Mindfield wrote:Ha! Really? Got a link for this?
The message itself was a link... just click on it. 
In recent times, I've been very anti-literal Jesus, but I am now seeking to put aside the "emotions" of the "Jesus real vs myth" debate and experience hanging out with practicing Catholics near my home town.
We may all disagree over the nature of the Jesus story, but one thing that I believe is that we all, regardless of beliefs, need each other and can benefit tremendously from open dialogue and warm embracement of the divine spark in each of us.
We may toss stones daily at the messenger, but the eternal message is there for all of us to meditate upon.
]]>On the days that I could hear, during practice for Communion, I was able to glean two lines from the hymn we were singing: Jesus, Jesus, come to me, All my longing is for thee. I was reminded of those lines by your posts, LipstickMystic and Haven. I too have felt this
connection to Jesus. The faults of Catholicism apart, I'm glad I was
doing this at that particular time, because I now feel that it brought this energy into me when I especially needed it, and that it's been sustaining me ever since, although I am tuned in more or less at different times.
Anyway, I was inspired to go online and find the song in its entirety, and I did. It's really beautiful, the pureness of the longing really comes through when it's sung. Thanks for providing the inspiration for me to finally learn the words of this sing that I've never forgotten!
Jesus, Jesus, Come to Me
Jesus, Jesus, come to me,
All my longing is for Thee,
Of all friends the best Thou art,
Make of me Thy counterpart.
Jesus, I live for Thee,
Jesus, I die for Thee.
I belong to Thee
Forever in life and death.
PS I think this intense post needs to be counteracted with a mention of the energy I feel coming off of the real Jesus, who is an amazingly enlightened being who pretty much defies description. Words fail. Imagine the largest, most magnificent vibration of love, and then multiply that by a gazillion times, and you'll have some small glimpse of the immense light of this blessed, blessed, being.
Yes, when you meet him, you know it. I know this first-hand. Love, peace, protection, companionship, all things good. There is no mistaking it.
]]>In my experience, and in the experience of a loose-knit group of fellow psychics I interact with around the world, THAT particular critter is the same one who goes around calling himself St. Germain and/or Koot Humi, or The Tibetan, all of them nasty pieces of work. This particular entity hangs out on a ship with a nasty ragtag group of negatively oriented ET's doing tons of abductions, implanting, and other CRAPPOLA that is a real pain to remove from the victims. I've scraped people up off of the floor who had the misfortune of welcoming this particular entity into their lives. Suffice it to say, it was not pretty. He tells people whatever they want to hear about his identify, and many people fall for his Jesus lies.
On the other hand, within my informal group of seer buds and pals, the Jesus WE'VE all been in touch with looks very different - completely opposite, really - from the C's description.
Which is interesting.
I never told people about the Jesus I've been in contact with. Never until recently, that is. For whatever reasons I've been getting bolder about it lately.
What's funny is how people would find me over the years and independently, without knowing anything about the experiences I'd had communicating with him, offer up their own interactions with him and describe the same man I saw/see, down to the exact physical details. People who didn't even know I in any way was interested in Jesus because, "Gee, she must be the groovy pagan goddess chicka (which is how many people prefer to see me.)"
Interesting.
Are there different Jesuses for different folks?
Possibly.
But I don't like that description the C's gave.....I KNOW that being, I have FOUGHT that being, and I have cleared other people out of the crap and the soul loss and the implants that that particular critter implanted into them.
And if he ever crosses my path or my loved ones' paths again, there will be no end to the world of pain he experiences for intruding upon their spiritual sovereignty.
You'd stand where I stand if you had seen what he has done to people, many of them children, many of them indigo or crystal types, whose souls he sought to pervert irretrievably before they could even make it to adolescence.
Not on my patrol, bub.
Okay, these were my (somewhat intense) two cents on this particular thread! I guess you know where I stand on the matter now.
Jennifer aka Lipstick Mystic
PS I think this intense post needs to be counteracted with a mention of the energy I feel coming off of the real Jesus, who is an amazingly enlightened being who pretty much defies description. Words fail. Imagine the largest, most magnificent vibration of love, and then multiply that by a gazillion times, and you'll have some small glimpse of the immense light of this blessed, blessed, being.
How can any of the pretenders compare to that? They wish.
]]>This is more my thing, from the latest Tobias channeling at crimsoncircle.com :
Take the energy of Yeshua, Jesus. As we have said before, Yeshua is not a souled being. Yeshua is a composite. It is a collective energy of a large group of angels, including you, that helped to bring it into manifestation. The energy was so strong, filled with so much compassion and love that you were literally able to manifest “Christed-ness,” the Christ seed, the Christ consciousness and allow it to come into a physical body, a collective energy from all of you – and many others, of course – coming in at the appropriate time to Earth. Yeshua, in a sense, you could say, is not real at all, not real in the terms that you would normally think. It doesn't have an actual soul identity. But, yet Yeshua has come to mean so much.
