To add one last point, if STS is imbalance and STO is balance, then surely STO evolution would require an integration of the dark and light halves of oneself, both the Self and the Shadow. It would require a complete understanding of the dark half of oneself, and the inner nature, rationale, and placement of the archetypal STS being in the general scheme of things.

In other words, STO isn't about thinking love and light and ignoring the dark and the shadow, but understanding and integrating those under the command of the divine aspect of oneself.

Absolutely! To be in command you have to be Aware.

However they are there to teach you just as much as anybody else. In fact they are better teachers than the ones who tell you only what you want to hear!

I feel that the agreement to be bitten must have been made at some level. They are many ways to over ride Free-Will. Not just the obvious ones. If the choice is made at a certain level of your being I feel It can be perceived as an over riding of your Free-Will at another level.

That's the problem I think. However it is about saving your energy rather than giving it away to Darkness. I do not think OPs (assuming there is such a thing, which I will) are to be chainsawed but since we are dealing with what is supposed to be a "different race" we have to adapt our thinking to "theirs". (I think I read that here actually)
Why not see "them" as our poor cousins who are not yet able to fend for themselves and are being mercylessly abused by "STOs"?
In practical terms saving Energy and using it effectively makes a HUGE difference in ALL aspects of Life.
I always try to replace the word "evil", "manipulative", etc. by Ignorant. It makes you see things in a different light. Isn't Satan the Temptor? Once again I believe "evil" is also there to strengthen you within an Evolutive-Life-Direction, simply in a different way than that of the "Love and Light" Teachers of this World. I believe there is some evidence in the book of Job of Satan (or the other one) renuncing Heaven to take the role of Temptor OUT OF LOVE FOR GOD.

Yes, We are All One, Holographic view of the World etc.

Have you tried David R. Hawkins' method? Try "The eye of the eye" or "I".

If I understand this correctly then the assumption is that: negative thought forms, because they are secondary, cannot contain light?

Yes, that is the question I'm pondering. What you said about thoughtforms being sent to the light reminds me of the concept in Matrix Reloaded that programs could be sent to the Source.

Also, it's possible that something may contain light energy, but perhaps not a 'core' of light. This is the difference between a soul imprint and an actual core of consciousness.

Or perhaps it contains a core of light, but it sucks in more light than it gives, thus appearing black and dark. What I mean is, thoughtforms are enlivened by emotional energy, and even the darkest of emotions seem to merely be heavily distorted versions of the most basic of true emotional energy, love. Light is light no matter how low the frequency.

So maybe even the darkest of thoughtforms contain some form of light, but if they suck in more light than they give, they would be like a black hole - which appears to be black but actually contains photons it has swallowed and thus indeed contains light.

This goes back to the idea that two beings can have cores of light, but how they interact with other beings can differ. One may stiffle the light of another, and one may radiate light to uplift another. If this depends on their freewill choice, then we aren't at complete liberty to convert a dark being into light if the being doesn't choose this - unless by sheer force we are able to override their decision, unless we can talk them into seeing the light, or unless they flee out of fear.

I think this can be done more easily on the etheric/astral realms since it seems divine laws have a greater force there. Here in 3D, a dark being (say a psychopath in the flesh who chooses to ignore all pleas to find the light within himself) seems less subject to divine laws due to the causal and heavy nature of 3D physicality.

The point of all this is to better understand how to act in accordance with truth/wisdom/divinity while 'handling' heavily STS beings, both physical and etheric. We know that cleaning up your spiritual blemishes helps avoid attracting them in the first place, but let's say you find yourself in a situation where you must deal with one. What are some tips to consider? Carlos Castaneda wrote about this in the sense of dealing with petty tyrants. So the works of Castaneda and Theun Mares may be useful here, as they deal with warriorship that takes both physical and nonphysical factors into account. Something left to discuss more deeply...

Well, just brainstorming...

Very good point Tom.

