Noble Realms — SPLENDA: Is there a downside?

Re: SPLENDA: Is there a downside?

null@example.com (Pictus) — Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:49:51 +0000

Tom Paine wrote:

Soylent Green here we come.

Hehehe I remember that !

Natural is the way to go !!
Sometimes I think that some artificial “food" are made
intentionally to do some kind of harm in the long way
creating illnesses for then to sell drugs, more illnesses
more loosh…

Re: SPLENDA: Is there a downside?

null@example.com (Tom Paine) — Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:42:33 +0000

I just heard an interview on NPR's Fresh Air with Terri Gross. She interviewed the author
of a new book The Omivore's Dilemma in which he traces the food chain and explores
health foods vs. what they're herding us to eat. It seems that high fructose corn syrup
is sneaking into everything. The long range consequences are very disturbing concerning
our food supply and what we're being told. Since we're hard wired into seeking the most
calories for the least amount of effort, we're tasting sweetness in places where it doesn't
belong because they're sweetening everything. The overweight/obesity problem has this
as a major contributor. Not only does HFCS add sweetness and calories, it fools the brain
into not knowing when it's had enough to eat! And the constant corn production depletes
the soil and must be fed carbon fuel fertilizer in extreme amounts to get it to produce.
Couple that with the fact that certain mega corporations have a patent on the seeds which
means you gotta buy the seeds from them and you've got a one way ticket to poverty for
farmers and gluttony for the corporations and their blind high-dollar return investors.
Controlling the production of food. Soylent Green here we come.

The author of the book The Ominivore's Dilemma is Michael Pollen (sp?) Polland (?)

Anyway, the whole point of this information is that people want the sweetness but
but don't want the calories so they try to use artificial sweetners which is what this
thread is about.

Re: SPLENDA: Is there a downside?

null@example.com (StarCat) — Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:32:55 +0000

All artificial sweetners are a bad idea because the body is not designed to handle artifice.
Fake sweetners are highly addictive and can induce cumulative damage to the body.
I had an ex GF who quit diet pop and it changed her life. My EX wife will get militant if you suggest that she give up diet soda. This thing is very sad whe I see so many women drinking that dren.
Whoa, the stuff does not even taste good! How do people get to drinking it???
I'll never understand. Its a sickness.
All types of fake food should be avoided like the plague.
I have no doubts that much of this stuff is connected with causing diabetes.
I knew this one guy who was suffering from migranes and his diet was loaded with meds and fake sweetners and the migrane problem was NOT resolved but still rearing its ugly head at any possible time. Alot of this kind of thing is about latent toxicity and toxic diets.
Real sugar is not a totally bad thing when used moderately and I have not heard of any problems with stevia. For a very interesting show on Biochem check out the show called Heal The Cause and listen to Nov. 10, 2005. This guy Jim is a genius. This deals with Fungus aka Candida and the implications are major. The products that have been developed are unique and many are finding them to be effective.

Re: SPLENDA: Is there a downside?

null@example.com (Tom Paine) — Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:52:15 +0000

StarCat---I agree. I use Stevia mostly, but still use xylitol. When I stopped drinking diet
sodas, I noticed how the taste they leave in your mouth is almost like a suggestion to
drink more of them. Same with sugar. I've never tried brown rice syrup. I have tried
black strap molasses, but my stomach didn't seem to like the iron content. Maybe I
should have diluted it like Barefoot Doc suggested.
You're preaching to the choir concerning the polarity split between natural and synthetic.
Natural remedies can't be patented, so they're trying to suppress all knowledge of them
and their sale or use. Then they can feed you artificial "medicines" that don't cure you
and cost you an arm and a leg to buy.
Here is an article about what drugs actually cost to produce:
COSTCO! read this . . .

Let's hear it for Costco!! (This is just mind-boggling!) Make sure you read all the way past the list of the drugs.
The woman that signed below is a Budget Analyst out of federal Washington, DC offices.

Did you ever wonder how much it costs a drug company for the active
ingredient in prescription medications? Some people think it must cost a lot, since
many drugs sell for more than $2.00 per tablet. We did a search of offshore chemical synthesizers that supply the active ingredients found in drugs approved by the FDA. As we have revealed in past issues of Life Extension, a significant percentage of drugs sold in the United State s contain active ingredients made in other countries. In our independent investigation of how much profit drug companies really make,
we obtained the actual price of active ingredients used in some of the most popular drugs sold in America.