Oh, then there is Jesus. You see, at one point Yeshua and Jesus were the same energy. But, now they are not at all. There is an entity on our side of the veil called Jesus, quite different from the energy of Yeshua. Jesus is perhaps the more contemporary version, but a version built from – how to say – the belief systems of the Christian churches right now. Jesus has manifested on our side of the veil, therefore can be felt on your side as well.
This energy of Jesus is quite different from Yeshua. But, it is the ones that – how to say – have put their energy together, wanted to be saved, wanted some type of judgment, wanted a – how to say – a figurehead or a leader, so they created this energy of Jesus. It wasn't there before. It didn't actually directly come out of Yeahua’s energy.
Yeshua – how to say – we’re getting a little off course here. But, Yeshua comes from the Order of Sananda, the House of Sananda, the angelic family of Sananda. Yeshua was manifested through that portal or that corridor. Jesus is quite different. Jesus is the manifestation of the current consciousness of the Christian Church.
So, there is a Jesus up here, and there is a Yeshua up here. We don't often get confused. We see the difference between the two. The energy of Jesus carries this burden. He continues to walk around with a cross. That’s why we don’t get confused (audience laughter). Yeshua carries no cross because there is no need for suffering. There is no need to pay for human sin because essentially there is no human sin. However, there was a group of humans who created a belief system, therefore an entity called Jesus, who literally on our side and yours either is carrying that cross around or is hanging from it.
]]>Mindfield wrote:Ha! Really? Got a link for this?
The message itself was a link... just click on it.
Ha! Really? Got a link for this?
]]>Apparently there's a movie about how Jesus never really existed.
Here's also another one coming this year... http://www.thebeastmovie.com/
]]>Apparently there's a movie about how Jesus never really existed.
No screenings in my state.
According to that site, it's available on DVD.
I guess the filmmakers would not go for Seth's idea that the Jesus story is intrinsically rather than historically true...
]]>No screenings in my state. 
From The Early Sessions: Book 5 of the Seth Material, Session 213, Wednesday, December 01, 1965:
There were a few remarks that I intended to make concerning the Christmas season, and perhaps I should make them now.
If it seems to you that there is a great gap existing within Christianity, between ideals expressed, and actions, then let me tell you that conditions would indeed be far worse if these ideals had not initially been expressed, and if they were not yearly reaffirmed.
As you [Jane and Rob] both suppose, enough constructive psychic energy is generated during the holiday season to recharge psychic batteries, so to speak, for quite some time. Were it not for this your whole race would be in much more serious a predicament.
‘One of the reasons, Joseph [Rob], for your own lack of festive spirit in the past has been the result of your realization that this gap between idealism and action is great. You could not therefore enter into what you felt to be hypocrisy of the season. All the more, since you have no particular conviction, anymore than Ruburt [Jane] has, concerning the historic existence of a Christ.
To some extent, I have explored some of this, but it will do you well to join wholeheartedly into the very necessary spirit of the time, for it is constructive and most beneficial. And, in so doing, you help yourself and others.
Now: There was no historic Virgin Birth, and no historic Crucifixion. This does not mean that these do not represent symbolic realities.
... This feeling that Christmas represented hypocrisy has been one of the main reasons for your [Rob’s] own low spirits during the season, for it represented a rather deep disillusionment with the culture in which you were nurtured.
The legend of Christ is of great psychic import however, and is intrinsically true. This does not mean it is based in historical fact. In many ways it is more true than historic fact, for man himself created that which had not been provided. The creation nevertheless happened in quite real terms, and is part of mankind’s inner recognition of the pyramid gestalts of which I have spoken.
This was as close as man could come in his imagination to that which is, and this is all right. The basic idea behind Christmas is definitely important, whether or not the intellect is able to see its significance.
Now: Psychologically alone this is beneficial, for it acts against those feelings of despair that can creep up during the winter season. And by reminding men of a birth and a resurrection it hints at the innate abilities of the race to transcend physical time and space.
The getting out of oneself that is involved is excellent therapy, and therapy that does others good, as well as the self involved. There is much more here, however. Culturally speaking, there is a strong connection with pagan intuitions, deep and meaningful, that found newer and broader expression.
The character of Christ as it is portrayed is an excellent one, since it stressed human rather than specifically male qualities. Or should I say it stressed human qualities rather than those unfortunately considered male qualities. It stressed the best qualities of the race as a whole.
The personality of Christ is an idealization, and a clue to the entity of which each individual personality is composed. And as far as prayer is concerned, though I realize that neither of you pray in those terms, someone does indeed listen. The self who prays listens, and makes necessary adjustments and improvements. For the individual is part of All-That-Is, and therefore partakes of the abilities of the psychic gestalts of which we have so sketchily spoken.
