Maybe but the point Steve is making is that Nature just IS, only man is capable of inventing/creating thought forms and gods and belief systems, that i feel is his truth.
....

He encourages simple observation of what IS and how nature works from within to without and the all important balance and warning against too much belief in any Guru be they Swerdlow or cbsworks or Icke.

It's not about believing, it's about knowing. So, .. check for yourself as much as possible.

... much of the new age stuff is fabricated by the Illuminati to weaken you.... with the the help of old systems like the kabbalah, which likely can be seen as a "software" program to applicate the metaphysical in one (programmed) specific way.

Not bad I think, the human chakra system or ganglien system is an interface between nature, man and God.

I can agree, thanks for the warnings.

Its true what hes saying is just as likely to be crap .  But i feel Cassiopea site deserves its critism . Any information that is said to be channeled and its claims to be divine sends up warning sirens in my head. Read the information at the Cassiopea site at your own risk .  THINK FOR YOURSELF.

"...I'm always interested in listening to or reading what Stewart Swerdlow has to say, but bear in mind that Stewart is a (trauma-based program)*OK LET ME INTERJECT HERE HOW DOES THIS GUY KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT STEWART HE SAYS HE IS A TRAUMA BASED PROGRAM WELL IT SEEMS TO ME THE ONE DOING THE PROGRAMING WOULD ONLY KNOW THAT* mind controlled individual; a Montauk Boy. You have to turn your discernment control knob up to number 10 when weighing the accuracy or correctness of his statements. Despite his books, despite the fascinating lectures, depite his hyper psychic abilities (sees auras etc.), despite his weekend training seminars, etc., despite all that,*JESUS H. CHRIST THATS ALOT OF DESPITES**** he's still a person who was subjected to intense mind control programming for many years

Well its a matter of belief if u start medidating expecting to see results then Your  will is going to manifest those results  picturing certain colors with the chakras is wrong only if it doesnt feel natural to the individual and the person can do something different its what works for you that matter there is no perfect way to do things .

"This current belief promoted throughout the new age, the healing arts and spiritual teachings is another example of the inversion and reversal of truth we are constantly being subjected to."

So what is truth he only talks about whats wrong with the new age etc. views he talks as if he is enlightened but he doesnt reveal the truth he found

Maybe but the point Steve is making is that Nature just IS, only man is capable of inventing/creating thought forms and gods and belief systems, that i feel is his truth.
He encourages simple observation of what IS and how nature works from within to without and the all important balance and warning against too much belief in any Guru be they Swerdlow or cbsworks or Icke.

Most of the new age stuff is based on many ancient systems like the kabbala which was created by the ego of man which also "created" gods and hiarchies as thought forms or archons so man becomes controlled by his own creation? just a thought.

I an not sure how many would feel what felt  "right or wrong" with that chakra example, if they firmly believe what they been told about the chakras then the ego often gets in the way of true feeling...... maybe some would. But thats damm good advise, suspend the ego and feel with your heart for the truth.

I think this is a fair warning from Steve (you would have to read most of artcles to glean this) that by invoking unbalanced external energies whether they be ego created or thought forms wearing the masks of gods or angels into our aura, chakras or whatever they  further unbalance us or cleave holes in our aura or worse.

I have seem many reiki "healers"  totally unaware that they are ofen making their clients more sick and open to possesion when they open up the clients crown chakra to unbalanced energies, a very dangerous thing to do. Never allow anyone to tamper with your chakras, do it yourself from YOUR heart centre and with YOUR higher self as the guide.

Well its a matter of belief if u start medidating expecting to see results then Your  will is going to manifest those results  picturing certain colors with the chakras is wrong only if it doesnt feel natural to the individual and the person can do something different its what works for you that matter there is no perfect way to do things .

"This current belief promoted throughout the new age, the healing arts and spiritual teachings is another example of the inversion and reversal of truth we are constantly being subjected to."

