This my first post on NR. I live in New York City. I had the opportunity to see the premiere of a documentary, "AIDS Inc.", written and produced by Gary Null on Thursday, 4/5/07. Copies of the DVD were also handed out to the viewing audience before the screening. The documentary went into a lot of the information that has been mentioned in this thread, in books and other documentaries challenging HIV=AIDS. It's interesting that the documentary carries the same name as Jon Rappoport's book challenging the myth of AIDS.

It has interviews with Peter Duesberg, Kary Mullis, Dr. Roberto Giraldo, and quite a few other scientists and journalists.
It goes into the drug culture and promiscuity of gays during the late '70s and early 80s, the PCR (HIV) test, and causes of "AIDS" in Africa.

http://www.gnhealthyliving.com/scripts/ … roduct=151

Gary Null also premiered another documentary called "Gulf War Syndrome: Killing Our Own" on Friday, 4/6/07.
This documentary explores experimental vaccines that were given to soldiers, chemical warfare, depleted uranium weapons, Mycoplasma Incognitus, etc.  I didn't get a chance to watch this one as it was in New Jersey but hope to see it when it's available for purchase.

One other documentary he has was posted to  google video/ you tube. That one is called "Prescription for Disaster" which goes into drugs that have serious side effects, cost very little to produce and have huge mark-ups in the retail market, which is then subsidized by the Medicaid/Medicare/ or your HMO.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … &hl=en

Hopefully, you'll find these useful and educational.

-Madrox

There evidently is a small documentary film out there (I have not seen it yet) called "The Other Side of AIDS" that is apparently ruffling quite a few feathers among the "AIDS Establishment."

It's on Google Video now (link).

It focuses on a few dissident researchers, and also individuals who were diagnosed with HIV and/or "AIDS" and are living healthy lives without drugs 20 years later.

Anyway, off track here.  Sorry.........

Ahah, thanks Lyra for these remarks; this Cassiopedian "channel"-website is very easy for me to debunk, but let me be straight to the point:

However, when I'm looking for a real good intended debunker of Mr. Stewart Swerdlow, I still found only one person who is/was able getting in debunking him very closely:

And that's me myself: Atlantis.

No, I'm not trying to be arrogant or being a snob here, but I also can tell you this.

I've not performed well in debunking Swerdlow:

Regardless

- investing thousands of hours in studying his works and statements.
- investing more than 100.000 dollars personally, in check him out.
- discussing with hundreds of other forum-users on global forums trying to really debunk him with all the resources available in libraries, internet or esoteric societies.
- my personal involvement examining and provoking him.
- my personal contacts with Stewart Swerdlow.
- little mistakes and wrong dates in his books about history.

I did not succeed.

However by doing so, you will really learn a lot, and I was even able to teach him a little.

Also, the Swerdlows have a tremendous powerfull supporting system of global volunteers.

That's the way it really works.

You're able to learn the most, by serious helping others.

If you want to find the truth;.....

Yes, it's clear, then:

I recommend putting in much effort in debunking Swerdlow,
IF YOU REALLY CAN put serious effort in this kind of debunking.

And yes, you can only go forward with al these stuff on this website etc, by doing it by yourself, with your own body and mind.

Lyra, that's very true.

So, all people can profit here from my big heavy investments.

Interesting lyra... Do you have any sources about this, apart from this person you talked to? The only thing I found is this page on the C's website.

Nope.  But that source is enough, trust me.  Very reliable.  Plus I've talked to the person Swerdlow plagiarized -- not about that, but about other things -- and that person is solid too, not somebody who'd make that up, or who would have any REASON to make that up.   

Swerdlow is full of it, bottom line, and you can tell from his website.   Just use common sense.   Do you really think that somebody who was involved in the Montauk experimentation would be "allowed" to be out there running around in the world running their mouth the way he does?   Using gut intuition, my alarm bells are ringing full volume when I see his website.   Granted, there are some spiritual truths to be picked out of his material.   Not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  But that's how disinfo. works.   He spouts good spiritual truths, so you're nodding your head and agreeing with him and starting to like him, then....slip in the tall tales and wild yarns....and hopefully you'll keep nodding your head.    Just know that you have to do some serious "sifting" with his work.  Pretty much any claim he makes about himself or his experiences should get a big "eye roll", and a "Yeah, whatever Stewie.  Sure."       Same goes for Al Bialek.....not who he claims to be apparantly.  Not involved with the Philadelphia experiment the way he claims.   That's why he's still alive as well.   Disinformation spreader.  And Preston Nichols....same story.    Lump 'em all into the Disinfo Spreaders heap.   But everybody should make up their own minds, read the material and decide for themselves based on their own intuition and what they know.

