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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p><p>About 3 years ago, I grew tired of digging for proof about the horrors of consiracy theorys. I used to be goggle-eyed at the what Joseph Conrad novel Heart of Darkness called &quot;the horror, the horror, the horror&quot;. I think that was also the last line of the film &quot;Apocalypse Now&quot;. Maybe just the realisation that the rabbit hole of STS conquest plans goes down into a finite black-hole was enough knowledge for me. I felt a huge energy drain the more I got into the various subjects, especially the likely disinformation regarding all these subjects.</p><p>It was just an intuitive revulsion of sorts, as I always felt the energy behind these actions, or alleged actions. Infact I ended up ending quite a few friendships with folks who are almost hypnotised by the horror of the theories and stories around. Ultimately, if your prime interest is in understanding how we can assist with humanity&#039;s evolution, and thus the harvest, I think these searches for proofs of what we can only hypothesis as being based in some truth for sure, takes energy away from that quest.</p><p>No disrespect to any who are fascinated with just how evil Evil can be; its just my current take on this. That is not to say, as the unfortunate title of this thread implies, that I think this quest is &quot;ridiculous&quot;. I just think it is an esoteric cul de sac where all you&#039;ll meet are different and numerous manifestations of STS. Some want to go there, but not me in this lifetime. </p><p>Below is an interesting excerpt from the Ra Material that speaks to the conundrum faced by the Ra channellers when they started asking questions about these matters nearly 25 years ago. The Ra entities warned of the dangers of this line of questioning moving the channelers away from a clear STO bandwidth if those avenues were further explored. Remember being entities of the STO persuasion, they adhere to the freewill of the questioners, and if the line of questioning moves away from the general quest to understand the Law of One - the essential unity within the universe, the STO entites are obliged to allow those not in unity with the Law of One to have thier say . </p><p>Inotherwords due to its relative unimportance in the bigger picture, it distorts the purity of the link, enabling STS energies to enter the channelling fray and pretty much say whatever they want because this information is deliberately set up to be difficult to proove. And if proved, then what? So we get to know the beast is really really beastly.&nbsp; I guess many that seek to know the laws and history of the universe had a sneaking suspicion that was the case anyway.</p><p>Although I haven&#039;t fully thought it through at present,&nbsp; this also makes me wonder about what the impact of such questioning might have had/has had on the Cassiopaea material. Mmnnn... <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/hmm.png" width="15" height="15" alt="hmm" /></p><p>So just for information,&nbsp; I&#039;ll quote the extract that crytallised what I have been trying to express in my mind for the last 3 years: Thanks Montalk for making that Ra Material zip file available - its a gem!.</p><p>With love,</p><p>V </p><br /><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>Ra 1981-012 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The Law of One, Book V, Fragment 3</p><p>Session 8, January 26, 1981</p><p>Jim: Early in the Ra contact we received answers to our questions which fell into a controversial portion of our third-density illusion. Almost everyone, at some point within the study of the paranormal, spends some time being fascinated by the so-called “conspiracy theories”&nbsp; which have generally to do with the supposedly unseen groups and individuals who are said to be the real powers behind governments and their activities in the world today. Such theories usually hold that the news reports that we hear and read concerning politics, economics, the military, and so forth are but the tip of a very large iceberg that has mainly to do with various schemes for world domination and which function through the secret activities of this small, elite group of human beings and their alien allies.</p><p>The following information falls into this category and resulted from a follow-up question Don asked about UFOs and their sources. You will note Don’s incredulous attitude throughout this portion of his questioning. It was our decision to remove this information from Book One of The Law Of One because we felt it to be entirely unimportant and of a transient nature since knowing it adds nothing to one’s ability or desire to seek the truth and the nature of the evolutionary process, whether the information is true or not. In fact, knowing and continuing to seek this kind of information can become a major stumbling block to one’s spiritual journey because it removes one’s attention from the eternal truths which may serve anyone’s journey–at any time–and places it upon that which is only of fleeting interest and of little use spiritually. Concentrating on conspiracy theories and their participants tends to reinforce the illusion of separation and ignores the love that binds all things as One Being. If we had continued to pursue this particular line of questioning, or any other line of questioning of a transient nature, we would soon have lost the contact with those of Ra because, as Ra mentioned in the very first session, Ra communicated with us through a “narrow band”&nbsp; of vibration or wave length.