http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&a … derailment

do u know if these other train derailments had the conductor engine in the back, pushing the carts forward ? (sorry i dont have time to read the links atm)

The thing is..........

I just realized that there was yet ANOTHER derailed train carrying corrosive chemicals which forced evacuations in a small town somewhere here in the U.S., like maybe 2 weeks ago or so.  I will try to hunt that other story down.  So offhand, we have three derailed trains and one major tampering / interference with the NYC subway system, all within 2 - 3 weeks.........

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s … in_derails

In the meantime, I will try to hunt down that other derailed train / corrosive chemicals / evacuations story from a couple of weeks ago, see what I can dig up.   Does anybody here know what I'm talking about?   Anybody here recall seeing this story in the news recently??

Edit:   While I'm searching for that particular story, here are some other recent train derailment stories from recent weeks which I hadn't even heard of...........!   

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&a … at/2527325

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&a … wt/2523355

BINGO!  Found it......."South Carolina Train Crash, Gas Leak, Kill 8", from January 7, 2005.  Thank you, Yahoo Search Function.   

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&a … sleakkill8

This particular story is kind of like de ja vu.  Another train wreck, more corrosive chemicals, more evacuations.   Weird......

no one ever gets my sense of humor - thank you morning, I know. it was a joke playing on the generic reaction anyone would have when presented with the 3 - 5 year figure mixed with the speaking style of a caracter from MadTV. The white guy wearing the jumpsuit with the pillow in his shirt. he talks like that . . . I mean really morning . . .   . . .   . . .

Well I didn't get it either.  I don't watch TV, don't own one, so I had absolutely no clue what that outburst was all about.  I seriously thought you were drunk or high when you typed your post.      No offense....it went over my head too.

Xenopope wrote:

3 - 5 YEArs!! COME ON!! Lyra, come on. 3 - 5, Lyra, YEARS? come on. I really don't think, Lyra, 3 - 5 years?! come on.

Xenopope, Lyra's just telling you what the news was.   It's not like she's the one that made the original statement that it would take 3-5 years.

no one ever gets my sense of humor - thank you morning, I know. it was a joke playing on the generic reaction anyone would have when presented with the 3 - 5 year figure mixed with the speaking style of a caracter from MadTV. The white guy wearing the jumpsuit with the pillow in his shirt. he talks like that . . . I mean really morning . . .   . . .   . . .

. . . come on.

ya but reducing it from that to 3 months is pretty funny too. 'Oh, you don't like 3yrs.?? Okay, then we'll just fix it by next summer.'

Like they want the public to understand that they directly control such a vast portion of their lives.

Remember a few years ago how like 5 different major regions around the world had independent energy grid failures?

I'm on a different track so to speak - pardon the pun.  But my first thought when I read morningsun76's first reply was collective unconscious/morphogenic field.

Maybe the people responsible were of similar mindset to start with and that is how they allowed similar things to occur.  They tapped into the morphogenic field (MF) (I think there's a more up-to-date version of that term now). Maybe if the MF was being 'tweaked' by a more advanced being (I say advanced, not STO/STA) then that might make those of similar mindsets more likely to do / allow such things.

Maybe they are more microbiologists Sorry bad joke.

3 - 5 YEArs!! COME ON!! Lyra, come on. 3 - 5, Lyra, YEARS? come on. I really don't think, Lyra, 3 - 5 years?! come on.

Xenopope, Lyra's just telling you what the news was.   It's not like she's the one that made the original statement that it would take 3-5 years.

Anyway almost immediately after the official "3-5 year" estimate was made, there was a huge response of incredulity from the public and within the first day, I believe, they adjusted that estimate down to "3-6 months."  Apparently it's an old system which will now have to be retrofitted with the current technology, and most or all of it is made by a single overseas manufacturer, so it's a complicated project.  That's what I got from the bits I read about it.

I didn't even know it was possible to do this. In Houston there's the MetroRail and one could park on it - there were about 30 recorded (reported) accidents between the MetroRail and Houston motorists in the first couple months - I believe.

3 - 5 YEArs!! COME ON!! Lyra, come on. 3 - 5, Lyra, YEARS? come on. I really don't think, Lyra, 3 - 5 years?! come on.

that was my first thought . . .

that IS the serious note!!! I find it very difficult to just fleetingly turn away from that subject

Yes! do it. It's on. It is so on.

As for the rail incident - 5 years seems like a drastically long time.  How in real terms will this affect people travelling in NY?  I've never been, but have heard that commuting was already pretty bad there...

hence- i saw God and Dog, obvious inverse words.

so, whats the big deal you may say ?

Well, what i thought of next was the fact that Dogs have UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. no matter how hard you scold them, smack them, or even (i dont condone this) hit them-- the dog will ALWAYS LOVE YOU. it will always be by your side.. etc..

thats why dogs are called "Man's Best Friend" right ?

