After reading this thread a couple of weeks ago, I became intrigued, and decided to order the first two books in the "Conversations With Nostradamus" series.  The books are everything lyra described, and more; they're so very interesting.

As far as his prophesies that did not come to pass; I think that those were just some of the more probable futures from where he stood looking into the future, that did not come to pass, for reasons beyond my comprehension, but were probable futures nonetheless.  I definitely plan to order more of Dolores' books in the near future, and recommend others to do so, if you find them to be intriguing yourselves. (:

Sanity is the birthright of every human, but apparently not the default position. You have to work for it and achieve it - something which tenet has obviously done, but the vast majority don't even seem to be trying to do. (I mean the people in the world; most of those on NR are clearly excepted.)

1st they would have to start loving the truth, then they could start trying to discover it.

if somebody has seen/heard the evidence for negative abductions and malevolent entities yet, they still adhere to the same script about how positive and good it all is, at that point it's safe to assume they're operating under programming, versus naivete and gullibility.

Yes, the programming idea makes sense.  In the Dolores Cannon book "The Custodians", abduction after abduction is described, often in great detail, and often they are clearly not pleasant experiences.

After all those indications, to still say that the abductions are 100% benevolent - something seems out of place.

The one thing that left me confused was how Dolores could be so gullible as to believe the part about abductions being 100% helpful and non-interfering to people, even after the horrifying accounts related to her by Phil. I was also surprised at how cunningly deceptive the source was at relating the abduction phenomenon as being beneficial to people, and how casually they swore they were of the utmost positive intent. There seemed to be no change in tone from the session dealing with abduction, from the sessions in the previous chapters that supposedly came from the same source. This made me a bit leery of what I'd just read only pages before with so much interest and openness. So I'm still playing with many of the ideas in my mind as to what may or may not be true from this book.

Yeah, this is pretty common, unfortunately, within the alien/UFO research community it seems.  Tying into what you pointed out - if somebody has seen/heard the evidence for negative abductions and malevolent entities yet, they still adhere to the same script about how positive and good it all is, at that point it's safe to assume they're operating under programming, versus naivete and gullibility.  When I first encountered the Dolores Cannon material I had wondered how she was "allowed" to be out there promoting her material for 30+ years and 13 books, and going strong....then I heard her repeat and reinforce the idea that there are *no negative abductions*....three or four times in her talk that we watched.   Then it clicked.    Like, Ah, got it now.  Now I understand what's going on here.

As far as the material you were reading taking a sudden turn with possible disinfo. coming through...yeah, I can imagine that must have been confusing when you got to it.  I think that when it comes to any of this material of this type, whether it be channeling, hypnotic insights, or just some writer's expose, we have to practice "untangling the knot."   Meaning, there's going to be good information and bits of truth, but often times going to be tangled up with some bunk.   Maybe it's deliberate on the part of the entities, maybe it's the author's own bias depending on the situation, who knows.   But usually it won't ALL be bunk, but it also won't all be great and wonderful truthful insights either.  (ESPECIALLY when it's channeled, or it involves entities coming through a hypnotic trance subject.)    I learned about this concept several years ago when I was given a hefty dose of information from somebody close to me that was this big tangled mix of truth and deception.  Sometimes within the same sentence or idea there was an even 50/50 mix of truth and disinformation all tangled up together.  The disinformation was tailored towards trying to steer me down a certain path.  It had a very particular goal in mind, as well as a common theme running through all of it.   I had to do a lot of untangling!   It's a practice that's useful for material of this type and a good habit to get into.  It's related to the concept of "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater."  None of it will be 100% truth...or 100% lies.   You have to do some sleuthing and untangling.   

Indeed!    Very true.

Well, let us all know what you think, it would be great to hear what you liked and/or anything that jumped out at you as possibly being incorrect.

I just read through "Keepers of the Garden" yesterday, my first Dolores Cannon read. Flew through it all in one day! I couldn't put it down.

I can't believe I didn't find Dolores's books sooner. "Keepers" is fantastic! I found the material very interesting. There were a lot of bits of information that filled in gaps that I had been wondering about for years. For some reason I really resonated with Phil, the hypnotee (is that a word? ) of the book, and his whole story. It brought many subconscious feelings of my own to the surface, feelings I've not felt in many years.

The one thing that left me confused was how Dolores could be so gullible as to believe the part about abductions being 100% helpful and non-interfering to people, even after the horrifying accounts related to her by Phil. I was also surprised at how cunningly deceptive the source was at relating the abduction phenomenon as being beneficial to people, and how casually they swore they were of the utmost positive intent. There seemed to be no change in tone from the session dealing with abduction, from the sessions in the previous chapters that supposedly came from the same source. This made me a bit leery of what I'd just read only pages before with so much interest and openness. So I'm still playing with many of the ideas in my mind as to what may or may not be true from this book.

However I think it was helpful that I already had a skeptical and discerning view of the abduction process in my consciousness due to reading the Ra and Cassiopaean channels, as well as Karla Turner's "Taken." If I was reading Dolores's books as a primer or starting point for metaphysical concepts, I could see how one might be easily taken in by the deceptiveness of certain sources she taps. What I have personally noticed is that once you have reached a level of discernment in your mind on such subjects, you can read anything very openly and still be discerning, because your skepticism which is already in place acts as an automatic filter to such deception.

Tonight I start reading Convoluted Universe Book 1. This one seems just as interesting, if not moreso. Can't wait to get into it.

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I was wondering if anyone has read Dolores's books or knows anything more about her.

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She began with the mystery school of the Essenes, Jesus, Prophecy, ET's, and then Cosmic information.

