]]>why did i ever think for a moment that terri had a chance...like lyra said...programing at it's finest...
just a little over a week ago i met an 85 year old woman who was going to have to leave her home of 56 years and relocate to be close to her daughter. i was going to take the 10 kitties that had nowhere else to go. Ruth had lost her husband 3 months ago. while we visited into the wee hours of the night on our first meeting she told me of how Elton had a fall (Alzheimer's), went to the emergency room, sprained shoulder, but required when you call 911...was fine except for the shoulder, two days later blood pressure bottomed out, spiked fever, dead in 19 days from entering the hospital. he was starved and dehydrated...which was accelerated by giving diuretics. he died asking for water...but his mouth was so full of blisters that he could not drink...and of course, no iv's. two nurses quit in protest.
all of this while the terri story was being played out.
i felt it was no accident that i was in the situation i was in, hearing the things i was hearing...because i do tend to block so much out. and yet, knowledge is power. so i have allowed myself to see more of the picture and at the same time feel an inner power connection.
reminds me of what i read on one site the other night...ww3 will be underway before the populace knows it...it will be an after the fact sorta thing...
well, here i am thinking the terri story was more isolated that it actually is...this particular form of murder has been going on in mass to the tune of mega murder for some time...
culture of death...
]]>]]>recorded on "good" friday...a painless death eh?
]]>in 1990 terri collapses...
then in this testimony
http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/vows.html
November 19, 1993 Deposition of Michael Schiavo
Q. Are you presently involved in a romantic relationship with anyone?
SCHIAVO: Yes I am.
Q. Are you involved in an intimate relationship with this person.
SCHIAVO: Yes I am.
Q. Is this the first relationship that you’ve been involved in since your wife has been in a coma?
SCHIAVO: No.
Q. How many other relationships have you been involved in?
SCHIAVO: I was in one other relationship.
Q. Was it an intimate relationship?
SCHIAVO: Yes.
January 27, 2000 Trial Testimony
Q: Mr. Schiavo, since Terri’s incident, did you have any intimate relations with another woman?
SCHIAVO: Yes, I did.
Q: When did that occur?
SCHIAVO: Approximately 5 years after the incident. I don’t know the exact dates.
Q: How long did this relationship last?
SCHIAVO: Approximately 8 months.
Q: Do you currently have an intimate relationship with a woman?
SCHIAVO: Yes, I do.
Q: How long have you known her?
SCHIAVO: 5 ½ years.
palulukon writes...
gee, anyone see a discrepancy with the timelines...hum. but ya know, just comforts the hell out of me that michael and felos were with terri in her final moments...wonder what they were really saying to terri during her "peaceful" death.
]]>The occult numerology symbolism in these dates cannot escape us.
Terri died on the 31st after starving to death for 13 days
that is a mirror, they do this a lot...
13/31
not to mention that 13 is a very highly important number for them...
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/fo … read=68387
and when a reader wrote in to say that I was wrong in my analysis that the Pope and Terri could be the two witnesses, I wrote the following to clarify that I believe that they are being used as SYMBOLIC STAND-INS for the two witness, here is my reasoning on that....
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MY REPLY TO A READER RE: TWO WITNESSES
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/fo … read=68336
Hi,
Yes I agree with part of what you say about the two witnesses that they are God's prophets, it is just that the real world would not get that symbolically.... there is no way for them to send the message that the two witnesses are being taken out as no one knows who they are.
I believe that in order to send the message to the masses that the two witnesses are being removed, they are using the Pope, God's "official" witness on earth and Terri as symbolic "stand in's" for the REAL two witnesses to send the message in a way that EVERYDAY people might "GET IT"... see where I am going with that?
palulukon writes...
and it is being reported that terri's brother was thrown out of her room...the usual media blah blah...but just maybe her brother wanted them to not give her a shot to send her off...just speculation...like, kill terri before the parents could arrive...
just poking around...
]]>There may come a time when your sickly child will be torn from your arms because the cost/benefit ratio is not acceptable to the powers to give them the medical treatment they deserve and need to stay alive and they will be put to death or given a slow starvation like Terri had. How will you answer that child when they ask, “Why daddy, why don’t you help me? Why are you letting them do this to me?”
