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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p><strong>Barefoot Doc wrote:</strong></p><p>Well there is always co-ops, the black market and bartering, these things tend to grow in economic collapses, could be the Gov may lose even more control if people start to look after themselves and each other, though that may be wishfull thinking</p></blockquote></div><p>I don&#039;t think that&#039;s wishful thinking. If the sh*t hits the fan, there are going to be plenty of people out their who rise up to the challenge. These people might be moving along like drones right now, with no idea what might happen, but when they wake up, I don&#039;t think we should under estimate their response. The whole point of the universe throwing us this curve ball is to spark a new awareness, to get people to see that they need something more substantial. Whatever happens, I think we&#039;ll see much more resiliency than expected <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /> </p><p>Like you said, people will look after themselves and each other. There will be some shock and not a little fall-out, but the tide will turn... I think we can count on some major creativity and ingenuity down the line. </p><p>Personally, I think we&#039;re going to see some huge breakthroughs in renewable energy, and once energy is free, the economic system as we know it is history anyway.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Once & Future]]></name>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Many countries including the UK have sold of most of their Gold reserves, meanwhile the chinese are being encouraged to buy gold by their Gov.<br />I thought there must be some plan long term behind that one but dont know exactly what.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>whywhywhy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hi jimpossible!</p><p>I really hope you are wrong.&nbsp; Getting rid of paper money will give so much power to the Government and other private/semi-private agengies and entities.&nbsp; Everything you buy from food, clothing to memberships will be logged as a purchase on your credit/debit card.&nbsp; Whoever has access to that information (e.g., The Government) will know what your preferences are, where you go, what clubs/associations you belong to, etc... These records can be deleted or added on to if disposal or rewarding of an individual is seeked by the agency in control.&nbsp; I won&#039;t deny I use my debit card, they are convenient at times, but I do 50%+ of my purchases in cash.&nbsp; The Government does not need to know what my biases/habits/needs are.</p><p>Scary!</p></blockquote></div><p>Well there is always co-ops, the black market and bartering, these things tend to grow in economic collapses, could be the Gov may lose even more control if people start to look after themselves and each other, though that may be wishfull thinking <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>I have given up on saving any more money in banks/building societies now and am withdrawing it bit by bit , i am buying modest ammounts of gold and silver and usefull practical things instead that have more real value than paper.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Barefoot Doc]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-10-21T15:29:15Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ayahuasca wrote:</p><p>“It is a bit scary,”&nbsp; Gates said. “We’re in uncharted territory when the world’s reserve currency has so much outstanding debt.–º/<br />End of quote</p><p>The solution is to devalue the dollar.&nbsp; Many people will be losers on that scenario but it has been done through history many times.&nbsp; &nbsp; All of us will be losers.&nbsp; In th meantime the &quot;Big Dogs&quot; and the big &quot;G&quot; will continue to be Big Dogs.&nbsp; History repeats itself!</p><p>We are going to be told &quot;Take one for your Country&quot;, &quot; Be a patriot&quot; &quot;Ask not what the country can do for you but what you can do for your country&quot;,......Yeah right!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-10-20T20:09:44Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jimpossible wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>So, what are the chances of a steep dollar decline or a full blown collapse soon?</p></blockquote></div><p>Pretty high I&#039;d say. This story about Bill Gates would certainly indicate the $ is about to lose a lot of value: </p><p><a href="http://www.sebimeyer.com/?p=1229">http://www.sebimeyer.com/?p=1229</a></p><p>&quot;Bill Gates, whose net worth of $46.6 billion makes him the world’s richest person, is betting against the U.S. dollar.</p><p>“I’m short the dollar,”&nbsp; Gates, chairman of Microsoft Corp., told Charlie Rose in an interview late yesterday at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “The ol’ dollar, it’s gonna go down.” </p><p>Gates’s concern that widening U.S. budget and trade deficits are undermining the dollar was echoed in Davos by policymakers including European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder.</p><p>The dollar fell 21 percent against a basket of six major currencies from the start of 2002 to the end of last year. The trade deficit swelled to a record $609.3 billion last year and total U.S. government debt rose 8.7 percent to $7.62 trillion in the past 12 months.</p><p>“It is a bit scary,”&nbsp; Gates said. “We’re in uncharted territory when the world’s reserve currency has so much outstanding debt.“</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-10-20T19:53:37Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi jimpossible!</p><p>I really hope you are wrong.&nbsp; Getting rid of paper money will give so much power to the Government and other private/semi-private agengies and entities.&nbsp; Everything you buy from food, clothing to memberships will be logged as a purchase on your credit/debit card.&nbsp; Whoever has access to that information (e.g., The Government) will know what your preferences are, where you go, what clubs/associations you belong to, etc... These records can be deleted or added on to if disposal or rewarding of an individual is seeked by the agency in control.