Mark Twain:  "Never try to teach a pig to dance.  It won't work and it will only annoy the pig."

Right, but aren't they, after all, let to slaughter in the end??

Is it even worth putting the information out there regarding 9/11?  It was out there to some extent on the day of 9/11 itself if you watched TV carefully, and it's on the internet now for those who care to know.  One more voice with the same information makes little difference now, in my opinion.

You already no doubt have a few people who are awake.

I don't know anyone who's awake! except here

Don't waste too much time in one area of sleepers.  Kick them once and move on.  Kick whoever you can along the way to try and wake their carcass off the floor.  But keep moving.  And don't make it your job.  You already no doubt have a few people who are awake.  Take care of your own.  In this case it has nothing to do with family or friends -- its your circle of "awake" people.  Take care of each other like they were your family.  We simply dont have time to save everyone.

Look straight ahead and keep walking.  Kick, but keep walking.

Everyone's life is ultimately their own, and you don't owe yours to anyone but yourself, do you?

impatiens thanks for the link, funny it wasnt but a few hours ago that somebody at another message board clued me into the Joe Vialls articles about the Airbus and the "Airwars" that have been going on. RIP Joe Vialls..anywayz it puts a whole new spin on yesterdays "Miracle" Flight...Im really beginning to think it was a Miracle and im not religious...because somebody wanted that plane to go down...I live 25 minutes away from ground zero...and the rain stopped on a dime.  I also live about 20 minutes awat from the place where they had that Youth Rally for the Pope in Toronto a few years ago.  It was raining kats n dogs and they made the Sun come out like it was on strings...Chemtrails and HARRP are par for the course up here...even my mother knows this....and the numerology on the attack was ridiculous..7's, 18's(3 sixes) and 11's all over the place

Menses,

I also live in the T dot,  Broadview/Danforth or Riverdale as some call it. So you're a west-ender, pity

I too have been referring to it as a Miracle; my family thinks I'm bonkers, they say that I read too much into too many "signs". What can I say, they're wrong! 

Funny thing, IF this was a sabotage (against AirFrance/AirBus), then it seems to me that it may have backfired in a sense; after the way the crew evacuated everyone in less than 2 minutes [that must be some kind of record], and immediately before the plane went up in flames; talk about Wow!

Me, if I ever have to take a trans-Atlantic flight, it's gonna' be on Air France.

Joe V. Yup, may he RIP. I know that means "rest in peace", but once when I was very young my grandma told me that it had another meaning, "rise if possible". She was attempting to make a joke; and while I dutifully laughed, I did not get it then. I appreciate it now in several ways.

Jove would have mucho to say on this event, the London bombings, and more... He sure shed a lot of different light on a lot of different subjects.

As for the numerology on that flight # 358. 3+5+8 = 16. Goro Adachi (Etemenanki) as well as Dutch (another forum poster) have been talking a lot about the significance of the number 16 lately.

Yeah, the weather here is unbelievable, isn't it. Record heat waves which have lasted pretty much all summer since June. It just aint natural, imo.

I'll end this little post with this thought: We're gonna' need a bigger boat!

Take care All, amj

....I wont get into specifics but that plane crash yesterday I believe was a botched terrorist strike on behalf of you know who.......

boeing, boeing, gone? have you read joe vialls' articles regarding airbus (EU) and boeing (Fortress America)? two factions of the nwo duking it out for airspace and defence supremacy?

visit the airbus.com web site, and this one too: 

http://www.a340.net/

an excerpt from the latter site:

Extensive Testing Page 2
Four weeks after the first flight, the A340 had been tested at various airspeeds from 100knots (185km/h) and 300 knots (555km/h). At the end of July 1992 6
A340s had completed over 1000 flying hours of the required 2000 which a required for certification. Until then 300 flight had been performed - a very stressing and
demanding job for the test pilots and engineers in the rear of the cabin monitoring the flight parameters.

The fluttering tests is the hardest and most dangerous test that the A340 had to perform: fluttering of the wing and stabilizers is caused by the 'cooperation' of
aerodynamic forces, flexible forces and forces of inertia. These forces can cause an in flight brake up at critical speeds.

Another test program was the icing test. In this program the A340 is flown into thunderstorms to test the aircraft's behaviour under icing conditions. This test was
completed successfully and also showed that the A340 could not be damaged severely by lightning.    