</p><p>Through various clues that Ra gave us when Don asked about the alignments at the end of each session, we were able to determine that this “narrow band”&nbsp; meant that only information of the purest and most precise nature concerning the process of the evolution of mind, body, and spirit could be successfully transmitted on a sustainable basis through our instrument. To ask Ra questions of a transient nature would be like trying to run a finely-tuned engine on crude petroleum.</p><p>Many groups become fascinated with transient information of a specific, mundane nature and have their information polluted by negative entities who gradually replace the positive entities that began their contact. Pursuing information of this kind is like moving the dial on your radio so that you end up with another station altogether from the one with which you began. This change in desire for the kind of information that the group seeks from its contact is the signal to that contact that what it has to offer is no longer desired, and the Law of Free Will requires that only hints of this de-tuning process be given to the group so that all choices that the group makes are totally a product of its free will. When a group continues to seek the transient information, the positive contact gives hints here and there that such information is not of importance, but when the group persists in seeking this kind of information, the positive contact, in order to observe the free will of the group, must slowly withdraw and is then eventually replaced by a negative contact which is only too happy to give this kind of information, but with less desire for accuracy and with maximal desire to remove the group from the ranks of those who serve others. When the group has been discredited by false information–such as dates of future disasters which are publicized by the group and then do not occur–then the negative entities have been successful in removing the power of the group’s light and have gathered it for themselves.</p><p>We still feel that this information is totally unimportant, and the only reason that we include it now is to show how easy it is for a group to get off the track, shall we say, and to lose the focus of desire for that which is important and that with which the group began: the desire to serve others by gathering information which may aid in the evolution of mind, body, and spirit. Ten thousand years from now it will not matter one whit who did what to whom on this tiny speck of whirling dust. All that will matter is that love may be found at any time in every person and particle of the one creation, or any illusion thereof. Hopefully information gained through any effort such as the Ra contact will help some other third-density entities to discover more of that truth and to move one step further on their evolutionary journey to the one Creator.</p><p>Carla: All I can add to this is a plea to all official sources: we do not know anything, we are not in on any conspiracies, and please, please don’t tap our telephones … again! When Don and I joined Andrija Puharich for a mind-link in 1977, we caught the attention of some agency who played havoc with our telephone system. And how utterly without use to listen in to our converse! Mystics seldom plot! We honestly don’t care about this stuff, and just stumbled into it by accident.</p><p>I’d like to point out the way those of Ra seem here somewhat off-balance compared to their usual steady selves. It is subtle, but easy to see–the opening to each answer is normally “I am Ra.”&nbsp; Several times in this fragment, however, that signature is missing. The contact was going slightly out of tune here, I think, due to the information’s transient nature.</p><p>Session 8, January 26, 1981</p><p>Questioner: There was a portion of the material from yesterday which I will read where you say “there is a certain amount of landing taking place. Some of these landings are of your own people; some are of the group known to you as Orion.”&nbsp; My first question is what did you mean that some of the landings are of your peoples?</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. Your peoples have, at this time/space present, the technological achievement, if you would call it that, of being able to create and fly the shape and type of craft known to you as unidentified flying objects. Unfortunately for the social memory complex vibratory rate of your peoples, these devices are not intended for the service of mankind, but for potential destructive use. This further muddles the vibratory nexus of your social memory complex, causing a situation where neither those oriented towards serving others nor those oriented towards serving self can gain the energy/power which opens the gates to intelligent infinity for the social memory complex. This in turn causes the harvest to be small.</p><p>Questioner: Are these craft that are from our peoples from what we call planes that are not incarnate at this time? Where are they based?</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. These of which we spoke are of third density and are part of the so-called military complex of various of your peoples’ societal divisions or structures.