David Wilcock (Page 2 of 5)

hi!! I read the Ra material found it very interesting and it satisfies me on many questions that I have regarding the existence. But thats not something I wanted to write..I can't recall where I read this but on the forum there is a post which describes the symbology and its hebrew interpettation of each alphabet of English in the birds language. And I found that so interesting that I actually memorized the meaning and symbology behind each alphabet and every name and word that you hear in the outside world is to trigger that very concept that it carries with it.

The reason I write this over here is because I was going thru the name David Wilcock. Now, this person may exist or may not exist but whats more important is the name that gives him an identity exists which is DA VI D WIL COCK which is basically a concept for certain name. That name actually addresses to the WILL of the individual who is complete which is to say DA (represents the Cosmic Father) and VI (represents the Cosmic force and Mother) now D would again leave and impression of a father figure to look upon and Will is what our energy of intent that dwells in root or mulkat chakra and cock is what has to be awakened with the energy to manifest the spiral D.N.A. and now I  firmly believe that we are all living in a verbal prison seriously cuz every vibration of each alphabet has certain effects on our energy centers too. Like a strong sound of "TTHHOO' comes out of throat that respresents EGO of an individual. like the word "AUM" is universal slyable because that sound resonates with your pineal gland and your heart. the humming  sound is for the heart and the A (the rule of compass, by the rule which world takes shape) represents your pineal gland which is responsible for what we see and interact thru our senses. Infact, its the pineal gland that sets and assembles the reality that we encounter. Now, even the Da Vinci Code is nothing but a child of the cosmic conciousness of the Father the chirst conciousness and the cosmic mother here if we break the words once again we are left with Da Vi...... N(represents the revolution) Ci(stands for the child). So, breaking the Da vinci Code you get a child who is complete has conciousness without a father that is the state of the world our concoiusness is dead we are all taken and controlled like puppets all the time but the rebelious concoius has a conciousness cuz he looks at the world as an observer but not an absolute truth to all there is.

I came to conclusion that Ci stans for the children of the Cosmic Father and Mother because there are soo many syncs if i try to write you won't understand cuz anyone reading this is not in my shoes and it won't make sense to him. But when I do look at'em they resound like a symphony which opens up the gate but yeah if you agree to this concept may be it will start resounding and produce the same symphony that could be understood being in your own shoes.

But on a personal note I for the first time came to U.S port of entry Chicago ( CUBS). Now, and I would end up living in chicago. My awakening of spiritual life starts in chicago which ofcourse began with a sevior paranoia but not a threat to self believe and faith that made me stand strong to witness everything i wanted to. I was watching matrix for the very first time after I learnt to speak and understand the accent perfectly and my mother calls me up out of the blue. She calls me up when am watching matrix looking for answers high on Weed and my mom tells me she is sick and all that to move my mind from what I was paying attention to. Now, the streets that were used in the first movie are all from Chicago. And I use to drive a taxi and when he says come to the phone booth at lake and wells there is a phone booth there. But never mind, that was my personal research. Then yeah the whole movie concept showed me what is to come and indeed that is what we are headed for cuz its also on my friggin mat in an intelligent design a war between the Angels and Demons world. I mean my first ever novel when I didn't even care about reading was Angels and Demons by Dan Brown about particle accelator and anti-matter and all about CERN. But all I know is one thing I still haven't made it to where am headed but am really thank full to everyone on the forum and eveyrone in my life thru their deception and thru their kind words of wisdom and in every aspect they taught me things that I couldn't have learnt without'em.   I just realized one thing am just breaking the wall of fog around me by being too honest :-S

Actually there is no contradiction between Ra and Jesus in this case. Both talk about two paths, one leading upward, the other downward. The problem is in the semantics of ascension. Your definition of ascension is restricted to transcending upwardly out of this mortal existence, whereas Ra was being more generic and meant simply transcending out of this existence, whether upward or downward. What both forms of graduation have in common is that they imply mastery over former challenges; the STO graduation involves sufficient mastery of spirit over the lower self, and STS path involves adequate mastery of the lower self over others.

