In my experience, the Nordics have been EXTREMELY BAD NEWS.

And when I say Nordic, I am referring to beings who appear to be of slightly less physical density than us but who are extremely Luciferian in energy.  Their physicality is an extremely pale white skin verging on albino with cold, evil eyes, and the eyes are always of a pale ice blue verging on grey. The hair is a pale straw blond, almost a milky blond.

Like this one?
http://www.tcf.net/VIRGINATLANTIC/Richard_Branson5.jpg

and look at the article: enlarge the image
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newswire. … uters.html

I don't believe that conspiracies exist all around us, that every single person is 'in' on it. I accept that the world we live in is a farm...but I also believe that every person in the media, every person in government, every person who has a role of power, is not necessarily corrupt. Rather, isn't it possible that some of these people are anti-wanderers (some of which have forgotten who they are like normal wanderers)? If so, that must give some kind of hope to us all - because, like it is possible for normal wanderers to forget who they are, shouldn't this also be the case for anti-wanderers - who can also forget their STS origins, and cross to the other side?

I agree but you can't change a corrupt system from within itself which is the illusion of politics and opposames so even if these systems contain good people, they will either become corrupted by it or will have no effect, become disillusioned  gatekeepers or as you put it anti wanderers.
Its the systems that have to go i feel and good people can only change things from outside the system or the fringe.

belljar wrote:

In my experience anyone trying to be 'good' is going against programming whether they be human or alien.

Means anyone can try and beat their programming maybe?

I've been thinking a little more about this. If we have black vs white, dark vs. light, evilness vs. purity, etc etc is there anything that may counter the idea of wanderers?

To start with, a 'general' wanderer is the idea of someone incarnating on earth at this time, with a purpose to help others, raise their awareness, whatever. They are in service to others however for some (not all), they have forgotten what their purpose is and have become lost in the world...even though deep down, they might still have good intentions but are unaware of their greater abilities. They are different to enlightened people in that they don't necessarily have a visible or overt influence on others - they aren't the Jesus', or Buddha, or other highly enlightened people who have existed in our history.

What my proposal is, is that there are also anti-wanderers, who are people that serve the purpose of higher STS entities. These people aren't the Hitlers, or other powerful figures in history who have had mass influence through their status either. These are the people who through their daily activities, and general lives, have the ability to collectively control large groups of people, through fear, hate, and all those other not so nice things. For example, people who work in media - reporters. People who work in the fashion industry - who are models, who design clothes - who collectively promote a certain stereotype, which all should aspire to be like (which isn't possible, and creates frustration among those who try but fail). Those who create trends, and through which, create class distinctions among groups of people 'if you follow this, you are cool, if you don't - you are not'.....etc etc.

This is only still a thought - in - process, but to summarize to date:

Wanderers

- STO
- From 4th, 5th, 6th density
- Are 'ordinary' people, living amongst the masses or ordinary people, with the distinct purpose of raising others' greater awareness, understanding and whatever else.

Anti-Wanderers

- STS
- From 4th (only?) density
- Are also 'ordinary' people, living amongst the masses of ordinary people, with the distinct purpose of bringing people down, creating fear, and being pawns (most likely unknowingly) to higher negative beings e.g. reptilians.

I don't believe that conspiracies exist all around us, that every single person is 'in' on it. I accept that the world we live in is a farm...but I also believe that every person in the media, every person in government, every person who has a role of power, is not necessarily corrupt. Rather, isn't it possible that some of these people are anti-wanderers (some of which have forgotten who they are like normal wanderers)? If so, that must give some kind of hope to us all - because, like it is possible for normal wanderers to forget who they are, shouldn't this also be the case for anti-wanderers - who can also forget their STS origins, and cross to the other side?

In my experience anyone trying to be 'good' is going against programming whether they be human or alien.

Well that's certainly an interesting sentiment.   Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by this, because it seems to contradict the statement "there can be nice beings of any type."  So are you saying that we don't inherantly have good in us, only (nasty) programming that we can override and go against?  Sounds extremely pessimistic.  If that's what you do mean.  Maybe you could elaborate?

In my experience, the Nordics have been EXTREMELY BAD NEWS.

And when I say Nordic, I am referring to beings who appear to be of slightly less physical density than us but who are extremely Luciferian in energy.  Their physicality is an extremely pale white skin verging on albino with cold, evil eyes, and the eyes are always of a pale ice blue verging on grey. The hair is a pale straw blond, almost a milky blond.

They use a lot of really nasty technology, do tons of really invasive abductions, and also seem to be very tied into the negative reptilians.  They may even be the HUMAN holographic projection for many of the negative reptilians, based on some of my encounters with them. I know at least several dozen people beside myself who have had similar experiences with these beings.

