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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Stock Market]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I like the upbeat tone!&nbsp; Here&#039;s to manifesting future possibility!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wandering1]]></name>
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			<updated>2004-05-12T23:05:27Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Telepathy would be more efficient and less controllable <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ermolai]]></name>
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			<updated>2004-05-12T19:46:08Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>hopefully we won&#039;t need it by then... <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[cameron]]></name>
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			<updated>2004-05-12T17:03:43Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I personally think that the Internet will survive a 2005 stock market collapse.&nbsp; I think that eventually there will also be an Internet collapse.&nbsp; Perhaps in 2010 or so.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2004-05-12T15:06:27Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Do you think the Internet will survive the collapse?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ermolai]]></name>
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			<updated>2004-05-12T14:53:38Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the big collapse could come in the next few months.&nbsp; I&#039;m inclined to follow Sean David Morton&#039;s lead (he&#039;s an intuitive with a stock trends track record) and say that there will likely be a stock market decline this summer/fall, and then a recovery, and then the big collapse will be in fall 2005.</p><p>By the way, a big decline in fall 2005 would roughly co-incide with the beginning of a 7 year period until Dec 2012.&nbsp; That may be the 7 years of Tribulation referred to by some people who make biblical prophecy interpretations.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2004-05-12T14:48:18Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Youri. There are many reasons the stock market should collapse this summer. One is rising interest rates, another is rising gas and oil prices. Compare the price of gasoline to the state of the economy - you&#039;ll see a near perfect correlation between the two, separated by a time lag factor. You can virtually predict what the economy will do by looking at current gas prices. Higher the price, deeper the upcoming recession.</p><p>Both high interest rates and oil prices knock the wind out of economic expansion, which creates psychological insecurity, which leads to stock dumping. Factor in the (manufactured) instability in Iraq, and investors get antsy. The stock market is just a barometer of the mass psychology, not the actual state of the economy. Sooner or later people panic when fantasy begins to meet reality and that&#039;s when the bubble bursts. But we know the stock market and economy are manipulated anyway, so ultimately this is just the powers that be reaping their harvest by cutting our wallets in two with their scythes. </p><p>Who knows...if the economic situation becomes a blazing crisis, the presidential elections might have to postponed indefinitely.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2004-05-12T13:13:32Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Stock Market]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>For those interested, the stock market is in a very bad technical position and may be about to collapse. </p><p>Below is a funny, but very deep comment, might be a bit technical for some but the fundamental ideas are there.</p><p>For those at the low vibratory level still (as myself) do yourslef a favour by not buying any stock or mutual funds and consider selling some profits you may have. This may accelerate very badly.</p><p>Hope it helps and wishing you all well</p><p>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>From Daily Reckoning, May 10, 2004:</p><p>Ursus interruptus. Ursus recommensus. </p><p>The financial press is full of the usual gibberish. What<br />company is beating expectations... which mutual fund is<br />outperforming its sector... how Alan Greenspan is managing<br />the economy... </p><p>No one seems to have noticed that Phase II of the Great<br />Bear Market seems to have gotten underway... </p><p>Friday&#039;s drop in the Dow was the least of it. The stock<br />market was in broad, general retreat, with more than 10<br />stocks going down for every one on the rise. </p><p>Now, the Dow sinks back towards 10,000... and no one seems<br />to notice. The two leading companies of Greenspan&#039;s credit<br />bubble - Fannie Mae, which lent the money... and Wal-Mart,<br />which helped consumers spend it - are headed down. And<br />according to Richard Russell, the &#039;Hindenburg Omen&#039; is<br />still operative... Wall Street is in &#039;potential crash<br />mode.&#039; </p><p>Of course, this will not be the first time you&#039;ve heard us<br />say so. We&#039;ve been a little early before... and may be<br />again.