So what is truth he only talks about whats wrong with the new age etc. views he talks as if he is enlightened but he doesnt reveal the truth he found

quote:
"Look...that's how they got all of us...you can't trap spiritually advanced souls with lies - at first - you have to give them the goods. Masonry works like that. The blue lodge - the first three degrees - is all heart center and love and light. Then, after the fourth, the energies and rituals start DOWNWARD.
Same with Theosophy, Bailey teachings, blah blah blah.

But once you are in, then all manner of weirdness starts up. By then, you are one of the faithful, you don't see it, for the general population. For those that can see and are able to use their higher faculties, they keep you in a state of seclusion from the main body, and make sure your diet is all heart, love, and light - so you can be used.
You know them by their works: Rense, TJC, Swerdlow, Bell, Hoagland, Streiber, all paid agents of the man. Check it out. Do your own thinking. Listen to your heart"

Now cbsworks also "escaped the dark demons" so should we believe them?

One thing is for sure always be wary of doing any ritual that involves invoking external energies under the impression that you are recieving "higher" or benevolent energies that any "guru"encourages.
IMO creation works from within to without, our connection to our higher selves is internal not external. I am all for negating external negative energies with tools such as orgone or crystals etc but if i want to connect to spiritual energy that can only come from within.

Steve Gamble makes an exellent point in this article about inversions of truths with his rainbow example. quote:

""The more one studies occult philosophies and esoterica, as well as the art of propaganda, the more one sees the great power of direct inversion upon the psyche of Man. We see it in the Cabbala and Initiatic Science and it is equally obvious, if not more so when we compare Nature with the healing arts. Yes, even in the healing arts we are surrounded by the illusion. Nature yet again comes to our rescue and allows us to see through the illusion. I mentioned earlier that there may not be one book out there on chakra healing and chakra balancing that is in anyway near the truth. What we have been told over the years about our chakras, these spinning vortices of energy that come in all sizes and cover every inch of our bodies, is just another part of the illusion. What have we been spoon-fed about the seven main chakras in particular? We have been conditioned to believe that our base chakra for example is and should be red, the sacral orange, and the solar plexus yellow, and so on up to violet for the crown chakra. Would you agree? All our present day healing using and working with the chakras and most other forms of energy balancing is based on this premise of colour sequences. Why should we suspect this information is false? Because Nature shows us very clearly that this is so. We only need to look at a rainbow. A rainbow is formed when light is refracted through the water molecules in the atmosphere into its’ component parts.

We too are primarily composed of water molecules, therefore, is it unreasonable to assume we refract light in the same way? Do we have our own inner rainbow perhaps? If we look at a rainbow we see light refracted into seven colours. The top colour is red, then orange and so forth down to the bottom of the rainbow where we find the spiritual colours and vibrations. If we have been fortunate to observe a rainbow from an aeroplane we would see the rainbow forms a circle and the spiritual colours are in the centre. This complements how everything in nature works, from within to without, with the higher vibrations closer to source and the lower vibrations (red/orange etc) forming the further from source they are. The lower physical vibration red is on the outside, not on the bottom or the inside. The vibrational source of spirituality (and therefore truth) always lies in the centre. The eye of the storm shows us the same simple principle of how Nature works - balance, equilibrium, lies in the centre - chaos, destruction and imbalance lies on the outside.

Now, what in particular are we taught about our chakras and their colour sequence in the New Age movement, the healing arts and in many religious and spiritual teachings? We are taught that the spiritual colours lie at the top of the head, in our crown chakra (the very opposite of a rainbow and how nature works), and away from the centre of our being. It is exactly the same in the Qabala and it's so-called spiritual Tree Of Life where the ultimate spiritual attainment is to be found in Kether, the Crown Chakra. And what are we doing by placing our spiritual consciousness into the outer part of ourselves, in the top of our head? We are placing our spirituality into the control of our intellect and ego! We are pointing and focusing our spirituality away from it's source, away from it's Heart Centre, our true spiritual centre, and are merely excommunicating it to a life in the wilderness, a life in the ego-intellectually perceived consciousness of reality - the chaotic part, the 0.001% of who we really are - instead of a spiritually perceived consciousness of reality through our heart centre. This current belief promoted throughout the new age, the healing arts and spiritual teachings is another example of the inversion and reversal of truth we are constantly being subjected to."

http://www.equilibra.uk.com/illusion.shtml

I've been doing a bit of research into this Stewart Swerdlow character. I don't think I've heard of him before but as far as I can tell this seems to be the source of all Atlantis' information regarding the Illuminati and Draco aliens. I also can't seem to find one reason why I should take this guy seriously.

