Hi,

Kundalini in my experience is not a "reptillian" energy.

Everybody has kundalini flowing up and down their energy systems every day of the week in small quantities. The reservoir where the energy sits can be tapped, and the flow increased.

If this flow increases it will power through all chakras and out through the crown. If the energy body has not been refined and cleared of blockages, negative energies and such like then the end result is that all of this "baggage" is exposed in one go and it is a very harrowing ongoing experience. Circuits become very quickly overloaded. Its a bit like plugging a 120 Volt tool into a 240 Volt system.

Not to bump an old thread, but this is what I think happens when I experience one of my "anxiety attacks".  They are never full-blown, and to get rid of them, I usually remember who is in control.  As of late, I've just been telling myself not to fear, and that seems to totally smooth it over.  I remember reading about this kundalini energy and thinking, for some reason, if that was the reason for these attacks.  The experience was, once taking away all the "baggage", so to speak, it was really just a rush of energy.  Also, I read that people who exhibit this energy tend to spark it in others, which is precisely what I observe in people I deal with.

montalk wrote: "There must be a difference between energy and intelligence - maybe intelligence is what modulates or filters energy and is activated by it?"

Interesting question, listen to what the Bringers said about spinning in what you posted in other topic:

"This tremendously accelerates the spinning of the chakra systems inside your body, which tremendously accelerates the rate at which you can interpret and receive data."

I define intelligence as the rate at which I can interpret and recieve data.
So to me what they are saying is that spinning the chakras increases your intelligence.
And in the same thread I posted how, according to the Tibetans, this spinning effects the crown chakra.
So now I wonder If intelligence is contained in the crown,and if intelligence is a fragment of the creative force.  A higher vibration.
Isnt the crown being defined as the energy center that has an influence on all the lower centers?

So if intelligence is in the crown, wouldnt the aspect of the rate at which the lower chakras interpret and recieve data be effected by the creative force first entering the crown and the aspect of intelligence that expresses there.?

I know Elias mentions energy centers at a higher vibration than the crown.
Another question: does each energy center have an infuence over the ones below it?
ill have to look into this some more I think.:)

Your other question: I suppose both experiences would be equal, whether you did it through an exercise or had an experience where a certain energy is expressed. I think both ways are basically accomplishing the same thing. Even if the objective experience might  be a little different, this is just different means to the same end . Two sides of the same coin Im thinking.

heh, this thread is an exercise and experience in our intelligence.
heres a kinda riddle i just invented-  What is more intelligent than figuring out intelligence with intelligence?

Boris Mouravieff wrote a great deal about the various manifestations of love in his three books (Gnosis, volumes I, II, and III), how there are different manifestations of love depending on how many "filters" it goes through. The purest form of love streams from the Creator itself, and is what allows existence to "exist". According to the Cassiopaeans, it is this level of love that our sexual centers (solar plexus chakra) is in direct contact with and thereby draws its sexual energy from to sustain our metaphysical functions. From there, the energy flows to other centers as directed by circumstance or choice.

Lower levels of love (those with more filtering) include Christ-love and carnal love. The latter is necessary for the perpetuation/evolution of physical life, while Christ-love is necessary for the spiritual evolution of life.  So, one basic energy with different manifestations depending on filtering.

There must be a difference between energy and intelligence - maybe intelligence is what modulates or filters energy and is activated by it?

Another thing Mouravieff talked about was that love is the basic emotion, and all other emotions are various distortions upon it. So each thought pattern would filter and distort this basic emotion to give rise to other emotions. Take basic love of all, and filter this through a thought pattern of selfishness and survival, and then you may get the emotion of hatred against those who threaten your survival - for example.

This shows that sexual energy can be diverted away from expression as physical libido and toward things other than higher creative functions. So if you're stressed, paranoid, angry, etc... that would be sexual energy filtering through the negative halves of the intellectual and emotional centers. It's still a creative energy, but perhaps applied toward destructive ends.

Well put, and this shows a good way to make use of sexual energy: toward higher forms of creation. If you send energy up through your higher centers, then it would make sense that these centers would grow or alternately, the energy conduits between your 3D self and these higher centers would multiply and strengthen.

Actually, this brings up a good question: it's obvious that using your higher abilities helps develop them. That's basically sending energy into your higher centers.  Now, what is the difference between sending energy into your higher centers via creative/inventive/learning acts, and doing a meditation exercise where you merely visualize sending energy into those higher chakras? Are both equivalent?

As for "love", love is simply a name for the creative force. I think in our realm the concept has been distorted and people only use the word in terms of romantic and sexual relationships. Love would actually be the creation of an open, sharing relationship (as opposed to our society's monogamous relationships where jealousy and possessiveness dominate), or an openness to creating a child. Love also manifests as the desire to preserve life, in order to preserve a creation. But really, you are manifesting "love" every time you create, every time you cook a meal or draw a picture or dream a fantasy. Love is simply the opposite of destruction and separateness.

for instance, could it be filtered through the center of emotional love and the center for sexual impulse, creative desire, and manifest as love for sex, or as sex equals love?

