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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I too love haikus<br />good thoughts packaged in few words<br />how bout haiku thread?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jen]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-12-22T19:34:03Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I prefer Haiku<br />structure forces clarity<br />keeps my meaning clear</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-12-22T19:25:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: A few of my poems, thought I'd share and looking for opinions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The soles of feet touch the ground<br />soil, soft matter mother of foundation<br />she has many faces<br />smiling in a spring sun rayed sky <br />Angst in the wind and thunder<br />she contains all <br />Spirit charged<br />in an timeless and infinite <br />connection to the oversoul</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Voodoo]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-12-22T06:41:04Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>They are seperate poems. I appreciate the editing techniques. Dream I dig that piece. I just like to elaborate I suppose sometimes I think of it as a poem / story at mixed into one but these are all excellent suggestions and points. One day I probably will go back on them and condense them / edit. Keep on posting some work I enjoy these <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" />.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-10-22T01:52:08Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: A few of my poems, thought I'd share and looking for opinions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>My first poem, written at age 8.&nbsp; Even then I was aware of being a wanderer, stalked by the predator:</p><p>JUNGLE</p><p>Dimly aware of approaching shadows,<br />wandering on, on, on,</p><p>lost in the stillness of the shadows,<br />wanderer, beware!</p><p>Swinging branches, trembling water,<br />hidden fears lurk there.</p><p>Wanderer, go back, go back<br />to the place from whence you come.</p><p>Many, many wanderers<br />lie already in the tomb.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jen]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-10-21T23:31:46Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Jack Strat wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>&quot;If you simplify your English, you are freed from the worst follies of orthodoxy. You cannot speak any of<br />the necessary dialects, and when you make a stupid remark its stupidity will be obvious, even to yourself.<br />Political language...is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance<br />of solidity to pure wind. One cannot change this all in a moment, but one can at least change one&#039;s own<br />habits, and from time to time one can even, if one jeers loudly enough, send some worn-out and useless<br />phrase...into the dustbin where it belongs.&quot;</p></blockquote></div><p>Jack, thanks for George Orwell&#039;s Rules, I saved them.&nbsp; Words to live by...</p><p>Reminds me of what one&nbsp; Â¸f the authors of The Elements of Style (great book on writing) said to his class:&nbsp; &quot;Omit unnecessary words!&nbsp; Omit unnecessary words!&nbsp; Omit unnecessary words!&quot;&nbsp; <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jen]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-10-21T23:20:18Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: A few of my poems, thought I'd share and looking for opinions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>here&#039;s something relevant to any discussion of writing (i TRY to keep them in mind when i write).&nbsp; many of you know these, but i hadn&#039;t seen the last part (after the #d rules) before visiting&nbsp; &nbsp;<a href="http://www.williamgibsonbooks.com/">http://www.williamgibsonbooks.com/</a></p><br /><p>GEORGE ORWELL&#039;S SIX RULES</p><p>1. Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.</p><p>2. Never use a long word where a short one will do.</p><p>3. If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.</p><p>4. Never use the passive where you can use the active.</p><p>5. Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.</p><p>6. Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.</p><p>&quot;If you simplify your English, you are freed from the worst follies of orthodoxy. You cannot speak any of<br />the necessary dialects, and when you make a stupid remark its stupidity will be obvious, even to yourself.<br />Political language...is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance<br />of solidity to pure wind. One cannot change this all in a moment, but one can at least change one&#039;s own<br />habits, and from time to time one can even, if one jeers loudly enough, send some worn-out and useless<br />phrase...into the dustbin where it belongs.&quot;</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jack Strat]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-10-21T22:14:45Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I just felt your work could benefit by some editing with economy of language in mind. Because poetry has a large subjective aspect, I used an example from screenplays, thinking the principle would be easier to see.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-10-21T22:09:21Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Trodding 300 East, Salt Lake City,<br />pea-colored leaves<br />crunching underfoot,<br />the air: electric, ready to receive<br />a free idea, susurrating into ears<br />the truth screaking through the solar cross<br />I swish into <br />brainwaves of Bob Dylan<br />asking me, &quot;How Does It Feel?