I think the following writing from Ken Adachi sums this guy up pretty well:

think ?  I guess why Ayahuasca is stating this without reading and studying anything of the works of Mr. Swerdlow.......

Let's see what Adachi is stating:

Ok, being very critical with Mr. Swerdlow is a good start.

So what, guess who Springmeier really is ?  Springmeier is a disinformation agent of the NWO.
Everybody who studies Springmeier finds a lot of esoteric truths AND lies in his works.

The agenda of Springmeier likely is fabricated to support the staged second coming of the Jezus Christ figure.

Swerdlow is not proclaiming he is free of the mind control handlers.
So, this quote is a zero-statement.

if possible, how then ?

He said this about the latest technology in the 20th century.
Again nothing is stated within this quote.

the old phenomena are a form of black magic and/or astral projections in/with mind-controlling some people.
Fakirs from India are alo able to project false appearances for their watching public.

How could somebody be sufficient in saying while he is saying nothing at all with this ?

I know this commentary. It's a good example of how corrupt the "Cassiopaeas" in fact really are.
Their "cleverness" is telling false logics and circle reasoning for the not so experienced conspiracy watchers.

The Cassiopaea web site is an Illuminati front office place. I hope, I'm clear here.

After all, I'm very interested if some forum users do really have personal experiences with Stewart Swerlow or with the Montauk Project writers. Anybody here  ?

Having said that, I would ask anyone of those who would like to shred him to pieces, to question their own 'programming' still shaping a big part of their respective lives (i.e., the conditioning of "education" and the way one has been raised).

Is it any better for it or have you already freed yourselves of your inner blockages and chains? Can you truly claim to be free of each and every 'idea' & 'concept', whether emotionally, religiously, psychologically or philosophically? I would be very surprised to learn that it is the case...

So true. 

How many people don't realize that they only pick the programming or reality that coincides with their desires?  Either you're programmed and you trust it (people assume since they believe it, it has to be true), and tend to only believe things that build on this or further your own ego-based agenda, even behind the sense of "enlightenment", or, you're rebelling against your programming (usually because, in that programming, you are not the top-dog, and it is merely your ego seeking justification) and only choose programming or "enlightenment" that furthers your ego's desire.  In both instances, most people seek only that which their ego has chosen, no matter how subtly, to raise itself on the heirarchy that is illusory to begin with.  In either case , "enlightenment" is a way of stepping outside of the measurable quantities of success, such as money or social skills, and insisting on a fantasy, no matter how actually real, because, in this fantasy, the only quantifiable measurement is whatever your imagination desires.

Only humans have taken the territories that used to exist only in the physical world and translated these territories into the mind.  That is why judgment exists.  What must be remembered is that thoughts don't actually harm anybody, so there is no reason to fall into a physiological or emotional reaction to a perceived threat.  One must be objective and respond to real threats, as best as they can objectively identify them.

We are still learning to use the mind, but believe that, since we have a mind, we must naturally be the master of it, and therefore tend not to doubt ourselves.  It takes a complete break to truly build your own conscious reality.  Everything must be taken with a grain of salt.

I have met Stewart Swerdlow in person and he stayed at my house while on his trip through Europe last summer. While I absolutely agree that some of what he says, should be taken with a considerable generous grain(s) of salt, I nonetheless would like to emphasise that he is genuine in his efforts of helping people, even he may not always be right (but then again, who is?).

However, I do know from personal experience that he is still very much aware of his innate programming being still part of his inner make-up. As far as I remember, in my presence and while he was here, he hasn't claimed to be entirely free of it, on the contrary, he is painfully aware of it.

Having said that, I would ask anyone of those who would like to shred him to pieces, to question their own 'programming' still shaping a big part of their respective lives (i.e., the conditioning of "education" and the way one has been raised).

