• From: Oregen
  • Registered: 2005-07-06

Topic: George Washington

Growing up, I took US history in school 4 different times, because of moving and state requirements. Also, when I read abot NWO globalization it always seems the mindset of the original founders...and still many of the US is a vey negative one towards those ends (even if manipulated in to unknowingly supporting it)..However when I go deeper it turns out he was a Mason and may of even had Rothschild bloodlines...

I guess my question is....was Washington really a bad guy? And what..evidence is there to support..that either way?

I just remember my teacher telling us that our biggest advantage in the Revolutionary War was General Washington.

As The Fallen Fall,
They Shall Rise Again,
As The Phoenix Teaches,
There Shall Be No End.

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  • Registered: 2006-01-01

Re: George Washington

everyone is a sith lord, everyone is a jedi.

the US government is from its foundation a "corporation" founded upon the rock of mysticism and gnostic teachings.

the myths and stories surrounding George Washington could fill up an entire library.

that he was a 33rd degree mason is fact, but only those who choose to buy into the anti-masonic hype of the Alex Jones world and refuse to research unbiased information view masons as "evil".

We just are.  We all have satan and jesus inside us.

  • Registered: 2006-01-01

Re: George Washington

Gotterdammerung wrote:

Growing up, I took US history in school 4 different times, because of moving and state requirements. Also, when I read abot NWO globalization it always seems the mindset of the original founders...and still many of the US is a vey negative one towards those ends (even if manipulated in to unknowingly supporting it)..However when I go deeper it turns out he was a Mason and may of even had Rothschild bloodlines...

I guess my question is....was Washington really a bad guy? And what..evidence is there to support..that either way?

I just remember my teacher telling us that our biggest advantage in the Revolutionary War was General Washington.

A large contributor to the "patriots" from a European-Masonic point of view seems to be the Marquis de Lafayette.  Interesting character.

I find the fact that British textbooks are pretty silent on the "American Revolution" telling support that the "war" was simply a ruse to change the name of the British East India-Virginia Company corporation to the "United States" as operated by Admirality law.  Same system, new name.

For fun, a reading of the Treaty of Paris and its terms sheds a large amount of light upon the "war" and its intentions.  Without a doubt, the level and the square are the foundations of what we know as the United States.  But if a person wishes to build a castle or a house, do they employ a ditch digger or a mason?  All powerful civilizations have had the "cornerstone" of esoteric wisdom.  Eventually, corruption unfortunately seems to wield the most power as opposed to liberty, fraternity, and equality.

  • Registered: 2005-11-03

Re: George Washington

Some very interesting information (especially the last part) transmitted/channeled from the Universal Mind in 1995:

DID ADAM WEISHAUPT REPLACE GEORGE WASHINGTON?
(Getting History Straight: Did the Founder of the Illuminati Take Over
as President?)

QUESTION:

In the book "The Gods of Eden" by Bramley, he talks about how he
researched the book, and his attempts to overturn commonly-accepted
historical facts and finding at least three different sources before he
would begin to accept any of them, but one of the things that is sort of
interesting, he says: "For example, I ran into the George
Washington/Adam Weishaupt theory which speculates that George Washington
had been secretly been removed from the U.S. Presidency and that Adam
Weishaupt of Bavarian Illuminati fame (who actually looked a bit like
George Washington) had taken Washington's place after Weishaupt's
mysterious disappearance from Bavaria." Does Awareness see any truth to
that?


COSMIC AWARENESS:

This Awareness indicates that this appears to have been at some time
after the entity Washington was President, near the end of his term, the
entity Weishaupt became a double for Washington and then Washington
himself was phased out and Weishaupt acted the role in his final months
as President.

This Awareness indicates that there are many who claim the Washington on
the dollar bill is actually a picture of Weishaupt. This Awareness
indicates that it appears that some of the dollar bills were imprinted
with this entity's face; that the entity Weishaupt was much smaller in
stature, that Washington was a much larger man and the images or
drawings of Washington gradually gave way to other drawings of Weishaupt
with such close similarity that many entities did not recognize them as
two different persons.

This Awareness indicates that Weishaupt as being a hero to Masonry and
to the Illuminati and those of the Rothschild faction; this coming from
the 1600s down to the present, with Weishaupt being a hero for them
moreso than even George Washington is with the population of the United
States.



How Communism and Fascism Began With Weishaupt

This Awareness indicates that for those who do not know who Weishaupt
was, this entity was one who funned the Bavarian Illuminati.

