1) When standing in front of a mirror, dissatisfied with what you see, have you ever been successful at reaching into and manipulating that reflection in order to change it into what you would prefer to see?

2) Am I really awake/aware, or am I just dreaming that I am?

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Jen, it's not that I don't "get down" with that kind of jive, but it's my experience that to make changes in global-physical matters such as these, a little more action is necessary to bring about change than simply focusing will in a certain direction.  In the general life of one's self, yes, it holds up.  But if your theory were completely true, none of this would have happened in the first place -- because I absolutely did not will this to happen.

Well, how much is it impacting you directly?  Not much, I'd bet.
You still have many freedoms. 

It's not about that, it's just a change of focus...manifesting the kind of world you want from within.  See this perhaps:http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=1818

OK, best of luck with whatever direction you take.

I don't know why anyone ever thought that I was trying to blame David for the inaction of other people, I'm merely pointing out that David has found a nice little niche audience to write for, and that his desire to be proven right and redeemed in the eyes of the British public has now taken over his desire for doing anything else.

Man, don't sweat those people.  It was perfectly clear in your original post.  What happened was, people read what they wanted to read, as they always do.  The post was completely tactful, respectful, and correct IMO.  Just keep doing what you seem to do best and don't waste your time defending yourself to the easily offended.

P+L

[edit - to Jen]
Jen, it's not that I don't "get down" with that kind of jive, but it's my experience that to make changes in global-physical matters such as these, a little more action is necessary to bring about change than simply focusing will in a certain direction.  In the general life of one's self, yes, it holds up.  But if your theory were completely true, none of this would have happened in the first place -- because I absolutely did not will this to happen.

Bottom line, I'm pretty sure some real action is going to be necessary, rather than just refusing to accept the reality of it all, or falsely believing that I can will it away.

Anyway I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I'll have to separate myself from it one way or the other.  I'm already looking for options.  So that appears to be the answer to #3 above.  Those of us who can not/will not deal with it, will simply have to remove ourselves.

In light of the recent Open Letter to Icke, where everyone has blamed him for not having many solutions and in the 4 page long replies to this letter there were no solutions for any of this except maybe to wait for the other generations to "awaken". Why don't we all just think of solutions and ways to "enlightenment" and ways to help others and other solutions and post them here? Why should we criticize icke for what none of us have done?

Hmmmn. I don't recall blaming anything on David. What I do recall is offering my opinion that - despite the efforts of David and others like him - people aren't actually doing anything at all to effect change within themselves or within the world at large. As for me, I do have my own solutions, some of which are listed in my final posting on that thread. I don't know why anyone ever thought that I was trying to blame David for the inaction of other people, I'm merely pointing out that David has found a nice little niche audience to write for, and that his desire to be proven right and redeemed in the eyes of the British public has now taken over his desire for doing anything else.

What Story Waters piece is that, Jen?

Hi Sowelu, here you go: http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=2587

From the Story Waters piece:

Focus on what you want, not on what you don't want.  We attract what we are vibrating, so, when you focus on what you don't want, you are attracting it to you as much as when you are focusing on what you do want.  So, in order to disconnect from what you don't want, disconnect from talking/thinking/etc. about it, and put your energies where they will do some good for you.

Well forgive me if I sound harsh here, but I was referring to things other than spiritual, and to me what you have said is a matter of the spirit.  You are correct that it works on a personal level and to some extent -- but my focusing on wanting a walmart with a clear exit, and airports clear of armed military, is *very* unlikely to change those situations.  This is one of the main reasons I'm so frustrated with Icke at the moment. 

YES, will is effective in ones own life.  But we are talking about a situation here shared among the realities of many. For all of us willing this world to be a better place, and for the police state to just go away, it sure doesn't seem to be doing much.

3) What the rest of us ( the "aware", or the "risen" as I like to say wink ) can do to remove ourselves from this HELL until either 1) or 2) have reached their desired goals.  In other words -- I don't want to stay in the fire.  I don't want/need officers verifying the contents of my cart when I leave Wal-Mart.  I don't want/need military forces with guns and latex gloves (!) scrutinizing me in the airport.  I don't want/need the gestapo in my life.  I don't want/need the endless laws and regulations that have enslaved us over the years.  What can a person such as myself (and yourself!) do to disconnect from this madness.  I don't mean SPIRITUALLY.  I consider that part of the personal struggle as noted above.  But here I'm talking about actually disconnecting and not having anything to do with this "society".  It would be all-too-simple if there were somewhere for us to go which didn't resemble this system, but that place doesn't exist, hence this area #3 that needs to be explored.