</p><p>The bases are varied. There are bases, as you would call them, undersea in your southern waters near the Bahamas as well as in your Pacific seas in various places close to your Chilean borders on the water. There are bases upon your moon, as you call this satellite, which are at this time being reworked. There are bases which move about your lands. There are bases, if you would call them that, in your skies. These are the bases of your peoples, very numerous and, as we have said, potentially destructive.</p><p>Questioner: Where do the people who operate these craft come from? Are they affiliated with any nation on Earth. What is their source?</p><p>Ra: These people come from the same place as you or I. They come from the Creator.</p><p>As you intend the question, in its shallower aspect, these people are those in your and other selves’ governments responsible for what you would term national security.</p><p>Questioner: Am I to understand then that the United States has these craft in undersea bases?</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. You are correct.</p><p>Questioner: How did the United States learn the technology to build these craft?</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. There was a mind/body/spirit complex known to your people by the vibratory sound complex, Nikola. This entity departed the illusion and the papers containing the necessary understandings were taken by mind/body/spirit complexes serving your security of national divisional complex. Thus your people became privy to the basic technology. In the case of those mind/body/spirit complexes which you call Russians, the technology was given from one of the Confederation in an attempt, approximately twenty seven of your years ago, to share information and bring about peace among your peoples. The entities giving this information were in error, but we did many things at the end of this cycle in attempts to aid your harvest from which we learned the folly of certain types of aid. That is a contributing factor to our more cautious approach at this date, even as the need is power upon power greater, and your peoples’ call is greater and greater.</p><p>Questioner: I’m puzzled by these craft which have undersea bases. Is this technology sufficient to overshadow all other armaments? Do we have the ability to just fly in these craft or are they just craft for transport? What is the basic mechanism of their power source? It’s really hard to believe is what I’m saying.</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. The craft are perhaps misnamed in some instances. It would be more appropriate to consider them as weaponry. The energy used is that of the field of electromagnetic energy which polarizes the Earth sphere. The weaponry is of two basic kinds: that which is called by your peoples psychotronic and that which is called by your peoples particle beam. The amount of destruction which is contained in this technology is considerable and the weapons have been used in many cases to alter weather patterns and to enhance the vibratory change which engulfs your planet at this time.</p><p>Questioner: How have they been able to keep this a secret? Why aren’t these craft in use for transport?</p><p>Ra: The governments of each of your societal division illusions desire to refrain from publicity so that the surprise may be retained in case of hostile action from what your peoples call enemies.</p><p>Questioner: How many of these craft does the United States have?</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. The United States has 573 at this time. They are in the process of adding to this number.</p><p>Questioner: What is the maximum speed of one of these craft?</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. The maximum speed of these craft is equal to the Earth energy squared. This field varies. The limit is approximately one-half the light speed, as you would call it. This is due to imperfections in design.</p><p>Questioner: Would this type of craft come close to solving many of the energy problems as far as transport goes?</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. The technology your peoples possess at this time is capable of resolving each and every limitation which plagues your social memory complex at this present nexus of experience. However, the concerns of some of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful energy cause these solutions to be withheld until the solutions are so needed that those with the distortion can then become further distorted in the direction of power.</p><p>Questioner: You also said that some of the landings at this time were of the Orion group. Why did the Orion group land here? What is their purpose?</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. Their purpose is conquest, unlike those of the Confederation who wait for the calling. The so-called Orion group calls itself to conquest.</p><p>Questioner: Specifically, what do they do when they land?</p><p>Ra: There are two types of landings. In the first, entities among your peoples are taken on their craft and programmed for future use. There are two or three levels of programming. First, the level that will be discovered by those who do research. Second, a triggering program. Third, a second and most deep triggering program crystallizing the entity thereby rendering it lifeless and useful as a kind of beacon. This is a form of landing.