If I understand this correctly then the assumption is that: negative thought forms, because they are secondary, cannot contain light?

If the above is correct then we also have to assume the reverse for positive thought forms thus: positive thoughtforms, because they are secondary, contain no dark.

I can only say that in my own experience I know of no negative thought form/entity/attachment or similar that would not return to Light in the correct circumstances. It would be irresponsible of me to outline a detailed process here, but basically when showing these entities the light it is not a mental concept but a feelings concept. They are instructed to look inside themselves (this works differently and more quickly than in 3d) and at times it can take a while for them to spot it, but they ALWAYS find their light, and then it is expanded slowly, and they become like frightened children - and then they feel and experience the Light in all its power, warmth, strength, protection, safeness and unconditional love - its can be very moving when it happens.

Also I think something about the Holographic Universe is relevant here but I am not sure what.

Will keep on thinking this one over,

Warm regards

JT

Note to self: Do not write such long posts UNTIL your assumptions have been agreed to be correct or incorrect :-D

But thoughtforms don't come directly from the light, rather they are generated by the freewill thoughts and feelings of those who come from the light. So they are second order creations whose nature is independent of any decision by the Creator itself.

Example: an individual containing a core of consciousness (godspark) has the freewill to act independently of the Creator, as that's the meaning of freewill. Then say he chooses to ignore divine principles and instead falls for self-generated illusion, collecting numerous false and dark thoughts and feelings, which then take shape as thoughtforms on the etheric level. Then these thoughtforms are entities created by the illusions of man, not by the will of the Creator. How can they have a core of light if they don't come from the light?

The point is, if the above reasoning is valid, then here we have an example of something that neither contains light nor comes from it. Thoughtforms can become quite powerful and may begin feeding at large to sustain themselves. They can grow to the level of what we would call demons. If so, then some demons may not contain cores of light, as they are 100% creations of illusions and darkness to begin with. What hope is there for them to recognize something that does not exist within themselves? And what should our approach then be regarding these entities if we nevertheless seek to be compassionate and understanding?

Everyone has an agenda. Maybe you're right about holding off any triggers to be expressed in ones writings, but sometimes one cannot help it. They cannot help it because they feel it's acceptable to write with emotion. Because emotion has its place, as one of the main things that connect us to our higher-selves.

Or at least this is what I believe. A single sound can have a tremendous effect if it connects with an emotion. A single thought can shiver and rattle an army of warriors if it is connected with emotion.

To deny ourselves of triggers, is to deny ourselves of allowing those emotions to surface. But I also think you are correct that it may be the safest way to "stalk" motives "HARD". I respect your thoughts on the matter and maybe I should practice it more. I think it comes down to the audience and my comments were directly to JT. I think no harm, no foul?

Our motives are always there in 3D. The question is, do our thoughts and actions elicit hidden motives and hidden agendas? I hope mine don't. Sometimes I believe it is ok to express ones thoughts to another; to encourage, motivate, and above all try to express the thought that communicates to the other that their thoughts are shared.

Namaste.

All beings are BASICALLY good (ie. from the light).  The operative word is basically.  How deep, how far does one have to go to reach the good part of the anti-social personality?

Pretty deep. Far deeper than I am currently willing or capable of helping.

Therefore, I give anti-social personalities - when found in my environment - a huge wide berth. 

Best,
Christine B.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the anti-socialism of young children - I have not taught at Kindergarten, but my daughter is still at Kindergarten and it is amazing to watch the group dynamics at play. Though as far as I am concerned a childs anti-socialism is everything to do with the childs Primary Authority Figures in life, be it parents, grandparents or Kindergarten teachers.

It has been demonstrated enough times the most formative age for a child is from 1-6 years old, though they are still highly impressionable from 6 yrs old to adulthood.
Children learn from these authority figures in life what it is to be a human being and how to act in any number of circumstances and they also learn through a process of enculteration in the wider society and from the media.