What happens when we get old and need medication to stay alive and are told, “Sorry, we can no longer afford to give you this medicine.”
What if you get injured and simple but expensive care will get you back to normal and you are told, “I am sorry but our records show you will never make enough money to pay for this life saving benefit and you will have to be terminated.” For the good of society of course.
Think this is too far fetched, think again. In Nazi Germany if you care to check, the German people were told something to the effect of this. We want to give everyone medical insurance but there is just no way unless we eliminate the sickly, the retarded, the mentally ill, and others like those. Race and religion soon played a picture in this “cost savings” policy. The people jumped on this horror against humanity just so they could get their piece of the pie, to hell with the rest. To hell with the helpless.
and just the other day i read that the papers in florida were touting that keeping terri alive threatened the medical care programs for the elderly...hum...coincidence?
and not to forget that now michael says she was so peaceful with her favorite stuffed animal, flowers and music...gee, why would he not let her have flowers, music and a stuffed animal before murdering her?
and to bumblebee...like i said, it is some nifty ocean front property i have for sale...can't beat it, in the heart of arizona...
]]>Terri's 2-week slow burn death from dehydration and starvation was absolutely inhumane.
I don't see it that way, I understand it can look that way and if you are convinced that Terri is conscious and struggling against it (like her sister said?) it would be inhumane, but so would be a lethal injection.
It's generally considered a humane (and legal) method. Use of lethal injection in hospitals is not legal, although considered humane (i think not in that context) and legal in a deathrow setting.
IF they were going to kill her, which is what they did, plain and
simple, then why not at least do it humanely? Why should a person
who's convicted of murder(s), rapes, terrorist acts, etc. receive a
quick, humane, painless death, while an innocent woman who's never
hurt anybody should die a long, drawn out, torturous death?
Because active euthanasia on Terri is not allowed in that state at this moment - even so like I said: it's considered to be painless.
they made the decision that they were going to kill her?
Does this make sense? Maybe to you, but not to me. THAT was the
point I was trying to make, bumblebee. If they were going to
"legally" kill her, why not make it as painless as possible?
Yes, I think there is little difference between lethal injection and this method
(physical) painwise (if you would discount the timeperiod). I understand that there is a difference of view whether one thinks Terri is conscious or not. For me it makes sense because I think she was in a PVS.
Maybe people find me naive here but I buy the official line, I don't see a 3D conspiracy (but i can speculate on a 4D one)... but I haven't seen the husband's interview yet - my view on him may change.
So bumblebee, if someone punched you out until you were
unconscious and half dead, and then you woke up in a brain damaged
state, completely reliant on others for your survival....including the
person who punched you out in the first place........ and then those
people eventually ceased your food and water supply while you lay
there, helpless in bed, unable to do anything about it, you wouldn't
consider those people to be killing you?
Yes, that would be a relatively painless murder, a murder nonetheless.
It would be killing.
If I was in PVS
-after looking into the 3 nurses, ex-girlfriend usw I still
currently think Terri was-
...and someone who knows me well (and loves
me) would decide it's enough I would consider it passive euthanasia,
not murder. I agree that the end result (me dying) is the same but
there is a qualitative moral difference - even if I was not in a PVS.
Perhaps for some people the case is clear because these people want a clean and clear view with a guilty party - for others the case is clear because they have reviewed all the facts and came to a personal look on the matter.
The whole public debate about Terri seems to be more about emotions, politics and morality then about Terri, a reflection of the 4D play - clash of the titans, fighting in heaven. There are clashes and earthquakes closer to home too, and don't forget the pope.
As a sidenote: Perhaps I come across as nitpicking in general for some, if so I apologize. Just ignore me or drop me a line about how irritating i am offlist I'd like to know as I am probably not aware of it.
]]>Life isn't simple, regardless if Shiavo is the evil psychopath some people want to see or not.
Of course life is never simple. And the Schiavo case, like the Elian Gonzales or OJ Simson cases, are not unique other than their being selected by the media to become our national polarizing obsession of the month. But they do bring into attention the essential issues of all similar cases that would otherwise go unnoticed. Maybe that is the point -- who benefits from mass anger being focused upon unresolvable issues?
