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			<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50434">http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/v … hp?t=50434</a></p><p>The claim is that the senate has been &quot;rammed through the Senate last night at 9PM&quot; and that &quot;the Senate and House are playing tit for tat, each group is trying to get the other to pass companion bills to legislation that they&#039;ve passed in their body. In other words, in our case, since S.3546 has passed in the Senate, the Senate is now pressuring the House to pass the companion bill which is HR6168.&quot;</p><p>Here&#039;s the petition.</p><p><a href="http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/373269232#body">http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeacti … 69232#body</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 00:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I still think this whole issue is being blown up out of proportion, and I don&#039;t think the supplement industry is going to disappear any time soon.</p><p>Jen has SPOKEN <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>orphicart wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I&#039;ve had a lot of chronic health issues to deal with so I&#039;ve done a lot of research about what gets you the most nutrition fast, and in the most balanced way. I&#039;ve had to switch to a raw food diet (veggies and fruits)</p><p> I&#039;m juicing wheatgrass which is a WHOLE FOOD in and of itself, *extremely* nutritious and easy to grow. 2 oz of wheatgrass juice a day is equivalent to 2lbs of brocolli.</p><p>I plan on phasing out suppliments after that, since I&#039;m getting energy from LIVE food which is so much better - here&#039;s a link to check out. So no worries, if they stop suppliments, just juice some wheatgrass or sprouts, there are SO many things that are living you can replace it with.</p><p><a href="http://www.growwheatgrass.com/">http://www.growwheatgrass.com/</a></p></blockquote></div><p>I do agree sounds like you have a excellent diet. There is much to be said about eating live food.</p><p>The EU law only favours the synthetic form of vitamins and supplements while many of the natural forms are on the banned list at present.<br />This favours the large pharmaceuticals who can make these very cheaply.<br />Only synthetic Vitamin E and synthetic Selenium are allowed while the natural occuring form of these are on the banned list.</p><p>The synthetic forms are not usually well absorbed by the body and are inferior in both safety and effectiveness.</p><p>I agree with both you and Lyra that losing supplements is not the end of the world as you should get these from food bearing in mind much of the soil our food is grown on is deplete in trace elements.<br />There may be times however, say when sick that we may want extra vit c or zinc or selenium only to find that we are forced to buy a crap synthetic version that may do more harm than good.</p><p>This is only stage 1, next it will be herbs (grow your own) and so on until all that is good and natural and taken by informed freewill will be replaced with all that is synthetic and forced.</p><p>I am just getting images of satan as i am writing this and the thought satan hates nature.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the raw vegan diet is great. I work for the magazine Living Nutrition as copy editor, website: livingnutrition.com.&nbsp; The managing editor, Dave<br />Klein, has written a wonderful book, Your Natural Diet:&nbsp; Alive Raw Foods.<br /><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/0971752605/ref=dp_proddesc_0/002-4957611-9272817?%5Fencoding=UTF8&amp;n=283155">http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/produc … p;n=283155</a></p><p>I have a few copies to give away.&nbsp; Anyone who is interested can email me.</p><p>Jen</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>This is not going to happen in the UK without a major fight. The rest of europe may role over and play dead but Tony Blair&#039;s not gonna be able to dump this on to us without some serious opposition, and it&#039;s already brewing. </p><p>I came across this video yesterday, thanks to Kathy. It&#039;s called&nbsp; &quot;We Become Silent&quot; and it&#039;s well worth watching. Pass it on to everyone you know particuclarly those that still buy into the illusion that our governments are acting in our best interests:</p><p><a href="http://www.welltv.com/">http://www.welltv.com/</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>lyra wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Barefoot Doc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I hope Lyra is right and we can all ignore this bizarre ban and buy mail order from abroad.</p></blockquote></div><p>Well, I offer up an invite - if anybody outside of America ever needs an American contact to purchase herbal supplements, vitamins, etc. for them and mail it off to them, I&#039;m here.&nbsp; &nbsp;My email is scorpio948@yahoo.com, just send an email and let me know.&nbsp; &nbsp; It&#039;s honestly not a problem.&nbsp; &nbsp;As far as payment reimbursement, I have a PayPal account for my business website which I&#039;ll give the link to if needed, or you can mail a check.&nbsp; It&#039;s all very easy.&nbsp; &nbsp;<img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" />&nbsp; I&#039;d love any opportunity to subvert the system, just ask!</p></blockquote></div><p>Thanks Lyra thats an offer that may come in handy.</p><p>I have had paranoid thoughts about the alternative health market&nbsp; being driven underground like illegal abortions in the old days.<br />&quot;psst want to buy some vitamin C got echinacea too very good price for you&quot; <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>As you say many of us can grow our own herbs too and look for the loopholes.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Barefoot Doc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I hope Lyra is right and we can all ignore this bizarre ban and buy mail order from abroad.</p></blockquote></div><p>Well, I offer up an invite - if anybody outside of America ever needs an American contact to purchase herbal supplements, vitamins, etc. for them and mail it off to them, I&#039;m here.&nbsp; &nbsp;My email is scorpio948@yahoo.com, just send an email and let me know.&nbsp; &nbsp; It&#039;s honestly not a problem.&nbsp; &nbsp;As far as payment reimbursement, I have a PayPal account for my business website which I&#039;ll give the link to if needed, or you can mail a check.&nbsp; It&#039;s all very easy.&nbsp; &nbsp;<img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" />&nbsp; I&#039;d love any opportunity to subvert the system, just ask!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The EU has ruled today that the ban will go ahead<br />I am outraged, the illusion of democracy and free choice is plain now.