Anyway, off track here.  Sorry.........

Now, "Blue Blood, True Blood"....that's a book by Stewart Swerdlow.  I haven't read it, but I've talked to somone about who / what Swerdlow really is, checked out his website and read his material in the "Universal Seduction" books.   He's a disinformation agent, you know that right?   He claims to be a "Montauk Boy", among other things, but supposedly he's not, AND, he's supposedly a plagiarist, ripping off other people's material, stories and personal experiences and claiming them as his own.   Of which the Montauk experimentation is one.  I learned this from someone close to me who personally knows someone that Swerdlow plagiarized.   Names will not be given out here, for obvious reasons.      Point being, I wouldn't trust anything by him, nor anything that quotes or promotes his material.    Just an FYI....

Interesting lyra... Do you have any sources about this, apart from this person you talked to? The only thing I found is this page on the C's website.

YES, YES;  SAME LOCATION.

Ohhw, Oh yeah. I found the story on/you'll find it on:

http://www.soulinvitation.com/invasion/

Regarding  the book "Blue blood, true blood, which this website contains a lot of it.

That's also my second only serious source about the Sirian involvement on Earth.

I do not know for 100%, but I really think the Mossad-countryclub is involved in every big conspiracy.

I tried that link but it came up as broken or unavailable.  Not sure if it's a bum link or if it's just temporarily down.

Now, "Blue Blood, True Blood"....that's a book by Stewart Swerdlow.  I haven't read it, but I've talked to somone about who / what Swerdlow really is, checked out his website and read his material in the "Universal Seduction" books.   He's a disinformation agent, you know that right?   He claims to be a "Montauk Boy", among other things, but supposedly he's not, AND, he's supposedly a plagiarist, ripping off other people's material, stories and personal experiences and claiming them as his own.   Of which the Montauk experimentation is one.  I learned this from someone close to me who personally knows someone that Swerdlow plagiarized.   Names will not be given out here, for obvious reasons.      Point being, I wouldn't trust anything by him, nor anything that quotes or promotes his material.    Just an FYI....

Atlantis wrote:

In line with the conspiracy explanation in this topic you can bet the Israelis in the late '60 's did find the AIDS virus in their caves and consider it as alien made.

I can bet?   How?   I've never heard of such a thing.  How do you "find AIDS" in a cave?  What, is it stuck to the walls?  Stored in little stone pottery containers next to the Dead Sea Scrolls??  ??    Sorry, but I'm at a loss after reading your post.

YES, YES;  SAME LOCATION.

Ohhw, Oh yeah. I found the story on/you'll find it on:

http://www.soulinvitation.com/invasion/

Regarding  the book "Blue blood, true blood, which this website contains a lot of it.

That's also my second only serious source about the Sirian involvement on Earth.

I do not know for 100%, but I really think the Mossad-countryclub is involved in every big conspiracy.

In line with the conspiracy explanation in this topic you can bet the Israelis in the late '60 's did find the AIDS virus in their caves and consider it as alien made.

I can bet?   How?   I've never heard of such a thing.  How do you "find AIDS" in a cave?  What, is it stuck to the walls?  Stored in little stone pottery containers next to the Dead Sea Scrolls??  ??    Sorry, but I'm at a loss after reading your post.   

I really don't think the Africans have AIDS, let alone that it was "found in caves in Israel" then "further developed" from there.    When you do the research, ie, reading the books, articles and websites suggested by several of us in this thread, you'll find that "AIDS" is a conglomerate of various different diseases and ailments all lumped together under the same umbrella category known as "AIDS."  The more people have "AIDS" in Africa, the more funding their governments receive, and the richer the doctors get, as they drive past the poor villagers in their Mercedes and BMW's on the way to the gov't funded clinics.   

What story?   You mean the theory you mentioned above about Israeli's finding AIDS in their caves in the 1960's?  If that's what you're inquiring about, then um, I don't know.  Sounds a little questionable to me.   

It's futher developed and used by the US health institutions and Unicef to vaccinate/affect all African black children and black people with the helps of your money in the campaigns of "helping Africa" or Aids victims.