So if the STS path is taken to its extreme, which Ra claims requires being at least 95% STS, then ascension from 3D STS to 4D STS becomes possible. But since 4D STS is really a type of higher dimensional sub-existence, aka the Abyss / Hell / Hades / Tartarus, it is not at all the same thing as what STO ascension leads toward. But within the STS path itself, yes, the 4D or 5D state is "higher", more sophisticated, more challenging, more refined. But relative to the STO path, it is even more spiritually deadened, atrophied, frozen than even the 3D state. That's why I say it's downward from 3D even though of a higher density.

And because the STS hierarchy is really a pyramid scheme, what occult credit is borrowed to acquire power over others, it piles up and eventually collapses in upon itself like a star collapsing into a black hole, resulting in permanent death of consciousness. This is opposite what the STO path results in, the complete spiritualization of consciousness. My reason for pointing this out is to show that the Ra Material cannot be used to rationalize a cavalier acceptance of psychopathy as a fun and easy way to ascend into the same positive realm that the more arduous STO path of initiation leads toward. The STS path lets you ascend alright, but ascend from the realm of mortal tyrants to the realm of demonic super-parasites. If only we called the STS transition "descension" and "assimilation" instead of ascension and graduation, that would avoid so much semantic confusion.

Even if there were only one destination, freewill still lets you choose among the different paths. You choose the quality of experience. Do you want the road of love, glory, and peace? Or the road of pain, misery, and hatred? So even if STS and STO paths lead to the same destination, the journeys differ, hence the possibility of choice.

The problem I have is not with what you say about the importance of Christ Consciousness and serving others, or the importance of taking the STO path of ascension, but in your claiming that the Ra Material is opposed to this, and that therefore David Wilcock is highly deceived. Instead, a more accurate understanding of the Ra cosmology reveals it to be an extension rather than contradiction.

If you are asking me intelligence is to be enjoyed.

Respond to that still, small voice, is the best that I can figure.
If you you don't feel it, ask to feel it.
I can feel a warm light shining in me that is attempting to energize my polluted soul.

I had a thought tonight when I went for a walk.
I like walking at night in the winter.
The air is fresh and clean.   
I'm really learning to love snowy winters, all over again.

But anyway......

If  I have always existed and always will exist then this moment is all there is.
My only connection.
I don't believe in the judgment nexus is talking about, mainly because I don't understand it. As long as I'm loving life, why throw away the soul and what  is the hurry ?
And that puts a perspective on things.
Since infinity is my past and infinity is my future, my awareness of the God force is the only thing I possess and that will affect how I see the world.
The God force is all there is and everything in the universe lusts after it whether they know it or not.
The reason I like music or the reason you like carpentry shows we desire something more Devine. (archetypes ?). 

But this gets back to what I was saying about the loneliness of God.
There must have been a time when God realized that he was alone.

I don't doubt that that is what "Ra" means and your last post in reply to me made that clearer than Don Elkins did.  I will quote him later and ask for your perception of what he means on another question.  But in the above quote i wrote "unlike Ra" for a good reason which relates to the real opportunity at hand rather than the false choice "Ra" presents.  I will explain.  Yes "Ra" presents a choice between STS and STO as Jesus did.  And yes STO leads upward and STS leads downward.  But "Ra" mis-characterises the Ascension in several ways.  Firstly, "Ra" denies the very spiritual levels of being that will give effect to the real Ascension which is the fusion of the soul to the I AM Presence. (I will show that denial a bit later). That real Ascension is what this "harvest" is all about for souls devoted to the inner- light in self and in Service To Others..... nothing else...... except also the final judgement for a small percentage of STSelf entities on earth and in the astral plane.  Other than that, everyone else will re- incarnate on earth again.  So, "Ra" is mis-characterising the terms "ascension"/"harvest" for both STO and STS.  He further obscures the truth regarding Ascension by distorting the common meaning of words associated with well known spiritual concepts.  The word "ascension" and the associated word "transcendence" do not naturally relate to the downward path of STS and have never been used in those terms.  I don't see that as a matter of semantics when opposite definitions are given for spiritual terms.  Even though "Ra" explains his terms, those descriptions are one hundred and eighty degrees from their common use in spiritual dispensations where you won't find them used in relation to the left handed path of STS.  [I believe that is as deliberate as calling us "distortions" and naming demonic attacks as "greetings" and naming freewill as "the first law of confusion" and other such quaintness. They are inappropriate and the metaphysical justifications given for the use of such terms are deficient  and can be better explained by the examination of "Ra's" motive.]. 