The data below speaks for itself.

Celebrex: 100 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $130.27
Cost of general active ingredients: $ 0.60
Percent markup: 21,712%

Claritin: 1 0 mg
Consumer Price (100 tablets): $215.17
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.71
Percent markup: 30,306%

Keflex: 250 mg
Consumer Price (100 tablets): $157.39
Cost of general active ingredients: $1.88
Percent markup: 8,372%

Lipitor: 20 mg
Consumer Price (100 tablets): $272.37
Cost of general active ingredients: $5.80
Percent markup: 4,696%

Norvasc: 10 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $188.29 Cost of general active ingredients: $0.14
Percent markup: 134,493%

Paxil: 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $220.27
Cost of general active ingredients: $7.60
Percent markup: 2,898%

Prevacid: 30 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $44.77
Cost of general active ingredients: $1.01
Percent markup: 34,136%

Prilosec: 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $360.97
Cost of general active ingredients $0.52
Percent markup: 69,417%

Prozac: 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets) : $247.47
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.11
Percent markup: 224,973%

Tenormin: 50 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $104.47
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.13
Percent markup: 80,362%

Vasotec: 10 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $102.37
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.20
Percent markup: 51,185%

Xanax: 1 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets) : $136.79
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.024
Percent markup: 569,958%

Zestril: 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets) $89.89
Cost of general active ingredients $3.20
Percent markup: 2,809

Zithromax: 600 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $1,482.19
Cost of general active ingredients: $18.78
Percent markup: 7,892%

Zocor: 40 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $350.27
Cost of general active ingredients: $8.63
Percent markup: 4,059%

Zoloft: 50 mg
Consumer price: $206.87
Cost of general active ingredients: $1.75
Percent markup: 11,821%

Since the cost of prescription drugs is so outrageous, I thought
everyone should know about this. Please read the following and pass it on.
It pays to shop around. This helps to solve the mystery as to why they
can afford to put a Walgreen's on every corner. On Monday night,
Steve Wilson, an investigative reporter for Channel 7 News in Detroit,
did a story on generic drug price gouging by pharmacies. He found
in his investigation, that some of these generic drugs were marked up as
much as 3,000% or more. Yes, that's not a typo.....three thousand
percent! So often, we blame the drug companies for the high cost of
drugs, and usually rightfully so. But in this case, the fault clearly
lies with the pharmacies themselves. For example, if you had to buy a prescription
drug, and bought the name brand, you might pay $100 for 100 pills.
The pharmacist might tell you that if you get the generic equivalent,
they would only cost $80, making you think you are "saving" $20. What
the pharmacist is not telling you is that those 100 generic pills may
have only cost him $10!

At the end of the report, one of the anchors asked Mr. Wilson whether or
not there were any pharmacies tha t did not adhere to this practice,
and he said that Costco consistently charged little over their cost for
the generic drugs.

I went to the Costco site, where you can look up any drug, and get its
online price. It says that the in-store prices are consistent with the
online prices. I was appalled. Just to give you one example from my own
experience, I had to use the drug, Compazine, which helps prevent nausea
in chemo patients.

I used the generic equivalent, which cost $54.99 for
60 pills at CVS. I checked the price at Costco, and I could
have bought 100 pills for $19.89. For 145 of my pain pills, I paid
$72.57. I could have got 150 at Costco for $28.08.

I would like to mention, that although Costco is a "membership" type
store, you do NOT have to be a member to buy prescriptions there,
as it is a federally regulated substance. You just tell them at the door
that you wish to use the pharmacy, and they will let you in. (this is
true)

I went there this past Thursday and asked them. I am asking each of you
to please help me by copying this letter, and passing it into your
own e-mail, and send it to everyone you know with an e-mail address.

Sharon L. Davis
Budget Analyst
U.S . Department of Commerce
Room 6839
Office Ph: 202-482-4458
Office Fax: 202-482-5480
E-mail Address: sdavis@doc.gov

Re: SPLENDA: Is there a downside?

null@example.com (StarCat) — Sun, 02 Apr 2006 14:02:57 +0000

Tom, have you tried Stevia? Brown Rice Syrup?
My rule for anything I put in my body is NOTHING UNNATURAL.
The body is not designed for artifice. Fake sweetners are really dangerous regardless of the formulation because they are not products of the natural order. I knew one girl who saw the dangers and was able to quite drinking diet soda. It changed her life. The fake sweetners are addictive.
They really taste BAD, but people force themselves to acquire a taste while the body gets hooked.
The system is all about unnatural dependencies.
Synthetics are separative in nature.
I am convinced that among other things they are causing people to become diabetic. The synthetic is almost always out of harmony and not in resonance with the natural. The current matrix control system on Earth is rooted in a war of natural vs. synthetic. DuPont wanted to make synthetic rope for warfare and destroyed all the benefits that hemp had to offer mankind. Many other stories out there.