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Many of the mistakes that parents pass on to their children are incredibly subtle forms of manipulation and ways of being and are completely unatural - do you see jealousy, hate and humiliation taking place in nature?

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Hello JT,

Thank you for your response and obvious care you wrote in doing so.  I appreciate it.

But since we've agreed to disagree, I want to point out that I am talking about anti-social "personalities", NOT occasional anti-social behavior.

While it is true, that children form a great deal of their "view of the world" and thus the patterns they exhibit throughout this life from their parents, an anti-social personality did NOT become one from a poor THIS life environment.  Even the most abused, unloved SOCIAL personality will not become an ANTI-social personality in ONE/THIS lifetime.

Ergo, a TRUE anti-social personality arrives into THIS life, AS an anti-social personality.  After many many lifetimes of going further and further down the spiral into darkness.

Which makes all the modern psycho-babble completely meaningless with an anti-social personality.
But WORKABLE with a social personality.

So, when I mentioned teaching young children, as in nursery school, I was pointing to observing LOTS of young children over time.  It is highly possible that in observing ONE nursery/kindergarten class you would not see an anti-social child BECAUSE the percentage of TRUE anti-social personalities are only about 2% of the entire population.  Also, a true anti-social personality is not necessarily apparent, but extremely covert and one tends to think it's the person yelling and making a fuss who is "anti-social" when in fact, it's the quiet one prodding him or her - behind the scenes.

But...all this said...we concur about 9/10th of what you wrote.  And thank you for clarifying you were speaking of the handling of entities, not physical anti-social people.

However, my main point which you clarified two posts of yours ago, was to point out to others reading this not to mess with entities.  Don Juan cautions this as do many others.  And you did as well.  So thanks.

One thing...I think mentioning about "time will tell, if I'm a spinner...blah blah blah" is the type of comment best omitted.  Why?  It elicits "reactions" as in BBs post to you - which further elicits reactions from others like...oh gag me with a spoon <grin>and so the emotional roller-coaster continues.

One of the hardest lessons I am learning is how to communicate without pushing buttons - it's nearly impossible, BUT I find I'm getting better IF I stalk my motives HARD.  (ie. am I trying to get sympathy? empathy? irritate someone?  make someone obliquely wrong?  etc).

Thanks again for your communication.

Christine B.

I believe you are correct when you say that we are stronger when we can admit (omit?) that negative gives birth to the positive as you wrote, though is this not a question of perspective also? a question of duality, and the dualistic world we live in? insofar as we perceive this as being negative, when in the wider perspective, if the average human being knew beyond a doubt that he/she was infinite, then negative to positive is seen as the completion and start of cycles and that all is experience whether positive or negative? Is it the average human beings fear of their own death that paints an event within their lives as positive or negative in effect? afterall a negative event for one person can be a positive event for another.

I think a time comes when a person asks questions that answer themselves. This is a sign of intuitive strength in a person. Therefore I have no urge to add to your thoughts (for now). I might want to add that I believe all light-workers at this time have lived brutal incarnations as humans, basically commiting every crime imagineable. That is because we light-workers, we study our TRUE assignment the best way possible: By being the enemy. By being the dark, we learn the dark. By learning the dark, we understand the dark, and by understanding the dark, we can overcome it when the time comes to do so. This is why some of us may share phobias from heights, certain insects, etc. These are connected to the ways we met our deaths in previous lives.

Highly important. I have been reflecting on this in the past two days (12:11AM). The ego is subsiding. I'm very happy to observe this in my character as I've always connected the ego with the negative thirsts that arise from the control triggers within our programming.

I think a person who says such a thing can only be described as a light-worker. From your posts I've had nothing but positive thoughts in regards to your character and your intentions. You have my vote.

Check out the thread at http://montalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=221

I might have to research that statement before I answer. Our favourite colours may be important. The ones we chose as children. Mine is RED and I believe it is because it is in our blood, that the cells with safe-storaged information reside. I was surprised for you to bring up the colour topic so close to my decision of posting in regards to it.