&quot;<br />and I answer with swinging arms<br />and nodding &quot;oh yes&quot; to the Dylan-ether,<br />struck by the unstruck sounds<br />ablaze in my atmosphere today,<br />reminding me of Sanskrit: &quot;anahata:&quot; ...heart.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-10-21T21:41:17Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Jimpossible I kinda see what you mean ... when I write its really my own kinda thing not a set style and my poems are usually written very fast i just write it how it comes out. You dont need to refund like i said critique is always welcome.. im just wondering how you see it as crammed in when you use an example from movie dialogue it doesnt match up the same way.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-10-21T20:41:23Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: A few of my poems, thought I'd share and looking for opinions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy how the poem encompasses big ideas, but comes to rest on a single, sensation of wind.&nbsp; I like idea-poems, but they can be difficult to render real to the body.&nbsp; </p><p>You&#039;ve got an assortment of senes-images in there, though.&nbsp; </p><p>I like how you switch from the sea to avalanches...Maybe hearing the avalanches and sea and mountains might be good, too.&nbsp; But I like it as is.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-10-21T20:16:20Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: A few of my poems, thought I'd share and looking for opinions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>There&#039;s an expression used often in screenwriting and frequently in prose, &quot;on the nose&quot;, as in &quot;You&#039;re dialog is &#039;on the nose&#039;.&quot; It&#039;s a quick way of saying that you tried to cram a lot of exposition into dialog (or occassionally description) and you ended up with stilted unrealistic dialog.</p><p>Ex.:</p><p>EXT. STREET, CORNER OF BRICK BLDG - DAY</p><p>Jack and Harvey stand near the edge of the building corner. Many gunshots are heard and several chip the bricks at the corner causing the detectives to duck and crouch.</p><p>JACK<br />We&#039;ve got to get to that black Subaru SUV parked on the left halfway up the street!</p><p>HARVEY<br />Yea, the bomb will go off in thirty seconds killing everyone in the city!</p><br /><p>No one talks like that and it&#039;s not believable when you see and hear it in a movie. Believe it or not, the Star Wars dialog suffers from this sort of thing. You just don&#039;t notice it as much because of all the FX and the power of the archetypal story.</p><p>This can also be found in some prose but, unless you&#039;re an editor, Lit prof, or are reading on a tyro site like zoetrope, you&#039;re not likely to see it.</p><p>Most modern poetry is about economy of language. It can evoke powerful images and emotions with a very few but carefully crafted words. The sublety of good poetry sometimes leads to a criticism of vagueness. A good poet blows off those unwarranted critics.</p><p>Classic poetry usually tells a story like the Iliad, the Odyssey, or the Aeneid. Modern types of this sort of poetry are usually found in songs and ballads, like Gordon Lightfoot&#039;s &#039;The Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald&#039;. </p><p>Anyway, just a few thoughts, for what it&#039;s worth. If you think I&#039;m off base, then I&#039;ll cheerfully refund what you paid for this.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-10-21T20:15:11Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I like the way what you suggested flows. It was meant to be drawn out but I like the beat it gets when its written like that gives it a whole new feel.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-10-21T19:48:52Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Voodoo wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The sun is shining down on us tonight<br />Baby were always on the run <br />Running into the sun bursting with the clouds <br />In the most beautiful of explosions and simultaneous merging with the oversoul<br />Running through the forest and the river of time <br />Were always on the run... <br />The eclipsises and the meteorites<br />The sea and the mountainside avalanches sliding <br />Down sailin on that sea laying on the deck staring at the star sky<br />Autum night its breezing nice this night...</p></blockquote></div><p>The last few lines really drive.&nbsp; I bet you could get even more &quot;speed&quot; out of them with more line breaks and shorter lines.&nbsp; Like:</p><p>&quot;The sea<br />and the mountainside,<br />avalanches sliding<br />Down<br />Sailin&#039; on that sea,<br />laying on the deck<br />staring at the sky<br />Autum night<br />its breezing nice this night...&quot;</p><p>**</p><p>I&#039;m a fan myself of spoken poetry, beat poetry.&nbsp; So I prefer short lines that can be slid through, or hung onto.&nbsp; &nbsp;There&#039;s a lot of &quot;s&quot; in that last bit, consonnance (?), which would benefit maybe from standing more alone.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-10-21T19:42:38Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Please share some work of your own if you have it. I would love to read some NR writing.&nbsp; Also, honest opinions please I don&#039;t care if you critisize me.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-10-21T19:04:26Z</updated>
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