He commissioned Carl Ritter and Karl Marx to create two opposing
arguments for society. Karl Marx promoting the Communist manifesto and
programs to lead entities toward a Communist type program; Carl Ritter
promoting a kind of Nazism and Capitalistic extreme right wing point of
view, so that these two created a split in ideologies that later
resulted in conflicts in the 20th Century (actually beginning in earlier
centuries) resulting in the World War I, World War II, and the Cold War,
based on the ideologies created by these two entities who were
commissioned by Adam Weishaupt.

This Awareness indicates that their purpose was to divide the world and
create, from this division, a synthesis which would then be different
from what previously existed as ideals for society such as the ideals of
religion and of the Republic of the United States with its Constitution,
and these things being overshadowed by the conflicts of Communism and
Fascism, so that in the end, a pseudo-democracy would emerge with a kind
of Fascist and Communist merging to take over as the New World Order.

This Awareness indicates that even from centuries back, the term for the
New World Order was placed on your dollar bill and entities involved in
the movement stemming from Weishaupt's efforts continued to work toward
this New World Order. Up to present time, these efforts have come down
in such a way that many entities think it is patriotic to promote such
ideas.

This Awareness indicates that, essentially, Adam Weishaupt was a
powerful man who helped to create ideas that have destroyed much of the
evolution of civilization -- that culminated in the United States
Constitution -- which today is being eroded and replaced by United
Nations and New World Order rules, regulations and contracts.

This Awareness indicates that the rise of Hitler, the rise of the Kaiser
in Germany and World War I, and the rise of Communism would not have
occurred without Adam Weishaupt commissioning these entities to write
their books and without his influence in helping these books become
printed and spread far and wide.

Of course the entity Adam Weishaupt was a close associate of the
Rothschilds. The Rothschilds helped to promote these works also.



FOLLOW-UP QUESTION:

How was Washington persuaded to allow Weishaupt to take his place?


COSMIC AWARENESS:

This entity was not persuaded. This entity was forcibly removed.
Weishaupt took his place in the last months while Washington was under
great stress and controlled by entities in such a way that Weishaupt
took much of the action that was supposed to be implemented by the
President, while the President was elsewhere.

This Awareness indicates it appears there was some type of weakness or
illness involved, and that Weishaupt filled in for him, particularly
when needing to be in a situation such as a meeting or in a public place
to show that the President was fulfilling his duties.



ALEXANDER HAMILTON A ROTHSCHILD AGENT

FOLLOW-UP QUESTION:

Did Weishaupt during that time influence the money system?


COSMIC AWARENESS:

This does not appear to be so. It appears that Alexander Hamilton was
the main influence on the money system. This entity was an agent for
Rothschild and the Rothschild banking system. Alexander Hamilton was of
such incompetence that he was removed from his position before he could
do total damage to the U.S. money system.


FOLLOW-UP STATEMENT:

Well, that's one we never read in the history books in school.


COSMIC AWARENESS:

This Awareness indicates that Weishaupt was not a very visible president
and most entities presumed that when they saw him that it was
Washington. This Awareness indicates that his exposure to the public was
very rare, and only when it was necessary. This Awareness indicates it
is not, or was not, an unusual thing, even in those times, to have
doubles for presidents or kings or people of importance in governments.

This Awareness indicates that often, even in monarchies, the king would
have a double and the double would fill in for the king. It was only
when people knew the king well and were going to meet with the king and
talk with the king that it would be difficult to use a double. In the
case of Weishaupt, he was not suitable to be an exact double of
Washington, except at a distance or with people who did not know
Washington first hand prior to this duplication.



FOLLOW-UP QUESTION:

Does Awareness see Weishaupt creating any major mischief for our country
at the time he was in that office?


COSMIC AWARENESS:

This Awareness indicates that there was an intention of putting the
entity in and of bringing about some changes in the Constitution, in the
government and in the monetary system, but that this kind of major
change did not come about. The entity was not there for long enough, nor
did the entity have sufficient influence over Congress and the judicial
branch to be able to do much. This Awareness indicates that it appears
the entity attempted to create some legal maneuvers relating to the
Constitution and to the relationship between the government and the
states. It does not appear that there was actually any notable change in
the way things occurred, and the entity appears to have only been
involved for several months.

This Awareness indicates that the energy on this is very vague and
unclear because there is little energy anywhere available in regard to
this.

Most people were unaware, and only certain Masons knew of this and they
kept it secret, and there are also certain locks and shields caused by
the secrecy and vagaries caused by the lack of energy surrounding the
situation. This Awareness indicates that the more something is energized
into consciousness, the easier it is to see the details. The more
something is obscured from consciousness, the more difficult it is to
see the details. This Awareness indicates that there has been very
little energizing on this concept or on the entity Weishaupt and his
relationship with Washington. This Awareness indicates therefore, the
energies are not strong or clear in this respect, but maybe after some
energizing and some time for further reading of these energies or
resting of the energies, further clarification will follow.