As for seeing what you want to see, that can happen on both sides of the issue. Speaking of which, take a look at these two pics of Mike Schiavo:
Based on his face alone, even if I knew nothing about this case, even if someone told me, "Hey here's a photo of my uncle," my subjective impression would make me cautious of this fellow. Face reading isn't a science, but it's reliable for those experienced in it. Stuart Wilde recently wrote an article about it:
Some predators like murders and criminals are usually easy to spot as they give off a darkness that is erratic and scary, but most predators are cleverly hidden inside high fashion and/or a three-piece suit. These people legally thieve off humanity or they act to control or crush their fellow men and women: stockbrokers, bankers, arms dealers, cosmetic surgeons, sex slavers, bent reporters, crooked politicians, shonky businessmen and women of all kinds.
These predators are hard to spot but once you know a bit about the etheric it gets easier. All predators have an etherically curled lip that is usually curled up at the right side of the mouth. It's a very subtle snarl that speaks from their cold, reptilian brain. Predators are heartless and self-centered; humanity is food for them that provides sex, money, service, adulation and admirers. Predators are materialists; they see humans as underlings placed here to serve them and/or hold them up. So etherically and/or sometimes physically, the predator's snarl speaks of an utter disdain for others. Now, socially he or she may play Mr. Nice Guy but you aren't looking at the "show" they offer, you look for the underlying demonic feeling that bends their etheric and drives their life. In fact, the more a person plays at being nice, the darker they usually are. When you bump into Mr. Nice Guy, or Little Miss Perfect, proceed with great caution or better still, flee.
Perception is a lot to do with understanding signs, some of which are obvious once you know what to look for. For example, most men who wear a moustache that don't have a beard as well are usually authoritarian. They seek control. The moustache often hides a closet Nazi. It grants them the inner sense of importance, manhood and virility. They are here as the elite, to act as prison guards for humanity. Of course, there are exceptions to this rule but a moustache offers you a serious warning.
About the larger picture: This was on Rense today:
http://www.rense.com/general63/euth.htm
A nurse alleges that it is fairly common for the elderly to be conveniently euthanized at hospitals. Tren might be able to add more.
About Michael: I have nothing further to say.
Kathy
]]>Despite the fact that your recent reappearance here at NR seems soley to nitpick various people's posts using an air of contempt and disdain....(looks like I finally made my way into "Bumblebee's Nitpicking Hotseat").....I'll still respond, regardless. 
It would be one thing if you were genuinely contributing stuff to the forum as well as questioning and debating, but it's another thing entirely when your posts seem solely focused on nitpicking and hassling members. But again, I'll address your comments despite the fact that I sense it's futile.
lyra wrote:murderers on death row get a more humane option for death in those States that use lethal injection. Boom, it's over in minutes, minimal suffering.
Hi Lyra, you should know that:
Active euthanasia is not legal in the US, in any state.
Hmm. Well, that's interesting because it's used as a means to execute prisoners on death row in certain states. Timothy McVeigh of the OKC bombing was a recent, famous example that most people would be familiar with.
Here's a list of which U.S. States execute prisoners in which particular ways:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article … =245#state
As you will see from the link, lethal injection, aka, euthanasia, is a common method. Almost the preferred method it seems. So while it may not be legal, as you're claiming, the fact is, it's being done.
Apart from my personal view and/or the truth on this case; I find it odd that in this case that argument is used by the people opposing both active and passive euthanasia for Terri. Active euthanasia is a sensitive topic, used so casualy for the argument. Why is active euthanasia relevant in this case? Should it be allowed? Disregarded questions. It's just used as a device, a means to an end.
Not entirely sure what you're trying to ask here, but I'll take a stab at it anyway. The correlation I was trying to make with my quote is: Terri's 2-week slow burn death from dehydration and starvation was absolutely inhumane. IF they were going to kill her, then why not at least do it humanely? Why should an innocent woman who has never hurt anybody die a long, drawn out, torturous death while people convicted of murder(s), rape(s), terrorist acts, etc. receive quick, humane, painless deaths? Hell, people have their PET ANIMALS put down with lethal injections, but they couldn't even do that for Terri, once they made the decision that they were going to kill her? Does this make sense? Maybe to you, but not to me. THAT was the point I was trying to make. If they were going to "legally" kill her, why not make it as painless as possible?