Is it any better for it or have you already freed yourselves of your inner blockages and chains? Can you truly claim to be free of each and every 'idea' & 'concept', whether emotionally, religiously, psychologically or philosophically? I would be very surprised to learn that it is the case...

So, all I'd like to say is, rather than getting into arguments about Stewart as to what or who is "right" or "wrong" (which is an 'ego'-based 'perception'), just try to filter it through what FEELS right to you and leave the rest out. He is an extremely hard-working man and he tries to help those that seek him out, to the best of his abilities. 

If you are interested in finding out more about him directly, just go and check out his site www.expansions.com and take, what you feel is right to you, and leave it at that. Appreciate the message but don't shoot the messenger.

Also, having lived in that wondrous country of yours, I would personally like to vouch for all of those across the pond that, no, not all of you are lazy, disinterested and self-absorbed and there is a considerable underbelly in the US at work that is passionate about bringing out the truth, trying hard to get your 'fellow Americans' (to quote Bush) to wake up and smell the roses.

As a matter of fact, good ole' Europe could do with a slice of the zeal and inquisitiveness of delving and uncovering the hidden aspects of 'normal' US life. Keep up the good work and don't you let anyone tell you otherwise!

And, last but not least, with English not being my only foreign language (I have a few to pick & choose from), I do not tire quite so easily with expressing myself accurately and succinctly. In fact, I love it! Hoping that my little 'input' has helped to bring in a different perspective, I wish you all the best in your search nd on your journeys, whether metaphorical or physical.

Blessings & peace to all

PS

I meant by describing myself as 'spooky' that often while I am out and about in the Mid-West of America, I get strange looks and stares or comments/taunts concerning my appearance (a strange luminescence in my eyes, a steely-eyed, blue-eyed, quality I have, sung about by The Who in the song 'Behind Blue Eyes'- and in a Pink Floyd song, and very pale skin that i have, and an adrogynous sort of look which many British/Nordic/Irish/Icelandic people tend to have).  Also, I notice that in other regions (like Colorado) I heard someone call me a 'Viking' (they probably noticed my German VW Jetta too, which I no longer drive).  On the West Coast I get fewer stigmatized looks.  Sometimes I get the impression that some people think I am a secret agent or something (a 'spook' slang for 'spy') which in a way I might be considered by some knowledgable to be a 'messenger' or 'angel-like' secret agent here on Earth as a representative of certain extra-terrestrial races and causes.

Just thought I'd try to clear that up a bit.

-Indigo

Atlantis wrote:

Thanks for this topic Ayahuasca

You're welcome

Unfortunately for you, Swerdlow is not my source.

So who is?

(Sorry for the late answer).

Not quite a person, It's a complex of different sources (David Icke et all).
Try to check the different data sources behind the Bopp Hale comet in 1996.
In esoteric groups (like the Gnostics) it's also mentioned, with regarding an earlier war between Lyra and Draco.

I've to admit Swerdlow gives some additional insights.

My feeling these days:

The behaviour of the Illuminati these days points to an external power very close to Earth;
(not to be confused with a planned i.e. holographic fake alien invasion).

But that's my feeling; after not sorted out a lot documents and data, yet.
So, this can easily be denied (, yet).

No, that German phrase doesn't trigger anything in me.  I have forgotten about all of my German language skills (which I knew a little of back in 1990).  If you don't keep up your practice of speaking/writing a foreign language you end up only losing it (I am sure you are aware of that).  BTW- I commend you in your English contributions here at this site (Noble Realms).  I do know that most Europeans have an advantage in speaking multiple languages (including English), they do teach it at an earlier age there than compared to America (who take for granted their principle language and seldom need to speak any other).

I do seem to get the gist of that phrase though (although you could tell me what it means, and then I could determine if I understand some of it).

You are right, Stewart Swerdlow was sort of a bit too honest/open in his writings (sexual experiences for example).  I sort of understand it, since I am a bit too honest/open or blunt in my writing style as well (although I keep my sexual exp private).   I tend to reveal alot about myself in my internet messages/posts.  I am merely trying to be genuine.  Maybe, its my Irish/British/Nordic genes?  Solemn, blunt, stoic, sorrow feeling, less-emotional...  kinda cold (it may have to do with the weather in the northern latitudes/lands --that's where my ancient ancestors grew up and lived).