So even in relation to the path of STO, "Ra" uses the words "ascension"/"harvest" to describe something that is a far lesser manifestation than real "Ascension".... as if it was actually the fulfillment of this long awaited dispensation.   A "graduation" to a positively polarised 4th density planet (even if it was going to happen) is not the ascension.  Presumably the 4th density planet is not the earth as we know it but is just beyond earth.  In fact the astral plane is the next density to earth, could it be that?  There are upper levels of the astral plane that are not inhabited by the grossest STS entities but souls inhabiting those realms are still living an illusion. Perhaps that is what "Ra" is saying.  Not that that makes it true.

But even worse than that pale representation of "harvest/ascension", "Ra" gives a teaching that virtually guarantees (if we believe it) that we cannot spiritually ascend (to the I AM Presence) in this time of "harvest, because he denies the necessity to consciously attune with the etheric and the Buddhic (I AM) levels of self.  "Ra" actually claims that working with these higher levels of consciousness is too "far advanced from the standpoint of third density harvest, nevertheless (these levels) are useful to the Adepts".  "Ra" has written them off as being of no importance in the present with claims that they are not associated with the "harvest".  That is because "Ra's" definition of "harvest" is false.  "Ra's" facsimile is not the opportunity for Ascension we have been waiting for.  And by claiming that 51% STO will result in a density graduation (as described above) "Ra" has written a prescription that will guarantee that most souls oriented in "Service to Others" (who accept that prescription) will fail to actually Ascend after the conclusion of this physical life.  And certainly not around 2012 either.  Instead, those of us who don't balance 51% of our karma will re- incarnate again on this earth in 3d.  And that could easily include souls who gave 51% of self in service to others.

So the problems i see are with both the "Ra" teachings and the "Ra" semantics.  Each of us already occupies the higher bodies which already occupy the higher densities.  Everytime we have ever died (1000s of times) we have found ourselves conscious in a density we already occupied before death.  Depending on FRV and how much emotional and spiritual force was present at death, these determined which of those subtle densities/bodies we became aware of after death.  We had simply lost the physical body and for a time we became more aware of a more subtle body and it's related plane of action.  We didn't "graduate".  We didn't "ascend".  We were not "harvested" and we experienced no "transcendence" in consciousness. (barring a temporary spiritual revelation for some souls before re- incarnating).  Wherever we already were in consciousness, in each density before death, our level of consciousness did not change after death.  We were simply minus a physical body.  Then, soon after, we re- incarnated again (as all souls with karma must) and we took up our physical lives where we left off.  That's been going on for ages and will continue to, except for one very important difference for some souls.

Is it just a co- incidence that right now when the real time of "harvest" comes (defined in the wisdom teachings of the ages as 'ascending into spiritual union with God, for some souls, and, as the final judgement for others') that "Ra" appears with prescriptions and descriptions that confuse virtually everything?... including the 7 bodies/densities and the chakra system?  False descriptions about the essential nature of God (as being both STS and STO); false prescriptions for "density graduation; false statements about the positive role of UFO occupants in spiritual revelation (current and historical); false statements that all spiritual revelation is "heavily distorted"; semantic confusion in order to taint well established definitions for posterity... etc.  When you are a long term planner (as is "Ra" whoever that may be) the labels are important.  As we know from history, with enough time and malintent, faulty labels representing faulty interpretations/descriptions of spiritual truth, always provide the fodder for the STSelfers to rule the roost.   Is this confusion merely the honest misunderstanding of STO forces or is it a STS agenda?  Considering that no channel is 100% perfect, the answer to my question would depend on how untrue it is regarding the things that matter the most.... not to mention the truth regarding metaphysical concepts that are less crucial at a time of real harvest but nevertheless important to posterity. 

