Remember that the race they are trying to create out of us is clairvoyant.  Borg, but clairvoyant and 'gifted'.

Steiner said that movies hurt very much the etheric body, that it is one element of the 'programme' to harden and mechanize humanity, to make it more materialistic.

I would say that even if the movei involves life after death, it gives a materialistic picture of the after life.

recently that Dick Tracy could be a mind control film, for numerous reasons: the colors are special and can be linked to program coding, Madona plays in it (she might be one monarch slave), Warren Betty is the brother of Shirley Maclaine.

Shirley Maclaine was used to propagate new age dogma. she would be such a mind controlled individual. She had visions with a friend David of a beautifk angelic being telling her that 'the higher self is God, that God is within and that we are all powerful and perfect already yet we don't know it'. New age egomanicac BS.

Many new age adventurers and influencial writers rely on such sources as visions and ypnotic regression in past lives. This gives cinematic-like experiences, that is clairvoyance in images, or the old kind of clairvoyance that we should not revive because it endangers the development of our ego which needs to base its knowledge on hards facts in relation to the outer objective world, not on visions (illusions, cinematic virtual images which pose themselves as reality but are only a simulacra of reality: this is the eight sphere standard). the ego is in danger to fall prey to eight sphere's clutches of illusions.

So I really do distrust the way movies narrate the life after dead because movies, particularly Hollywood movies, are propaganda tools. They serve a completely wrong knowledge of life after dead and reincarnation. The movie Birth, with Nicole Kidman, is one really suspect movie to me, knowing that Nicole might be used to sell (propagate) a flawed version of reincarnation (in this movie, she's in love with a kid who is the reincarnation of her dead husband. This is BS. This cannot happen here on earth but only in the heads of flawed investigators relying on atavistic clairvoyance, linking their innermost soul to the eighth sphere. Kids aying they are this or that dead person are just relating memories they relate to in the Akasha. This is not the memory of their own ego experience in any past life. I suggest readsing this trend I initiated   :
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 057#p42057
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 088#p42088
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I also have this e-book for those interested. I wouldn't say I agree 100% with everything mentioned, but the basis for the spiritual world resonates deeply within me.

Virtually nobody even heard of, much less saw this movie, but it had one of my favorite actors (Hector Elizondo in probably his best work) in it. Definitely worth a look if you can find it.

Gee , thanks for the pep talk seth!

Compared to what's on the other side, this life is indeed, closer to death than it is to a true-life state.

Seth: You're as dead now as you have ever been or ever will be.

Jacob's Ladder is da bomb. Especially the scene with the operating table and a doctor who asks, "where is it that you'd like to go?" The question is an open one, and most people have absolutely no idea where they want to go after this life. For me, all I want to do is retrace my path back to a specific point and expand my awareness from there.

And I'm willing to be patient for a period of time. Let's say, the rest of my life.

If you could share your understanding of spiritual death with me, then I could understand what you were saying. The concept of spiritual death has always confused me.

Onionworld, here is a quote of Lyra talking about her old hometown:

THAT is what I mean by spiritual death.  Others are free to have their own definitions.

Jacob's Ladder

Lyra wrote:

Jacob's Ladder 1990, Tim Robbins, Elizabeth Pena, Danny Aiello, and a little Macaulay Culkin.
Jacob actually died in battle
And so it goes, in the in-between world of someone who doesn't know they're dead.
Louis, who is his guide of sorts, the person Jacob confides in while getting treatment, and who also has an "angelic" quality about him

He isn’t dead, he’s dying and everything in the movie is a projection from this unconscious state.

Danny Aiello / Louis quotes Meister Eckhart at one point: “Although it may seem that demons are tearing your world apart, it is actually angels setting you free."

At the end of the movie, as he walks up the stairs into LIGHT, that’s when he dies.

You're right!   Sorry about that. 

He isn’t dead, he’s dying and everything in the movie is a projection from this unconscious state.

Danny Aiello / Louis quotes Meister Eckhart at one point: “Although it may seem that demons are tearing your world apart, it is actually angels setting you free."

At the end of the movie, as he walks up the stairs into LIGHT, that’s when he dies.

onionworld wrote:

What is spiritual death?

The host of this forum has some articles on this subject you might want to take the time and read.  Click the link and the titles are on the left column.  Visit the other sections of the site as well and read what is there.

I really want to hear your understanding about it because your statement, "I am saying that some stories might use physical death as a metaphor for spiritual death, yes." really confused me. If you could share your understanding of spiritual death with me, then I could understand what you were saying. The concept of spiritual death has always confused me. I would appreciate it a lot, I will look at those articles, thank you.

Thanks, I'll check that out. It makes perfect sense to me that a reptilian would be present in that movie. I've come to the conclusion that organized religion is a trap that was engineered and created by the reptilians. If you want to see a movie that actually goes into detail about that, watch "Enemy Mine."

So I think the idea of fooling ourselves and of not realizing our own predicament is a more important theme to extract from these movies than "what does the after-life look like?" In general, soul atrophy and zombieness (i.e. the living dead) do describe a large part of society.

I agree with you about that.

What is spiritual death?

The host of this forum has some articles on this subject you might want to take the time and read.  Click the link and the titles are on the left column.  Visit the other sections of the site as well and read what is there.

onionworld wrote:

Are you saying that being "dead" is a spiritual state of being rather than what we usually think of it as (i.e. our physical bodies ceasing to function)?

I am saying that some stories might use physical death as a metaphor for spiritual death, yes.

What is spiritual death?

Are you saying that being "dead" is a spiritual state of being rather than what we usually think of it as (i.e. our physical bodies ceasing to function)?

I am saying that some stories might use physical death as a metaphor for spiritual death, yes.

I believe it was the "25th Anniversary Edition" if that helps.  Amazon does show a different version also available called "The Version You've Never Seen" which I'm guessing is the director's cut to which you refer.

I agree.