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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Article on economy--bad news]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>haha, no problem Impatiens, and yes it is a very nice word, particularly when sung. Shamans nearly always sing songs during ayahuasca ceremonies and these songs are known as Icaros. Every shaman has his or her own Icaros which they usually learn from the plant. The shaman I know has some beautiful Icaros and being apart of his ceremonies has truly been some of the most uplifting and inspiring moments of my life.</p><p>I found a bit of info about Icaros here: <a href="http://www.biopark.org/peru/icaros.html">http://www.biopark.org/peru/icaros.html</a></p><p>Andy</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Ayahuasca]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-05-17T20:19:04Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Wandering. Strange that I&#039;m still getting the same message. Tho&#039; it&#039;s not a complete write-off since I can read/access it via a cached page. </p><p>Thanks Ayahuasca for the info. Btw, now that I know how to pronounce your name, I love saying it aloud and repeating it. It&#039;s music to my ears <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[impatiens]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-05-17T19:56:19Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I am able to access the link.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-05-17T02:45:15Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Ayahuasca wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Has The End of USrael Tolled?</p><p>Coming Sooner Than You Think</p><p>The Economic Tsunami</p><p><a href="http://globalfire.tv/nj/05en/globalism/us_end.htm">http://globalfire.tv/nj/05en/globalism/us_end.htm</a></p></blockquote></div><p>This page cannot be displayed. </p><p>Anybody else getting this message? I&#039;ve found this story elsewhere and every link to it, including on goolge, results in the same message. Weird.</p><p>Did, tho, manage to access the article via a cached page of google. </p><p>Anybody? Would like to know if it&#039;s just me, or if it&#039;s been &quot;censored&quot;. Pls and thanx.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[impatiens]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-05-16T23:56:03Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Has The End of USrael Tolled?</p><p>Coming Sooner Than You Think</p><p>The Economic Tsunami</p><p><a href="http://globalfire.tv/nj/05en/globalism/us_end.htm">http://globalfire.tv/nj/05en/globalism/us_end.htm</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Ayahuasca]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-05-16T16:47:17Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Here&#039;s something odd relating to the economy.&nbsp; I came across it last week, but didn&#039;t think to post it here.&nbsp; &nbsp;But the U.S. is looking to extend Daylight Savings Time to start month earlier, in March, and to last a month later, into November.&nbsp; &nbsp;Personally, I like the idea, and would be all for it.&nbsp; &nbsp;The reasoning behind it however has to do with the economy.&nbsp; &nbsp;They reason that by staying lighter later, it could save tens of thousands of barrells of oil, as well as allowing downtown urban areas to have extend shopping, and stores staying open later which would otherwise close.&nbsp; &nbsp;So.............economy stimulation. </p><p>I should have copied the link last week as soon as I saw it, now I can&#039;t find it.&nbsp; The only thing I could come up with now is this:</p><p><a href="http://geography.about.com/b/a/160525.htm">http://geography.about.com/b/a/160525.htm</a></p><p>It mentions the oil aspect to DST, but not the part about businesses being able to stay open later, and people shopping in urban areas.</p><p>You just know that the U.S. is in trouble when they&#039;re coming up with stuff like this to stimulate the economy.&nbsp; &nbsp;!!&nbsp; The U.S. 25, 30 years ago would never have had to dream up schemes to stimulate people to shop, let alone worry about saving oil.&nbsp; &nbsp; It&#039;s a changed world, and a completely different country we&#039;re living in now.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-04-09T17:50:30Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>the (good) four letter word</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-04-08T16:16:51Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi wynderer, thanks for your post.&nbsp; <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" />&nbsp; &nbsp;Yes, it is quite a shocking comparison how different Americans are versus other cultures. </p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>wynderer wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>When I came back to the States I was shocked again by all the rushing around, the tense faces, the ignoring of children and the elderly.&nbsp; &nbsp; And now I can never go into a supermarket (let alone malls, which I do my best to avoid)without a sense of how too much we have here, and of how little we are grateful for this excess of stuff of all kinds.<br />Peace, wynderer</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, I see the same thing.&nbsp; I work at a hotel now and woo...let me tell you.&nbsp; &nbsp;I&#039;m not so shocked I guess at how miserable so many people are that I deal with, I guess it&#039;s understandable in this culture and reality.