Focus on what you want, not on what you don't want.  We attract what we are vibrating, so, when you focus on what you don't want, you are attracting it to you as much as when you are focusing on what you do want.  So, in order to disconnect from what you don't want, disconnect from talking/thinking/etc. about it, and put your energies where they will do some good for you.

Very good advice.  All of these are part of the personal struggle, and each of us should certainly be striving to work on each of these areas regardless of our environment.

So those are part of the *personal* struggle.  But here are some parts of the more "global" struggle that I believe should be looked into further:

1) Waking / educating others (as mentioned above in other posts) -- Yes, we need a long-term plan in place to make the general population (lol) aware of the situation and what they need to be doing.  Alex, Icke, and co. have scratched the surface of this -- and hopefully more people will come along to further this area.  This addresses what to do given that we a) must wait for the majority to awaken and b) really have time to wait for them.  I do not think either a or b are true, but no matter what I think, this area still should be covered and treated as a distinct possibility.

2) Forming and having a plan in place (as montalk mentioned somewhere) for what to do if the PTB "slip" -- for whatever reason -- whether they stumble themselves, or whether they are made to stumble by some external cause.  This plan should be addressed along these lines:  "ok, they fell on their face for a minute, what can we do to take advantage of this and use it to our advantage?"

3) What the rest of us ( the "aware", or the "risen" as I like to say ) can do to remove ourselves from this HELL until either 1) or 2) have reached their desired goals.  In other words -- I don't want to stay in the fire.  I don't want/need officers verifying the contents of my cart when I leave Wal-Mart.  I don't want/need military forces with guns and latex gloves (!) scrutinizing me in the airport.  I don't want/need the gestapo in my life.  I don't want/need the endless laws and regulations that have enslaved us over the years.  What can a person such as myself (and yourself!) do to disconnect from this madness.  I don't mean SPIRITUALLY.  I consider that part of the personal struggle as noted above.  But here I'm talking about actually disconnecting and not having anything to do with this "society".  It would be all-too-simple if there were somewhere for us to go which didn't resemble this system, but that place doesn't exist, hence this area #3 that needs to be explored.

Ok, I could write a book just outlining the areas that need to be filled in.  But I'll stop for now and kindly ask for all of your input/concerns/answers.

Re the 'external problems/external solutions' part, however, if we accept that it's all reflections of our own energies, as per the Story Waters piece (great stuff!!) then we can only change the reflection from within. I think you realize this yourself, perhaps you included that
as a 'nod' to the consensus understanding of how to implement solutions.  I think Icke is aware of this too, but he may need to emphasize that more in his work.

I was reading something last night about how we as a civilization are very close to encountering and interacting with other worlds, but in order to be ready for that, we must first resolve our issues within ourselves.  Move beyond our fears, the strife within ourselves and with 'others', etc.  And this is one of the reasons for all the stuff that's coming up for us at this time, why our planet is in such chaos,
especially in areas where the energies are very inflexible, such as the Middle East.  Ultimately it's about resisting the groundswell of change, the Wave spoken of by the C's and others.  But, there are many people who are ready for this, and who are working, as are most of the members of NR, on clearing their issues and  joining their energies for positive change.  And the good news is that positive energy is integrative and thus is exponential in its effects. Ten people working together for constructive change can balance a thousand who are focused on destruction.

In short:  we've got the power--let's go for it, team! 

1)  How to change the world and begin to wake people up.
2)  How to remove the systems of control
3)  How to break the perpetual cycles of fear.

The above and many more are in the category that Icke discusses.  They are external problems, and thus need external solutions.  By "external" I mean they are problems faced by other individuals...for example to "wake people up"; this means you have to get into other peoples heads - and help them think for themselves...or alternatively tell them what you believe they should be thinking.  So - these solutions require a new system or process to be put in motion that is separate from the individual who is focusing the problem.  And that system / solution needs to help people that again are separate from the individual that puts such a system in motion.