Re: SPLENDA: Is there a downside?

null@example.com (Tom Paine) — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:37:24 +0000

Hey SeventhSojourn,

You're onto something important about sweeteners. If one doesn't use sweeteners, then one
begins to appreciate the real taste of foods, vegetables, fruits, etc. It's like, if you eat your
dessert first, then the green beans don't taste very good.

Cinnamon really does add a sweetening effect to many foods. Put it in plain applesauce or
on apple slices and it really adds zing.

Deconditioning yourself to sweets is like coming off drugs or alcohol. It's rough at first, but
then you come to view life differently, without "sugar-coating."

Re: SPLENDA: Is there a downside?

null@example.com (SeventhSojourn) — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:40:39 +0000

I make green tea to bring to work -- I just fill up a Nalgene bottle with my home distilled water and add a couple tea bags to the cold water. No sweetener, I like it that way. If you try it you might come to like it. I think it has a nice taste naturally. And if you use tea with Chai spice, it's really good! I avoid artificial sweeteners primarily by sticking to high quality foods that taste good in their own right, and limiting desserts. If I use a sweetener I use molasses, organic cane sugar, maple syrup, or other whole forms. One of my favorite tricks is to use a good strong Vietnamese cinnamon, and the rich flavor makes it seem like there is sugar added (for cereal, yogurt, & such). I don't trust Splenda, and I think the rest of them, including Stevia and Xylitol, taste bad.

As far as saccharin going out of favor, I read on Dr. Mercola's site a suggestion that its demise was related to the push to get aspartame approved. His info on aspartame is an interesting read! If I knew how to post a link I would post it, but you can just search "aspartame" on his site to find it.

Re: SPLENDA: Is there a downside?

null@example.com (Barefoot Doc) — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:12:59 +0000

Mystical Girl wrote:

Dangers of Distilled Water:
http://www.mercola.com/article/water/di … _water.htm

I am familiar with that article but it does contain many myths (though mercola is normally pretty good) there is no way distilled water leaches minerals from cellular tissue that is one giant myth, it will only leach inorganic minerals from the body. These sites dispell some of the myths about distilled water being unhealthy.

Will distilled water kill you?
Some web sites post information that is not based on fact or science. Because AquaPrix installs a lot of the INNOWAVE, Inc., A Mutual of Omaha Subsidiary, and Pure & Secure, Inc. water distillation systems we have decided to post latest medical experts and scientific research that actually clarify any unsubstantiated claims or "old wives tales" regarding this myth.
FROM Dr. Andrew Weil
First of all, let me review for the record what distilled water is - it's water that has been turned into steam so its impurities are left behind. The steam is then condensed to make pure water. The process of distillation kills and removes virtually all bacteria, viruses, heavy metals, and other organic and inorganic contaminants. Once distilled, the water is as pure as water can reasonably be.
For reasons I don't understand, any number of myths - some quite extreme - have grown up over the years about distilled water. A quick Internet search today will take you to sites that put forth such views as "distilled water leads to early death." Nonsense. One claim holds that distillation removes all of water's beneficial minerals. While it's true that distillation removes minerals as well as various contaminants from water, we don't know that the human body can readily absorb minerals from water. We get our minerals from food, not water. By one manufacturer's estimate, you would have to drink 676 eight-ounce glasses of tap water in Boston to reach the RDA for calcium.
Your question as to whether distilled water leaches minerals out of the body reflects another persistent myth. While pure water helps to remove minerals from the body that cells have eliminated or not used, it does not "leach" out minerals that have become part of your body's cell structure. Neither does distilled water cause your teeth to deteriorate, a false claim made by a filter manufacturer looking to boost sales. As far as acidity goes, distilled water is close to a neutral pH and has no effect on the body's acid/base balance.
I hope I've set your mind at ease. Distilled water not only isn't dangerous, it's the purest form of water. It's also the kind of water I drink.
Dr. Andrew Weil - Published 12/19/2001

