I got rid of my TV years ago, I rarely go to movies, but I have people foisting DVDs on me all the time like it is a big gift and I am deprived. Everyone is collecting hundreds of DVDs, constantly burning them, trading them. creating a library etc. Most of the movies now are these kind of hell realm creations, either that or romantic fantasies that don't make any sense and cause more splitting. I recently borrowed Mr. and Mrs. Smith, with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie and it was a joke-they are supposed to be hard core, high paid assasins, which they would have to be psychopaths to actually be, but then they are all romantic and loyal to the death to each other taking on all the big esbionage agencies together to the death if necessary. This sends a confusing and sick message to people that you can be all romantic and loving in a personal relationship, but a cold-blooded psychopathic killer in your work-lala

Negative forces are actually very stupid because a slight amount of simplicity reveals what they have in their hearts (they are sick!).

For one thing I know I've been here before. Its just something I've known through and through since I was little. My family and their friends called me an old soul. I often look at the behavior of people in the world and wonder how and why they behave and think the way they do. Its just foreign to me a lot of the time, and I truly feel that my soul has experienced many varied situations over the millenia, so its almost like I'm just sitting back and watching life happen around me with bemusement as people scuttle around frantically in fear of death.

I won't deny we can change some of what's coming. But we are not omnipotent. This is going to be a battle-as my profile quote indicates. We are soldiers and have probably fought this battle before

I will look more deeply into what you said about fatalism being something they want us to believe in. I will really think about it, put on my heart chakra thinking cap so to speak

Yes, same for me, I will be thinking about something, or wondering about something and the next time I open NR it will be addressed in the first thing that I see. The Eraserhead discussion is older, but I resurrected it when I read through it recently and then asked some questions. I saw the movie probably 20 years ago, and it made a huge impact on me for the few minutes that I allowed myself to watch it. It is a nightmare that I do not want to dream in.

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This is what "they" want you to feel like. I was heavily into the occult and New Age metaphysics for many years without even realizing it. I was a professional Tarot reader and I was very good at it and in demand. The things that I have learned on NR have changed my life because I realized part of the New Age conspiricay, which is directed by the dark side, it to brainwash people that because we are just one big blob of consciousness separated by different bodies it doesn't matter what happens to us or our individual souls. This is a perverted view of karma. Also all of the occult and religious systems want to keep us on the treadmill of false spirituality because the disincarnate beings that they serve feed off of the enengy-this is the basic Tom, montalk theory, which to my experience seems true. Druid's recapitulations of Steiner's work plus integrating it with montalk's matrix analysis have led me to this conclusion based on my own experiences. Fatalism is part of occult indoctrination because the STS does not want humans to have connection to their inviolable human souls. Our souls are in danger, not just right now while we are living, but when we die and beyond. I want to tend to my soul now and try and get sovereinity over it now so I don't have to be on the merry-go-round of false beings for eternity. I don't think there is any escape from the physical negative magnetism that this planet and its inhavitants are going through and will continue to go through, the main thing is not being entranced by its falseness and to keep safe from it for as long as possible-lala

Anyway...David Lynch is an initiate. There's no question in my mind he is high level. Most certainly a mason and probably more than that. I recently heard on RedIce radio an interview which discussed how Stanley Kubrick [also an initiate] and Lynch were friends. Kubrick wanted to know how Lynch made the 'baby' in Eraserhead and Lynch wouldn't tell him.

I'm pretty wary of the New Age movement. I don't think its all goodness and light myself. I also worry when people use the term 'illuminated' to describe heightened spiritual awareness -for obvious reasons. Personally I think there's an Overmind and we are fragments of its consciousness. As for where we're headed I also happen to be somewhat of a fatalist. I think there's an element of chance in the course of our universe that we don't have control over.

Some things we can alter. Some we can't. I have a feeling that the fate of humanity is set out already. Whatever's coming at this point can't really be stopped. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

belljar saw:
'new agers that believe in ascension like Christians believe in rapture that they are physically leaving this place'.

I think that a change in consciousness is coming, but for many it wil be entrapment in elemental karmic-patterns (I mean by that :when one's will and ego fall under the fatalistic force of habits and karmically-imprinted patterns). For some others, they may graduate to the rank of STS master of illusion, one the way to black magick. Sadly, it is only a minority that will be able to use this wave coming as a step forward/higher on the great Stairs of ascension. Sink or swim, but it's not a question of psi abilities, its a question of inner development of the thinking faculty in creating ideas (from the other side, it will be a power of thought over matter, not the same as clairvoyance) but above all, it's a question of moral quality of the soul that must permeate thinking, through and through with feeling and will.

