I had more clear pics of chemtrails but i deleted them by accident,i will take more shots when i get the chance.

Take care everyone and keep fighting the NWO!

b0g

Contrails seem to be the "normal" emissions from jets. They're typically thin and begin to fade/disappear quickly, from the end [farther away from the jet].

Chemtrails, on the other hand, are not always thin; they have irregular shapes or lines, and some even make "patterns"; they are emitted from the jets, but these trails DO NOT fade quickly at all, sometimes they're up there for many minutes, even hours after the jet's long passed out of sight. I've spent enuff hours outside on my deck, gardening, reading, writing, and just chilling... to know.

It's also easy to spot the difference between con and chem trails when both are visible. The comparison is strikingly and abundantly clear.

I saw one the other day, a jet whose trail was fading immediately behind/close to it; but, get this, not fading near the end. It was most unusual. Definitely chemtrail, imo.

But, the oddest one my hub and I saw was last fall, a jet (close enuff to look like a commercial jet, but not close enuff to read the markings) in ascent mode with streams of dark, thick, black trails (smoke?) coming from it. At first we both thought it was on fire, in trouble. We stared in amazement for a few minutes, fully expecting it to explode or crash. It didn't fortunately. It continued on, higher and eastward, till out of sight, but those black (not brown, or even grey) trails stayed there, not fading. We watched for about 15 minutes before we continued on our way.

I typically notice them on clear days. When it's cloudy, it's difficult for me to distinguish contrails from chemtrails. Also have seen the blatant criss-cross or intersecting "patterns" they make. And on some days, it looks like freakin' rush-hour in the skies with half a dozen jets criss-crossing within minutes of each other. Typically, the next day(s), the weather is cloudy, overcast, and/or wet.

My wacky theory?  They're tampering with the weather, and/or intentionally blocking out the sun.

On another note: did anyone besides me notice the moon last night, specifically the perfectly formed square-armed cross emanating from it? Versus a halo/circle or roundish aura which I usually see. Caught it around 3 a.m. and it freaked me out. I kid you not. I went to several windows, cleaned my eyeglasses, and all views were the same. It was a friggin' "cross" emanating from the moon. I'm not a Christian, or into the Rapture or anything. Good thing. I mighta' thought that it was a happening!

[Hey, didn't a lake disappear in Russia last night?   

http://reuters.iwon.com//article/200505 … E-DC.html]

Btw, I don't take drugs, none. And don't drink heavily, don't ever get drunk. Was fully awake. Couldn't sleep, was watching re-runs on tv, and suddenly felt very dense/heavy inside; turned around and saw that moon. I swear it's beginning to "transmit messages". Yup, that's wacko, I know. But, the moon's been "relating" to me (and not me to it, btw) since December 17, 2003. 3 times to be exact. Final time was a clear, accurate, precog vision of the Tsunami, just 10 days before it occurred. Wrote about that disturbing incident in Etemenanki forum, so it's been documented and read by others.

So, whenever Montalk or others talk about the moon, I listen and nod my head. I grok completely what he's saying. And all these chemtrails, no matter how much they bother me, it pales in comparison to what the other signs in the skies seem to be revealing.

I've seen it slightly in KW (Kitchener-Waterloo), but nothing like here. Though we can go days without seeing chemtrails, I have literally counted 5 "jets" flying at one time and 13 chemtrails in the sky one morning and spraying again later on in the evening. Some banking at impossible (in my mind, of course I've never flown in a military jet)90 degree angles (wish I caught a picture) or even at other angles.

>>I would still like to know what quantifies "heavy" chemtrail spraying.

come to phoenix, and youll know

Or Toronto, Canada, too. Your own eyes will see, and it will still be difficult to fathom.

come to phoenix, and youll know

As for the headaches and fatigue and stuff, TPTB would rather keep things under the radar so to speak, and do things that will affect people with "weaknesses" already, respiratory(asthma, COPD) and circulation(headaches and fatigue) as opposed to do something to the water system. Affect the water system and you get something that "illnesses" can definitively be traced back to and it would affect a larger population base than they want to.