&nbsp; I won&#039;t deny I use my debit card, they are convenient at times, but I do 50%+ of my purchases in cash.&nbsp; The Government does not need to know what my biases/habits/needs are.</p><p>Scary!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-10-20T18:23:19Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>In the C’s session from 10/28/94, L asks, “When is the credit/debit card system going to be put into effect?”&nbsp; The answer, “4 to 11 years.” </p><p>The question is asked out of sequence. That is, it was out of the flow of the ‘conversation’ that was taking place in the session at the time. Many times, particularly in the earlier sessions, Laura asked out of sequence questions. She says she had a definite purpose for this practice, to test the source. She thought that if the source was human, or even non-omniscient intelligence of some sort, then they would eventually contradict themselves or demonstrate some large time gap, presumably as they looked up previous answers, then formulated an answer to avoid contradiction. This was a smart practice.</p><p>There are other issues involving accuracy. The C’s themselves assess the accuracy of the sessions at about 72%. That’s higher than their assessment of any other channelled source they were asked about, but it’s still only 72%. There are only 3 people present at the 10/28/94 session, F***, Laura, and V***. There is an issue regarding F***’s presence and how he affected the quality of the channel. </p><p>Another prediction of sorts was given in this session concerning two missing boys in South Carolina. They were missing at the time and their mom had told police they were carjacked or something, and the story made national news headlines. It turned out later that the mom had actually driven her car into a pond with the boys inside, drowning them. The C’s answers to Laura’s questions at the time were extremely narrow, easily misinterpreted, and seem to imply that the boys would be found alive. The answer about the car being in the woods west may be geographically incorrect; I haven’t researched it that deeply.</p><p>Those answers are discussed in several subsequent sessions. Throughout all of the sessions, subjects like accuracy, precise language and usage, dates, and the fluidity of possible and probable futures are discussed. Interpretation and discernment are the keys.</p><p>So what are we to do with the “4 to 11 years”&nbsp; prediction above? First, I think the out of sequence nature of the question raises the accuracy. Second, the specificity of the response is different than other C answers. For example, when asked about when the wave would hit, they said 0 to 18 years (1994-2012). When asked (in ’98?) when a brown dwarf will pass through the Oort Cloud, they said 0 to 14 years (if memory serves). Later they said that the brown dwarf had been through the Oort Cloud 3 or 4 hundred years ago, but Laura had asked when “will”&nbsp; it happen so the answer of zero was as close to past tense as possible and the range to 14 was because they understood her meaning as to effects on Earth.</p><p>If we assume the accuracy of 4 to 11 years then I see a qualitative difference here. The date range is 10/28/1998 to 10/28/2005. The date does not end in 2012; I think that is significant. But there isn’t a publicly vocal or active push for the exclusively e-money system.</p><p>Well, the new bankruptcy law went into effect this month. Americans’ minimum monthly payments on their unsecured credit cards will double. The ability of the American consumer to drive the economy will falter. The dollar might collapse internationally and banks might actually have to take delivery of pallets of Federal Reserve Notes from overseas. (Remember that warehouse and other stashes of FRN’s found in Iraq right after the invasion?) </p><p>At some point in time the dollar will return to its intrinsic value. That is how every paper currency has ended its run, and I mean every one, no exceptions, in the entire history of paper money. With global electronic markets, lightspeed transactions, etc. the collapse could happen in less than 24 hours. </p><p>Some people will try to get their cash out of their banks. I know it doesn’t make sense but it will happen. Then for a little icing on the cake, some Fed Reserve official will announce that a lot of counterfeit money is being found mixed into the cash coming in from other countries. GW comes on TV, maybe with Allen Greenspan at his side, and announces a bank holiday, making a big deal about how FDR did the same thing in 1933 and he’s only acting on precedent. (As an aside, 2005 just matched 1933 for the most number of named tropical storms). </p><p>Every business that buys anything from outside the US (just about every business) can’t use FRN’s with their suppliers anymore. In short order the news media make it look like everyone is screaming for a new monetery system. So we get e-money. After the US adopts the system, it goes worldwide.</p><p>It may take longer then the end of this month but the first step, a sharp dollar decline, occurs between now and 10/28. So the C’s prediction is correct from their non-temporal perspective. The actual dates of the subsequent steps are immaterial to them. They also might have meant years only since that is how they worded their response. In that case they are correct if the first step occurs by the end of this year.</p><p>So, what are the chances of a steep dollar decline or a full blown collapse soon? Knowledgable folk know that this could happen anytime. Others may be taken by surprise. Just pull a few of those pieces of paper from your pocket. Consider everything you think you know about them, everything you’ve ever been told about them, every message you’ve gotten from your environment regarding them. Dig deep, then put all those ideas on hold for a moment. Now how much are those FRN’s worth?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-10-20T18:03:15Z</updated>
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