http://www.aquaprix.com/Will_Distilled_ … l_You.html
See also
http://thecompounder.com/recommendwater.html
http://www.getalife.net.au/mag/water_html
http://www.naturalsolutions1.com/ecodist2.htm
http://www.aquatechnology.net/Dispellin … ories.html
Distilled water can become acidic if its left in the open air but i dont allow this to happen and i have tested mine with PH strips and it aroung 6.8
I always use distilled water as a base to make healthy pure water, by
adding ionic minerals and then putting it through a magnetic vortex device so overcoming any problems with the water having no minerals and being energetically "blank" anyway

Re: SPLENDA: Is there a downside?

null@example.com (Mystical Girl) — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:35:08 +0000

Dangers of Distilled Water:

http://www.mercola.com/article/water/di … _water.htm

Does anyone use Agave Nectar? It's made from cacti and has a low glycemic index. I use it when I drink tea. (Which isn't very often.)

Re: SPLENDA: Is there a downside?

null@example.com (Barefoot Doc) — Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:35:36 +0000

il bagattel wrote:

Barefoot Doc wrote:
They are putting that fluorine molecule in all kinds of things it seems, if they cant get you with the water they will get you through food and medical drugs and teflon non stick pans.
Since they don't fluoridate the water here in France, they are fluoridating just about everything else commercially preparred. I used to use Plax mouthwash in the states because it was not fluoridated. Not so in France. It is licensed to Colgate here and they load it with the stuff. Toothpastes here have twice the fluoride that they have in the states. I have to buy a toothpaste made in Spain. There are no French toothpastes, that I have found, that are not fluoridated. They even have fluoridated table salt. All of the packaging for these products boldly advertise the fact like it is a big selling point... and for most, sadly, it has become so.

Really, i am quite shocked about that in France the health food shops in the UK sell many different brands of fluoride free toothpaste.
Fluorinated table salt too? that really is outrageous.

Iam lucky enough to live in an area that fluorinates the water, so i bought a distiller to try to remove as much as possible.
Whole house fluoride filters are expensive so i am sure to take only a few minutes when bathing in the water as its obsorbed through the skin too.
From what i understand people who have poor diets (lack of calcium, magnesium and trace elements etc) are more susceptable to fluoride poisoning and fluoride retention in bones and teeth as there is no competition for the uptake of fluoride.

Risen wrote:

Green tea... I love it, but, alas -- another great source of Fluoride. And unless you get some good organic brand, be sure you're also getting plenty of pestisides etc

I have read that green tea can contain several mg per cup and rooibus tea even more.
I dont know that natural occuring fluorine has the same damaging effect as the chemical compounds and silcofluorides and would welcome any information anyone has about this. I remember reading that natural fluorine does not have a free ion at the molecular level and is rendered more harmless with its assosiation with other minerals or trace elements such as calcium but would welcome more knowledge.

Re: SPLENDA: Is there a downside?

null@example.com (Tom Paine) — Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:23:09 +0000

Well Ching Gah!
Actually I'm just using the Dasani bottle, not the water. I buy RO and filtered water from
a water store down the street. I'm sure Dasani has fluoride in it. And isn't fluoride mostly
Alien piss vented up through those stinking hot springs in Yellowstone (pee stone!) from
deep underground bases?

And yes, xylitol is probably a sugar alcohol from the bark of some tree, Birch, isn't it?
I forget what the problem with sugar alcohols is, could you refresh my memory?

I've got this product I bought a couple of years ago that's got stevia and malt dextrin
in it and is used as a sugar substitute...any thoughts on that? Does it raise blood sugar?

Also, all the bad press that saccharine got a few years ago, was that just from the sugar
lobby? Or does it cause bad things if you only use it in small quantities? You know they
fed rats the equivalent of about three pounds of it a day to make them get bladder
cancer. Heck, we would too if we ingested that much.

Since sugar feeds candida albicans and diabetes isn't using small quantities of stevia
and saccharine worth the tradeout?

Many questions, I know, but expiring... uh, inquiring minds want to know!

Thanks for any feedback on this!

Re: SPLENDA: Is there a downside?

null@example.com (Risen) — Mon, 13 Feb 2006 02:18:25 +0000

Green tea... I love it, but, alas -- another great source of Fluoride. And unless you get some good organic brand, be sure you're also getting plenty of pestisides etc.