Nonetheless, pure energy does express through the speciific center, and its expression is called a certain type of fragmented energy, such as sex, such as emotions.

The kundalini exercise is an exercise dealing with that specific fragmented energy, that tone.  It makes you more aware of that specific energy. Just as if you were to do an exercise dealing with a higher vibrational energy center, you would tap into that type of fragmented energy, and have a more objective understanding of it.  And what would you call it, just energy? or intelligence?

But it can also instead be utilized by the higher centers for higher types of creation. For example, instead of creating a child, you can create a brain-child, which is sexual energy expressed on the intellectual rather than physical level.

Any creative act requires sexual energy, but sexual energy in itself merely embodies the archetype of creation and nothing more. In other words, by the time you feel a physical sexual urge, sexual energy has already been diverted to the lower centers.

The more time you spend creating on a higher level, the more sexual energy is diverted to the higher centers and thus the lower the physical expression of sexual energy. Some religions advocate the repression of physical sexual energy rather than its transmutation through diversion to the higher centers, which only causes the energy to build until it ruptures in perverted ways.

As for kundalini, premature awakening is associated with spontaneous human combustion and insanity. How? For the same reason that too much resistance in a wire cause it to heat up when current is pumped through, and that a circuit will malfunction if it's given more current than it can handle.

Simply doing kundalini raising exercises won't improve the energy circuits and conduits of your body, so when you do turn on the switch prematurely it won't be fun. From what I gather, kundalini energy is what happens when the sexual center (the chakra that draws in raw sexual energy from the universe) is turned on full blast and connected directly to all the centers of your body.

The caveat is this: any center connected to this energy which has imbalances will express the energy in an unbalanced way, hence the insanity and emotional destabilization risk. But even more important is this: the Ra material explains that the crown chakra, or the violet ray energy as Ra calls it, can only be balanced as a sum total balance of all the other chakras, which can only be achieved through direct spiritual evolution and progress. In other words, meditation, energy work, ritual, and visualization alone won't accomplish this because those are merely conditioning rather than evolving mechanisms.

So I don't think there is any shortcut for using activated kundalini energy in an ideal manner. Any premature attempts will either channel this energy into unbalanced centers, or else will only cause a trickle of kundalini to flow.

But many people who are into the kundalini raising stuff are only in it for the experience, so if they get a trickle of energy activating their lower centers, along with all sorts of interesting sensations and random telekinetic phenomena, then they're happy. Sort of like peeing on an electric fence, if you think about it.

Very good word 'narcissism'.

-Excessive admiration of oneself.
-psychoanalysis; an arresting development at, or regression to, the infantile stage of development in which ones own body is the object of erotic interest.

fits well into the conversation

So should you admire yourself? but not to much? You wouldnt want to think too highly of yourself.?  Is the proper attitude to have: I am O.K. but not great? Im not special, but im not dirt.
And what will happen to me if im narcissistic? Will I fall crazy in love with myself, will I think that Im the best there ever was.
I say yes you will, because you create that reality for yourself.

In the realm of sexual narcissism. Is there a fine line between having sex and being a nympho?  Is there something wrong with nympho-mania?

And I think if we are having a disagreement, its over what I term to be actual reality, and what you term to be hypothetical.

And, I am offering info,Im making a point ,that to me, seems to be elaborating on the nature of kundalini, and a perspective showing how this "energy" manifests in the range of sexual and emotional.  The physical and communicating.  The primal energy and how it expresses.  Look at the posts about the "negative" experiences. Are  emotional problems not being expressed there?, and Im not the only one who calls this energy sexual.

  Sex is natural, There is nothing 'wrong', with it.  Is it a sin to indulge in sex?

Agreed, hence the value of designing your own system/reality as even the best system ever will not be YOURS and can therefore be restrictive for YOU.

May I ask what the intent of capitolizing you and yours here means?

The point here is that there is no system which works 'all'. No one piece of the 'all' should have absolute dominance over the rest of 'all'. Because that would require 'all' to be 'all alone'. In the sense of "just me me me me me ad infinitum".

Which every source of intellectual progress that I've encountered is what is usually called 'narcisism'.

Torarota: "Feel free to continue spilling your vital energy everywhere! I am sure there are a billion and one entities impatiently waiting for your next offering."

I dont live in fear of what other entities are doing.  And besides I have more than enough energy, sooo...