This to me - is something that is very difficult; probably near impossible until there are enough people to drive such a movement.  So in essence the end result means - yes, we have to "wait" until the time is right and the people are ready.  And that may well take a number of generations before it happens.  In the mean time all we could do is take baby steps toward the “bigger picture".  It means an agenda needs to be set up – and that agenda would require more and more people within it all working toward the same goal.  This to me sounds like the makings of another Matrix.

But then there is a second category - one that is far more useful, intuitive and one that we can all work toward:

1)  How do we / I unplug from the system?
2)  What can we / I do, in order to increase my awareness of reality and life?
3) How do we / I learn to face my fears and break away from them?

Naturally there are many other questions that could be put in this category.  This category is far more useful to us as individuals because it is internal.  It requires us to change ourselves and our own way of being, rather than shouting at the world and demanding it to change.

So what can we do here?  Well there are lots of things we can do - but first if we want to look at the concept then we should break it down into further sub-sections.

1)  Spiritual Development
2)  Physical Development
3)  "Life" Developments (i.e. how to make a living etc.)

As this is about internal solutions than it means we need to give personal examples – so I will list a little of what I have already done toward this end – as well as some of what I plan to do in the future.  Also – remember it isn’t always important what you are doing – rather it is important that you are doing something.

So in the above categories:

1)    Spiritual Development
a)    Meditating regularly
b)    Watching and logging dreams – this is very important to gain a better internal dialogue with your self.
c)    Learning to accept that I am the originator of all emotional "problems" I have with other people.
d)    Understanding the world, people and relationships in terms of energy.

So far I have made a lot of progress along this path, and it has literally changed my whole outlook on life.  Things seem to work differently now.

2)    Physical Development
a)    Taking better care of myself physically
b)    Eating better quality foods – cutting out nearly all junk food.
c)    Drinking more water and cutting right back on the fizzy drinks.
d)    Getting out in nature more, exercising (not fitness necessarily but rather more natural things such as a lot of walking, swimming etc).

I noticed changes almost within a week of doing these and other things.  It brings your entire awareness more down to earth and generates a whole lot more energy.

3)    "Life" Developments
a)    Giving up my full-time job.
b)    Getting rid of the mortgage and paying off as many debts as I could.
c)    Setting up my own business to generate my own income.
d)    Setting up small "projects" that earn me small sums of money.
e)    Cutting back on the things I don’t "need".
f)    Reducing my costs of living by learning what is important in life and what is just unnecessary nonsense.
g)    Spreading information out to others – so that they can learn how to help themselves.

This third section is the one that is far more difficult to deal with.  Giving up my job without another to go to and trusting that I would be okay took quite an effort (and not living of the state i.e. no state handouts etc.)   Also getting rid of the mortgage was a big emotional hurdle.  We are conditioned into believing we need to own our own property through fear that we need to "retire" into safe and good conditions.  So that was quite a big step too.

Next up are a few of the steps I want to take.

“¢    Grow some of my own food.
“¢    Learn how to collect and store my own water.
“¢    Find alternatives to anything that requires "money".  i.e. can I make the thing myself, do I really need it, do I know someone that will help me in exchange for my own services?
“¢    Begin networking with other like minded people.  Both on and off the Internet.

I firmly believe that we cannot change the world until we change ourselves.  Those that feel they can change the world first – seem to me, to be like children crying out to their parent to fix things for them.

Once we have learnt a degree of self-reliance and self-understanding we are at the point where we can begin to work with other like minded people.  From this a network will grow –  an entire new community that is independent from the current system.

Solutions need not be about saving the world or saving other people.  First you can’t help people that won’t help themselves (that’s one of the reasons the world is in the mess it is in).  All you can do is give them enough information to help them find the door – they are the ones that have to walk though it.  Ultimately they have to learn how to live their own lives rather than being reliant upon the system or upon others.

Once you learn how to look after yourself and once you find others that can do the same – a whole new world will begin to be born, and when the current system falls, it may have an impact on us, but it won’t destroy us.

I see this new community and world developing step by step each day – and it is very encouraging.

Yes I understand he has to make a livin', and personally I can't say whether or not solutions were ever part of his plan, his solutions wouldn't be ours IMO anyway.
Due credit for making us look in that direction.....

I did read Aethah's post- it is THE most profound one I have seen here yet.