</p><p>Still some things are worth expecting all the time, even if <br />they never happen. If you are in bed with your mistress,<br />for example, it is probably a good idea to expect your wife <br />to come through the door at any moment. Likewise, when<br />you&#039;re holding a bevy of very expensive stocks... you might <br />as well believe that every day is the last day of the bull<br />market.</p><p>You will recall that the first &#039;break&#039; in the bull market<br />happened just 4 years ago. But after a quarter century of<br />rising prices, people were not ready to give up the dream<br />of getting something for nothing. They had swallowed Wall<br />Street&#039;s sales pitch: they believed they were &#039;investors,&#039;<br />not gamblers. And they thought that getting something for<br />nothing was not only exactly what they wanted, but what<br />they deserved. Buy a well-diversified group of stocks, they <br />told each other, hold for the long term... and somehow -<br />for some reason they could not explain - they would get<br />rich.</p><p>Of course, it is bunk. Nonsense. Folderol. Flim flam. A<br />scam. The old false shuffle.</p><p>Stocks do not go up over the long run; they go nowhere. Up. <br />Down. Sideways. Nowhere. </p><p>There is no reason a dollar&#039;s worth of earnings should be<br />worth more in the future than it was in the past. Nor will<br />the average company be more valuable. Instead, it will go<br />out of business. Over time, everything degrades, decays and <br />fades away. Sooner or later, all businesses become<br />defunct... and every stock becomes worthless.</p><p>Real investors buy companies, not stocks. As Buffett puts<br />it, they buy good companies at a &quot;fair&quot; price. The little<br />guys - the lumpeninvestoriat - shop for &#039;bargains&#039; and only <br />buy when there are none. That is, they only come into the<br />market at the worst possible time... after the bull market<br />is well advanced. And then, they don&#039;t look for good<br />companies... they look for stocks they think will go up. </p><p>The lumps buy stocks timidly at first. They feel proud to<br />be in the game with Soros, Buffett, and other pros. Then,<br />as more and more of their fellows come in, their confidence <br />mounts. Soon, they are buying stocks brazenly, wantonly...<br />with neither a clue nor a prayer. Real investors,<br />meanwhile, are selling. </p><p>Eventually, the lumps will be knocked out or squeezed out<br />of their positions; then, they will forswear stocks for<br />another quarter century! But after 25 years of rising stock <br />prices, who believes it? </p><p>So, when the break came in 2000, stock buyers weren&#039;t ready <br />to give up. The bear market remained a work in progress...<br />a hesitation... ursus interruptus... </p><p>&#039;Investors&#039; abandoned the Nasdaq, but not the stock market. <br />They merely moved to &#039;safer&#039; sectors. And then, after a<br />suitable interval of mourning for their beloved tech<br />stocks, they were ready for another fling. For thousands of <br />investors, Google comes along at just the right time, just<br />when they were looking for a little excitement.</p><p>The AOL/Time Warner coupling marked the first break...<br />Google&#039;s public offering could very well spice up the<br />second. </p><p>Between the first break and the second was the most<br />aggressive E-Z credit campaign the world has ever seen, the <br />biggest turnaround in federal finances, and the largest<br />run-up in debt. We only mention it to round out the<br />picture. You have heard us discuss these things so often<br />that you must be getting tired of it.</p><p>Still, the trillions in borrowing and spending looked like<br />&#039;growth&#039; to economists; they couldn&#039;t tell the difference.<br />The newspapers were able to print cheery headlines.<br />Companies were able to report higher profits. And the<br />&#039;recovery&#039; seemed like a done deal.</p><p>Even the employment numbers, stubbornly negative, finally<br />seemed to be improving. Except, if you bothered to look at<br />them, you noticed that people were actually working fewer<br />hours and earning less money. Wal-Mart&#039;s sales figures<br />showed spending weakening by the end of the month; the<br />obvious inference: people were running out of money. And<br />all over the Anglo-Saxon world, people were going bankrupt<br />at the fastest rates in history; they were being crushed<br />under the weight of Greenspan&#039;s debt!</p><p>How can companies make money when their customers are going <br />bust? How can they defend their profit margins when the<br />Chinese are making things at half the price? How can stocks <br />go up when everyone who ever wanted them already has more<br />than he needs? How long will the lumps continue to believe<br />in &#039;stocks for the long haul?&#039;</p><p>These answers to these... and so many other exciting<br />questions... will surely be revealed as Phase II of the<br />Great Bear Market gets underway.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Youri]]></name>
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			<updated>2004-05-12T09:13:56Z</updated>
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