What do htink about this story ?

WHY, FOR THE F.. ARE THEY SHOWING ME SICK BLACK BABIES ON TV AND WHY ARE THEY ASKING ME EVERY YEAR TO HELP VACCINATING AFRICAN CHILDREN BY SENDING THEM MONEY ?

Hey, I just got an idea. Maybe two of those possibilities are true at the same time. I mean we have three possible scenarios:
1. HIV is a natural virus that causes AIDS
2. HIV was created in a lab to target certain groups with AIDS.
3. AIDS can be caused by many factors, and is simply a state when the imune system is down.

And from what we see above, 1 and 3 can be true at the same time. 2 and 3 can also be true at the same time. And heck, even all can be true at the same time! That is:
There is a a natural virus that causes AIDS and there is an artificial virus that causes AIDS and AIDS is caused by many different factors that simply inhibit or weaken the imune system 

Now isn't that adding to the total confusion?

Yup!     The only thing I can say for me, is that if for some reason I found tomorrow that I'm HIV positive, I would just shrug.  I would be like, Well, I feel healthy.   Which means I am healthy.  Why?   Because it's all in the head.   It's amazing what the powers of the mind can do, both positive and negative.  It makes and breaks your body's health.   Certainly there are external factors which can affect you, but I think that if you believe you're sick and you believe you're going to die, because a misinformed doctor puppet of the The Powers That Be tells you that you're supposed to be sick and dying, well, certainly the power of suggestion can be a big influence on that.  You may very well find yourself in declining health.   This is true in any situation, not just HIV diagnosis.  That's why if we're ever given some negative diagnosis by a health professional we need to fight it just as much with our minds as with medicine.

AIDS is a convulated issue for sure.  I don't know if we'll ever have the answers and find out whether it's options #1, 2, or 3....

btw...Welcome to the forum!   

Either it's exactly what they're telling us it is, so grab yourself a red ribbon and show your support, or, it's a manufactured virus created in a lab as a biological warfare agent so the guv'ment can systematically take out society's "undesirables".   That's it, those are your choices in the mainstream world.   

I'm voting for the hidden third totally fringe theory which is that AIDS is a scam, and doesn't exist!

Hey, I just got an idea. Maybe two of those possibilities are true at the same time. I mean we have three possible scenarios:
1. HIV is a natural virus that causes AIDS
2. HIV was created in a lab to target certain groups with AIDS.
3. AIDS can be caused by many factors, and is simply a state when the imune system is down.

And from what we see above, 1 and 3 can be true at the same time. 2 and 3 can also be true at the same time. And heck, even all can be true at the same time! That is:
There is a a natural virus that causes AIDS and there is an artificial virus that causes AIDS and AIDS is caused by many different factors that simply inhibit or weaken the imune system 

Now isn't that adding to the total confusion?

Next person will be my mother who has worked for many years as a nurse for AIDS patients and who has seen many of them die... she seemed reluctant when I talked about it by phone but said she will check the book. Accepting such a fact would mean accepting that she has been helping in killing these persons, so probably not easy, but she's a strong soul so my fingers are crossed...

I wish I could bring good news sometimes

I provided information as requested (websites, scientific papers, books) that effectively shoots down the HIV=AIDS theory.

Not to my great surprise -- it was completely and totally ignored.  No response.  Nothing.   

I have since learned that this individual, despite his initial misgivings, has gone ahead with the "toxic drug" treatment pushed on him IMMEDIATELY by his medical doctor, despite the fact that he is -- in every sense of the word -- totally healthy. 

Talk about f****d up.  It's simply mind-boggling.  But then again, given the relentless brainwashing regarding the whole subject, and the totally insane world we all are experiencing, it's just par for the course.  In the end, it was not surprising at all.

Just another example of the mind-control and dumbing down our society and world has been subjected to relentlessly on so many levels.   

An otherwise seemingly bright guy in many ways, just literally signed his own death sentence -- despite his own strong intuition -- and the lifesaving information put right in FRONT of him.  But the "herd mentality" won out, as it so often does.

The powerful prescription drug cartel and medical establishment (Rockefeller/illuminati-funded) -- these "doctors of death" -- have seemingly succeeded in their mission.  They're nothing but killers and murderers, unwittingly or not. 

But then again, nothing new there.

DJ