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#226 2008-02-22 11:57:02

nexus
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Re: Magnetics and Ascension

Pamelajean wrote:

The bible was written 300+ years post the death of (the supposed) Jesus Christ.  I sincerely doubt that Jesus wrote the very few (in red) remarks in the bible and told his followers to throw them in in a few hundred years and try and get it right.  The bible has also been retranslated 125 times into all different languages.  There is no way to directly translate Aramaic into English (nor any other language…I’m sure you’ve heard it’s an old language) nor visa versa.  All of the translations were done by people with agendas, like kings and other rulers. We are their surfs, so it stands to reason they'd want us to be enlightened so they'd help us.

As i said "the bible hardly records what Jesus said".  There are very few quotes.  But what is there can be diciphered even after the translations.  I have often given interpretations which reveal a multi-levelled meaning of certain scriptural quotes.  Deep truths are revealed in those quotes so someone has done a fair job in writing them and in translating them.  Francis Bacon participated in the translations of the King James version of the bible.  Bacon became an Adept who later became the Count St Germain who worked with Blavatsky's sponsors.  Because Bacon played an influential role in Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry he has been slandered by some modern "researchers" interested only in character assasination.  St Germain is pictured with El Morya And Koothumi standing behind Helena Petrovna Blavatsky in a famous photograph from around the 1870s.  Koothumi was St Francis of Assisi (a close disciple of Jesus) and El Morya was, among other historical greats, treated badly by the two King Henrys.(the soul of Peter).  Dharma and Karma, draw souls together in mutual service.   

nexus wrote:

By that spirit, which is also my own, i confirm for myself where they have placed their hand.

There's nothing unusual in spiritual communion/resonance with spiritual beings.  It is natural to recognise the familiar.  Something like picking your mother's face out of a crowded room. 

pamelajean wrote:

If you are a descendent the Jesus' spirit then it sure seems your time and effort could be better utilized in a manner more productive than in not addressing the issues I pointed out.  Surely, you are needed more desperately somewhere (other than NR) where it seems most of us can think for ourselves.  You needed to start a Jesus thread and there you could expound upon the subject to your hearts content instead of interjecting Jesus into threads (constantly) and throwing the thread.  You even got him into HPB.  I'd be curious to know if you think God also wrote his portion of the bible.  If he did, I have a few bones to pick with him.  Would you ask him if he did?  If he did would you please include his email address in your next response to me. I'm assuming your close connection with Jesus makes you privy to his familial info.

I did adress all the issues you pointed out to me and i do respect the right of everyone to think for themselves, that's why i contribute.   I informed anyone who is interested that HPB was the same soul as Peter.  You can determine the veracity of that for yourself but you questioned me about it and i gave you an honest answer.  Others, who have not expressed the desire to censor me, might be more interested than yourself.  Wherever i've included Jesus or Christ in a thread, which is quite often, i have seen the relevance.  Others have seen it too and have expressed no offense (on that score at least).  Sometimes they've expressed their appreciation.  Your anti- HPB stance (which you're entitled to) is turning into an anti- nexus stance (which you're also entitled to).  You can challenge me if you want but if you have any bones to pick with God i suggest you take them up with God.  God can answer all your questions about what is true or false in the bible and anywhere else.   

As to "getting Jesus into HPB" it was quite unavoidable given that HPB's soul was once Jesus' disciple Peter and given that Jesus is a part of the Great White Brotherhood (White= white light) which sponsored the soul of Peter in Blavatsky's TS works.  The connections between all these people have been discussed for nearly 70 yrs in the esoteric literature and i accept that it is true.  You wondered why the TS was pitched so high and i gave an explanation which necessarilly included the work of the brotherhood which sponsored HPB.  Would you prefer people kept their replies within more acceptable parameters?  Leave out the truth as they see it perhaps?   

Pamelajean wrote:

PS. If HPB was off on Lucifer being the light and the way (which is what I THINK you are saying and I KNOW is what she said) could it possibly be that she was off on other stuff?  Or maybe her channeling was vital and true when it coincided with yours.  So is Lucifer the way as HPB said?  And why not?  Things (like names of dieties...lucifer does mean the light and clarity as in lucid) could their names have been reversed, way back when, to throw off humanity from the truth…oh, wait, that has never and cannot happen.

The thing that upset me was the distortions on lucifer.  It caused me some grief to find it amongst HPB work.  No, lucifer is not the way as HPB said.  Lucifer means light and lucifer was a great being of light.  But he eventually refused to serve the Christ in All and was cast out of the higher realms (with his loyal cohorts) into the physical and astral planes.  He became a self styled enemy of God.  In revenge they took it out on us as we also fell into duality consciousness and became vulnerable to their machinations.

As far as HPBs work being "vital and true when it coincided with yours" what can i say PJ?  Who determines the truth of anything for myself but myself?  And who determines it for you but yourself?  We have our discussion and others decide for themselves.  The things i don't know much about i don't talk much about.  I am not pretending to know it all.  The little i know, i talk about and like anyone, i share what i see is true.  There is nothing unhealthy about that.   

