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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Ermolai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Part of an inteview given by José Arguelles (just before his Harmonic Convergence event in 1987) is transcribed and analyzed on the text below. It becomes increasingly clear that their goal is to build a bridge (a &quot;rainbow bridge&quot;) between the STS hierarchy in 3D and the one in 4D. Much effort is done to open people&#039;s mind telepathically to the instructions of this hierarchy, thus making them part of the &quot;global mind&quot; or noosphere or Matrix. Surrender, receptivity and trust are the keywords of this agenda of invasion and pacification.</p></blockquote></div><p>Hi Ermolai,</p><p>I am reading the Karla Turner book Taken, and I found it interesting that its says </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>The pattern of activity in Anita&#039;s life thus far had shown occasional intrusions and sightings, but in the late 1980s the activity noticeably began to increase. The timing may not be accidental, as many abductees &quot;woke up&quot; to the fact of their encounters in 1986-88.</p></blockquote></div><p>The &quot;harmonic convergance&quot; occured slap bang in the middle of this awakening. Maybe there is a link? Not sure....</p><p>V</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Part of an inteview given by José Arguelles (just before his Harmonic Convergence event in 1987) is transcribed and analyzed on the text below. It becomes increasingly clear that their goal is to build a bridge (a &quot;rainbow bridge&quot;) between the STS hierarchy in 3D and the one in 4D. Much effort is done to open people&#039;s mind telepathically to the instructions of this hierarchy, thus making them part of the &quot;global mind&quot; or noosphere or Matrix. Surrender, receptivity and trust are the keywords of this agenda of invasion and pacification.</p><p><a href="http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/america_subversion10.htm">http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha … sion10.htm</a></p><p>(The article also has interesting information about the phenomenon of Walk-Ins, or negative entities taking over human bodies)</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Some more <a href="http://www.december.com/cmc/mag/1997/mar/cunning.html">information on the noosphere</a> according to the jesuit Teilhard de Chardin, with my translations:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>As he did in Phenomenon, Teilhard affirms that civilization &quot;is ultimately, simply zoological &#039;specialization&#039; extended to an animal group (man) in which one particular influence (the psychic) suddenly begins to assume a predominant part in the ramification of the phylum. From this point of view the formation of tribes, nations, empires, and finally of the modern state, is simply a prolongation of the mechanism which produced animal species.&quot; (1973, p. 87) Noogenesis is truly an evolutionary process.</p></blockquote></div><p>Men are nothing more than thinking animals. Evolution is about making these animals work together for the common good.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>There we continue Teilhard&#039;s treatment of noogenesis: &quot;We are faced with a harmonized collectivity of consciousnesses to a sort of superconciousness. The earth not only becoming covered by myriads of grains of thought, but becoming enclosed in a single thinking envelope, a single unanimous reflection.&quot; (1961, pp. 251-2) Yet such a unanimity of consciousness implies a condition that humans generally reject, depersonalization. Indeed, the conclusion seems inevitable: &quot;So that at the world&#039;s Omega, as at its Alpha, lies the Impersonal.&quot; (p. 258) At this point, &quot;Omega,&quot; the last letter in the Greek alphabet, simply refers to the final stage of evolution. At the end the noosphere become an &quot;all&quot; that absorbs all.</p></blockquote></div><p>Our souls will merge into a collective whole, a &quot;single thinking envelope&quot;, where individuality dissappears. The Matrix will ultimately become a black hole which absorbs everything.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Not unrelated, certainly, to this &quot;educational&quot; heredity is an evolutionary phenomenon unique to noogenesis, &quot;the confluence of branches&quot; (p. 89) After an initial phase of ramification, one species alone, homo sapiens, survives. Civilizations now seems to be on the same path. At first, there was ramification giving rise to some twenty-one distinct civilizations, largely isolated from one another. Like animal species most are extinct or vestigial. Still there remained and remains resistance to the homogenization of culture. Indeed, there seems to be a growing effort to preserve a plurality of cultures.