Noble Realms — Rainwater collection permits

Re: Rainwater collection permits

2005-02-07T17:55:16Z

Ayn Rand, writing in [i wrote:

Atlas Shrugged[/i]]"You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up
against -- then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful
gestures. We're after power and we mean it. Your fellows were pikers, but
we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to
rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack
down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes
them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible
for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding
citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws
that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted --
and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt.
Now that's the system...that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll
be easier to deal with."

Re: Rainwater collection permits

2005-02-07T16:46:47Z

Haven wrote:

Do they get off on this sort of thing? The fact that they have to clear this up is ludicrous.

Well, they don't "have" to do anything. That's the thing most people forget. We're all told what the laws are, including all the petty little beaurocratic nonsense like this, and the local ordinances and regulations, and everybody faithfully obeys them like good little puppets. Even if they get annoyed by it, they grudgingly follow along, mumbling under their breath.

Why?

What's going to happen if you don't get the permit to put a barrel in your yard to collect rainwater? Who's going to see? Who will know??

Nobody. So you do it anyway, and you don't get the permit, because the permit is bullshit, and we all know it.

I break rules and regulations every day. ! And I've been doing it for years. From the petty and mundane, to the bigger stuff that's considered "law breaking." It's in my nature to push the boundaries, see what I can get away with. They want us to be restricted. Push back. Rebel. See how long you can go without filing the paperwork and paying the fees and wasting your precious time and energy to make sure you're "in compliance." Petty nonsense I won't bother with or listen to...

Re: Rainwater collection permits

2005-02-07T16:19:59Z

What! This is insane, what are they going to do next, that you have to have a permit to give birth!!!

Rainwater collection permits

2005-02-06T05:33:01Z

Oh, they can go %^&* themselves.

2005 Senate Bill 5113 (Regarding rainwater collection )
Introduced by Sen. Paull Shin on January 13, 2005, to authorize the Department of Ecology to permit by rule, under conditions appropriate to the water resources inventory area, the use of rain barrels and cisterns to collect rainwater intended for beneficial use on the same property from where it was collected. The bill remedies a regulatory problem stemming from a 1917 law that requires the state to issue use permits for all waters, including rain water. In recent times some counties have been denying building permits for residences that included cisterns due to lack of clarity about the 1917 law. This bill would remove the mandatory permitting process and allow the Department of Ecology to establish general rules for the use of rain barrels and cisterns for beneficial use. For many years, people have collected rainwater for use on their property. This practice, while generally harmless, may be illegal. This bill is designed to clear up the confusion regarding the legal use of rain barrels and cisterns to collect water for beneficial use on one’s own property. Landowners would not need to seek permits on an individual basis.
Referred to the Senate Water, Energy, and Environment Committee on January 13, 2005.
Testimony in support offered to the Senate Water, Energy, and Environment Committee on January 26, 2005, by Senator Shin, prime sponsor; Richard Marin, Nordland, WA; Joe Stohr, DOE, Tim Pope, Northwest. They testified that it is good stewardship to allow this use and this bill is good language and policy. The DOE receives calls weekly regarding requirements for permits for rain barrels and the DOE doesn't require it although law technically says permits are needed. A review of program is suggested after a period of time along with a report back to the Committee. Residential uses vary from a few very small systems of 6,000 to 7,000 gallons to 30,000 gallons. Limiting water to use on property limits the size of cisterns and recharge from cisterns occurs throughout the year. Re-use is a good thing but the bill should be broad enough to allow some commercial and agricultural uses.

Do they get off on this sort of thing? The fact that they have to clear this up is ludicrous.