So, i saw this inverse connection as a symbol of how we should be living, or as a symbol of what God (Creator) set as an example.

Now, that may sound cool and all, but what does it have to do with the crazed pit bull crimes we hear sparadically?

Obviously they want you to think Dogs are bad.

Actually, this is all very interesting, and I never thought of it this way.   So, good idea!   I like it!   Dogs have been a recurring theme in my dreams since last June, and one time I was told that they were there to protect me.  Oddly enough, months after I was told that, Stuart Wilde mentioned the "guardian dogs" who arrived with the Tall Boys and Tall Girls, and how they were placed in certain areas to guard and protect.  Interesting coincidence.....!   In fact I just had a dream last night with a dog in it.  This time the dog was injured or had something wrong with it.  I was in a car, and it was on the road or something, and I stopped and got out and ran over to it, all worried and upset and wanting to help it.  Don't remember much else.  Not sure what it's supposed to mean....

But, topic for another thread maybe like I mentioned!     Might be a cool idea for a thread, about dogs, their symbolism (God = Dog) their connection to people, Stuart Wilde's claim about the protector guardian dogs, and the campaign against pit bulls.  What do you think?   A bit of a mish mosh if I do say so myself!   

ME TOO...how weird.   I haven't gotten teary eyed over a mainstream news story in some time, but I was reading some of the stories of the people who died or who were badly injured and I found myself getting sniffly.   Like the one guy who used his own blood to scrawl "I love my kids"  "I love Leslie" (his wife) on the train seat.  The old man who was banged up and had broken legs and arms, and who thanked his rescuers before dying.  I mean, my GOD....I had to click off the story and get up and walk around the office and find something to do to preoccupy myself after that.  yikes. 

Yes, it was a very nasty, violent crash.  Involved three trains by the time it was all said and done.   The passenger train flew up into the air, then jackknifed and landed across the other track, hitting two other trains in the process.   So far 10 people have died, but 25 more are in critical condition and could very well end up dying as well.  If that's the case then this will become the worst rail disaster in US history.

Hadn't heard that........very interesting indeed.......!   If that's the case, then they are the reason more people didn't die.  It's always nice to hear stories like that of people who really put themselves out there in times of catastrophe.  There were stories like that after 9/11.   

Solofleks.........Goro Adachi is probably going to come up with some interesting symbolism / numerical codes relating to this event and the NYC event.  Will keep my eyes open for that, and if he posts anything I'll get back on here and mention it........

ANYway, about the trains and subway interference and the symbolism and what it could all mean for us down the line .........................!

I tend to think that a pit bulls' genetics have the potential to be aggressive, and of course they have those jaws that latch on and won't let go.......but if raised in a loving, happy home then that potential won't manifest.   I can figure out what the deal is with going after knives, like you said, it's so transparant....but pit bulls is still a mystery to me.....

dogs, genetically, are descendants from wolves.  the hunting instinct can be triggered by some living being on all fours.  it is hard to predict if or when this will happen.  the issue with pit bulls is their psi capability in their jaws.  many, many pits are raised in loving homes, never a problem, and then randomly attack a child.  it has happened many times in this area.  one that comes to mind, a female pit, 8 years, raised in the home with the children...very loving environment.  one day children over playing in the living room as usual, pit was triggered, child was killed.  whenever i see someone in a parking lot with a pit and stop to chat, while the parents have several toddlers in tow, i share this information, for the safety of the child.  falls on deaf ears.  people have no understanding of canine genetics, and don't want to.  we have had several pits here over the years...two puppy raised.  raised with other dogs, cats etc.  without fail there have been either cat or other dog issues.  it may not manifest for several years.  all of them very loving and gentle with us.  one pit, Sweetheart, attacked another dog and after it was over wagging her tail, had a fine time, ready to play with the dog she had just mauled.  then you have the popularity of the breed which brings in backyard breeders, in-breeding etc.  This country is famous for destroying good genetics, and the AKC by their practices, contribute to and often cause this by their practices.  The AKC, another issue.  Suffice it to say, most purebreds in this country are genetically challenged.  That is the reason that some people are willing to pay the enormous fees to have a pure-bred shipped from Europe, which has done a much better job of preserving good genetic lines.

but pit bulls is still a mystery to me.....

okay, this may sound completely out of context, and completely silly, but goshdarn, it has been on my mind the past few days, for some odd reason, and now it seems this is a chance to put my idea somewhere where it kind of has a connection.

here goes:

i was pondering the concept of God, and Love, and how it sends analogies or holographic representations of itself into our world to manifest.

well... i guess i should say that i was also thinking about my little doggie, or maybe him just being around me kind of kick started this idea.

so... i tend to see strange connections between words when they are reversed, or jumbled, etc...

hence- i saw God and Dog, obvious inverse words.

so, whats the big deal you may say ?

