A (NEE) O

As l have quoted.... [Your Choice As Always]

Please be aware, there is no oppositions stated here.....

Ask yourself, in many of the 'stories' there are clues as to a group of men turning up thru periods in time, with stories to the an cients, (the pillar of salt) destroyed cities and peoples and remember it is these that made up so many myths.....

l wish you all well on your journeys....

Thank you  & Tah AO

First I'll say that I've no idea what the truth is about Stuart Wilde but my intuition says that he's a good guy - but far from perfect, and far from always being right - and I certainly don't agree with everything he says and does.

I think it was AO who asked why people like or follow Stuart, and for me the answer is that he has always come across as being very human and has always made spirituality very accessible. Personally I don't want my spiritual teachers to be holy and perfect and check every box on someone elses opinion on what makes a perfect spiritual teacher. I want my spiritual teachers to be real human beings, and as a sidenote - aren't we ALL spiritual teachers?

I will admit that I have some reservations about the direction he's taken this last few years, particularly with the redeemers club. However, I don't have much of a problem with what he's charging, even though I can't afford it myself. I say this because I absolutely know that Stuart isn't doing what he's doing for the money.

Perhaps a lot of people here don't know Stuart's background, but from the late 80's to late 90's he was making huge amounts of money from his books (which were fairly mainstream spirituality) and lectures and workshops which he did regularly all over the world.  At the height of his popularity I think he was making millions of dollars per year. He was also charging several thousand dollars for week-long workshops and many people would willingly pay that.

Then in about '98 or '99 he decided to 'retire' from being a mainstream spiritual teacher and he disappeared for a few years. In 2001 he returned with 'Gods Gladiators' which was effectively 'career suicide' for him. His previous publisher Hay House refused to publish it so he was forced to self publish it as an e-book initially before it was then published in paperback by an independent publisher. Most of his massive fanbase who were used to his more inspiring and inspirational books deserted him in droves. I think it's fair to say that most people just couldn't stomach his new direction.

I think it's fair to say that if Stuart was as controlling and egotisical as AO is making out then he would never have published God's Gladiators and commited 'career suicide' in the way he did. He could quite easily have kept on churning out books in his old-style that would most probably have been best sellers and kept his many hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of fans happy. He would still be raking in millions of dollars every year and perhaps have as big and adoring fanbase as any of the current popular teachers are enjoying (ie Chopra, Dyer, Redfield etc). The fact he rejected all that to speak his truth speaks volumes about the guy in my opinion.

I don't think Stuart's a saint and I don't think anyone should put the guy on a pedestal. Whether you agree with him or not I think he's always worth reading and I think a huge proportion of his written work is extremely valuable to anyone on any spiritual path. But as always, take what's useful to you, and leave the rest.

If AO is right and Stuart's really a bad guy. Then all I can say is that I sure wish there were a lot more bad guys like Stuart in the world.

Do you see what you are all doing...here....in the past few months since the start of the Redeemers Club last year, he has began to reign in the followers to his advantage....HE IS WELL  KNOWN FOR HIS SCAMS....He will tell you not to use this drug or that one, meanwhile once he gets you in his pockets he begins to effect you...with his Dis -Ease, he will tell you your not special all the while making you feel and think you are...HE USES REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY....He wont listen to you if you challenge his work or worth....But he will continually talk about himself....HIS A LIST the very same as Crowley used to suck them in...HE WILL FEED OFF YOUR LIFE ENERGY....because you give  it freely....

He cannot take no one with him....yet he will promise just this.....There are many ordinary sleepers that have seen his kind take many altering  drugs...they are the dammed, the walled up waters  of their perceived dreams....of grandeur angst....He has proclaimed hiself as being many names over the years...yet listen carefully....you are all being  sucked in....you are the juice...he will drink....and rejoice in....

The Dow is Money hungry and he will feast upon you all that give him your own Energy....

Hey there AO, quite the venomous rant here...the comparison to Crowley, that's pretty rough.
Perhaps I've missed something looking through your other posts, but how about an anecdote or two in support of this radically polarized PoV? You know, it sounds kind of personal, like he stole your wife or ripped off your invalid mother. WTF?

It serves no purpose to go on like this without providing the details of what, why, where and how.

Anyway, i did not think Kato 3 would wake up every day and feel proud of her hitpiece against me.  It would not have stood the test of time very well in it's then current form.   I would be very happy to drop the subject.   Montalk, unless others have something to add,  let this be the tombstone on my reply to K3 and her students.  Thanks.