</p><p>Yet, in Teilhard&#039;s view this resistance is yielding to crucial forces. One he speaks of is &quot;ethnic compression the mainspring or initial motive force of the whole phenomena.&quot; (p. 97) In brief, &quot;the human population is coming close to saturation point on the closed surface of our planet.&quot; Under such pressure, one would expect some sort of rearrangement, some change in structures. These, Teilhard believed, could be seen in the new &quot;economico-technical organization&quot; of the planet, the industrial revolution being an earlier example. Incidentally, since compression is the &quot;motive force&quot; we would expect such transitions to generate a certain amount of violence. &quot;It is not, in itself, surprising that a rise in &#039;psychic temperature&#039; should automatically accompany a better social arrangement.&quot; (p. 98)</p></blockquote></div><p>The homogenization of all cultures will create resistance which will be crushed by these &quot;evolutionary&quot; forces. The new social organization will follow the work done by the industrial revolution, solidifying human society to a new level... Ethnic compression = life solidification = black hole.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>He affirms that &quot;the belief that there is an absolute direction of growth , to which both our duty and our happiness demand that we should conform. It is his [the human] function to complete cosmic evolution.&quot; (pp. 31-33)</p></blockquote></div><p>Our egos need to decide on which direction the human evolution will continue.</p><p>Scary...</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The concept of &quot;hierarchy&quot; is a dead give away of STS sources.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>wandering1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A scenario that may be unfolding is the interaction between negative transdimensional NWO forces which seek control of humanity and the expansion of possibilities that results from awakening which may be related to an upcoming density or dimensional shift.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes according to the C&#039;s their goal is to enslave us in 4D. When they talk of uniting humanity with the hierarchy, it seems like they are trying to build a bridge between our 3D STS world and the 4D STS world controlling us, so that people who transition to 4D automatically find their place in the STS hierarchy. Only through conscious choices can we escape this fate.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>wandering1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>More recently, Arguelles has been advocating a change in the calendar system that is used by mainstream society.&nbsp; My understanding is that he wants to change to a calendar that is more in tune with natural cycles.&nbsp; For example, society could switch to a calendar that is aligned with the cycles of the moon.</p><p>From what I read briefly on his website, he may be a bit strident in that way that he advocates the calendar change, but I still don&#039;t get the sense that he is a tool for NWO proponents.</p></blockquote></div><p>Apparently for some people part of this movement, the idea is that as soon as enough people start entering into the natural time, by using the 13-moon calendar, then peace and harmony will automatically be established on Earth and we&#039;ll all know &quot;eternal bliss&quot;. They have even tried to get the UN and Vatican to accept and promote this &quot;universal calendar&quot;, but they failed, so they are now trying to market a version without all the Mayan-specific signs (without the tzolkin), just the 13 28-days months. Once all the roots and meaningful symbols have been extracted and the soul has been emptied, then it&#039;s possible that they&#039;ll be able to force this new &quot;culture&quot; (the motto of the movement is &quot;peace through culture&quot;) with the assistance of the NWO.</p><p>Anyway I do not know if they act out of extreme naivety or if there is a conscious negative agenda. Maybe it doesn&#039;t matter.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>A scenario that may be unfolding is the interaction between negative transdimensional NWO forces which seek control of humanity and the expansion of possibilities that results from awakening which may be related to an upcoming density or dimensional shift.</p><p>Arguelles wrote &quot;The Mayan Factor&quot; which helped to poplularize the understanding of a possible upcoming shift which may culminate in 2012.</p><p>While reading that book, I did not get the sense that he was part of a negative agenda.&nbsp; Of course, negative forces may try to subvert or co-opt people or movements that they perceive to be threatening.