Well, what i thought of next was the fact that Dogs have UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. no matter how hard you scold them, smack them, or even (i dont condone this) hit them-- the dog will ALWAYS LOVE YOU. it will always be by your side.. etc..

thats why dogs are called "Man's Best Friend" right ?

So, i saw this inverse connection as a symbol of how we should be living, or as a symbol of what God (Creator) set as an example.

Now, that may sound cool and all, but what does it have to do with the crazed pit bull crimes we hear sparadically?

Obviously they want you to think Dogs are bad.

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Now, that may be WAY OUT THERE and unrelated to this topic, and im sorry.
Its just been on my mind waiting to come out.

Back ON the subject of the LA train derailment-- i was listening to the follow up this morning, (which lyra summed up) and this immense feeling of sadness overcame me... i thought i was almost gonna start tearing (crying without sobbing) but i didnt. i thought, "thats strange, i usually dont get emotionally sucked into these horrible stories"

the way the accident was described was pretty nasty, truck purposely on the tracks, train derailed and slid over crashin into another seperate train... etc...

BUT- one thing i did notice, is that the reporter also spoke of a nearby warehouse that heard the crash, and he told stories (and interviewed) several workers there that rushed out to help rescue trapped passengers. Whats interesting about this is that these warehouse workers were called "Angels" and whatnot.

Another interesting point about the LA train accident is the analyst's conclusion :

this particular train & train route had the locomotive (the main engine part) BEHIND the carts, at the back of the train-- PUSHING EVERYTHING FORWARD on the tracks.

the analyst said this is what caused such a HORRIBLE accident, as the crash sent derailed carts flying in diff. directions....

they said that IF THE LOCOMOTIVE had been in the FRONT of the train, PULLING THE CARTS (instead of pushing them) that the Locomotive would have just busted thru that Truck like it ain't no thing.

This is stirring some controversy over the way Railroad tracks are run
(because for those who arent familiar, sometimes the Locomotive is in the front, sometimes in the back, depend on which way the train needs to go and where the lovomotive was last, other routes, etc etc...)

BUT BESIDES all that technical stuff about the tracks, I saw this analysis as a SYMBOLISM:

its better to PULL than PUSH.

what that means, im not all that sure yet.

maybe this sparks some ideas in your minds....

warmest regards,
z

Well that makes two of us Lyra...It has been bugging me to death the last few weeks because I know of several sleeper agents in my area that have been recently activated.

The more I think about this the more I almost want to start an entirely new thread devoted to sleeper agents.  I'm just so into researching this sort of thing, it's a major subject of interest to me.  There was already a topic going awhile back here at NR regarding mind control, but I almost want to start over again from scratch.   I don't know, we'll see.   

Oh yes...the pit bulls.   Big issue here in the States as well.   Not sure what the deal is with that, if there really is an issue with pit bulls or not. I've seen evidence for both sides.  A former boss of mine had a pitbull, and it was the friendliest, happiest dopiest dog you ever saw.  It was always full of energy, bounding about, smiling with its tongue hanging out, tail wagging.  All it wanted was for people to rub its belly.  Never ever snapped or got angry or tried to bite anybody.  It had the mentality of a 2 year old human child.   Then you hear of these pit bulls that go crazy.  I tend to think that a pit bulls' genetics have the potential to be aggressive, and of course they have those jaws that latch on and won't let go.......but if raised in a loving, happy home then that potential won't manifest.   I can figure out what the deal is with going after knives, like you said, it's so transparant....but pit bulls is still a mystery to me.....

The one I knew would talk about his "ideas" with glazed over eyes.   Just in another world altogether.   Like in a trance stupor.  It's very scary.   

As far as the L.A. train guy is concerned, today's update shows his picture - Latino guy - and talks about how his wife kicked him out of the house 3 months ago and put a restraining order out on him and barred him from seeing their kids, and various people were interviewed who talked about how he was threatening to get a gun and kill people who introduced his wife to a new man, and how he was just getting weird and bizarre in general over the past few months.   So maybe he really is just a regular guy who had things piling up on him and went bonkers and made a bad decision.   Sleeper agents aren't responsible for everything.   But what gets me is the fact that in a country with over 300 million people, very rarely does somebody do something like this.    It goes back to that old thread I once started called "Things you could do.....but don't!"   All the things people could do, every day, good and bad....but choose not to.   Why?   What makes it so that more people don't do things like this?   We have 300 million people, and the potential for absolute pandomonium craziness, everybody running rampant, behaving badly, acting like nuts, yet it doesn't happen more often, surprisingly.    So when it does, you gotta question why.   Why did this guy do something so extreme?   We all have the potential to, but we don't, either by our own self imposed restraints.....or something exterior which keeps us in check.......so who / what determines when somebody is "allowed' to pop?   THAT'S the question.