If it walks like a duck!!!.....I will not say I am at all surprised.  Alas I am most certainly finished feeding this Black Hole. Both "pieces" will be available on the recycle bin thread. I do not feel pride for what I share from my heart only gratitude to be free to see as I clearly and on as many levels as I do. I feel greater gratitude still that occasionally there is pull to express it with words as that is usually most educational for my total being. Nexus your behavior speaks louder than any words or descriptions I could ever produce. Well done.

lyra wrote:

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That's good that there is somebody here with the personal behind the scenes knowledge of what's going on with Stuie.   The critics don't have the full story, so try not to take heart if they seem nitpicky...they only have Stuart's writings, public persona, website and recent change in direction to go on when formulating their opinions.  At the same time, the critics should take note if somebody who knows Stuart personally is saying that he's not only aware of these very issues, but is taking steps to change.  That's a good thing for them to know. 

Anyway, just wanted to pipe up with my neutral third party 2 cents. 

Read one of his articles, just read one sentence, it tells the whole story.

"Love the Tao, love the animals, walk in silence and serenity and the Beings of the Tao come and protect you and teach you for you are one of them."

Everything you need to know is contained there, the fact that another ego is prepared to vouch for Mr Wilde's impending sainthood is of no use in discerning his spiritual character.

Well for me, Stuart Wilde at the moment is on the back burner, which is what I've already said in this thread.  That whole, "it's like a bus ride" analogy I used earlier, where everybody needs to decide where they're going to get off.  And I got off about a mile back.   But others are still on, still going, so everybody has to do what's right for them.  So he's on the back burner for me, but, I will still keep an eye out, still check in to his site.  I am interested to see where he may be going, and if changes do become evident.  If not, well, no worries, because I already got off the bus, and I still have some of his older materials, four books and a bunch of printed out articles.

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And AO?  I know you mean well, but how is *commanding* anybody here to do anything any different than what Stuart Wilde is supposedly doing?   

I've always been very adament in my own life that I never directly tell another what they "NEED" to be doing.  No commanding of another to do this, do that, don't do this, don't do that.   My philosophy is, you don't tell another how to live their life, period.   You can present what you know, share your views, explain your side, so now they are more informed and have more material to make a decision.....but you stop short when it comes to outright commanding.

You may not agree with him, but he has a right to be out there, doing his thing, and people have a right to follow if they choose, even getting burned in the process, or at least coming away with a mixed bag of experiences.  Who are you to decide for the rest of the world whether Stuart Wilde is "allowed" to have sites out there, and making the final decision that will affect the people who read and follow his work?  For all you know, that's one of the lessons that somebody needs to go through.  So who are you to interfere with that and decide for them?

....Unless it's Stuart's material, right?  Read all you can.........just not his stuff.  Only read what *you* tell us to read.  Do you see your own hypocritical contradiction?  You claim that you want people to read all that they can, but in the next breath you talk about your campaign to shut him down. 

.....and only listen and give our attention to you, right?    Commands,  telling people what to do, what not to do.  How is this any different from what Stuart supposedly does?

You sound like the Man Behind the Curtain in "The Wizard of Oz" by this point, screaming with a booming voice, sounding panicked that anybody will dare continue on the path.  Or the Warning Rocks in "The Labyrinth"....."STOP!!  GO BACK BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!"  Like a crazy person, screaming and ranting with capital letters.

Again, I know you mean well and I do think you have some valid points for consideration, no doubt.   But it's never about outright demanding/commanding what others need to be doing or not doing.  It's about presenting the points for consideration, the information that you know, and then leaving it at that.  In the end the decision should be theirs.  Not yours.   

Stuart Wilde has just as much right to be here doing what he's doing, and his readers/followers have the right to make their own decisions and choices...whether you agree with it or not.  Have you never made any mistakes?   Didn't you learn from them?  It's called *living.*  That's what we're here to do.  What you want to do is deny people a life experience.  Again, I understand the intentions behind it, you want to spare people pain and suffering and loss of money and whatever else that you think will happen in your mind should they hook up with Stuart Wilde.  But that's where you present your information, what you know to be true about him, and then let people make up their own minds in the end.

I'll tell you this:  I've had people over the years try to prevent me from doing something I wanted to do, alter my life path basically.  I considered what they said....and in the end I made up my own mind, and usually I did what I wanted to do anyway.   I let my intuition guide me.  And I've never regretted it!   Whether it was trivial things like deciding to see a movie that most people were trashing (later to discover that the negative trashing was actually "damage control" to prevent as many people as possible from seeing a movie with highly meaningful metaphors about what's going on in this reality) or bigger decisions involving moving to a new state, like with Florida for instance several years ago - in the end I had to decide for myself.  I had to LIVE.  And if I ended up falling face first into the muck as a result of that choice, then so be it.  I still lived!

The fact that you even typed out your post and hit "Submit" means you're most likely unable to understand the points I'm trying to make here, and so my words will most likely fall on deaf ears.  You won't get it, but, so be it.  I'll try anyway!