That beings stem from the light, for me at least, has been born out through reading in many texts that it was so, and then experiencing it as so, although I fully see where you are coming from.
I have always equated with light with Unconditional Love - the Prime Creator.

I believe you are correct when you say that we are stronger when we can admit (omit?) that negative gives birth to the positive as you wrote, though is this not a question of perspective also? a question of duality, and the dualistic world we live in? insofar as we perceive this as being negative, when in the wider perspective, if the average human being knew beyond a doubt that he/she was infinite, then negative to positive is seen as the completion and start of cycles and that all is experience whether positive or negative? Is it the average human beings fear of their own death that paints an event within their lives as positive or negative in effect? afterall a negative event for one person can be a positive event for another.

I am not 100% sure about colours but does white light not contain all colours?

I think the whole issue of judgement is a very fine line to tread which is what I was hoping to point out - we live in a dualistic reality, thus value judgements. We do all have preferences, wishes and desires.

My understanding is that judgement is mostly first about self (ego), which is then projected onto others, projection being mainly a defence mechanism of ego. Nothing wrong with ego, but plenty disturbing with ego that dominates the individual which is not what it is supposed to do.

When higher faculties are enlivened, ego starts to fade away and thus judgement starts to fade away. This leads to a more unified way of seeing events and thus people in ones life. It is not a process of logically not-judging, it simply happens and is a blessing.

You wrote "But there are an equal number of those in the dark that prefer manipulation via chaos and vampiristic methods".

Yes they do because this is all they have learnt and for them it is normal - but it does not remove the fact that they originally stemmed from the light and over time, have largely become devoid of light.

Great threads so far and all very fruitful - it has been challenging for me to answer some of these and I am grateful.

I hope that time will tell whether I am a spinner of disinformation and manipulative installer of guilt.

Warmest regards

JT

Your descriptions are refreshing. You are definately a unique individual in regards to your outlook.

It's great to look at it this way, but isn't this a preference of perspective? Can't this sentence be reversed to also that say all light stems from the dark? Is it really important to state that all things root from the light? I think objectively speaking, the negative gives birth to the positive and vice-versa. For those who are of the light, it is important to understand that their perspective is biased to prefer the light. But there are an equal number of those in the dark that prefer manipulation via chaos and vampiristic methods. This is natural for them just like networking via uncorrupted information is to light-workers.

I just think it's important to omit that we are biased when we say things like that. I think we gain a much stronger ground when we admit this and understand that pain gives birth to pleasure. Everything is necessary. If we took away the dark, the light would cease to exist.

I guess that's pretty obvious 99% of the readers on this board, but I thought it important to state it again.

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In regards to children: When we are birthed into physical bodies, (1) amnesia occurs which is basically "formatting" of our immediate memories. It is not deleted but rather stored in our cells. (2) We begin physical existence transitioning from states-of-awareness. We begin at Delta, transition to Theta (languages and primary psychological systems etc), transition to Alpha (infancy to young children/teens) and then as we transition towards Adulthood, we tend to focus on Beta.

Notice that in adult-life we access these states in the reverse order.

Now this connects to why it is important for parents to show love and light to their children at these precious times. Damaging effects can occur from lack of. The child may have the ability/strength to break these negative effects later on in life, but nonetheless it would be very beneficial for parents to avoid these planted obstacles in the first place. They are unaware as they are only looping through the same cycle of parent/child that they grew up from.

I believe we are all composed of light-matter and dark-matter, literally. The more karma we hold and problematic programming, the more dark substance we have. The more karma we alleviate, the more white substance enters our bodies. This follows the teachings of Falun Gong/Dafa. People who pursue lives of bettering themselves, are pursueing symbolically the life of exerting out black substance and therefore opening that space for white substance. People who do this clear up their energy blockages and even the third-eye opens up given dedication, discipline and perseverance. Again, I know many here already know these things and I apologize if it's boring.