What has the death penalty to do with Terri's case? They are different...
See above.
yet I get the impression that mention of it is used manipulatively: "If you are against the death penalty, you surely are against the death penalty of this innocent woman".
That's not what I was saying at ALL, bumblebee. Again, please see the above re-explanation of what my post was saying.
The death penalty has nothing to do with it. Terminal sedation does not equal execution or murder. Yes, for some people it appearently does; not for me, what do you think?
So bumblebee, if someone punched you out until you were unconscious and half dead, and then you woke up in a brain damaged state, completely reliant on others for your survival....including the person who punched you out in the first place........ and then those people eventually ceased your food and water supply while you lay there, helpless in bed, unable to do anything about it, you wouldn't consider those people to be killing you?
Interesting. I guess you wouldn't, and, you are entitled to that view. But God forbid that should ever happen to you.
And on a ps sidenote, I want to add that despite how this might come across, this is not an emotional hot button for me. So, I'm not trying to come across as being all riled up about it, because I've understood and maintained from the beginning, as evidenced by my first posting on this thread, that there's something MUCH bigger going on here, possibly even something Karmic, which is above and beyond us. This one was out of our hands, and it was my gut instinct that the fate was already decided from the beginning. Karma's gonna do what karma's gonna do. So it's not in my interest to have a round and round debate on the matter.
]]>murderers on death row get a more humane option for death in those States that use lethal injection. Boom, it's over in minutes, minimal suffering.
Hi Lyra, you should know that:
Active euthanasia is not legal in the US (edit: except Oregon)
Terminal sedation has been found to be humane.
Apart from my personal view and/or the truth on this case; I find it odd that in this case that argument is used by the people opposing both active and passive euthanasia for Terri. Active euthanasia is a sensitive topic, used so casualy for the argument. Why is active euthanasia relevant in this case? Should it be allowed? Disregarded questions. It's just used as a device, a means to an end.
What has the death penalty to do with Terri's case? They are different, yet I get the impression that mention of it is used manipulatively: "If you are against the death penalty, you surely are against the death penalty of this innocent woman". The death penalty has nothing to do with it. Terminal sedation does not equal execution or murder. Yes, for some people it appearently does; not for me, what do you think?
Terri's case imo is not unique, it happens all the time. Sometimes the family doesn't know about it and the doctors decide about live and death, sometimes the family doesn't care. Sometimes the parents of the dying or comatose person battling it out with the significant other. Life isn't simple, regardless if Shiavo is the evil psychopath some people want to see or not.
]]>Terri Schiavo's body gave out after 14 days without food and water, she passed away this morning.
Actually, isn't it 13 days and today is the 31st?
Kathy
As I've written on another thread here, in addition to serving as a major distraction, the corrupt/controlled mainstream media's focus on Terri Schindler's (Schiavo) demise is serving the elite's satanic agenda of diminishing the value of life by showcasing what amounts to a public execution -- an occultic murder -- and justifying it in order to diminish/desensitize the public to their culture of death.
It's their little way of enforcing the idea that the "imperfect/disabled" are "less than" and undeserving -- nazi eugenics in action. And their distortions and outright lies about the actual situation are par for the course.
This also serves to fan the flames of the phony "left-right" political paradigm, and is a concerted effort to demonize the so-called American Christian/Patriot movement, and an attempt by the globalists to inflame and incite a violent reaction from those on this "side" of the political spectrum.
They are setting the stage to get the desired violent reaction, and/or trying to implant in the public's mind a group to blame if they trigger their mind-controlled slaves to resort to violence.
They then have a further excuse to impose even more of their draconian police state measures on Americans, while demonizing/blaming/ those who resist/disagree.
Problem, reaction, solution. Their favorite game.
These are all really, really good points. And not to further fan the flames of people's anger, but seriously.....murderers on death row get a more humane option for death in those States that use lethal injection. Boom, it's over in minutes, minimal suffering.
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