ve noticed, have even begun building seats with individual armrests so that one doesn&#039;t have to go through the uncomfortable motions of either keeping one&#039;s arm in one&#039;s lap or occupying an armrest at the expense of another arm (or, even more uncomfortable, actually touching a stranger!)</p><p>Yet, while alienation is built into our existence through a wide variety of physical technologies and conveniences, the alienation is also obviously deeper.&nbsp; I mean, normally, people who drive cars don&#039;t suddenly strike up friendly conversations on a bus merely because the physical, alienating barrier has been taken away.</p><p>The alienation is physical and mental.&nbsp; </p><p>...I tried to explaining to somebody the other day how trippy I think it is that our culture is almost constantly viewing a type of simulacra.&nbsp; The person didn&#039;t get it.&nbsp; I had to say something like, &quot;Imagine that it&#039;s 1900, and you&#039;re hearing a radio recording for the first time ever, and you think it&#039;s magic, like: &#039;Hey, how are they doing that?...It&#039;s pulling the sound out of the air?&nbsp; But I don&#039;t hear anything in the air around the thing...Radiowaves?&nbsp; What&#039;s radiowaves?&#039;&quot;&nbsp; The person from 1900 is as aware of the device as they are of the sound from it; in 2006, for many, talking on the phone is more or less the same as spending time with someone.&nbsp; </p><p>We&#039;re surrounded by electronic representations of things instead of the real things.&nbsp; Instead of an evening walk, people unwind by listening to pre-recorded crickets.&nbsp; We&#039;ve torn down wetlands and installed 24 Hour Fitnesses with jogging tracks and maybe, maybe, a watercolor painting of a nature scene in the brushed steel lobby.&nbsp; </p><p>Weirder than the alienation is the alienation from the feeling of alienation.&nbsp; The group approval of the controlled simulacra over the &quot;chaotic&quot; real.&nbsp; Would there be as many sitcoms if everybody shared an apartment with three or four of their college friends?</p><p>Is the physical alienation the progenitor of the mental?&nbsp; Or is there mental alienation that has nothing to do with the conditioning of physical barriers?&nbsp; The concept of &quot;Other&quot; is probably the beginning of alienation.&nbsp; But, from there, how does it enter our lives and what does it look like at that point?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (dreamosis)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 01:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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