I found it powerful that Nostadamous called George Bush a tyrant before '92.  Who could have known at that time.  It wasn't even the same George Bush.  Still, it seems there are even more "Anti-Christ" personalities . . . well maybe.  I believe the bombing of Iraq in '03 may have been a turning point in manifestiing worldwide distruction, but what good is this now, but "limiting" human soul harvesting for the highest realms . . . those that supported the aggression . . . and still do.

Now maybe we can think again . . . and go back to the beginning Dolores Cannon spoke of . . . The mystery schools of purification.  Yes, it all begins with understanding love for all and the balance of male/female within.  A few people can acheive this balance within, and others through relationships and life.

I just love Noble Realms.  Reminds me of modern day Essenes with a liberal acceptance.  Maybe the members here will help many others reach the higher mansions a bit sooner.

Let us get back to vibrating to the fequencies of love.

we are NOT on the same timeline anymore.    I believe that what Nostradamus was seeing really did occur...............but something got changed, BIG TIME.  According to him we should already have LONG been embroiled in WWIII with every major country in the world involved, nuclear holocaust, environmental / climate annhilation, greenhouse effect, mass death and destruction, Popes dead left and right, and total Anti-Christ up the wazoo.  I mean, ALL out craziness.

I'm looking outside the window right now and I see blue sky, bright sun, and pleasant life ambling along.

hmm.

That aside, what's more interesting is the implications here.  Reading between the lines.  If we're not on the same timeline........................then what the hell happened?

hmmm....

Well, I was just reading "the book of life" and I read something and right away thought about this.

Voila!

Now the question is, What does the "future" hold? And what did we change it too?

I just got back from my lunch break where I was reading more of the book, and now that I'm more than halfway through it, all I have to say is...

we are NOT on the same timeline anymore.    I believe that what Nostradamus was seeing really did occur...............but something got changed, BIG TIME.  According to him we should already have LONG been embroiled in WWIII with every major country in the world involved, nuclear holocaust, environmental / climate annhilation, greenhouse effect, mass death and destruction, Popes dead left and right, and total Anti-Christ up the wazoo.  I mean, ALL out craziness.

I'm looking outside the window right now and I see blue sky, bright sun, and pleasant life ambling along.

hmm.

Over and over, his prophesies, as he clarified them for Dolores in 1986, did NOT come to pass.  His version of our reality is literally, unrecognizable to what we actually have going on.

People REALLY need to stop and take a moment to ponder this when they're relying on Nostradamus quatrains to predict the future, or are looking to compare them to events as they come to pass.

Even the quatrain about the hung jury election isn't exactly fitting.  There was a hung election in 2000...but Nostradamus said it would cause a civil war in this country, and the Whitehouse would be "empty", figuritively speaking, with only a temporary interim fill-in as the country got things sorted out.  None of that happened.   In "reality", Al Gore took Bush and Co. to court, hiring Boise, Schiller & Flexner to represent him in New York, a firm I temped with briefly down in Florida, oddly enough (and which I said no to when they were begging me to hire on permanently as a "legal assistant" or whatever, working 10 hour days at a job I hated even as a temp...no thanks.  BLECH.  puke.  But I digress.)     Al lost, Bush won, and Bush moved into 1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, and that was that.  The end.  I mean, none of that craziness that Nost. saw came to pass.

Then there's the matter of the Popes.

And the anti-christ.

NONE of what he forsaw in these areas has yet to happen.  The anti-christ should already be out there in full swing, according to Nost's timeline.   A Muslim middle eastern man of extreme power and charisma, worse than anything Hitler did, with diobolical plans to take over the world.

Well...where is he??  ????

Which means, all those people who are looking at the Nost. quatrains to analyze the current and upcoming Pope situation (coughcoughGoroAdachicoughcough haha) and "Anti-Christ" happenings maybe should take pause. 

He was seriously seeing some other timeline.   And if we're now on a different timeline, then his prophesies are null and void, peeps.  We're not occupying the same world that he was seeing.

That aside, what's more interesting is the implications here.  Reading between the lines.  If we're not on the same timeline........................then what the hell happened?

hmmm....

You know...I always hear this sort of thing, but have yet to ever encounter this in all my years of reincarnation / past life regression research.  I've read a lot of material on the subject, and different authors who do the regression therapy, but I don't recall ever reading about anybody who claimed to be some famous historical figure.  If anything, it's like Dolores said...they're usually something mundane.  Because that's what the history of the world has been mostly populated by:  Everyday people leading ordinary lives.   Dolores even jokes that sometimes a regression session is just so boring and mundane, like she's ready to go to sleep just listening to it.     So I'm curious why people say all this famous people claims are going on.....I guess somebody out there must be making those claims....but again, I've never read of one, let alone "so many."  !  hm.   

Good points... you're right, this does seem to be the case, and is conveyed in the book.

The thing that came out in the book is that many quatrains were not just about one single event.  Many were in fact two, sometimes three separate but very similar events all rolled into one.  This would probably be the case with much of the material relating to Middle East political / war happenings.  So much of what goes on in the Middle East is just like this huge, repetitive cycle that never ends.  Just on and on, for thousands of years.  Neverending issues between the Jews and everybody else, endless fighting and warring over that area of the world.  It's ridiculous.   In the book Nostradamus did point out the time is like a spiral - and because of this, history repeats itself as we loop back around again and again.  So the quatrain you highlighted could in fact apply to several situations.

And cool story, Lipstick Mystic!   And nice summary of time through the densities, whywhywhy.

http://sacred-texts.com/nos/cen3eng.htm

It's possible, of course, to read into these things, but this one reminded me strongly of the recent rise to power of Hamas.