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Rather we want to have the information on the table so that we can simply be aware. Most of us, light-workers, need to realize that life is like sailing through an ocean of knowledge, experience, and people that is powered by the discernment of our mind-intent (the wind). Whatever assumptions we hold that are not true have effects on our course in life. Obstacles hit us, signs that we are in need to learn specific lessons that we are blind to. If we didn't have false assumptions, we would sail exactly to our desires and goals.

I can't speak for everyone, but I judge here on the forum so that I gain the knowledge + awarness to discern my sails to the path I desire. I do not intend to hit the same obstacles twice. That is stagnation on the learning curve. Stagnation to our progress and stagnation to our purpose.

Some may do this. But they will hit obstacles if they judge prematurely and inaccurately. No one is perfect. Some will be wise right from the bat (which indicates past life successful learning) while others will need time to make mistakes. Learning to be aware doesn't necessarily mean this type of ignorance will occur, but it may.

Perhaps JT. But maybe not. It depends on the person and their views. If they can observe themselves, they can not make such mistakes. We can't assume such things. Everyone has a different accumulation of experiences. It is good for you to bring this up, because even that could allow some of us to NOT make such mistakes and set ourselves adrift to illusions and their consequences (ie. obstacles).

There are many different modes of attack for adamics. Some may be dark-beings intending to simply distract light-workers from transmuting their very bodies into light-bodies. If this occurs and the dark-beings fail, the amount of knowledge that is released into this person can have detrimental effects on the dark-elements on this planet (hence the Golden Age). The domino effect of one exalted being can make a difference that is very complex, yet very vital to the entire Universe. One person can have effects on many. Many can have effects everything. Now some people who have these diverting-tactics in their purpose may be OP's, or possessed adamics, or whatever. It doesn't matter. It matters for us to be able to be aware and discern from one mode to the other. If we judge by assumptions, there lies our mistakes. But if we are aware and observe, the truth will always reveal itself.

Yes I agree. But we have the free-will to avoid what we wish to avoid. That which is not of our frequency resonance vibration, has no value to us except to be aware of. Being aware of it is accepting it. Anything more is not the responsibility of one individual. We can only care for ourselves and be aware of the vibration we emit. Once we do this, the effects we have electromagnetically to everything we come across will lead us to further our progress on the learning curve.

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You bring up good points. But we are all learning here and if we keep an open-mind and set our purpose to that of gaining awareness rather than assumptions, we are sailing to our marked paths.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Namaste.

(Edited some mistakes but I'll leave the rest alone)

This is the second post that I have apologised on :-D due to the fact that the way I come over in a post is somehow provocative, or my pace, phrase or syntax not appropriate - so my apologies as this is really not my intention.

I have the highest respect for all pioneers here, whether I agree with them or not - I am here to learn and to pass on what I have learnt.

I see all these posts as healthy debate, and at times people will have different opinions or communicate improperly or are misunderstood, which then requires further clarification of the original point - more so because there is no body language or similar to interpret.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the anti-socialism of young children - I have not taught at Kindergarten, but my daughter is still at Kindergarten and it is amazing to watch the group dynamics at play. Though as far as I am concerned a childs anti-socialism is everything to do with the childs Primary Authority Figures in life, be it parents, grandparents or Kindergarten teachers.

It has been demonstrated enough times the most formative age for a child is from 1-6 years old, though they are still highly impressionable from 6 yrs old to adulthood.
Children learn from these authority figures in life what it is to be a human being and how to act in any number of circumstances and they also learn through a process of enculteration in the wider society and from the media.

Something about the fathers sins being vested upon the sons comes to mind but I hope you see where I am coming from.

Many of the mistakes that parents pass on to their children are incredibly subtle forms of manipulation and ways of being and are completely unatural - do you see jealousy, hate and humiliation taking place in nature?