&nbsp; &nbsp;But what shocks me is how rude and miserable they are to others.&nbsp; How quick they are to pass it along to those around them like a virus, trying to bring everybody else down.&nbsp; &nbsp;Like you pointed out.......these people have it all.&nbsp; &nbsp;So in a way they don&#039;t have a RIGHT to be that miserable.&nbsp; There&#039;s something inherantly wrong about how mean, nasty, unhappy and miserable they are despite being surrounded by so much.&nbsp; &nbsp;This is something that one of the Russian girls specifically mentioned to me.&nbsp; &nbsp;To paraphrase what she wrote: (this is near exact of what she said)&nbsp; &nbsp; &quot;In our country, we are born naked.&nbsp; We have nothing.&nbsp; &nbsp;We will never get anything, we know that.&nbsp; We will never have money.&nbsp; Life is a struggle for us.&nbsp; &nbsp;But you...in America, you have everything.&nbsp; You have anything you want, all the time....&quot;&nbsp; She went on to explain that this is the cause for that fundamental difference in Americans versus much of the rest of the world.</p><p>It&#039;s amazing though, for a country that has it all, how miserable everybody is.&nbsp; &nbsp;Obviously something&#039;s missing.&nbsp; It&#039;s not hard to figure out what.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[lyra]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-04-08T01:17:41Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this is very true.&nbsp; In fact we were just talking about this last week.&nbsp; It came up in a very roundabout way, actually.&nbsp; I was marveling at the difference between my Russian female coworkers versus their American counterparts, (the difference is positive...if more Americans acted like them this would be a better place.)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Even got to talking to them in depth about their lives back in Belarus.&nbsp; &nbsp;And what ended up coming up as the root of the issue in regards to the difference was...........money.&nbsp; &nbsp;The &quot;American Way&quot;.&nbsp; &nbsp;The endless materialistic chase for money and &quot;things&quot;.&nbsp; It&#039;s unheard of in chaotic, oppresive poverty ridden Belarus, and so the people there end up cultivating a very different set of values, one that centers on family and friends and concern for other&#039;s well being; smarts, resourcefulness, flexibility, and adaptability.&nbsp; &nbsp;These Belarussian women come here and they just can not get over the way Americans are, it&#039;s like being on a different planet.&nbsp; </p><p>So with that in mind, we got to talking about this whole thing here on my end, which led to &quot;The Creation of the American Monster.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp;How did this American Monster get created?&nbsp; What went wrong in America, and when did it start to happen?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;In a nutshell, &quot;They&quot; set America up to be the land of opportunity, and got everybody nice and comfy with the idea of the great American Dream.&nbsp; &nbsp;People had the opportunity to have EVERYTHING.&nbsp; Instantaneous gratification.&nbsp; &nbsp;They got everybody so used to having an exceess of anything their heart&#039;s desired, like little spoiled babies, endlessly consuming and spending and acquiring.&nbsp; &nbsp;Then.............they pulled the rug out from under everybody.&nbsp; &nbsp;Manufactured recessions, companies packing up and shipping operations to 3rd world countries, the loss of manufacturing jobs, lay offs, increase in home prices, gasoline prices, and the endless rising cost of living in general.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>And instead of Americans cutting back on their excess consumption and materialistic ways and *adjusting* themselves to these newfound economic ways......... they instead tried harder to keep up to the same level they were at in the past!&nbsp; &nbsp;Get ANOTHER job, and ANOTHER job, work round the clock, rack up that money, at the expense of EVERYTHING else.&nbsp; &nbsp;Gotta keep up with the Jones&#039;, gotta get that new SUV, buy that big house no matter what the cost.&nbsp; Gotta have this, gotta have that....nevermind that they never have time or energy to enjoy the stuff.&nbsp; Nevermind that they&#039;re acting like a gerbil in a wheel, and the wheel&#039;s speed is increasing...faster....faster...faster....</p><p>It&#039;s nuts.&nbsp; &nbsp;The American Monster.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-04-02T22:13:51Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Most of this we are familiar with, but the writer puts it all together in very stark terms.</p><p>&quot;The average American in the year 2005 lives a fragile existence, in a struggle for survival that can be ended by missing a few paychecks. The carrot at the end of the stick which was formerly known as &quot;the American dream&quot; has been replaced by a whip that can best be described as the American nightmare of homelessness, and slow, early death. You no longer work to achieve a better life for yourselves and your children.&quot; </p><p>From &quot;The New American Slavery&quot;</p><p><a href="http://www.rense.com/general63/newam.htm">http://www.rense.com/general63/newam.htm</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[freeme]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-04-02T19:57:11Z</updated>
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