Beside these tests the A340 was tested all over the world under different climatic conditions. High altitude operation in La Paz in Bolivia (4000 meters high) or the
extremely cold areas of Russia such as Novosibirsk proved to be no problem for the A340. <<Previous Page

[see also Operators page with details of Incidents and Operators (airlines)]

One of the things I now realize is that the stuff we are into is quite next level...it takes courage to look for truth.  Just imagine what it was like for people back in 63 when Kennedy was murdered and everybody deep down knew it was a set up...(Zapruder film...yikes).  This stuff is not for Cowards and there are a lot of Cowards out there who are mentally and emotionally invested in this reality...and they hold on to it for dear life right until the very end....let them hold on....

One good way of waking people up though is to try and predict an event..Ive been telling my mother about certain things and she of course thinks im nuts...tells me to stop looking into stuff like that...the whole nine....this past sunday I offered to take her to work because I heard it through the grapevine that an attack was coming down in toronto..(inside job of course).  I was pretty sure something was coming up...and viola...the plane gets hit by lightening....I wont get into specifics but that plane crash yesterday I believe was a botched terrorist strike on behalf of you know who...Anywayz my mother came home and is now very "curious" so to speak...Shes singin a different tune now.....the trippy part is I had just shown her "911 in plane site" a few days earlier cuz I felt that new attacks were on the way....

thank you guys, i guess your right, nobody can change somebody else's opinion.

Of course you can change somebody's opinion! There's even a word for it - persuasion.

You may try bringing up the fact that F.E.M.A. (Federal Emergency Management Agency) conducted a mulitmillion dollar 'investigation' into the reason why WTC7 collapsed later in the evening of Sept. 11, 2001 - their official conclusion being that 'it is not known at this time.' Only problem is that months later it was publicly ADMITTED in mainstream media that the building was 'pulled' per a decision made by those in control including FDNY (New York Fire Department) officials. 'Pulled' means it was deliberately demolished. Now you would think F.E.M.A. would have access to this information especially in light of the millions of dollars allocated to them for the 'investigation'.

The point being that they WANT you to know that they are lying to you and they want you to think there is nothing you can do about it.

Focus your energies on people who are ready to hear.  If those people cannot hear, find people who can.  Otherwise you throw your valuable seeds on rocky ground.

Also, understand that for most people waking up is extremely painful.  It requires them to admit to themselves all of the ways in which they have sold their souls to illusions, wasted their lives in service of a society that does not benefit them or support their higher purpose.

So there will be deep (often unconscious) emotional resistance, and they might have a dense arsenal of left-brained rational weapons to prevent themselves from facing this pain.

CHOOSE YOUR BATTLES, try to remain unattached, netural rather than judging.  Judging creates resistance and then you waste energy resisting what is.

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/ … cy-theory/

"...This is exactly why I think telling people to “wake up!" is a complete waste of time. Same goes for trying to battle somebody head on and tell them they are just "wrong" and that it’s "obvious". The fact is, it’s not obvious for them. What Leary is highlighting here is critical: there is an intimate connection between a person’s emotional/security status and their system of meaning, their knowledge....

...This then is the obstacle keeping conspiracy theory from gaining widespread acceptance, and overturning the complacent worldview of the majority. Conspiracy theory doesn’t offer an emotional reward. Instead it seems to offer an emotional punishment. You may become "paranoid." And as a result, your security/social status beings to decline: people see you as a “lunatic" and don’t take you seriously...

...So how do we go about getting other types of people actively involved in conspiracy theory? According to Leary, the trick would seem to be appeal to the other instinct centers (circuits) such as: bio-survival, emotional, sexual and social. The title of this post: "Get Rich Quick With Conspiracy Theory" is an incentive to both the bio-survival and social circuits (money = survival + status). Just one of many possible examples..."

Well, there's this forums I frequent about anime, and in the debates thread I made a long and tedious thread about 9-11 as a conspiracy. But even though I gave so many facts, nobody believes me. Can someone please help me? I'm also getting destroyed in arguments. Thanks

http://narutomania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20919

After reading over your posts on that forum I can see you are out of your league......

Although your intentions are in the right place, the way you tell the tale is a little messed up. It leaves tons of holes for debunkers to crawl through. And believe me, they will crawl through. Shit there are people who are paid to do so.

You cannot argue with these people. Getting into a flame war only makes people NOT want to read your stuff.

You cannot ram this information down people's throats. I know you are excited and feel compelled to tell everyone that will listen, but people will not listen to people who do this........they just won't.

Sooooooo, my advice is to put out a little bit of info at a time.......not the whole thing, but one aspect.

Just take one thing at a time........

Like the fact there were military exercises on the morning of Sept. 11. Exercises that mimicked the exact same scenarios.........crashing planes into the WTC and the Pentagon. This is why NORAD didnt' do anything.....they thought it was the exercise.......and guess who was in charge of these exercises.......Cheney.......he had command and control of the whole thing. Funny eh?

Start with that........