IS ADAM WEISHAUPT ALIVE TODAY?


FOLLOW-UP QUESTION:

Does Awareness see the entity Weishaupt as being incarnated today in any
particularly significant role in the world scene?


COSMIC AWARENESS:

This Awareness indicates that it appears this entity as one and the same
as George Bush. [George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush's father]

George Bush is, of course, totally unaware of this connection, except
perhaps on a subconscious level.

  • Registered: 2004-04-21

Re: George Washington

Someone with a connection to the elite once told me they keep reincarnating into the bodies of their descendants.

  • From: NOTHING
  • Registered: 2004-09-03

Re: George Washington

That would match with what I hear - that 'they' make their plans spanning many generations (thousands of years) whereas most others only make plans in terms of a single lifetime.

Maybe that is what makes them able to make plans spanning so many generations - reincarnating into the bodies of their descendants.

I am as is Void.

7 Reply by Athenais (edited by Athenais 2007-03-02 19:27:28)

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Re: George Washington

Mindfield wrote:

Some very interesting information (especially the last part) transmitted/channeled from the Universal Mind in 1995:

This Awareness indicates it is not, or was not, an unusual thing, even in those times, to have doubles for presidents or kings or people of importance in governments.

This Awareness indicates that often, even in monarchies, the king would
have a double and the double would fill in for the king. It was only
when people knew the king well and were going to meet with the king and
talk with the king that it would be difficult to use a double.

Great passage...and I happen to believe that doubles are in fact widely used today for major celebrities as well as government officials.

Mindfield - if you are still around - I'd like to read more of these channelings, is there a website that has some transcripts posted?  Thanks smile

  • Registered: 2004-10-26

Re: George Washington

Triune Torch--

No need to defend the Masons.  This one phrase says it all:

"we all have satan and jesus inside us."

How very succinct.  Well said, TT.

Regards,
TP

  • From: Australia
  • Registered: 2007-04-07

Re: George Washington

I don't know much about the subject matter of that chanelling but i do know when "Cosmic Awareness" is becoming evasive and doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

Any intelligence with actual "Cosmic Awareness" and which purports to read the energy imprint of actual historical events is not going to find any energy "very vague and unclear because there is too little energy in regard to this." 

Real Cosmic Awareness could nail a sneeze from a million light years away.

"Cosmic Awareness" went on to say... " there are also certain locks and shields caused by the secrecy and vagaries caused by the lack of energy surrounding the situation" and then goes into several more excuses / justifications for why his/her awareness is not " Cosmic " on this occasion and why a few masons outwitted " Cosmic Awareness" with their secrecy.

During every moment, a stream of energy is expressed through every person in thought , feeling, word and deed.  These vibrations are recorded as a memory imprint in the etheric body of every person.  Simultaneously those vibrations are impressed upon 'AKASHA' which is the etheric 'body' of mother earth.  'Akasha' is the earth's memory field [ the book of life ] which actually records every vibration including rocks, trees, animals all light and sound.... every expression which vibrates.

This explains why sensitive people can 'pick things up' about historical events in a certain place and why people can sometimes recall past lives from their own subconcious memory records.

A spiritual Adept can put a block over memory to seal the record of some secret event from lesser minds.  Also there are many credible accounts where the "negs" demonstrate an ability to do the same when they've abducted or otherwise interfered with someone.

To pretend to us that "Cosmic Awareness" cannot locate quite enough energy at this time is absurd.  True Cosmic Awareness is so called because it is Omnicient [ all knowing ],  Omnipotent [ all powerfull ],  and lastly but by NO MEANS LEAST,  Omnipresent [ everywhere present]

This gives a perspective of perfect self knowlege because true Cosmic Awareness knows itself as everything and everywhere. It can widen or narrow it's focus AT WILL to realise information about any of it's parts.

I might have jumped to conclusions here about the identity of "Cosmic Awareness".
Please tell me it's just a nick name for some guy trying to work it all out.