A (N E) O

He STUART WILDE is a CONTROL FREAK....look at his actions....he tells it all....Yet none of you here are listening...and slowly slowly his followers are  penetrating each site on the net,web to sites that are all about METAPHYSICS....He has become possessed of His OwnSelf....He has them now on many sites, even scam.com where they post his news....

The more attention you all give the more he climbs....His Tower....His Dow....not his TAO....not his DAO....He  will  use many  words taken from many books  on  myths and religion....He draws in the unkin like Justis Barrymore, now known once again  as Thomas as Pancho and many other  identitys....

l will continue to close his sites down....two of his own personal  ones have closed, now he knows l am watching him....have been studying him for years....He will teachf those of not sound intentions how to get in ......and they will learn how to move their energys and become the Negs, that  is all he attracts....he will take no good kind soul....and he will collect from each and everyone of you by submitting his work here and elsewhere....Dont be fooled by his charisma...it is a sham...and a SHAME...

He will tell you not to read any material....Dont be fooled by him....read  all  that you can....test  all that  you can...He will ask you to open your heart to him...yet he will say that isnt so...and leave it up to you....

He will profess daily, of war and anger and hatred....Be  it all his own doings....He will be liken to the News....all hatred and anger, and in the  end part he will give you a cute puppy tale....Dont be fooled by him...

Stop talking and giving your energy to him...

Love all that you love....but make sure it is for the well being  of the Whole...and  not the Hole....Reverse  these simple worlds/words....and you will hear and see  what l am saying....

Listen to the songs he records...listen to the PURPLE ONE....the same as Crowley and many others if you care to research...

l warn you all again....Dont be fooled by his words....

He asks of the Euro...notice the SIGN.....look at the sign....feel it ......and know....what l know...

There are those that travel...in parts unknown to you here, and know this....if they become experts at deceiving, then they will travel to the past, which is only a step away for our kind, and they will make of themselves their world/words...

l warn you again....THINK NOT OF THIS MAN AND HIS DOINGS....

He his waiting for the year 2010/11 the end of our calenda....

He cannot take no one with him....yet he will promise just this.....There are many ordinary sleepers that have seen his kind take many altering  drugs...they are the dammed, the walled up waters  of their perceived dreams....of grandeur angst....He has proclaimed hiself as being many names over the years...yet listen carefully....you are all being  sucked in....you are the juice...he will drink....and rejoice in....

The Dow is Money hungry and he will feast upon you all that give him your own Energy....

STOP....and ask  yourself..........IS THIS FOR THE GOOD  OF THE ALL....

And you will know....

Tah A. O.

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That's good that there is somebody here with the personal behind the scenes knowledge of what's going on with Stuie.   The critics don't have the full story, so try not to take heart if they seem nitpicky...they only have Stuart's writings, public persona, website and recent change in direction to go on when formulating their opinions.  At the same time, the critics should take note if somebody who knows Stuart personally is saying that he's not only aware of these very issues, but is taking steps to change.  That's a good thing for them to know. 

Anyway, just wanted to pipe up with my neutral third party 2 cents. 

Read one of his articles, just read one sentence, it tells the whole story.

"Love the Tao, love the animals, walk in silence and serenity and the Beings of the Tao come and protect you and teach you for you are one of them."

Everything you need to know is contained there, the fact that another ego is prepared to vouch for Mr Wilde's impending sainthood is of no use in discerning his spiritual character.

She has removed her description of my actual being as described and has edited the text to appear softer and even concerned about what might happen to such beings [as myself supposedly controlled now]  but especially at death by the dreaded "theocratic bands".

Anyway, i did not think Kato 3 would wake up every day and feel proud of her hitpiece against me.  It would not have stood the test of time very well in it's then current form.   I would be very happy to drop the subject.   Montalk, unless others have something to add,  let this be the tombstone on my reply to K3 and her students.  Thanks.

I am saying that for reasons i've mentioned,  Kato3 cannot be relied upon to clearly 'read' Stuart Wilde by what he says or writes and that i cannot rely on her interpretations of same by what she writes about him... no matter how beautifull the prose.  I have seen such beautiful prose in some new age authors before and it may or may not represent the truth about the authors or the origin of their perceptions.  It may or may not originate in Spirit.  Does Stuart's work? 

I have never suggested that everything Stuart Wilde presents is suspect.  But i have said that what he has got wonky, is in my view, really wonky.  Everyone knows i have said as much and i have explained where i think he departs from reality.   So all this must bring into question both the work and perhaps the motives of Stuart Wilde including his current offering... no matter how beautifully written.   Is it psychobabble or does it originate in Spirit.  We must find out for ourselves.  Can we know the truth of any of this by Stuarts words or by Kato 3s account of the realities in question?  You know i don't necessarilly think so.  Although it is in part a valid appeal for forgiveness.   But if K3 is honest with herself she will admit she was angry with me for several reasons and that is really why she has instigated the "smackdown" in the recycle bin.  I wrote off Das Moose's outburst there by seeing it for what it was.  A man who had succumbed to a rage.  So i wasn't going to give it what it didn't deserve.  My energy. 

