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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Soloflecks,<br />Thanks for posting that link!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wandering1]]></name>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Here&#039;s more from a slightly different perspective:</p><p><a href="http://www.soulwise.net/25a-tgs.htm">http://www.soulwise.net/25a-tgs.htm</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Soloflecks]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-03-30T19:26:43Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>shamballa wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Who is farming the energy? Aliens or the Government?</p></blockquote></div><p>In my opinion, you have an incisive ability to cut right to the core questions.&nbsp; I consider that a compliment.</p><p>I see this as the question of what is the nature of the negative hierarchy and who is part of it.&nbsp; One characteristic of the negative hierarchy seems to be an exclusive focus on service to self.&nbsp; Part of this may involve fitting into a power structure where those above a given entity/person are obeyed without question.&nbsp; The negative power structure seems to have command and control which has its peak at the lower 6th density and then flows down through 5th density to 4th density to 3rd density.&nbsp; See other posts for an explanation on density/dimensional levels.&nbsp; </p><p>The driving force at the upper levels can be thought of as a Satanic/Luciferian entity that is extremely wise, intelligent, and effective in the way that it goes about obtaining and utilizing power.&nbsp; There may be entities in human form in the 4th and 5th density that serve this master.&nbsp; These are not typical humans as people generally think of them.&nbsp; However, they may have a fundamental human form in an etheric sort of way.&nbsp; </p><p>The negative 4th density is most often characterized by humanoid lizards who are called &quot;Reptilians&quot;.&nbsp; The Reptilians have created bio-cyber-genetic organisms called greys who exist primarily in the 4th density, but are able to visit the 3rd density where us humans generally live.</p><p>In the 3rd density there is a relatively small number of humans who serve their higher density masters.&nbsp; They are generally called the Illuminati, and I think of them as the negative Illuminati as I think that it is likely that the Illuminati also has a positive branch.</p><p>These humans may wield a great deal of power at the highest levels of government, business, the military, media, and academia.&nbsp; Perhaps the one world government already exists and simply has not been made obvious at the outer levels.&nbsp; I personally think that we do not know the names of the most powerful members of the negative Illuminati group as they operate in secret and like to work behind the scenes.</p><p>I think that many people on this planet are just trying to get by and possibly get ahead.&nbsp; They want to take care of their families.&nbsp; They are generally not aware of the hidden power structures.&nbsp; While they may sometimes think that that media could cover a given issue in greater depth, they generally believe the stories and version of reality that is given by the media and visible political leaders.&nbsp; </p><p>The general population may be in for a series of big shocks and surprises in the coming years.</p><p>With regard to energy farming, it may simply be a way that the universe works.&nbsp; It may be possible to live directly off the oneness, if an individual has a sufficiently developed consciousness.</p><p>However, until that happens, if may be necessary to get energy from the level below where you happen to be.&nbsp; Think of 3rd density as self-awareness.&nbsp; Humans, who live in the 3rd density generally eat plants and animals from the 2nd density.&nbsp; In the second density plants and animals grow and develop, but they do not have highly developed self-awareness.&nbsp; </p><p>Some entities which are living in the 4th density may need to look for nourishment from the 3rd density.&nbsp; 2nd density plant and animal life may not be enough to sustain some 4th density beings.&nbsp; However, 3rd density human consciousness and emotions may do the trick.&nbsp; </p><p>Or perhaps negative emotions are like luxury dining and these 4th density beings have developed a taste for the &quot;red meat of refined anger and fear&quot; and feel that they cannot do without it, or simply prefer not to do without it.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wandering1]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-03-30T04:30:48Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I have no idea what your talking about first off with the energy farming. I just assumed it was some conspiracy thing to do with the Government and it was a joke anyhow. </p><p>There is no test to measure a chemical imbalance. Only a guesser to listen to you and dispense medication, making you a lifeless robot, like 99% of the population with the psychoactive drug of the week. I find that 6 months out of the year. When the clocks are set incorrectly, I have low energy. When the clocks are set correctly, in the Spring, miraculously my energy comes back. That&#039;s about all I can tell you about it.</p><p>As far as the signature. It has to do with manifesting your own reality. A self serving thought in my opinion is a thought that serves whatever your goals/beliefs might be. In my case it is to be a product of self-realization and not a product of the matrix. A non self serving thought might be one like &quot;there are no jobs left in the USA&quot; &quot;Life sucks&quot; etc..</p><p>It is my belief that thoughts form reality. Inside affects the outside and not vice versa.</p><p>I notice a lot of the non self serving thoughts are rammed down our throat by the Government/Media control system. I am happy to say I don&#039;t turn on the television anymore unless I watch a movie. </p><p>I hope that makes sense to you. As far as the energy thing. I exercize, meditate, eat good. <br />I have no explanation except maybee I need an attitude adjustment during the low energy season.</p><p>Kevin</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[shamballa]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-03-30T00:30:45Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kevin,</p><p>Just curious, what is your reason for dismissing a light seasonal depression as a possible cause for being a bit low on your energy? Have you thought about a personal biochemical imbalance, not enough excercise? Does it perhaps suit&nbsp; you better if aliens or government would be responsible for it? Why?</p><p>The sources mentioned by montalk (which have important differences between them) use the concept of energy farming (Steiner, Gurdjieff, Ouspensky don&#039;t use such terms explicitly) as something metaphysical - which rules out your Government and 3D aliens. These metaphysical forces work through everything, including for example an oppressive government or organisation. </p><p>Use of the word &quot;farming&quot; makes the metaphysical aspect much to physical for my taste. </p><p>I don&#039;t understand your advice: &quot;Serve thyself with only self-serving thoughts&quot;<br />What&#039;s a self-serving thought, and how would it serve me? Do you have an example?