If you read alot about Marcion and Luke, scholarship always follows the orthodox line that Marcion stole from Luke and Paul. But a few think Marcion may have been been unfairly accused, and that actually the opposite occured. Some scholars have accused Luke of being a "crank." I wonder if this is the same "Lucian" who wrote a satire called "The Passing of Peregrinus", in which Peregrinus takes advantage of the generosity and gullibility of Christians. This is one of the earliest surviving pagan perceptions of Christianity. He was also from the same of Turkey as Marcion and Paul?Apollonius. Whew.
I have heard of the theory of Pol/Paul, and there are some details that are troubling.
(The companion of Apollonius, as well as scribe was Demis. As per -2 Timothy 4:10 Demas was the companion of Paul See Also Philemon, Verse 24; I Corinthians, Chapter 3: Verses 4 -- 6 & Verse)
They both lived in Tarsus.
Most interesting in the LoA, is when Apollonius is brought before the emperor to be executed, instead of meekly submitting to torture and eventual death like Jesus, he lectured the king (like a philosopher should), and then promptly vanished from the court.
Read Philostratus and his "Life of Appolonius." In it, Apollonius does travel to India where there's an amazing story of him visiting the naked sages there, complete with tables that walked!
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Some excerpts about Paul:
"I salute you, sir:--For my own benefit and personal aggrandizement, I brought to Rome the Pauline Epistles. I obtained them in Antioch. I changed or interpolated them to suit myself; because, being a scholar, and understanding those epistles to contain facts that were not known by the world at large, I thought that they presented a rare opportunity to make myself great. These epistles were written or copied from the originals by Apollonius, Apollos, or Paulus; and in order to disguise the identity of their author, Apollonius of Tyana, I interpolated that description of Paul that was afterward copied by Lucian. The principal foundation of those epistles was the sign of the zodiac known as Aries, the Ram or Lamb. The early Christians, as will be proven by one who comes after me to-day (Lucian), all worshipped a lamb instead of a man on a cross. Those epistles were written in the Cappadocian or Samaritan tongue. It is my duty as a spirit here to-day, to state positively that I was the first person to introduce these epistles to public notice, in A.D. 130, and in the manner I have described. This communication is given for the benefit of all thinkers who wish to be enlightened upon the truth. I was a native of Cappadocia, the country of Apollonius of Tyana; and my name was Marcion."
"My salutation shall be, Death to Falsehood, whether in religion or in political affairs of spirits and mortals. The man who preceded me (Marcion) is the one from whom my description of St. Paul was taken, although never known to me by such a name. He was known to me as Apollos in the Greek tongue; as Paulus in the Roman; and it was understood by all scholars at the time I wrote, as relating to the life, travels and miracles of one Apollonius, the oracle of Vespasian. In fact I merely followed the statements of Marcion, although I knew his statement was incorrect, never for an instant thinking that my description of this person would be seized upon by Christians in after ages to perpetuate their fraud. I was of a satirical disposition of mind, and it made no difference to me if what I wrote was true or false. It was with me as with your dramatic writers of to-day; and it mattered not what events I sought to use, whether sacred or historical, so I could make them suit my purposes."
-- Lucian, a Greek satirist
"No Jew by the name of Jesus Christ was known at Rome in my day; nor did I ever hear from any of the embassadors of the order the name of Christians mentioned. I knew nothing of Paul, but I knew as a mortal and know as a spirit, that Pol was one of the names conferred upon Apollonius of Tyana. I have every reason to believe that the Paul of the Christian Scriptures is Apollonius of Tyana. I have had this view of the matter from one whom I knew in the mortal form, as the result of his investigation. I mean Pliny the Younger, with whom I was intimately acquainted. My name was Pompaeius Saturninus."
"The Christian story, as borne out by the facts, was derived from a Grecian tragedy the hero of which was a dying god, and the first man who taught such a doctrine was Apollonius of Tyana; and he, according to his own manuscripts, got the idea in India from the narrative regarding the Hindoo god Chrishna, which is in reality the Christ of the Christians. In fact you have, through the spirits that are coming to you, the key to all that relates to the Christian religion, in the fact that Apollonius was the Apostle Paul. These documents to which I allude, although opposed to their religion, the Catholics have not destroyed. Whatever originals they possess are in the hands of the Order of Jesus [Jesuits], and no priest is allowed to read them unless he takes the oath of eternal secrecy. There is not a learned Catholic to-day that is in the priesthood, or that has ever been at Rome, but that knows that Christianity is nothing more than an old pagan idea revived, but as it gives them power their lips are sealed. I might speak for an hour, but I could not tell you more than I have done because I have condensed what I had to say. I was librarian of the Vatican prior to A. D. 1607, when I died."
-- Cardinal Caesar Baronius