</p><p>The second form is that of landing beneath the Earth’s crust which is entered from water. Again, in the general area of your South American and Caribbean areas and close to the so-called northern pole. The bases of these people are underground.</p><p>Questioner: The most startling information that you have given me, which I must admit that I’m having difficulty believing, is that the United States has 573 craft of the type which you described. How many people of United States designation are aware of these craft, including those who operate them?</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. The number of your peoples varies, for there are needs to communicate at this particular time/space nexus so that the number is expanding at this time. The approximate number is 1,500. It is only approximate for as your illusory time/space continuum moves from present to present at this nexus many are learning.</p><p>Questioner: Where are these craft constructed?</p><p>Ra: These craft are constructed one by one in two locations: in the desert or arid regions of your so-called New Mexico and in the desert or arid regions of your so-called Mexico, both installations being under the ground.</p><p>Questioner: Am I to believe that the United States actually has a manufacturing plant in Mexico?</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. I spoke thusly. May I, at this time, reiterate that this type of information is very shallow and of no particular consequence compared to the study of the Law of One. However, we carefully watch these developments in hopes that your peoples are able to be harvested in peace.</p><p>Questioner: I am totally aware that this line of questioning is of totally no consequence at all, but this particular information is so startling to me that it makes me question your validity on this. Up until this point I was in agreement with everything you had said. This is very startling to me. It just does not seem possible to me that this secret could have been kept for twenty-seven years, and that we are operating these craft. I apologize for my attitude, but I thought that I would be very honest. It is unbelievable to me that we would operate a plant in Mexico, outside of the United States, to build these craft. Maybe I’m mistaken. These craft are physical craft built by physical people? Could I go get in one and ride in one? Is that correct?</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. You could not ride one. The United States, as you call your society divisional complex, creates these as a type of weapon.</p><p>Questioner: There are no occupants then? No pilot, shall I say?</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.</p><p>Questioner: How are they controlled?</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. They are controlled by computer from a remote source of data.</p><p>Questioner: Why do we have a plant in Mexico?</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. The necessity is both for dryness of the ground and for a near total lack of population. Therefore, your so-called government and the so-called government of your neighboring geographical vicinity arranged for an underground installation. The government officials who agreed did not know the use to which their land would be put, but thought it a governmental research installation for use in what you would call bacteriological warfare.</p><p>Questioner: Is this the type of craft that Dan Frye was transported in?</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. The one known as Daniel was, in thought-form, transported by Confederation thought-form vehicular illusion in order to give this mind/body/spirit complex data so that we might see how this type of contact aided your people in the uncovering of the intelligent infinity behind the illusion of limits.</p><p>Questioner: The reason that I have questioned you so much and so carefully about the craft which you say the United States government operates is that if we include this in the book it will create numerous problems. It is something that I am considering leaving out of the book entirely, or I am going to have to question you in considerable detail about it. It’s difficult to even question in this area, but I would like to ask a few more questions about it with the possible option of leaving it in the book. What is the diameter of the craft which the United States has?</p><p>Ra: I am Ra. I suggest that this be the last question for this session. We will speak as you deem fit in further sessions, asking you to be guided by your own discernment only.</p><p>The approximate diameter, given several model changes, is twenty-three of your feet, as you measure.</p></blockquote></div>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Is this the thread for ridiculous conspiracies that no-one can prove?</p><p>This one is based on out-of-this-world synchronicities. If you have the time to look into this...<br />Who knows?