One of the core things that parents do is the "witholding of love" insofar as - "If you dont do the following I will withold my love" (implied) and this is used as a primary carrot and stick discipline technique, which can be very damaging to a child at such a young age. Where families or parents are dysfunctional, which many are to varying degrees then the child learns these methods accordingly.

Earlier in this post when I have spoken of dealing with anti-social personalities I am speaking purely on the non physical level - sorry for any confusion - I agree with Montalk and most of you in general with regards to how generally to deal with such personalities in the physical although I maintain these are mainly a) temporary measures and b) OPs and the like are attracted to individuals due to the individuals own negative resonance fields.

I do happen to think that many cases, of anti-socialism in the physical are remote controlled, that is to say by entities in other dimensions, and excessively so by those that demonstrate severe OP symptoms.

When someone is overtired, stressed, has a lack of food they are also at their most susceptible to the entities I have already mentioned which will "amplify" and existing Negative Resonance Field.

I am definately not suggesting you violate anyones freewill when you choose to ignore anti-social people in your life, be they OPs or not.

However when removing an entity from the energy body there has to be a freewill choice made by the entity to go to the light - they cannot be forced to go there.
If they end up anywhere else apart from the light, then they may have been successfully removed from the afflicted person, BUT they are free again to roam the astral, attach themselves to the next unwilling victim in the physical, and this perpetuates the problem. Apart from that the Negative Resonance Field needs to be resolved or one is open to further abuse from different entities at a later date.

So yes - there is a significant d ­fference as to how one deals with an "anti-social" in the physical and how one can deal with an "anti-social" in the non-physical - BUT -  I just dont happen to see them as disconnected phenomena - I see them as connected phenomena.

The anti-social in the hyperdimensions controls the anti-social in the physical dimensions - ie Remote Control.

If I am wrong, about anything that I have written about so far, then I gladly will take this on board and continue to learn - it is far important to me to increase my knowledge, than it is to maintain a defensive stance over my opinions just to save my ego from some loss of face - If I choose to remain locked into my opinion, irrespective of logic and common sense that demonstrates otherwise, then all I am doing is caving in to another "unreal fear".

And this is why I made the post.

Regards

JT

Edited for clarity.

a) all beings originally stem from the light, irrespective of dark they have become or not.

I agree, and think / hope that this is the case. 

Sorry, don't agree with you here.   Here's where there seems to be a slight disinformation spin happening.   You say a bunch of good stuff, then, slip in this whole bit about "Some degrees of darkness / slight psychopathic tendancies are ok" -- which if fine, okay, whatever, BUT -- you then take that and use it to try to make us be accepting of these demons for (supposedly) being just extreme versions of ourselves.    THAT'S where I disagree with you.    On top of it, the way to get away with saying such things is the follow it immediately with that whole "noone has the right to judge anyone!" tactic, which you employed.   That's a manipulative tactic designed to instill guilt, to ensure that nobody here disagrees with you and if they do, they will be made to feel guilty for "judging" others.   

You judge people every day, all the time, and don't tell me you don't.   Everytime you meet someone new you form some sort of judgement about that person, good or bad, based on their appearance, behavior, and the vibe they give off to you.  You decide either right then and there or later down the line whether you will choose to keep that person in your life, and that decision is based on a judgement.  So how is that any different from "judging" those to be trouble makers, energy drainers, and time wasters, then removing them from your life?   We all judge in some form or another.  It's the way of life here in 3rd.   We're placed in a position where we have to constantly judge the people around us because we've essentially been tossed together in this zoo, forced to navigate our way around.   If you don't judge and make judgments / assessments of the people you are forced to share space with, you can / will become prey.  And as we all know...........allowing yourself to be prey is in itself, STS.   

You seem to be advocating keeping the trouble making, energy draining, time wasting people in our lives out of fear of "Separation", "division", "judgemental rationals", and because "we're all a part of the light!"    Yes, we are all children of the light, but there's your disinformation twist, yet again..........start out telling us something that's true, ie, we're all of the Light, then twist that around for a fallacious conclusion, ie, "therefore, don't separate yourselves".    X!  Wrong.