Just my opinion.

I would still like to know what quantifies "heavy" chemtrail spraying.

Clouds are wonderful and magical features of our reality. They materialise and vanish at will, they behave totally unpredictably and they give form to images from deep within our subconcious.  I do not believe there is any reason to be suspicious of such wonderful gifts, even if the cause is man made.

When it comes to the effects many people associate with the supposed chemicals sprayed from planes, it seems to me that symptoms such as headaches and fatigue especially are mostly caused by exposure to pollution in general.  If agencies wanted to affect a population en masse it seems that the local water treatment plant would be the best place to go.  In fact isn't it odd that many people get sick because of drinking the water in foreign countries?  Mixing different mind altering substances will often do that.

Cray

Saracen wrote:

For those of you who asked about the chembusters.....I actually have one and they do work....up to a point. They can be overwhelmed by heavy spraying temporarily. There is also a boatload of "baggage" that goes with it if you join one of the chembuster boards. I feel the chembuster was the "kernel of truth" that set you up for a bunch of lies to follow.

Yes, I agree totally with this. The basic orgonite devices are based on actual orgone principles - mix two media, organic and inorganic, and orgone (lifeforce) energy is generated. Orgonite in itself is just metal shavings of BB's cast in an epoxy resin base, enough to produce orgone. Crystals are added to supposedly amplify this and transform stale orgone into fresh orgone. Perhaps so, but I haven't been able to confirm that quartz crystals do this. Nevertheless, these devices only work up to a point like you said. Starting with this factual base, I sense there's a lot of paranoia and mind games piled on top of it.

The orgonite forum was 10% research and 90% psychosis in my opinion, haha. There were matrix agents on the board keeping things nice and controlled and scary. There were fluffy people who weren't very discerning. And there were numerous ones who believed they were on the right track because they were seeing shadow agents, black helicopters, etc... Well of course. Anytime you become neurotic and paranoid, hyperdimensional forces and their legions jump in for a feast, sending you the scary thing that drive you even deeper into fear. Well, glad I didn't stick around at that forum too long. NR is way saner, thanks to the stable and rational members we have

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Lastly, in my experience, colloidal silver has done wonders to keep me from ever getting sick from chemtrails or anything else, really. In college, I remember pretty much my whole dorm floor getting sick simultaneously a few days after heavy spraying. I stayed well 'cause I was consuming colloidal silver at the time. This happened repeatedly throughout several semesters, so I'm convinced colloidal silver helps.

I do have a Don Croft Zapper which has worked well with my sisters sinusitus and my parents Flu, though i cannot say the added mobius coil orgone, neo mag and crystal make it than better than a normal zapper.
It would be interesting to see how well a zapper would have worked after that spraying.

I will still keep colloidal  silver and H2O2 as well though for those outbreaks.

i mean literally dozens in any eyefull of sky.

later in the day, after chem trail spraying; you will notice that you can STILL see the chemtrails, they look like this silky, web-like wannabe cloud that hangs REAL LOW.

do any of you have advice for taking pictures of the chem trails, regarding the over-exposing sun ?

ive also noticed that sometimes 'they' will try and hide/disguise the chem trails by spraying them along REAL clouds.

anyways, thanks for the warm welcome!

Noticed out here in SoCal coming home from night shift there was at least a half a dozen or more chem trails in a haphazard pattern, making the morn. sky kinda ugly!  Currently the sky is so smogy , no semblance of blue is visible-looks pearl grey.  Really wanted to star gaze tonight, but hopefully it'll get clear enough to see something later on. 

Noticed quite a few of my patients with dry hacking coughs for the past few weeks as well. Guess chem trail sruff is on the rise again, noticed more so the past 3-4days .