</p><p>More recently, Arguelles has been advocating a change in the calendar system that is used by mainstream society.&nbsp; My understanding is that he wants to change to a calendar that is more in tune with natural cycles.&nbsp; For example, society could switch to a calendar that is aligned with the cycles of the moon.</p><p>From what I read briefly on his website, he may be a bit strident in that way that he advocates the calendar change, but I still don&#039;t get the sense that he is a tool for NWO proponents.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>A friend and I have done much researches on José Arguelles and the many movements he initiated, including the Whole Earth Festival, the Harmonic Convergence, the Foundation for the Law of Time. Most importantly he&#039;s one of the main person to have rediscovered the Mayan calendar and he wrote numerous books on the subject.</p><p>We have not found any definite answer regarding his possible role as a Matrix agent, but there is still some interesting links which I&#039;ll post&nbsp; here. If anyone has more information, please post them since this is quite important.</p><p>According to his <a href="http://www.lawoftime.org/content/seminar.html">biography</a> (bottom of page), José Arguelles has been&nbsp; &quot;recognized by Dane Rudhyar as a representative of the Planetary Hierarchy (1973)&quot;. Considering the state of this world, any kind of&nbsp; &quot;Planetary Hierarchy&quot; doesn&#039;t feel too positive (isn&#039;t it said that Satan is the &quot;king of this world&quot;?). Then I came accross this bit of info, note the mention of &quot;Planetary Hierarchy&quot;:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>According to Alice Bailey, the Tibetan Master, Djwhal Khul, said in the years, 1926-2026, there will be a &quot;push&quot; by the <strong>Planetary&nbsp; Hierarchy</strong> to assist us in learning the laws of thought to master the mental plane and to bring about a realization of the nature of the&nbsp; Soul. We are to learn to further develop the ability to concentrate, to be more receptive to intuition and to envision ourselves as Divine&nbsp; co-creators. He said that we are to release desire, to develop &quot;gentle stillness&quot;. Pain and unhappiness come from our rebellion against&nbsp; what &quot;is&quot; in the present moment. Acceptance of each moment and ourselves frees us to perfect our gifts to humanity, to be the lens&nbsp; through which the Divine is focused and to experience bliss and contentment.</p><p><a href="http://www.harmonicconcordance.com/NewSite/AstrologicalMusings-BonnieOrgrenII.htm">http://www.harmonicconcordance.com/NewS … grenII.htm</a></p></blockquote></div><p>To translate: by mastering the intellectual plan, we can control the emotional/psychic plan and unhappiness will magically dissappear. We&nbsp; will then stop rebelling against the NWO and accept our fate as robot-sheep. Another classic case of reversed/luciferian spirituality where&nbsp; we try to improve the physical plan rather than using it to transcend the illusion. What&#039;s interesting about this quote is that it seems to&nbsp; sum up exactly the goal of the Foundation for the Law of Time which José Arguelles has founded.</p><p>The link between Arguelles and Bailey is still thin but, on the website of this foundation, we found a very recent text (one month old or&nbsp; so) which quotes Alice Bailey at the beginning. This is apparently the first time this happens -- are they coming out?</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>“Master R. ... is the Lord of Civilization and His is the task of bringing in the new civilization for which all men wait ... He Himself at&nbsp; this time is occupied with seventh ray energy which is the order producing energy upon this planet.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>“This is the Ray of ceremonial Order, and through the activity of its energy, when correctly directed and used, a right rhythm is being&nbsp; imposed upon all aspects of human living. All effort is being constantly made to arrest the ugly chaos of the present and to produce the&nbsp; ordered beauty of the future. The major weapon being used now by the combined Forces of Evil is chaos, disruption, lack of established&nbsp; security and consequent fear. The potency of these evil forces is exceedingly great because they belong to no one group of people and&nbsp; to all the ideologies. The chaos ... produced by the warring and conflicting ambitious elements in every nation (without exception) - these&nbsp; are the factors with which Master R. is attempting to deal; the task is one of supreme difficulty. The entire rhythm of international&nbsp; thinking has to be altered, and that constitutes a slow and arduous task; the evil personalities .... have eventually to be replaced by&nbsp; those who can work in cooperation with the rhythm of the seventh ray, and thus produce