The so called STS "graduation" is no different this time (with one caveat i will show later*) to any death experience ever experienced in all the time we've been incarnating on earth (which is much longer than 75000 years).  I gave a basic explanation of what happens at 'death' earlier.  What will happen to souls who choose STS at this time of "harvest"?  A personal choice in this incarnation for the STS path, if "successfully" carried by 95% STS activity, will not result in a "graduation" at death which would be any different from past deaths.  It could not be characterised as being a "harvest" in any way distinct from previous deaths (unless they go to the final judgement*) and the use of the word "ascension" to describe another physical death would be a terrible misnomer considering what the ascension really is.  At death, the STS 'applicant' will go to judgement or he will re- incarnate on earth.  (just like the STO souls who fail to Ascend.)  Yes, to leave the physical body is 'transcending' the physical state (temporarily) but that state is not a transcendence of consciousness for either STO or STS.  And that result (the transcendence of consciousness) is all that matters in this universe.... which explains the validity of the historical use of the word "transcendence".   

I agree.  But i believe the confusion serves a purpose and not just for the present.  Historians might look back on this period in a similar way as they look upon the time of Jesus 2000 yrs ago.  Amongst all the dead letter religion of the Pharisees and saducees were various cults with various ideas, some of it pretty wild and mixed with the worst of superstitions and distortions. Even though Jesus cut a swathe through all that, the forces of control got hold of the teaching and re- organised it into an unrecognisable mish mash of truth and lies.  The truth got obscured by odd angles and  tangents which served only to obfuscate the essentials of the message.  Those essentials never change but new dimensions are added in a progressive revelation over time.  And the focus shifts at times.  We are in one of those times now that the "harvest" is upon us, so the opportunity is greater for rapid spiritual evolution.  At such times the chemists come out of the woodwork.  They know that we know in our souls that the time has come for something special.  An opportunity we've been waiting for.  What exactly is it and how exactly do we fulfill it?  All have an agenda and all gather for the harvest.... those who would facilitate it and those who would prevent it.  No- one comes unmasked.  We are seeking within and externally for accurate reflections/descriptions of what is happening and accurate prescriptions for how to fulfill it. 

I was thinking about the concept of Justice.  If the destination were the same in the end how could a karma laden being bring his bags into ONENESS with a straight face.

"Ra" must say something to attract us.  There must be truth there or we wouldn't bother at all.  I believe "Ra's" material is opposed to our best interests because it distorts the real opportunity for ascension by mis- representing what it really is; By mis- prescribing how to achieve it; By dismissing the levels of consciousness that can deliver it (it's absurd to dismiss etheric and Buddhic levels as presently irrelevant); and by jumbling so much of the cosmo- science (ie. The densities/bodies  and the chakra system.... ie 2 chakras are described as having 3 petals and most of the others are jumbled and misrepresented;  By claiming that all religious information came from extraterrestrials/UFOs; By claiming that in a few years there will be a "complete transition of this planet into 4th density; By claiming that the ONE God required evil STS and good STO in this universal equation "in order to get force to work".... etc 

This claim for the essentiality of darkness/evil is the foundational concept that the allegorical serpent in the garden used to tempt the allegorical Adam and Eve.  It wasn't true that Adam and Eve had to eat in order to know what God knows.  God the inner Guide warned them not to know/experience relative good and evil.  The serpent said it was essential.  We all found out the hard way that it was not.  Here comes "Ra" to insist again that evil (personified in the STS entity) is essential (not in this case to outright suggest we choose evil.... but to believe in it's "necessity") and then illustrates it's "necessity" using coulombs law, electric polarity, charged particles etc... even hollywood movies... to "prove" that evil (as the so called negative polarity of God) is essential in order to get the flow of energy and activity necessary for life's "essential" dramas.   Why?  Just so we can choose the path back to Oneness..... by ONE OF TWO "legitimate" paths back to a GOD who is ONE in his dualistic nature..... STS and STO.

God does exist in polarity in the active state but in complimentary polarities.  The creative tension of oppositional battle seems real/essential.  But it is the illusion of duality and is not essential for creative expression.  That duality, if engaged in at the level of the lower- ego only happens in a small spectrum at the circumference of reality.  It is smaller than a pimple on the bum of an elephant the size of a galaxy.  It is not at all an essential polarity of the ONEGod.