So, separation..........?   Absolutely.    Remove trouble making, energy draining, time wasting, resource sucking influences from your life.   Whether these influences are in fact "OP's", or "soulless" or just wounded souled people isn't the issue.   The fact is,  if they cause trouble and suck your time and energy, get rid of them.   BUH bye.   This has already clearly been stated multiple times here, so I'm not sure what part of that isn't making sense. 

And just to be totally clear here, I don't advocate hate, anger, genocide, persecution, or purposely "going after" someone for being negative or troublesome.   Just firmly remove these negative influences out of your life because they will drag you down and suck your energy and time.    If you don't agree or understand this, then I don't know what else to tell you at this point. 

Not with me there isn't.   And I don't see that with anybody else here, so, really, speak for yourself.

Not with me.   Not sure about the others, so again you really have to speak for yourself here.

Okay......................I can't argue with you here because you could very well be right, although, you can't presume to know the behaviors of over 6 billion people on the planet, you just can't.   But regardless, I'm sure many of us have been less than stellar in our actions at some point.   I know I have, I admit it totally.   HOWEVER......what I have a problem with is how you take this assessment and then use it to try to slip in the agenda that we should all cut the demons a little slack.   THAT I don't aree with.   It's taking something with a bit of truth and twisting it around.

Sorry, but this is nuts.    An entity who doesn't respect YOUR freewill by attaching itself to you against your will doesn't doesn't get a "choice".     If somebody came up to you in public and suddenly latched themselves onto your leg, or clamped their teeth down on your arm and didn't let go would you "engage in dialogue" and "ask" them to leave???   "I'm sorry sir, but could you kindly remove your teeth from my arm, it smarts....."

"NO!"

"I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to ask you again to please detach yourself from my arm sir, this can't be very healthy sir........"

"NO!!"

"Alright, well, um, okay, let's discuss this then sir, maybe we can work out a deal......"

Or would you just detach them from you?!?!   "Get off my arm!"

Same thing.   

I don't know, that's just how I'm seeing it here.

In rereading your last post I can see that the main thrust of your post was to illustrate what you found to be seperative behavior with regards to the OP thread/discussion.

I have to agree with you on that to this degree:  while I am unsure of OP's as a "fact", I am open to their existence.  I am sure of anti-social personalities as a fact (to me). Yet,  I am, as you are, leery and cautious about calling anyone this or that...and thusly treating them disdainfully.

I believe that too few people, myself included at times, are able to be so detached from their own buttons to be able to really determine if someone is an OP or anti-social.

It's all to easy to say:  he treated me poorly, his abused me as a boss, he's anti-social.  Wash my hands of my responsibility and bye bye.

That said, I believe, again it comes back again to discernment.  And is not judgmental. 

Buddha said it is better to walk alone, than walk with fools.

Is this not a judgment that some are fools?

Same I think could be said for walking with OPs or the anti-social.  But, first one must be able to tell who is who.

Or must I  become so politically correct that I  must embrace those who would (at this POINT, in their existence) do everything they could to STOP me from walking?

Christine B.

e) that one is not born a psychopath, and most people if not all demonstrate, or have demonstrated psychopathic tendencies in their lives and are mostly blind to the fact that they continue to do so to some degree or another.

I'm not sure that I agree with this.  There are, sadly, some who are born psychopaths or anti-social (which I am equating as words for simplicity sake).  If you've ever taught a group of children, as in nursery school, you will have experienced that some young kids show anti-social behavior that is amazing at such a young age.  They have siblings who are very social, so one cannot "blame" their parents or environment.

Perhaps when you say "born" you mean at the first spark of existence?  Then perhaps, I would agree with your statement.