</p><p><a href="http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/">http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2005 05:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>There&#039;s a big difference between</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Maydovus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE in the realm of the infinte, (we believe it is all infinite) so why cant the moon be an ex Draco spaceship ... But hey these are all theories and nothing is and ever has been stated as being true</p></blockquote></div><p>and</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Atlantis wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The moon is an ex-spaceship of the Draco Empire, attacked by the Maldeks and probably aslo by the Atlanteans and Martians in nuclear and geomagnetic wars a long time ago.<br />Remnants of the Draco Empire have a base on Venus.</p><p>Behind the moon, since 1997 there is a second moon, (another spaceship of the Draco Empire returning back reclaiming the Earth on the Illuminati.)<br />Germany has a moonbase since 1947.<br />There are contacts between Germany and aliens of the Aldebaran star system.</p></blockquote></div><p>Regardless of what the actual truth of things may be, <strong>one</strong> of these statements is made with integrity -- speculation identified as such.&nbsp; &nbsp;The other is someone making matter-of-fact statements without one good reason supplied, statements made in defiance of the very concept of credibility.</p><p>The great masses of people have never and will never care about such minor details as intellectual integrity.&nbsp; In any such controversy, they will always rush to the defense of the apparent &quot;victim&quot; of an &quot;attack,&quot; but those with eyes to see will recognize that in the present case there is no attack and no victim, merely a call by a few thinking people for accountability in each other&#039;s statements.&nbsp; &nbsp;Lower that standard, and we might as well&nbsp; move the conversation to an unmoderated Usenet group.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I, on the other hand, don&#039;t care too much for credible sources.&nbsp; It doesn&#039;t change whether I ultimately believe anything.&nbsp; Personal experience and deduction are good enough for me.&nbsp; I admit that saying &quot;this is true&quot; irks me, but I would accept &quot;I think this is true&quot;, because it means it&#039;s a process, not a conclusion.&nbsp; I would like to know why someone thinks a certain way, and it does pain my brain to see someone swallow something as absolute truth based on anything but personal experience or observation.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Maydovus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I ve just finished reading this post and it astounds me that in a dicussion forum like this that we can label any conspiracy thoeries as being &quot;ridiculous&quot;!</p></blockquote></div><p>I accept that I made a very bad choice in the naming of this thread, I definitely wasn&#039;t thinking too clearly on that day. My problem is not so much in how ridiculous these conspiracies sound, my problem is the complete lack of sources that Atlantis was providing (which in most cased was zero). </p><p>I&#039;m open minded enough to believe just about anything if there&#039;s some kind of credible evidence or sources available. I just get annoyed when people come along and say all these things are true without giving one single reason as to why they might be true.</p><p>Perhaps the Dracos are real, and perhaps they really are planning on invading planet Earth next tuesday afternoon after they&#039;ve had nice a cup of tea and biscuit. Just tell me who your sources are, and why those sources are credible.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Whoa there people!</p><p>I ve just finished reading this post and it astounds me that in a dicussion forum like this that we can label any conspiracy thoeries as being &quot;ridiculous&quot;!<br />I mean some of these theories may sound a little &quot;far fetched&quot; or unbelievable but i&#039;m sure if we were to go around saying to everday people that we live in a controlled matrix system and entities from other dimensions suck and feed off our negative energy (what energy for some!?) and we are basically sheep or that everything one and the same and we are a part of this one energy, all that we believe to be true or feel to be true, what is discussed on this forum.<br /> I know from experience that you would be labelled a complete fruitcake and thrown into a mental institution. (not that ive been in one) <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><p>We have to remember that what we discuss is of complete nonsense to the everyday Joe and Jo and they would see all this as being completely &quot;ridiculous&quot;. <br />How do we know that this is all true, we have only gone on mostly gut feeling and a few things that we have read to come to a conclusion that all this is possible.<br />Whats to say that these theories cannot be possible, without any reference or credentials to prove that what may be. </p><p>We are only going on a feeling we have inside of ourselves that we know that there is something wrong with this world and have gathered all these &quot;theories&quot; as to what we believe, what makes what we believe so different to what theories&nbsp; (as this is all that anything can be, until &quot;proven&quot; otherwise) that Atlantis has suggested.