Ok. However in terms of vital energy (which is not what people commonly refer to as "energy" as in "He has so much energy!") you must know that there is not such a thing as enough. Just to clear any possible confusion: more vital energy doesn't results in somebody staying up all night for ex., as this would in my eyes, be an energy imbalance, more (vital) energy means increased psychic abilities, increased control over one's own emotions, actions, thoughts, increased health, alertness, but in a calm, centered manner as opposed to "having lots of energy"...once again this is just to clear any possible misunderstanding. So, once you get into a habit of transmutting sexual energy (by letting it reach higher centres/chakras) it becomes obvious that using it for pure pleasure generating is a waste.

Absolutely, however if you read again you will see that I was referring to an (hypothetical) reality which would somehow be independant from Universal Laws. At our level we are only able to create within the limits of Universal Laws...It was gratuitious metaphysical rambling.

This quote, especially the "allow themselves" part sounds to me that your spooky friend is also of the advice that 'letting the energy be sexual in nature' is only one option (a cop out, in my eyes!).

I said: What I'm saying...!

Torarota:  "I am sure it is possible to design your own personal Universe but that is not quite at our level!"

You design every aspect of your reality,  But this may be a deep topic maybe worthy of its own thread

Torarota:"Once again, Kundalini energy is neither related to sexual organs or reptilians. Energy is energy. Naming it "sexual energy" is a way to avoid transmuting it into something useful and indulge."

Sure, energy is energy, but cmon, it expresses in unique ways that you have to call something.

"ANJULI: Is this why sometimes in some of the kundalini beliefs and expressions of experiences beings had, sexuality was sometimes used – and I experienced it, too – for an energy burst and an expansion? You feel the red and the orange energy center, and then it feels like lots of light going into all cells or what.

ELIAS: Yes, this is a method that individuals incorporate to allow themselves more of an objective familiarity with these types of energies that you naturally generate, which are translated within your physical reality in association with the design of your physical reality and its base elements of sexuality and emotion, the physical and the communicating."

Torarota: "Feel free to continue spilling your vital energy everywhere! I am sure there are a billion and one entities impatiently waiting for your next offering."

I dont live in fear of what other entities are doing.  And besides I have more than enough energy, sooo...

What im saying Tarotoa, is that if you believe your reality to be the best, what do you have to compare it to

NO!!!! I never said such a thing. Maybe you are projecting? I have enough work on my plate filling up my own gaps without having to get involved in a "mine is bigger than yours" competiton.
The 'best' reality would in my eyes be one without gaps. Complexity is not as important as it being gap-less. A reality must, one way or another be linked to (or  be permeable to) Universal Laws. I am sure it is possible to design your own personal Universe but that is not quite at our level!

as well as

Once again, Kundalini energy is neither related to sexual organs or reptilians. Energy is energy. Naming it "sexual energy" is a way to avoid transmuting it into something useful and indulge. Feel free to continue spilling your vital energy everywhere! I am sure there are a billion and one entities impatiently waiting for your next offering.

I'd be tempted to agree even on a philosophical basis. Some old french guy wrote a fable called "the tortoise and the hare", but I am sure there are many such words of wisdom about the dangers of rushing through a process as opposed to experiencing it fully.

Let's try building a house but instead of doing it the normal way we gonna build it very, very quickly using all the things that are left lying around here so we can put on the roof by this evening and sit down and watch the 7 o'clock news.

Kundalini in my experience is not a "reptillian" energy.

Everybody has kundalini flowing up and down their energy systems every day of the week in small quantities. The reservoir where the energy sits can be tapped, and the flow increased.

If this flow increases it will power through all chakras and out through the crown. If the energy body has not been refined and cleared of blockages, negative energies and such like then the end result is that all of this "baggage" is exposed in one go and it is a very harrowing ongoing experience. Circuits become very quickly overloaded. Its a bit like plugging a 120 Volt tool into a 240 Volt system.

If you "work" on yourself using breathwork such a pranayama supported with meditation then over time a lot of baggage in the energy system will clear and Kundalini will start to increase the flow of its own accord - ie, as and when the system is more or less ready.

If one does certain advanced breathing techniques specifically to raise Kundalini without first doing the "basics" then its "welcome to hell on earth". This happened in part to a very good friend of mine in the UK, and I watched him and his family fall apart mentally, emotionally and physically. The "stuff" that was manifesting around him 24/7 was horrendous, believe me, I witnessed this on many occasions.Two years later he is gradually starting to have a degree of normality in his life.

An excellent book to inform yourselves is "Living with Kundalini" by Gopi Krishna. There are many people jumping on the "kundalini" bandwagon and giving very poor and dubious advice on the whole.

Warm regards

JT

http://www.kundalini.se/eng/engkni_1024.html?shit.html

Click on the menu for other stories. I think the webmaster of this site is more paranoid than necessary (he believes even meditation is harmful) but it's an interesting read nonetheless if you use discernement.