ordered beauty.” </p><p>Alice A. Bailey, The Seventh Ray: Revealer of the New Age, Lucis Trust, 1995, pp. 70-71. Originally published in Externalization of the&nbsp; Hierarchy: A Treatise on the Seven Rays, First edition 1957)</p><p><a href="http://www.lawoftime.org/research/culture.html">http://www.lawoftime.org/research/culture.html</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Analyzing this quote, we see that the goal of these forces is to <em>impose</em> a new rhythm on Earth (couldn&#039;t the Mayan calendar be&nbsp; perfect for this task?) We also see that they label as &quot;evil&quot; anything which disrupts established security and that the task for them will be&nbsp; to &quot;alter&quot; the rhythm of &quot;international thinking&quot; so that everyone learns to &quot;work in cooperation&quot; on a world-wide level. This is pure&nbsp; NWO-thinking.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>The point is that it is now necessary to consider this matter, for the “closing of the cycle”&nbsp; is at hand. The meaning of 2012 is that&nbsp; the present Earth civilization cycle has run its course, and it is necessary to actively anticipate the “divine descent”&nbsp; as well as to envision&nbsp; the nature of the coming Cosmic Civilization. In this way we may be prepared. Any descent implies the action of a hierarchy of greater&nbsp; intelligence, a planetary logos, and it is on behalf of the fulfillment of the vision of that hierarchy that these reflections are put forth. The&nbsp; axiom is that at this stage of the current cycle when the aspiration of those of us on this Earth plane is clear and concentrated enough,&nbsp; the response from hierarchy will fully manifest.</p><p><a href="http://www.lawoftime.org/research/culture.html">http://www.lawoftime.org/research/culture.html</a></p></blockquote></div><p>As soon as enough people ask for help from the Hierarchy, a &quot;divine descent&quot; will happen (ie. Anti-Christ).</p><p>One of the main group meditation of the foundation is called the Rainbow Bridge Meditation. It is apparently performed every new year of&nbsp; the Mayan calendar (the &quot;Days out of Time&quot;). The introduction reads:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>By establishing this world-wide telepathic Earth wave we are creating a matrix of communication which brings the noosphere -&nbsp; Earth&#039;s mental envelope - ever closer into conscious manifestation. This matrix also provides a protective field of genuinely positive&nbsp; thought vibrations meant to <strong>maintain</strong> Earth&#039;s resonant field in a state of harmony and peace.</p><p>This Rainbow Bridge is the bridge of peace long prophesied that will permanently connect the third-dimensional Earth with the fourth and&nbsp; higher dimensions, assuring <strong>a peace and harmony that will not be able to be broken.</strong></p><p><a href="http://www.tortuga.com/ollin/3.html">http://www.tortuga.com/ollin/3.html</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Any kind of peace which must be &quot;maintained&quot; at all costs strongly feels like NWO. The concept of the noosphere was created by a&nbsp; <em>jesuit</em> priest, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. It has links with the <a href="http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/teilhard.html">WWW</a>&nbsp; (although not endorsed by Arguelles for whom the noosphere will split from the technosphere) and Gaia -- hypothesis apparently inspired&nbsp; from Teilhard. &quot;Earth&#039;s mental envelope&quot; -- doesn&#039;t that make you think about the Matrix? What about these &quot;christic grids&quot; that some&nbsp; Matrix agents try to setup to catch naive New Agers?</p><p>The concept of the Rainbow Bridge itself has apparently been designed by the Tibetan Master of Alice Bailey. The online book &quot;The&nbsp; Rainbow Swastika&quot; writes about it:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p><em>2. The &quot;Rainbow Bridge&quot; or the &quot;Spiral Tower&quot;</em><br />These individual and group efforts are ultimately intended to collectively build what is called the &quot;antahkarana&quot;, defined as a mystical&nbsp; &quot;planetary rainbow bridge&quot;, created by the upward thrust of spiritual/mental energies from humanity at one end and the downward&nbsp; response of the Hierarchy at the other, which will eventually <strong>&quot;unite Humanity and the Hierarchy&quot;.</strong> This rainbow bridge is built by a&nbsp; &quot;science of manipulating [incoming] energies and [outgoing] forces.&quot; (fully dissected in Bailey&#039;s _Education in the New Age_ chap.V) Once&nbsp; it is completed, the bridge will be &quot;electrified&quot; or &quot;energised&quot;, and will serve as the avenue by which the Hierarchy can carry on &quot;full&nbsp; planetary inter-communication&quot; in order for Sanat Kumara to direct world affairs.