</p><p>ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE in the realm of the infinte, (we believe it is all infinite) so why cant the moon be an ex Draco spaceship, the planet Earth have a hollow centre with an internal sun and three planets with inhabital life, why cant there be a hostile race has had enough with us and wants to destroy/eat us (sometimes I don&#039;t blame them) or what if the universe is a galactic MCS Commercial/Industrial genectics factory where all genes of everything material are manufactured and sold to the highest bidding race and from that they create there own manufactured universes, galaxies, and planets etc, in a petrie(sp) dish.</p><p>But hey these are all theories and nothing is and ever has been stated as being true but what the most important thing we keep with ourselves is our IMAGINATION, and without our imagination we have nothing.</p><p>If something loses us maybe because its something that has never been presented to us before and to see something that is of a new thought and rejecting it is only the same as us trying to tell our friend of what we see/believe (MCS, STO&#039;s, STS&#039;s etc) and them going &quot;NO F....N WAY, your completely of this planet mate, you&#039;d better give me the phone no of your drug dealer/s to tell them to stop supplying you, you&#039;ve completely lost it&quot;!</p><p>Think about it.</p><p>CREATION IS IMAGINATION IN ACTION.</p><p>Mark <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>voggmo wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>P.S. Morton puts out a lot of wild stuff. <br />Some of it is perhaps valid, some of it bs. He said that the US would become separated into 13 different colonies &amp; the capital would become Denver.</p></blockquote></div><p>Swerdlow et all state there&#039;s a plan indeed to split the USA: <br />but as far as I know, in at least 4 parts:</p><p>i.e. </p><p>1. West with Denver as the Capital and Schwartzenegger probably as Dictator/President West<br />2. East (Atlanta, Hillary Clinton ?)<br />3. Texas as a new country (Bush/Cheney ?)<br />4. New York (UN); where the Empire State Building, gets it&#039;s real meaning: <br />&nbsp; &nbsp;Capitalbase of The (Galactic) Empire.</p><p>That&#039;s why Denver and Atlanta would have the biggest modern international airports these days.</p><p>Don&#039;t worry, these are just some plans named. Let&#039;s remind our free will.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Morton puts out a lot of wild stuff. Some of it is perhaps valid, some of it bs. He said that the US would become separated into 13 different colonies &amp; the capital would become Denver. He also said Japanese researchers put up infrared cameras around the sphinx &amp; filmed a perpetual motion machine. I would love to see that film. Anyway, take it with a grain of salt.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2005 02:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hello Atlantis. Library is closing, so don&#039;t have much time. One source was a book long out of print about the moon which I stupidly lent to a lady who never gave it back depite several attempts.&nbsp; It had nasa photos of domes &amp; tracktor tracks &amp; such, before nasa doctored moon photos. Terziski is the best source I know of. Will chat more with you later. Oh yes, one other little bit I heard at A Sean David Morton lecture. He said the Indians were tranported here in the moon. Again it&#039;s far out &amp; interesting, but again I do not offer it up as concrete data. Just something I heard.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>thanks Zonabi,</p><p>I&#039;m standing very close to you in your latest comments.</p><p>i.e. The story of Draco Empire behind the moon, is also very unthinkable for me, BUT</p><p>Does that mean I must throw this away through the toilet, if&nbsp; .....&nbsp; IF it can help in analyzing other &quot;at first sight&quot; &quot;incredible&quot; stories ?</p><p>I have a weighted reason to put some subjects on the desk.<br />I&#039;m not just throwing popular Hollywood stuff.</p><p>If I didn&#039;t, or somebody else didn&#039;t because of fear being ridiculed, <br />than that&#039;s the worst we could get.</p><p>And what did I gained last days: i.e. extra info of poster Voggmo about Operation Paperclip in relation to a German moon base.<br />That&#039;s probably at least a way in getting puzzle pieces bit by bit.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Atlantis)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: The thread for ridiculous conspiracies that no-one can prove]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>i have heard those things that atlantis talks about as well.</p><p>but i have still not decided whether or not i believe they are true.</p><p>my best approach to these kinds of things is to grab both extreme (opposite) ends of the spectrum, and fold them to the middle, and somewhere around that mid point is usually what is probably true.</p><p>also remembering that the universe maintains a balance helps you merge the opposite ends and find the dual/mirror images.</p><p>for example, i do believe that some of the craterchains on some of our planets and moons are not natural. there is extensive research by a select few who are pursuing this study.</p><p>i also believe in ancient civilisations such as Atlantis, or i guess i should say that i believe there is much more to our earth&#039;s history than we are told, or led to believe. most of u agree with that i think.