Then i'll understand.

nexus's Website

10 Reply by mandalis

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Re: George Washington

hello!  this is my first post on the forum, and since i am a history buff of the revolutionary war i will offer these facts ...

before the American revolution, the idea that individual commoners could own property was completely unheard of throughout history ...  previously, the state/crown would hold LEGAL title to the land while the lord would have beneficial use or EQUITABLE title ...  for those of you without any legal background, this is just like any trust, where the trustee is said to be invested with legal title while the beneficiary has only equitable title ...  the American revolution was fought so that anyone freeborn would be able to live with both legal and equitable title to their property and labor ...  by definition, paying royalty on your labor or income is NOT a free country ...  the way it works today is that the county owns the land, and you own the pin number which GRANTS BENEFICIAL USE of the property, while the real owner (the county) collects royalty with what are called property taxes ...  you don't own your car, the 'certificate of title' is NOT LEGAL TITLE but just a certification that legal title exists ... the real title to the car is the (mco) or manufacturers certificate of origin which becomes part of the APPLICATION FOR A TITLE that you gave to your state ...  if you buy the car off the boat brand new you get the mco and have to 'exchange' it for a 'certificate of title' ...  you just get beneficial use (equitable title) of the car because you have the TRUST CERTIFICATE ...  what you really own is the license plate, the secretary of state owns the car as an agent for the state which is owned by the insurance companies that own all the bonds ...  hence you are required to have mandatory insurance ...

the real reason for the revolutionary war was NOT because of 'taxation without representation' and the idea that colonists wanted seats in parliament is incorrect ...  it was because of the inland extension of jurisdiction of the courts of the vice admiralty against the English common law rights of the colonists to elect their own judges and juries that the war was justly provoked ...  here are some of the quotes of the colonists in their own words:

From the Petition from the Massachusetts House of Representatives to the House of Commons; November 3, 1764:

That the extension of the powers of courts of vice-admiralty has, so far as the juris diction of the said courts hath been extended, deprived the colonies of one of the' most valuable of English liberties, trials by juries.

From the Resolves of the Pennsylvania Assembly on the Stamp Act, September 21, 1765:

That the vesting and Authority in the Courts of Admiralty to decide in Suits relating to the Stamp Duty, and other Matters, foreign to their proper Juris diction, is highly dangerous to the liberties of his Majesty's American Subjects, contrary to the Magna Charta, the great Charter and Fountain of English Liberty, and destructive of one of their most darling acknowledged Rights, that of Trials by Juries.

From the Resolutions of the Continental Congress, October 19, 1765:

That the late Act of Parliament, entitled, An Act for granting and applying certain Stamp Duties, and other Duties, in the British colonies and plantations in America, etceteras, by imposing taxes on the inhabitants of these colonies, and the said Act, and several other Acts, by extending the juris diction of the courts of Admiralty beyond its ancient limits, have a manifest tendency to subvert the rights and liberties of the colonists.

From the Declaration and Resolves of the First Continental Congress, October 14, 1774:

That the following acts of parliament are infringements and violations of the rights of the colonists; and that the repeal of them is essentially necessary, in order to restore harmony between Great Britain and the American colonies, videlicet.

The several acts of Geo. III ch. 15, and ch 34-5 Geo III ch 25.-6 Geo. ch. 52.-7 Geo. III ch.41 and ch. 46.-8 Geo III ch. 22. which impose duties for the purpose of raising a revenue in America, extend the power of the admiralty courts beyond their ancient limits, deprive the American subject of trial by jury, authorize the judges certificate to indemnify the prosecutor from damages, that he might otherwise be liable to, requiring oppressive security from a claimant of ships and goods seized, before he shall be allowed to defend his property, and are subversive of American rights.

Also 12 Geo. III ch. 24, intitulted, "An act for the better securing his majesty's dockyards, magazines, ships, ammunition, and stores," which declares a new offence in America, and deprives the American subject of a constitutional trial by jury of the vicinage, by authorizing the trial of any person, charged with the committing any offence described in the said act, out of the realm, to be indicted and tried for the same in any shire or county within the realm.

'From the Journals of the Continental Congress Declaration on Taking Arms; July 6, 1775:

They have undertaken to give and grant our money without our consent, though we have ever exercized an exclusive right to dispose of our own property; statutues have been passed for extending the juris diction of courts of Admiralty and Vice-Admiralty beyond their ancient limits; for depriving us of the accustomed and inestimable privilege of trial by jury, in cases affecting both life and property;

and for altering fundamentally the form of government established by charter, and secured by acts of its own legislature solemnly confirmed by the crown; for exempting the murderers of colonists from legal trial, and in effect, from punishment;

It has also been resolved in parliament, that colonists charged with committing certain offences, shall be transported to England to be tried.