I believe that you are right, it seems like quantum change is happening now though, but possibly this is because we have been exposed to so many New Age belief systems, healing techniques and mind-altering instigations. Possibly the New Age BS was a catalyst for me and now I need to continue busting through, but gosh, Ascension was at least a hopeful fantasy in many ways where we were constructing a New Earth or New Earth Star on another plane that we could go to when this Earth gets totally overrun by STS and becomes a phantom earth plane. I guess we really do all have to hang together or we will hang...-lala

Yes, this is the reason I believe that so many people have "Environmental Illness" "sick building syndrom" and other types of EI, there are toxic factors in building materials, but also it is the psychic and emotional component of these institutions and buildings that is causing the sickness, too. I know that for myself this is true. I cannot stand to go into most of these establishments anymore, especially big buying club stores like Costco and Sams, the electronic stimulation, subliminal programming and psychic atmosphere literally makes me ill.

druid wrote on page 2:

I just read this thread for the first time, and I did a search for Ascension - so I am wondering, if ascension considered part of NWO fantasy hoax, is it a Luciferian manufactured fantasy to keep us from going forward spiritually. There do seem to be DNA changes taking place, like the Ascension spirituality people say, I have had a lot of changes to my body and perceptual field in the last year, and also I have had more of a clear sense of when disincarnate beings are around my energy field, wheter STS or STO, so can someone direct me to another thread where you have already discussed this or if not...

I couldn't even stand the first ten minutes of Eraserhead. I pretended to fall asleep so I wouldn't actually have to look at it, because all of the people I was with thought it was a great movie.-lala

You are throwing so many compliments at me that I feel shy. Don't overestimate me, I'm not risking my life by divulging this. We are in Revelation times, so the truth is coming out anyway, I just try to surf the wave of Revelation.

I also have to concentrate my mind when I read other people's posts. Sometimes their language is foreign to me.

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Montalk is THE ONE you should be complimenting on this forum for taking the risk of keeping up this website and forum!

Greetings Montalk! Keep up the good work! We are backing you up for you to pursue your great work for years and give people like me the opportunity to network with other like-minded researchers!

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Now, Zenden, you say "abraham = a brahmin", and this is right. Many learned people discovered this obvious link between Levites and Brahmins, more than 50 years ago, esotericists like the French René Guénon for instance.

I will look up this website link you suggest. This weekend, promised. So many people talked to me about Michael Tsarion, so I should get into it now.  (Maybe it was you who talked to me about him about two months ago?).

druid--this info is right up ur alley, and also i have wanted to say something to u and have felt bad about it for WEEKS

it was really brave of you, and quite risky for u, to have shared that info with us about the monk at  the monastery that knew alot of secrets and told u and ur friend about them, all quite serendipitously.  i wanted to say that that was very interesting, and must have been very scary.  thanks for sharing that and it struck me when i read it that u were too at risk that nite, in those days, and that was really an adventure and a half.  wow

i know u said it helped to catapult u on "ur road" and i can certainly see why.  thanks for sharing that again, really almost 007 stuff.  u really are a learned hard-working scholar and a true student of the esoteric at its finest.  i really have to think when i read ur posts and concentrate.  u know every detail and its amazing.

so i digressed there a minute, but the info on this site actually could follow on another thread i saw on general discussion a few minutes ago

i think u will be very busy there for awhile, theres massive info, pics, illustrations

unreal.  links jesuits with the cult of aton, pure luceriferian, using the jews as scapegoats says the orig jews r from india (abraham = a brahmin and that really resonates so check that out)  and that ahkenaton was really moses and thutmosis III was really isaac.  he doesnt like the KT tho and falls for the ruse that they were/are bad (and i disagree, they were used and false fronted).  he also says the celts/druids were really the jews --the real/first aryans (and theres alot on who the jews really are and that the scottish are really jewish) ...  there r alot of connections and he goes down many a road.  the whole deal is sun= son worship  THE DARK SIDE OF LIGHT.  u will learn some more stuff there that really fits and he has alot of movies on u tube u may wanna check out too.  he really nails it as to who the enemy is == all the dark brothers and their "angles'  and interestingly, i just read today that "angles" which thoth warns against in the emerald tablets, which he says r the trapping places of the dark brothers, are MAIN TENANTS of blavatsky and alice bailey and the THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY---tadah==the f'in THEOCRATS of course, (i should post that on angles, maybe) anyway u will see from this site how the cult of aton is all about the theocrats and here we go again.  totally connected here too, nuthin new but right there of course.  even says "there were no wars of measure with primitive pppls until religion/monotheism was introduced into the world.  see how that plays in with elementals, gods and everybody wants to be the biggest theocrat.  man oh man, when we hooked a;ll this up (with vatican of course and more...all can be seen here at this site so nicely illustrated) WE REALLY ARE ON TO SOMETHING and we have narrowed it down so nicely.  money power religion church and state==all plays right into theocracy.  do not go to that damn white light im tellin ya.  talk but dont touch...may be the best advice ever, from WIH.  its ALL in that!

http://www.taroscopes.com/astro-theolog … 20of%20sol

i hope that works up there.  its under "astro-theology"  anyway

I've checked out the forum a bit, I'll look into more of it later, thanks for the hook ups! (link the world, man!) ^_^ </end cheese>

I have been reading about this lesser known connexion for only three weeks and I was astonished at my own ignorance of this Jesuit connexion.  Steiner talked about this many many times. It was right there in my face all along and I oversaw it for so long!