</p><p>think about it:</p><p>if evil draco aliens are on there way to earth with intentions of taking over, then you can bet your bottom dollars that somewhere else a race of benevolent aliens are making there way here with intentions to create peace. its all balanced.</p><p>i mean u can hear both sides of this tale, from diff. places. theres two extreme opposite ends, these dracos are feeding on us, growing human bodies in vats, bla bla... while the other side is preaching about space angels rescuing us and enhancing our abilities thru genetics....</p><p>realize that the human psyche likes to exagerrate and boast.</p><p>also realize that our &quot;leaders&quot; and their governments have been tinkering with the human psyche as well.</p><p>heres another example:<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>The moon is an ex-spaceship of the Draco Empire, attacked by the Maldeks and probably aslo by the Atlanteans and Martians in nuclear and geomagnetic wars a long time ago.<br />Remnants of the Draco Empire have a base on Venus.</p></blockquote></div><p>like i said i think there were wars that scarred planets here and there and the asteroid belt seems to be remnants of a blasted planet (maldek some call it)</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Behind the moon, since 1997 there is a second moon, (another spaceship of the Draco Empire returning back reclaiming the Earth on the Illuminati.)</p></blockquote></div><p>closest thing to this that ive read would be planet X, which could or could not be true. i used to be submersed in all the planet x stuff, but the interest has died down a long time ago. this to me makes me think it is not true, or not completely true. </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Germany has a moonbase since 1947.<br />There are contacts between Germany and aliens of the Aldebaran star system.</p></blockquote></div><p>these are two things i can believe. <br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>These days the moon is the property of Germany and the USA/Israel.<br />There is a population on the moon with cloned Germanic soldiers/people all part of the defense system against the returning Draco Empire.<br />There had been transportations between Area 51 (Nevada) and the moon with the Aurora spaceship.</p></blockquote></div><p>this here has way too much crunched together. and its probably utterly exaggerated.</p><p>you know what i think is really going on, in a nutshell?</p><p>i bet you that the dracos, or other people, are mining our planets for their resources.<br />thats what some of the intelligent crater chains point to. </p><p>heres a link to a research site on craterchains run by some nice and very intelligent people i met over a year ago:<br /><a href="http://www.craterchains.com/">http://www.craterchains.com/</a></p><p>i also bet that the dracos do not own the &quot;grays&quot; like everyone wants you to think. thats a ploy to trick you into thinking the dracos are ultra dominators and that if they own the Grays, we are for sure going to be owned by them. subliminal victim mentality programming.</p><p>if our thoughts manifest then why would we want to cloud our minds with all this negative draco conspiracy crap? shouldnt we be thinking or and reading up on benevolent techniques, positive technologies, and i guess thinking/hoping/praying for helpful aliens ?<br />lets learn about connecting with our Oversouls, our inner self.</p><p>lets learn of the positive things that the Atlanteans did.</p><p>and lets learn from their mistakes.</p><p>what do u say Atlantis ?</p><p><img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>voggmo wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There are many things that one cannot really prove. Doesn&#039;t mean they aren&#039;t true.</p></blockquote></div><p>I think most conspiracies can&#039;t be really proved and I don&#039;t have a problem with that. I&#039;ve been interested in conspiracies most of my life and as you say it&#039;s interesting, although I wouldn&#039;t say it&#039;s completely harmless. If you do nothing but immerse yourself in conspiracies then I think it can lead to a very fearful and extremely paranoid mindset, that loses the ability to discern fact from fiction, and I think that really is harmful.</p><p>But anyway, this thread is about &#039;ridiculous&#039; conspiracies, not conspiracies in general, and I don&#039;t think any other word can be used to describe most of the crap that Atlantis has been coming out with lately. Talking about bases on the moon is not the same as talking about fleshing eating draco boogeymen preparing to invade us. Talking about Operation Paperclip is not the same as talking about Illuminati plans to transport humans to Titan etc.</p><p>Most conspiracies exist because there is at least some plausible information and/or reputable human sources to support the claims of conspiracy, and when such data exists then of course it should be discussed in a forum like this, regardless of whether it turns out to be true or not. But I would say that most of Atlantis&#039; claims belong in Science Fiction. Or Pulp Fiction more like, because even most science fiction usually sounds plausible.</p><p>Andy</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>My bad.