&nbsp; Curiously, &quot;the Masters cannot and do not work [on&nbsp; building this bridge] without Their chosen physical plane focal points&quot;, which Bailey goes on to explain are the human channels: New Age&nbsp; change agents, working to bring &quot;new and desirable trends in education.&quot; (p.109)&nbsp; Clearly, the focus of the spiritual Hierarchy is on the&nbsp; children, and these &quot;trends&quot; are exclusively religious in nature: &quot;Education is a deeply spiritual enterprise.&quot; (_Problems of Humanity_, p.34)</p><p>Bailey cited the &quot;New Group of World Servers&quot; as the best example of Rainbow Bridge builders on a global level. <strong>Not all members of the&nbsp; NGWS are conscious of this process, or even aware of the existence of the Hierarchy.</strong> (_Discipleship_ II, 204)&nbsp; The only requirement is&nbsp; that <strong>they practice the occult traditions of group meditation and seek to &quot;serve&quot;.</strong> Their main service consists of &quot;constant and&nbsp; uninterrupted group meditation&quot; on the Plan; specifically the next stage of the Plan to be put into operation. As the beginners practice&nbsp; this group-think, they are introduced to their &quot;Ashram&quot; or inner group; in time, they will be increasingly aware of their spiritual counterpart,&nbsp; the &quot;greater Ashram of Sanat Kumara&quot;, which is building from the other end of the Rainbow.&nbsp; In their function as bridge builders, the NGWS&nbsp; are also conduits to receive &quot;impressions&quot; from the Hierarchy, as well as radars for homing in on unaffiliated individuals who can receive&nbsp; those &quot;impressions&quot; through meditation.&nbsp; The resulting &quot;Path of Light&quot; will allow the &quot;Christ&quot; to come. (p.206-207)</p><p>Teilhard de Chardin, a NA philosopher who influenced Robert Muller, Barbara Marx Hubbard, Peter Russell and many other NA leaders of&nbsp; today, expressed the same bridging process in the symbol of a spiral tower: representing human evolution revolving in cycles, with a&nbsp; periodic &quot;leap&quot; in consciousness continually taking humanity higher. His underlying assumption is a process of &quot;complexifying&quot; which&nbsp; ultimately will manifest itself as an interrelated whole with the upper realms (of the spirit), which are symbolically but also physically trying&nbsp; to descend. <strong>The goal at the end of this process is to meld minds into an intangible dimension which De Chardin calls the &quot;noosphere&quot;, a&nbsp; mystical planetary consciousness equivalent to Bailey&#039;s &quot;Group Mind&quot;.</strong> (See de Chardin&#039;s book, _The Phenomenon of Man_)</p><p><em>2a. What happens once this Rainbow Bridge is established?</em><br />As Barbara Marx Hubbard puts it, the completion of the Rainbow Bridge will mean the completion of planetary consciousness, in which&nbsp; <strong>all individuality will be surrendered</strong>. The transformation will trigger a kind of &quot;birth&quot;.&nbsp; However, like the physical birth process, it&#039;s&nbsp; &quot;dangerous, and there&#039;s nothing guaranteed&quot;; it could lead to &quot;a baby that kills the mother&quot;, in other words, &quot;Armageddon&quot;.&nbsp; Or it could&nbsp; result in a &quot;normal [collective mass consciousness] baby&quot;.&nbsp; But meanwhile, even progress towards it completion is believed to have an&nbsp; effect on human events. Hubbard implies that the Harmonic Convergence of 1987 made a great contribution toward the Bridge building,&nbsp; resulting in (among other changes) the collapse of Communism. (see Hubbard&#039;s interview with &quot;Thinking Allowed&quot; host Dr. Jeffrey Mishlove,&nbsp; 1998)</p><p><a href="http://philologos.org/__eb-trs/naG.htm">http://philologos.org/__eb-trs/naG.htm</a></p></blockquote></div><p>So it seems there is a strong link between José Arguelles and Alice Bailey, which itself is very suspicious. For me it makes no doubt that&nbsp; Alice Bailey was working for the negative forces seeking to enslave the Earth.</p><p><em>(On another note, I have stopped following the Mayan calendar in the past days because of these doubts. This calendar works very well&nbsp; but I worry if I&#039;m not going to enslave myself in 4D by following this pre-set rhythm? I have asked this to a reliable source who did not&nbsp; seem worried about such possibility, however he said that any study / understanding of the Mayan calendar would necessarily be&nbsp; superficial -- and thus limiting -- since there aren&#039;t the roots to support it. Either way this thread is mainly dedicated to the movement around José Arguelles, not the Mayan calendar itself)</em></p><p>Does anyone has informations / thoughts / feelings about this whole subject?</p>]]></content>
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