Never have known or encountered a nice Nordic.  But they are very good at pretending to be gods.

Just wanted to throw that in there.  Use caution around "calling these critters up."

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

The question I have is about reptilians here on earth. Is it possible, that there are people who exist in our world, who are reptilian, yet are unaware of their origins?

This can be likened to the idea of wanderers - and how some of them may be unaware of who they really are.

Could it be possible that there are reptilians who are also unaware, yet possess some of the similar STS qualities? I'm not sure if it's a prerequisite to be 4th density, but say wanderers from 4th,5th or 6th D, here they are confined to 3rd. Can the same also happen for reptilians? i.e. 3rd density incarnates unaware of who they are.

The reason I ask, is that in the past few weeks I have noticed some people - either friends of friends, or who I have met otherwise, who give off the vibe of being dominant or power hungry - yet in a very subtle way, which may not even be obvious to anyone else unless they were looking for it specifically or had a similar intuition. These people also appear (the may not actually HAVE more), but appear to have lots and lots of teeth - like a crocodile. That's kind of an over-the-top comparison, and perhaps trivial also, but they just LOOK like they have more teeth than the average person. Other traits they posses, are being friendly but in a manipulative way. I noticed this, because I saw others being manipulated right before my eyes.

Anyway, if anyone could enlighten me, I would be very grateful.

And think about it - if you incarnated into the Matrix for a reason, it's not to leave again as soon as possible. A paratrooper lands in enemy territory to carry out a mission, not to scuttle right back to base.

A dream I had a few days ago just fully clicked in after reading this. Well I guess I had a few hunches leading to this but it never really clarified until now.

I was in a space-fight with a small fleet of comrades battling some other types of ships. We warped in or came through a portal.

Our fleet was pushing forward, so I believe the other side was defending their territory, or at least in defensive-formations. I was tailing an enemy ship and damaging it heavily. Obviously the other ships came to defend it and fired at my ship until it had sustained critical damage. I was at the point that if I got shot at anymore, I would have been destroyed so I turned back away from my fleet and went right back through the portal. I think my comrades were covering me at this point because I shouldn't have been able to make it back through.

The dream then flashed into hours later where I was sitting in a space-station, feeling guilty for having to retreat and abandon my fleet. My "friends" were sitting across from me, as it seems they were ashamed of my actions. I suppose they thought I acted cowardly. What's funny is that they were played out by the actual cast of the T.V. show "Friends". I remember Joey giving me the look.

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Anyways. This dream makes me think that instead of continuing to transcend and attempt to gain my light-body, I have doubts in my mind of pushing forward with the rest of the light-workers. It may be symbolic of the conflict of my 3D self VS my potential multidimensional awakening.

Feels nice to express a dream to others though.

I'm sure that's no problem since time doesn't exist in those densities. At the same instant that they evolve to 4th, they'll have finished 5th, 6th, and poof, Big bang! Must be a hell of a ride.

When the C's state, or actually when any channel states ancestors or labels anything, it always gets confusing. The simple truth is, everything stems from ONE thought. That one thought divides into two thoughts, and so on. In no "time" at all, the web becomes very tangled.

Then everything gets even more confusing by the imposition of Time. What is time? Pleideans say that time was created to separate and divide the Universe. Like the way our movies play. Frame by frame. Transmuting existence of continuous and instantaneous principles into frame-by-frame existence. Separating everything by the borders of time for those under 4th Density perspective.

Then cycles imbed themselves within time. That's when life becomes glued to time's characteristics.

I personnaly don't see ascension as an escape, more like a transformation of our current reality.

Right, there's a difference between rejecting and transcending the Matrix. By rejecting, you simply leave the gameboard. By transcending, you become unrestricted by the rules of the gameboard. Neo transcended the Matrix at the end of the first movie - rejection would have meant unplugging the first time and staying out, or else remaining in the Matrix as a dejected bum who lives in the ghetto because he rejected the rules without being able to overcome the consequences.

And think about it - if you incarnated into the Matrix for a reason, it's not to leave again as soon as possible. A paratrooper lands in enemy territory to carry out a mission, not to scuttle right back to base.

Yeah, this fits with another thing they said:

This function is indeed different from 5D and 6D Wanderers because Wanderers incarnate into 3D with all the handicaps, while these STO Nordics are actively involved in 3D matters from their home density. This is because fourth density contains 3D as a subset, and is the last density to be somewhat physical.

Even after a 3D to 4D transition, there's still loads of work to do. It's not like one transitions to 4D and is then home free...rather, that's when the real fun begins.