&nbsp; You gave your sources.&nbsp; At least I imagine that they&#039;re in the other thread.&nbsp; I still stand by my post that there comes a time, at least with the more incredible statements, that some basis for the thoughts has to be discussed.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Now I&#039;m beginning to wonder where you get your sources from.&nbsp; I&#039;m a pretty tolerable guy, but I at least want to believe that you&#039;re basing your ideas on something besides imagination.&nbsp; It&#039;s painful to think that this is all based on... I don&#039;t know what it&#039;s based on, but can it please be more than just thinking it up?</p><p>I think what&#039;s beginning to irk me is that you come back at people with these things and act like it&#039;s almost evident, and almost with an expectancy that we take it serious.</p><p>Imagine this scenario:</p><p>&quot;See that chick?&quot;</p><p>&quot;Yeah.&nbsp; She&#039;s hot.&quot;</p><p>&quot;Yeah, she wants me.&quot;</p><p>(Pause)</p><p>&quot;Why do you think that?&quot;</p><p>&quot;She just does.&nbsp; I can tell.&quot;</p><p>&quot;How?&quot;</p><p>&quot;Just believe me, dude.&quot;</p><br /><p>It just rubs people the wrong way.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Voggmo, thanks a lot ! If you can give extra sources, please put them in !</p><p>Again I feel a big need to react:</p><p>With your comments given here and the given sources in the topic &quot;Matrix built by Sirians&quot; in the subforum &quot;Aliens &amp; Matrix&quot;, let me give my points/additions based on the named sources (thus not that I&#039;m saying it is the truth !):</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>voggmo wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There are many things that one cannot really prove. Doesn&#039;t mean they aren&#039;t true. <br />The idea that the moon is hollow is one example. <br />I have read that it doesn&#039;t weigh near what it should based on soil density, &amp; that during one of the moon landings one segment of the ship was dropped on the surface &amp; sound detectors that were placed on the surface recorded a &quot;bong&quot; resonating sound for several minutes afterwards. Also some of the craters are 145 miles across, but none of them are more tham 3 miles deep. Some of them should be much deeper based on the estimated size of the asteroids that would have caused a crater that wide. Some speculate that because the moon is really a base made of titanium, the craters only go so deep. Also that the craters were actually made by nuclear devices fired at the moon in past wars.</p></blockquote></div><p>The moon is an ex-spaceship of the Draco Empire, attacked by the Maldeks and probably aslo by the Atlanteans and Martians in nuclear and geomagnetic wars a long time ago.<br />Remnants of the Draco Empire have a base on Venus.</p><p>Behind the moon, since 1997 there is a second moon, (another spaceship of the Draco Empire returning back reclaiming the Earth on the Illuminati.) <br />Germany has a moonbase since 1947.<br />There are contacts between Germany and aliens of the Aldebaran star system.</p><p>These days the moon is the property of Germany and the USA/Israel.<br />There is a population on the moon with cloned Germanic soldiers/people all part of the defense system against the returning Draco Empire.<br />There had been transportations between Area 51 (Nevada) and the moon with the Aurora spaceship.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>It all sounds interesting. &amp; it is. But unprovable at present. Terziski interviewed a girl who&#039;s father was a German scientist that worked inside<br /> the moon. Hired during operation paperclip. Again, interesting, but very unprovable. What one does get when one assembles all this data is a theory that can be followed like leads in an investigation. Science itself often works in this way. Data is observed, theories are put forward then investigated. Cold fusion for a long time was debunked, but now is starting to be taken seriously as it has been produced in labs. It started with an idea</p></blockquote></div><p>Operation Paperclip is real, very real and admitted, but not well known.<br />It was a preparation on CIA&#039;s Mind-Control program MK-ULTRA.</p><p>The ELF/HAARP system on Alaska is part of the mind-control program, but is also helping as a defense system of the Illuminati against the Draco Empire.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>So to finish up, there are many things we don&#039;t understand as yet &amp; speculating &amp; offering theories regarding such is certainly harmless, &amp; often productive. I fing the moon data interesting, but certainly don&#039;t offer it up as fact. I see little value in negative debunking &amp; think it a good idea for us all to be sensitive to the ideas of others. If we think something is silly or dumb, we can pass on the topic. I like to think that sharing interesting data is what this forum is about. Not arguments &amp; flameouts &amp; such.</p></blockquote></div><p>You see, there is even a big debunking here without checking the many sources I gave on this forum.</p><p>But I only gave a tip of the iceberg here.<br />Thanks a lot again for your supporting comments.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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