Thanks, for the input about trufax.org.

I find it difficult to believe the anonymous author when he details some of his (and Robert Monroe's stances/beliefs).  When I read that there is some kind of book available for astral-travelers to access in some non-physical place called the Park, well it sort of lost me there.  Not to say that maybe its true, I just don't register with it in my skepticism.  I have read Monroe's third/last book and have yet to read his first two (I own them).  I agree with you that astral traveling is potentially dangerous these days.  I also lend little credence to the remote viewing programs/individuals (esp Courtney Brown).  Where do you cross the line between imagination/higher-power-influenced thoughts/scenes?  I am also familiar with the remote viewer, Dr. Doom (can't remember his name), but he guests alot on Art Bell C2C Radio Show and most of his predictions never transpire.  He seems too sensational.  I do adhere to some remote viewing exercises though, but they have to be strictly controlled and set-up/monitored.

I do accept the concept of Akashic Records, and I do feel that there WILL someday be a reckoning and accountability of actions/deeds.  The Just will prevail.

Until next time,
-Indigo

Your additions here are very usefull in this topic.

Stewart Swerdlow has something to say;
I put very much efforts to find his real "weaknesses".
Well, the only weakness I found, yet, he is to open and to honest.
i.e. I would personally never tell my sexual fantasies to everybody in a direct way.

He knows he is/was programmed, but he also knows how to be deprogrammed.
And your Gnostic experiences, Indigo, can help in understanding the stuff of Swerdlow.

If you think you're a MK-Ultra victim, don't worry;

I think everybody in the Western population is a MK-Ultra victim in some way.
And you know by reading in this forum how you can release any victim mentality.

Yes, the stuff is interesting, because it opens your mind and creativity for new insights.
But, this doesn't mean it is save stuff.

Be very carefull with the crap regarding experiencing the 28 to 32 astral levels/Robert Monroe outcomes etc.

In one sentence: NEVER, NEVER attempt serious deliberate/forced astral travelling these days.
We are not in ancient times anymore, when this was more save (but still dangerous), without ELF-technology or mobile phone antenna's.

????

i.e is "Bei Uns ist alles besser" a trigger for you ?

I have some experience with the New World Order (Illuminati- as they call themselves, and to which most researchers now refer to them as).  FYI- Just yesterday, I happened to catch George W. Bush and his inaugural speech.  In front of his father, former president H.W., he again refered to the NWO -only calling it the New Order of the Ages (as the creating American founders did).  You'll remember, H.W. was one of the first presidents (that I know of) who openly used the term NWO and which subsequently was caught on by conspiracy researchers/authors in the late 80s and early 90s.

I have been somewhat 'awake' dating back to 1990, when I rebelled against the Iraq War (1st) and declared conscientious objector status (then summarily discharged 'honorably' -due to my notable service up until that point -I joined the US Army in 1988).

I do have to agree with Atlantis on some of his posts thus far including this one.

I was stationed in Korea and I have travelled somewhat extensively as a civilian too.  I do know that many foreign nationals have a distinct advantage in language skills over Americans.  While in Korea, I used to speak a little French and German to throw off anti-American student radicals and such.  I had a very tumultuous affair with a potential anti-American North Korean who got me into alot of trouble and may have eventually contributed to a later psychotic break after returning home.  She had relatives in Canada and God only knows how much reptilian co-horts (she remarked once flipantly while the sci-fi tv series 'V' was playing that she admired 'Diana' the reptilian outwardly looking human leader character).  I could describe other experiences I've had in regards to encountering the 'enemy', but for now I will not go there.