But why should we enumerate our injuries in detail? By one statute it is declared, that parliament can "of right make laws to bind us IN ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" What is to defend us against so enormous, so unlimited a power? Not a single man of those who assume it, is chosen by us; or is subject to our control or influence; but, on the contrary, they are all of them exempt from the operation of such laws, and an American revenue, if not diverted from the ostensible purposes for which it is raised, would actually lighten their own burdens in proportion as they increase ours.

many people today that fancy themselves enlightened are not educated enough to appreciate the sacrifices that the revolutionary Americans made for the cause of freedom in this world ... this has been due to a systematic disinformation campaign that goes back almost to the time the war was fought ...

11 Reply by mandalis (edited by mandalis 2007-06-02 21:52:01)

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Re: George Washington

Tom Paine wrote:

Triune Torch--

No need to defend the Masons.  This one phrase says it all:

"we all have satan and jesus inside us."

How very succinct.  Well said, TT.

Regards,
TP

so you think that one comment from one person speaks for all free masonry?

by the way, Thomas Paine was a master mason like all of the founding fathers and espoused masonic ideals in his writings like The Age of Reason, specifically about deism and his rejection of dogma for faith in divine intelligence ...

it may be easy for you to blame the freemasons like Hitler did or any other scapegoat for the evils in the world, when the truth is that evil does not need an organization of it's own and prefers to corrupt existing organizations ...

12 Reply by mandalis

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Re: George Washington

Athenais wrote:
Mindfield wrote:

Some very interesting information (especially the last part) transmitted/channeled from the Universal Mind in 1995:

This Awareness indicates it is not, or was not, an unusual thing, even in those times, to have doubles for presidents or kings or people of importance in governments.

This Awareness indicates that often, even in monarchies, the king would
have a double and the double would fill in for the king. It was only
when people knew the king well and were going to meet with the king and
talk with the king that it would be difficult to use a double.

Great passage...and I happen to believe that doubles are in fact widely used today for major celebrities as well as government officials.

Mindfield - if you are still around - I'd like to read more of these channelings, is there a website that has some transcripts posted?  Thanks smile

the washington/weishaupt impersonation theory comes from a science fiction book written in the seventies called 'The Illuminatus! Trilogy' by Robert Shea and the late great pope of the Church of the Subgenius Robert Anton Wilson ...

the time George Washington was alive was before the alien intervention that occurred towards the end of the nineteenth century, evidenced by the exponential explosion in technology that had not changed much for centuries  ...

13 Reply by mandalis

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Soloflecks wrote:

Someone with a connection to the elite once told me they keep reincarnating into the bodies of their descendants.

everyone reincarnates as their descendants ...  many eastern religions that believe in reincarnation acknowledge this ...

14 Reply by mandalis

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Re: George Washington

Gotterdammerung wrote:

Growing up, I took US history in school 4 different times, because of moving and state requirements. Also, when I read abot NWO globalization it always seems the mindset of the original founders...and still many of the US is a vey negative one towards those ends (even if manipulated in to unknowingly supporting it)..However when I go deeper it turns out he was a Mason and may of even had Rothschild bloodlines...

I guess my question is....was Washington really a bad guy? And what..evidence is there to support..that either way?

I just remember my teacher telling us that our biggest advantage in the Revolutionary War was General Washington.

globalization is the polar opposite of the ideas expressed during the founding of America that were largely isolationist ...  hence George Washington's warnings about 'entangling alliances' ...

15 Reply by mandalis

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TriuneTorch wrote:

everyone is a sith lord, everyone is a jedi.

the US government is from its foundation a "corporation" founded upon the rock of mysticism and gnostic teachings.

the myths and stories surrounding George Washington could fill up an entire library.

that he was a 33rd degree mason is fact, but only those who choose to buy into the anti-masonic hype of the Alex Jones world and refuse to research unbiased information view masons as "evil".

We just are.  We all have satan and jesus inside us.

here is the real truth about Satan and Jesus ...  ancient religions personified natural events into their fokelore ...  for example, Osiris was the sun at noon, or the god that was MOST HIGH, and then was killed by Satan or SET (sunset) only RISE AGAIN as the SUN/SON child god HORUS to give us ETERNAL LIFE ...  could you live without sunshine?  would the plants grow?  hence the origins of the words SUNSET (sun/set) and HORIZON ...  Christianity is plagiarized from Egyptology, which is nothing more than an explanation of sunrise and sunset ...  there were several ancient religions that featured a 'redeemer figure' symbolizing both sunrise and spring ...  if you literally believe in the jesus/satan MYTH then you are stuck in the dark ages ...

here is a nice website with some more detailed information about how the life of Jesus in the bible corresponds with the precession of the sun through the various constellations ...  http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/easter.htm