Pamelajean wrote:

There is such a thing as letting it rest because, honestly, I could pick apart your post and point out a bunch of (I apologize, but there's not other word for it) crap, but there's no point.  I don't want you to think differently, your truth is your truth, but there a lot of people that subscribe that need to know that your truth may not be the only truth (which is how you present it).

You're welcome to pick apart anything i say.  If you think something is crap there's nothing wrong with holding it up and showing me why you think it is.  That's better than trying to censor me.  Everyone here is capable of making up their own mind about the quality and source of ideas.

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#227 2008-02-22 19:27:35

Pamelajean
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Re: Magnetics and Ascension

To everyone that thinks I am upset over anything that nexus or Antaeus please relax.  I'm anything but upset over them.

If you notice, my remarks are tongue in cheek.  I don't have a bible, Pooh or otherwise.  I don't think god has an email address.  I wouldn't contact him if he did.  I simply pointed out that some of their "facts" weren't all that factual.  I don't believe in name calling or nasty confrontation so I use humor.  Enough, people relax, I am having fun, but I'm not being cruel.

An important fact that was overlooked was that HPB may have been right about the very thing that (they) disagree with.  If you wanted to empower an entity by having their name repeated millions of times a day why not switch the names.  Lucifer is the "light bearer" the informant of the truth.  Now I'm not going to get into Lucifer because I don't get into names and I have a different slant on what the "devil" is.  BUT, let's say that there was a negative deity and there was a positive one and every time their name was said they gained empowerment (AS IN CALLING FORTH).  If I wanted that to happen, I'd switch their names.  Something to consider.

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#228 2008-02-22 19:47:17

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Re: Magnetics and Ascension

I agree that names are powerful, and there surely are false "gods", but I don't think the concept of a benevolent God and the devil have been switched. There are many anecdotes from people who have called on God, Jesus or whatever during a demonic attack or alien abduction and been saved, and on the flip side people who have been subjected to ritual abuse report hearing the names of demonic entities being recited. Plus, consider the possibility that this "Lucifer = the true god" idea is itself an attempt to "switch the names" as you put it.

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#229 2008-02-22 21:13:12

Pamelajean
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From: relocating to Noble Dreams
Registered: 2006-01-30

Re: Magnetics and Ascension

Daisy wrote: There are many anecdotes from people who have called on God, Jesus or whatever during a demonic attack or alien abduction and been saved,

Saved from what?  Finding a way out of the attack by your own self?  Helplessly calling on someone or something to save you instead of saving yourself? Is that salvation? Salvation is personal responsibility.  Why should anyone/thing do it for you?

Well, maybe these people  were "saved" to lull them into a false sense of security and make them believe that calling that diety will deliver them.  Maybe when they physically die and get attacked by the demonic forces that are lazering in on them and ready to pounce on them and  take their "soul" and they have been trained (by themselves) to waste time calling out for a false deity, maybe they'll get a little surprise.  The stakes are pretty high to not consider different angles of thought and action.

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#230 2008-02-22 22:05:28

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Re: Magnetics and Ascension

Pamelajean wrote:

Daisy wrote: There are many anecdotes from people who have called on God, Jesus or whatever during a demonic attack or alien abduction and been saved,

Saved from what?  Finding a way out of the attack by your own self?  Helplessly calling on someone or something to save you instead of saving yourself? Is that salvation? Salvation is personal responsibility.  Why should anyone/thing do it for you?

Well sure, if you know how to access your power to combat forces greater than yourself, then by all means use it. I don't disagree with your idea of salvation being the responsibility of the individual. But if you're being attacked by negative forces and you can't defeat them all by yourself, why not call for help from a higher power that you trust? Unless you're too proud to admit that you need help. (I don't mean you personally Pamela, just speaking generally here)

Well, maybe these people  were "saved" to lull them into a false sense of security and make them believe that calling that diety will deliver them.  Maybe when they physically die and get attacked by the demonic forces that are lazering in on them and ready to pounce on them and  take their "soul" and they have been trained (by themselves) to waste time calling out for a false deity, maybe they'll get a little surprise.

To be honest I think faith and trust are underrated when it comes to spiritual matters, as if they equate to being undiscerning or naive. I'm not saying it isn't important to be careful who or what you align yourself with because it is - discernment and judgement are crucial. But that doesn't mean that you should always be doubtful or suspicious of everything, as that mindset will hold you back in my experience. When I adopted the "believe in nothing and trust no one" approach, I became confused and apathetic and my growth came to a halt. Using your discernment to determine whether or not a teaching/entity/whatever is trustworthy is not merely an intellectual thing and for that reason I dislike engaging in those kinds of round-in-circles paranoid "what if" thought processes. So I am respectfully ducking out of this now (not that there's much time left to post here anyway) in acceptance of the fact that different people have different perspectives.

As this will very probably be my last post here, I wish you all well on your journey.


"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

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#231 2008-02-23 01:19:52

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Re: Magnetics and Ascension

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