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[bumblebee]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-03-29T15:11:16Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Who is farming the energy? Aliens or the Government? I&#039;ll bet daylight savings has something to do with it. 6 months out of the year my energy is depleted.</p><p>Kevin</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-03-29T13:45:32Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>There&#039;s a positive side to the energy farm concept -- it is through such resistance that we learn to strengthen our will, awareness, and endurance...not out of choice so much as necessity. People get hammered and energetically eaten in life -- it is painful and happens over and over until the lessons are learned enough to prevent such experiences repeating. Awareness of the Matrix Control System concept shouldn&#039;t cause you fear or stress if you learn about the solution along with the problem. Ultimately you&#039;re just learning more about yourself and others, which is the point of living. But energy farming and its offshoot topics are a lot to digest, and it&#039;s best not to get burned out so take things at your own pace. Usually life kicks you in the ass when it&#039;s time to move up the ladder anyway.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-03-29T06:37:40Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think that it is quite possible that chemtrails and cell phone towers are part of the attempts to control the frequency of the planet.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>Kevin/shamballa - if you find these topics interesting then I bet you&#039;ll enjoy visiting here.</p><p>Yes, I think that a key point is avoiding getting trapped in the fear.&nbsp; </p><p>I liked your question about being &quot;farmed for spiritual energies&quot;.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-03-29T04:26:37Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m wondering if the chemtrails/cell towers are somehow involved in keeping our vibration from rising. Just a thought.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-03-29T03:36:25Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Great, just when I was trying to incorporate a more positive mindset into my being, lol.<br />It just keeps getting better doesn&#039;t it? Why not the simple concept of Heaven and Hell. <br />I think to remain on my positive path, I&#039;m not going to read those links, but do appreciate you<br />posting them. This seems like a pretty good website and I agree wholeheartedly with the person<br />who wrote about quitting their job in the metaphysical section of the main site. I think it was the <br />metaphysical section, or perhaps the matrix section now that I think of it. I however are not<br />a red cell. I&#039;ve awakened and I as well have 1 foot out the door at my place of work. I&#039;m 34 years<br />old and I realize the game already, thank God, rather than when I&#039;m 50 years old. I started off<br />with not feeding the machine that is the fear spreading mechanism called government and media.<br />I think I&#039;ll fit quite well in this place, don&#039;t you?</p><p>Peace,</p><p>Kevin</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-03-29T02:28:55Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The theory as I understand it is that there are entities in the density/dimensional levels above us who exist by feeding on our emotions and consciousness.</p><p>These are negative entities that ingest fear, anger, hatred and other negative emotions.&nbsp; Also, they create conditions that increase these emotions in society.</p><p>Another theory says that this planet is currently raising its vibration and when this process is complete the Earth will be focused at a higher energy/consciousness level which will be of the positive polarity.</p><p>The negative entities are concerned about losing their food source so they are implementing plans to slow down or stop the raising of the frequency.</p><p>We may be entering a period of intensification of the interaction of positive and negative forces.&nbsp; Such plays between the light and dark can be found in movies and books like The Lord of the Rings and Star Wars.&nbsp; Perhaps people resonate with those films because they reflect something that may actually be occuring on this planet and in this solar system.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-03-29T01:50:30Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kevin,</p><p>If you&#039;re sincerely asking...</p><p>Check out the &quot;matrix&quot; section of my site, there are plenty of articles there discussing the possibility that our world functions as a covert control system, something like in the Matrix movies but more subtle and metaphysical. <a href="http://www.montalk.net/matrix">http://www.montalk.net/matrix</a></p><p>If this sounds interesting to you, research the matter further by reading books by Carlos Castaneda, Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Boris Mouravieff, Robert Monroe, Stuart Wilde, Rudolf Steiner, the Ra Material, and the Cassiopaean transcripts. All of these discuss the concept that mankind provides food for a hierarchy of self-serving creatures. These entities have been labelled various descriptive terms: the Predators, the Flyers, 4D STS (fourth density service-to-self), archons, asuras, negs, negative thought forms, demons, tricksters, Orion Crusaders, transdimensionals, shadow people, etc...</p><p>People who rejects this possibility are rejecting a wide body of work by sources who have independently observed and reported the same basica phenomenon: mankind being farmed for its spiritual energies, that we are not at the top of the food chain. </p><p>This is ancient knowledge, very applicable today and fertile ground for research. What I have tentatively concluded from personal observation correlating with the mentioned sources above, I wrote up on my site for people to read and form their own conclusions.</p><p>An excellent overview of all this was posted in the <a href="http://noblerealms.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=15475#p15475">Michael Topper thread</a>. </p><p>See Wandering1&#039;s post below for an even more concise summary.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2005-03-29T01:50:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Enlighten me please]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#039;m new here. Seems like an interesting place. Hopefully filled with more intellect than some of the other forums I visit, AP (cough, cough)</p><p>However, I was looking on the home page and saw something that disturbed me.</p><br /><p>Under the description of what this place is all about I saw<br />&quot;how you are being farmed for your spiritual energies&quot;</p><p>What&#039;s that all about? Anybody care to elaborate on that?</p><br /><p>Kevin</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[shamballa]]></name>
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			<updated>2005-03-29T00:25:53Z</updated>
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