As for most of us demonstrating psychopathic behavior in our lives, I believe that Tom has covered this already, but to add my two bits...I've met no one this lifetime who is perfect.  Therefore, those times they/me/you are less than perfect I suppose it would be psychotic behavior (anything that is contrary to optimum survival).  To say that this means we have "tendencies" is to discount the discipline MOST people exhibit and therefore do not fall into behaving in a psychotic way.

An anti-social personality is quite a different thing to someone who at times, under stress, lack of food/sleep, behaves poorly or even very badly.  An anti-social personality behaves overtly or covertly badly ALL the time.  This doesn't mean they cannot ACT as if they are a nice person.

I learned the extremely hard way that engaging in dialogue with an anti-social personality in the HOPES that if I am nice and kind, funny or not, they will like me and therefore not try to hurt me, my business, my family or whatever is pointless.  The anti-social personality sadly, very sadly, does NOT respond to kindness, treatment, therapy.  And trying to engage them, will only drain me.

Better to be fully aware of the characteristics of this personality - be it "in the flesh" or an entity...so that I can not be lulled into thinking they have my best interests at heart.  They do not.

They are parasitic - and as any parasite feed off their host to the extreme detriment of the host.

I prefer to not be a host.

If this is STS, so be it.  That is the way this realm appears to be rigged.  But, if I err on the side of not being a willing host, perhaps I gain on the side of being ALIVE so that I might be able to communicate to those who WANT to get better, become more awake and help others.

I must say JT, that when you say things like "How anyone chooses to filter and perceive this material is entirely their own choice" comes across as still very make wrongy.  There is actually no need for that caveat of yours.  We are all here in agreement that we make our own choices.

Let's see if we can do the UNUSUAL on a message board and NOT get into - you wrong, I'm right.
You icky, me smart.

This would be the miracle perhaps all of us would welcome.

It's a question, I believe, in pacing, phrasing and syntax which can come across very harshly and forceful or gently but with conviction.

I've observed Tom's interaction which at times blows my mind (sorry Tom to bring up the age bit but holy moly) at how wise he can be so young, how he speaks with conviction, isn't namby-pamby
but won't allow certain elements onto the board.  It's very inspirational and something I strive for.

I have very little REAL understanding of freewill as practiced by 4D and higher beings.  I do not believe we in 3D have a real inkling of freewill.  It's not the simple - do I wear a red dress or blue one.  Do I let him get hit by the car or do I yell "watch out". 

So, for me to say that I violate the freewill of someone when I chose to exclude him/her from my life before I consult with their desire to be removed from my life...gosh, I just don't know.

BUT, it just doesn't have a ring of sanity or truth to me. 

More to learn, no doubt.

Christine B.

The points that I have been trying to make all along are:

a) all beings originally stem from the light, irrespective of dark they have become or not.

a1) If not then we have to accept that some degrees of darkness are ok and some are not - that only slight psychopathic tendencies are ok, but fully psycopathic is not ok, and I cannot sign up to this - it is judgemental and noone has the right to judge anyone.

I fully support methods of generating knowledge and awareness as as a means of defence for those that attract such people into their lives, even if this is only a temporary measure. The attraction will often happen due to negative resonance fields and various entities attached and amplifying these fields, thus I have covered very superficially SRT in order to make this point.

b) much of the thread relating to the matter of OP's leads to increased seperateness and wholly judgemental rationals.

c) that there is a tendency to see OPs around every corner

d) that discernment is not being effectively practiced leading to increasing illusion and the consequences thereof.

e) that one is not born a psychopath, and most people if not all demonstrate, or have demonstrated psychopathic tendencies in their lives and are mostly blind to the fact that they continue to do so to some degree or another.

By including this thread I was my hope to illustrate further some of these points.

In no way am I suggesting that anyone, without the correct training and experience even tries to deal with entities on their own and the material provided does not provide anyone with a means of doing so.

How anyone chooses to filter and perceive this material is entirely their own choice.

Finally: The need for "dialogue" and giving the entity a choice respects Freewill - removal of of entities by any means that does not repect Freewill is STS and this I cannot condone

Regards

JT