Montalk, given that the "Ra" material has set the philosophical backdrop for both STO and STS "graduation"/"ascension" through the densities... 3rd to 4th density.  4th to 5th density.... etc  Are we to assume this continues into higher and higher planes?  Until when?  Unity?  Is it possible in the "Ra" scheme for the dedicated STS entity to merge in unity with the ONE?

Wilcocks said this about Ascension.

This is a side-topic but I'm attempting to work with the contradictions mentioned by nexus and connections by montalk and have come up with the following working hypotheses....

I agree with this statement, but upon further examination I think there may be correspondences which haven't been mentioned yet.  When describing the physical and metaphysical bodies Ra used the term "astral" to define the 4th body.  The 7 main bodies are supposed to correspond to the 7 densities. But as montalk noted, 4th density is not the astral plane, or at least the one we know.  So what's the difference?

Ra and other "Confederation" sources mention both inner and outer planes for 3rd density, and I believe this goes for all densities.  The inner planes relate to the time/space experience while the outer relates to space/time.  Think of the inner planes (time/space) as being veiled from regular vision like the back side of the body while the outer planes (space/time) are visible as is the front side.

In terms of chakras, the 4th or heart chakra relates to the higher emotions (compassion, conscious love, etc) and is so referred to as the higher emotional centre by the Cassiopaeans in their breakdown of the 4th Way explanation of energy centres.  From my understanding of human created esoteric systems (like the 4th way, as opposed to inspired or channeled material), the astral body is the emotional body. It is where emotions experienced in the outer planes can manifest as thought-forms in the inner planes which subsequently have an effect again in the outer planes.

So, Ra calls the 4th body the astral body, and the 4th chakra is the heart chakra.  From esoteric literature we know that the astral body and emotions are linked.  So if the 4th body relates to 4th density then what is the astral body that we use in 3rd density?  The astral plane/body that we in 3rd density experience isn't THE astral plane/body. It seems to be more like a stepped-down version of the 4th or astral and is truly a manifestation of the 3rd density inner planes which correspond to the subconscious.

Does this mean that 4th density is the TRUE astral plane?  The astral plane that humans have reported travelling in is one where time and physicality become more variable than the solid physical and linear-time based reality, or 3rd density outer planes, similar to a lucid dream.  The C's described 4th density as being of variable time/physicalilty and our closest experience of such a plane is our astral.  Given the connection between the astral and emotions I think there may be some validity in linking the truel astral plane to 4th density since the one we inhabit and its related vehicle is a 3rd density "version" of such.

The heart of the body (think body of Creator) is the midpoint as it is 4 and the 4 (in Law of 7 terms) by its very nature stands in between the 3 lower and 3 higher numbers below and above it.  The basic emotions that ALL humans know are intangible and the higher emotions of the heart are even more so because they aren't directed by mental or physical catalyst but by the motion of spirit in the being.  This is why Ra describes the 4th density as being a springboard to accessing intelligent infinity (for STO polarized entities) because the "shuttle" of spirit is activated by the right use of the heart. Emotion is the means by which the mind and physical body interact, and as 4 lies between 1 and 7 we could see the higher emotion of the heart as the regulating function between the higher macrocosmic "mind" and body of the Creator.  It binds the lower body (lower torso) with the upper body (head).  The heart itself, as the binder of lower and upper, requires its own bridge to the fully spiritualized densities of 6th and 7th and this bridge is symbolized by the neck/throat (5th density)  If the 3rd density level of astral is a manifestation of the inner planes then perhaps the mid point (or 4) of said inner planes is the astral plane/body available to us "here".

I don't think it will ever be possible to nail this down in our current state especially since the esoteric terminology, as Ra made a point of noting, varies from source to source and we know full well that due to the imperfect nature of 3rd density existence we can only make approximations and linear models to describe things which are naturally "out of this world".  This being a given, if we never take a stab at trying to figure it out then how will we ever reach the point where we truly understand these various interrelated functions of the Creator experiencing its Creation? So I say, stab away!  Just watch the heart....

(I would appreciate having any logical contradictions and/or misunderstandings pointed out so I can rework the hypothesis if necessary.  But be nice about it Thanks!)