<br />Its not so much the vitamins that concern me but the herbs and other supplements that are in direct competition with the pharmies which usually offer more effective and safer treatments than chemical drugs.</p><p>The Pharmies must be laughing their heads off right now, its outrageous and downright hypocracy that this is being sold to the public as a &quot;safety measure&quot; while pharmie drugs kill and maim tens of thousands while only a few silly people overdose on supplements.</p><p>Complete and utter madness they invert all truths and push this crazy illusion.</p><p>I hope Lyra is right and we can all ignore this bizarre ban and buy mail order from abroad.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Toad_in_the_Matrix wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I seriously hope your right. <br />I swear by Vit C.</p></blockquote></div><p>Well, I&#039;ve been thinking about this whole issue since about a year and a half ago when it was first mentioned.&nbsp; As somebody who is into using supplements it initially scared me but then I realized....the trick is to find what works and find a natural source of it.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>For instance, you mention Vit. C.&nbsp; &nbsp;Vitamin C occurs naturally in many fruits and vegetables.&nbsp; &nbsp;Should the worse case scenario happen, it&#039;s not like you will be cut off from Vitamin C.&nbsp; You&#039;ll just have to get it via fruits and vegetables....the way people did before vitamins were created.</p><p>There are some supplements that I love because they seem to do something, and sometimes my body gets cravings for them.....and upon further look, they also happen to be regular spices that can be purchased in the grocery store. Ginger, garlic, cayenne.&nbsp; &nbsp; Another item is flax seed oil-&nbsp; the wonder oil.&nbsp; Right now I purchase it in capsules, but flax seeds are a regular food item that can be purchased at the store, giving the same results.&nbsp; I&#039;m also all about green tea, which again appears in either supplement form, or as a perfectly legit and legal tea.&nbsp; So in the event that supplements are banned, I&#039;d still have access to these items.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>For everybody, not just Toad:&nbsp; &nbsp;Unfortunately we need to have a back up plan in the event things are banned.&nbsp; &nbsp;Look at what supplements you&#039;re currently relying on, see what&#039;s something that&#039;s absolutely necessary to you, weed out the ones you could technically do without, then figure out if there&#039;s any other way in which you could obtain the ingredients in your necessary supplements should stuff get banned. </p><p>- Food items / herbs / spices that contain these supplement ingredients that you can get at the store;<br />- Can you grow them yourself?&nbsp; If so, get some seeds now, learn how to grow them, so you&#039;ll be ready if the time ever does come;<br />- Do you have any overseas contacts who could mail you stuff?&nbsp; &nbsp;Melatonin is one of those items outlawed in Britain and Australia from what I understand, so there are Brits and Australians who have American buddies or family members mail them bottles of the stuff;</p><p>Just some ideas to keep in mind................there are always loopholes and ways around things....always!!&nbsp; &nbsp;<img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2005 16:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I seriously hope your right. <br />I swear by Vit C.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2005 15:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I stopped by my fave vitamin store, bought a couple of things, and talked to one of the workers there about CODEX.&nbsp; &nbsp;It&#039;s a complicated bill involving many countries,&nbsp; one of those things that is very difficult to enforce. She said if any resolutions were passed, they would probably be appealed.&nbsp; As you all probably know,&nbsp; the appeals process can stall things forever, so it seems we don&#039;t really have much to worry about and are not in any imminent danger of losing our right to buy supplements. </p><p>Don&#039;t worry, be happy <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p><p>Jen</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 15:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=19995#p19995</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I am no expert but this does not look good.</p><p><a href="http://ficaa.com/viewarticle.aspx?id=1195603">http://ficaa.com/viewarticle.aspx?id=1195603</a></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Xenopope)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 22:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=18178#p18178</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I believe it&#039;s possible to be healthy without taking supplements, even though I personally take a lot.&nbsp; If this new ban does come to pass (and it doesn&#039;t seem too likely it will happen by next month), could be that it&#039;s time to let go of them...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2005 20:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link Barefoot Doc <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Allopahic medicine conveniently &quot;forgets&quot; just where many of &quot;their&quot; medicine comes from-pick a drug and it&#039;s no surprise that many cultures have already known all about it for a LONG time.</p><p>If you got the space, grow your own medicinal plants. Gardening is a nice way to incorporate exercise, meditation, and true thankfulness for the gifts of nature.&nbsp; Add a good amount of bird seed to the yard and the birds keep the bug population WAY down.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2005 14:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=17283#p17283</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>The first battle has been won see <a href="http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/food-supplements-directive-illegal.html">http://www.natural-health-information-c … legal.html</a></p><p>Don&#039;t you just love the way these corrupt creeps try to make out its for our own safety, harrasing zapper manufacturers, scaremongering over colloidal silver, herbs&nbsp; and suppressing alternative cancer cures.</p><p>Its the people who take responsibility for their own health and can think for themselves and are not part of the herd and who know how to protect themselves from &quot;plagues&quot; that worries the illuminati so much.<br />Perhaps they are scared of the hundreth monkey syndrome.<br />Death from taking vitamin and mineral and other supplements practically nil<br />Death from allopahic medicines tens of thousands.<br />It makes my lower self&#039;s blood boil.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2005 15:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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