I want to say that it can be very disturbing to be sitting say for instance in a bohemian or radical like cafe and being talked about in another language where you do not know what the h*** they are saying about you, ---it puts you at an extreme disadvantage.  Needless to say, I gave up further pursuing any Spec Ops recruitment and espionage work after my experiences in Asia.  Believe me, I have not read too much material about Japan and Korea and China, but from what I have, I gather that in Asian cultures -the dragon motif and myths/figures are respected and admired and viewed differently (benevolently).  As British author David Icke says, (paraphrasing) 'not all serpent-dna influenced/experienced humans are evil or working for reptilian forces, only factions of them are'.  He further states that although he details mainly the European/American/WesternWorld reptilian/other alien forces, he is sure there are other strongholds of serpent/dragon/reptilian/orion/draco in the world and in other star systems as well.  I have been to Europe and have found that there are some truly intelligently informed people there who are better educated in various fields including those of ancient Old World power struggles.  The New World and America does tend to be (in my ongoing experience) more brainwashed and in a hypnotic kind of consumer driven state of affairs.

That said, there are still many Americans who are 'waking up'.

Atlantis--

I noticed that you mentioned in one of your posts (this one maybe?), that you said that the organization known as trufax.org on the web (and who have written about Aryan/Nordic/German elements in their materials like Matrix 5 etc) are to be taken with caution...  --could you elaborate why you point this out? it would be appreciated as I am familiar with some of their ideas/theories (and do not agree with them all -though I find them interesting).

I would like to further state that over the years I have gathered quite a large collection of materials (since 1991) from religious, spiritual, metaphysical, paranormal, intelligence, contacts, new age, supernatural phenomenon, web, and other sources.  Too many to begin to list (although maybe I will go thru my records and inventories soon and post back in the other thread about files).

I adhere (after some very dubious and misleading experiences with) to the fact that much new age channeled info is simply attention-seeking mis/dis info on the part of higher/multi-dimensional beings who take pleasure in playing with gullible so called light-working humans.  Then you have the tech oriented forces who can mimic spiritual forces and deceive just as expeditiously efficatiously.

I among other friends/contacts within the ex-military community view much feel-good sources/forces are truly misleading dangerously a fair proportion of the so called new age community to serve their own nefarious agendas. I have been misled myself and constantly struggle with every source I research/read and investigate, trying to utilize logic and skepticism in a field which can get very fascinating/captivating and involved (spiritually and mentally).

I have met former members of Spec Ops (Blue, Green, Black Berets, Air and Army, Navy Forces) that do indeed confirm to me the nature and disturbing truth behind the NWO and ufo/alien agendas conflicts.  I attended briefly a very liberal-arts college founded by an ex-Navy officer that had underground tunnels and entrances and secret societies.  I told the name of the college to someone I met within the VA (Vets Affairs) system and he told me to stay away/get out of that college, and I did (after some very bizarre and malevolent experiences there).

I have met people that have been silenced (eventually killed, I have known at least 3 'suicide' victims, and others that have been put away in mental institutions, and others that simply have 'disappeared' for speaking out about such things).  I have learned to no longer fight the agendas, but merely distance myself and inform myself thru observational tactics the ongoing wars.  Its the only way I have learned to cope with some of my truly bizarre and stigmatized (freaks, spies, aliens, vampires, lycan/wolves, Sirians, Orions, Dracos, Reptilians etc) experiences/knowledge.

I do accept that their are benevolent forces (angels- who may indeed be real and not just aliens masquerading as angels) that are helping us, yet there are also purely satanical/luceferian malevolent forces also at work (aka demons or fallen angels/et's).

As far as Stewart Swerdlow and the Peter Moon Sky Books/Montauk Series goes, I tend to (after direct gnosis/experience) accept it (with some skepticism).  I do indeed possess and have read all this series of books and it just 'feels' instinctually gut-like right-on.  Even as dangerous, and debatable, or scary it might be.  Fear does indeed serve the Illuminati and there are some really effective agents (matrix-grid-world) out there, but I feel this series is on track (including the Nazi-NWO, underground cavern and bases, undersea and lake, desert, mountain bases, and Time Travel related components).

I am a forward observer on a backwards planet (is what I like to say).

BTW- I tend to be a bit 'spooky' and tend to fit in better in the Scandin-avian and German/British regions.

Please try not to be put off by my nature.

Thats my input so far.
-Indigo