And green tea made with Dasani water!? Hmm... Something tells me you'd be better off with some store-bought "distilled". Forgive me I just dont trust Coke to change their RO filters often enough. Afterall profit is their only goal.

For sweeteners, I just think natural sugar is the way to go. Xylitol and Stevia look promising but I suspect it won't be long before some major issues are uncovered with those as well. If I'm not mistaken Xylitol is still a sugar-alcohol, isnt it?

Anyway "natural sugar" is very hard to find, as even brands like "Sugar in the Raw" are still partially processed. It's not pure cane sugar. Just do a google and I'm sure you'll find it in just a few clicks.

Re: SPLENDA: Is there a downside?

null@example.com (Tom Paine) — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:27:35 +0000

Cookware sans teflon: Stainless. Cast iron. Pyrex. Enamel coated "camping" cookware will not
impart aluminum or fluorine. I just bought a stock pot with enamel coating to make my
green tea in quantity to drink instead of the canned poison drinks. I sweeten it with some
xylitol and some stevia. But people wonder what I'm drinking when they see a Dasani
water bottle filled with some green tea. When I tell them they go on about what's the matter
with Diet Coke, Pepsi, etc., I tell them that aspartame causes seizures and turns into
formaldehyde at body temp. Usually I don't bother, though. No point in upsetting the OP's.

Re: SPLENDA: Is there a downside?

null@example.com (il bagattel) — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:16:02 +0000

Barefoot Doc wrote:

They are putting that fluorine molecule in all kinds of things it seems, if they cant get you with the water they will get you through food and medical drugs and teflon non stick pans.

Since they don't fluoridate the water here in France, they are fluoridating just about everything else commercially preparred. I used to use Plax mouthwash in the states because it was not fluoridated. Not so in France. It is licensed to Colgate here and they load it with the stuff. Toothpastes here have twice the fluoride that they have in the states. I have to buy a toothpaste made in Spain. There are no French toothpastes, that I have found, that are not fluoridated. They even have fluoridated table salt. All of the packaging for these products boldly advertise the fact like it is a big selling point... and for most, sadly, it has become so.

On the up side, there are really great sea salts here. Lots of varieties. My favorite is gray Noir Moutier. You can find this in the states at Trader Joe's, if you have one nearby, for less than they charge for it here. Also a really good, rich in minerals, sea salt from Utah, called Redmond's, tastes great. I have it sent over in my occassional "care packages."

Aritficial sweetners are all the rage here. All the usual suspects are available. I have tried to warn people about this and they look at me like I am crazy. I guess the news will get here eventually. If you can find the La Perruche sugars in the states, they are very good. I used to see them from time to time in the states. Sun dried cane juice, in roughly approximate cubes, from the French territorial island of La Reunion. Good stuff if you have to have it in your coffee in the mornings.

Finding cookware here that is not teflon (or some variant non-stick) coated is impossible, unless you want to go to an upscale store in a larger city and pay through the wazoo. Thankfully, I brought some stainless steel from the states when I moved.

They are going to get the poisons into the food chain no matter where you live.

Re: SPLENDA: Is there a downside?

null@example.com (whitewater) — Tue, 07 Feb 2006 07:46:41 +0000

Hi Tom, you lost the bet
but yes I am from down under!
Each 100 grams of Zam-Buk contains;
oil of eucalyptus 5.03g
camphor 1.81g
oil of thyme 0.50g
oil of sassafras 0.62g
It is a topical salve, looks like Tiger balm.
Made in south africa.
I know we are deviating from the subject Tom........ but I am still new.......... I do think sungazing is good for your health though. It will be 100 seconds this evening. If I find my eyes getting sore, I stop, use your own intuition here, we are all different. IMO UV is important, re-Chemtrails, seems to affect my lungs (I mean it used to). It felt like what I could imagine, swallowing a cigarette when it was still alight would feel like. The taste is so gross. My lungs felt like scorched. I find that if I get into a really positive frame of mind and sun gaze, then sing in your head, Phil Collins, Let it rain down on me, it not only helps but heals. I am going to stick with an apple fast though Tom and try some of Doc's (i think it is called SOL) made from the Himalayan Crystal Salts. For any Aussies out there, you can buy from Sydney thru the internet, much cheaper to ship.