But then Kato 3 appeared, trailing clouds of glory, and joined the fray.   And there, in impeccable style and prose, she described her credentials for delivering the coming judgements and she stepped off the throne, scepter in one hand,  sword in the other , and she knighted me... "soulless OP".    It is all there to read... still in the bin.  The symbolism is perfect.

Kato 3 must take ultimate responsibility for that 'sliming' because she is praising it as valid,  telling us she philosophically inspired it and is making excuses for her student's behavior which is far worse than anything i am accused of on NR by orders of magnitude.  I have been told by a "seer" no less that i am literally soulless.   So i think i do have a reasonable sense of proportion about this development on a public discussion board and that it is my accusors who have lost all proportion [thankyou DasMoose] by delivering to me the ultimate  "OP "smackdown" in an attempt to silence me.   So you may understand my peaceful desire to answer the ultimate verbal slander.

Let me be clear.   Kato 3 [or Stuart Wilde for that matter] may or may not have psychic perceptions.  If they have,  then these perceptions may or may not originate in Spirit.  Kato 3 believes they do but that is not necessarily true.  Spiritual intuitions originate in the spiritual Self and psychicism originates in the astral and mental planes.  Psychicism always masquerades as spiritual perception and it does a fair job of doing so because it is convincing ... both to the "seer" and to others.  You can usually observe the vein attempt to preserve the appearance of the 'forms' of "spirituality" in every word written and you can observe much else besides.

I dont think we can know much else about Stuart by reading Kato3s post.  That is, Kato3s "insights" about him are quite worthless.

From what Stuie posted a day after Kato3's vision and insights into his heart it may sound familiar and show that her insights are not quite worthless after all.

I'm offering a different view of Kato3, entropic machines, apologies, feeble attempts at humor and remorse; all this and more, in the Recycle Bin.  I hope you're not turning yourself inside out around this as you claim to have done to other people on NR; from what I'm reading in your post above, it seems we really do reap we sow.

Taoist Fractal Teachings
Stuart Wilde
August 3rd, 2007

I had a Taoist teacher years ago he told me of the magic of the energy of what we know today as Gaia, and how to walk along inside the spirit of Gaia and the Tao, and he told me one day I could summon the wind and watch as the trees bend over me as I walk past. It was all in my head in those days - conceptual ideas.
Like a romance that starts off with talking it eventually went to real feelings and as I watched a seagull flying and I could feel it in my heart and when it looked down at the ground I could feel the change as the air pressed on the back of its head and neck, and I could feel the slight adjustment the bird made to its wings in flight to compensate for the alternation in its flight pattern. Feeling the Tao is to empathize with the animals and to know that the tree is not just an inanimate object, or that the wind is not just air moving about, it has an identity. So now my romance went from thinking to feelings... true love was very close.
Then a Tao being stepped out of the Aluna and she taught me the Morph and she showed me what are now 80,000 visions and almost everything I know about the transdimensional worlds I got from her during the past six years. I’d pray to the Tao 6-8 times a day and I’d stay inside the feeling as much as possible, a walk in the park, a few minutes by the sea a visualization of a placid lake and sentiments of love for it all.
Then after six years another being stepped out of the Aluna, another teacher of the Tao, and he took me to the Avalon lake and to various anomalies I call the Scattered Camelots, and it was during those travels in this world that I realized that the Tao was inside me as well as outside. Fractal patterns and a great light would emit from my hands that I could see at night, and on my back was a painting of hills and rivers and animals roaming about, the painting is alive and changing minute-by-minute, it never stops morphing and changing, 24/7.

Once the Tao is inside you, you are the tree, you are the wind and when the panther walks its footprints on the ground appear as pad marks on your soul. You know where it went.

There are beings in the Aluna that are half-human, half-animal. The lower half is combed fur and hooves, and the upper part is female and stunningly beautiful. This form of hybrid sounds strange to our perception as we have never seen it before until now. But I understand how it could come about for once the Tao is inside you, you are half-human and half the spirit of nature. It threads throughout your body and comes out on your skin, and the Tao, she teaches you all the way, if you follow her sentiments and embrace her gentility and beauty. She shows you how to enter into her multi-dimension hyperspace; in essence she wants you to come back home to her because you are her beloved child.

The old legend said that Merlin moved in and out of this reality using a tree for the transfer from solid to not solid. After thirty years I completely understand that now, the Tao was inside him not as a concept, or even as a feeling, but as a fractal digital reality inside his human structure, and so the tree and its memories and he were as one.

Love the Tao, love the animals, walk in silence and serenity and the Beings of the Tao come and protect you and teach you for you are one of them. Family.

Sincerely,
Stuart Wilde